So the category is Night Kills and before I ask the question, I want to present to ritoky a few "exhibits" of information that I found in his filter and in the thread.
On January 03 2016 08:10 Damdred wrote: Like break it down for me you have already said you can't have me in lylo because you will lymch me. But you shoot moosey when a few are telling you he could be town men.
So why moosey over me and why not hold the shot to give us an extra lymch you were worried about.
On January 03 2016 08:11 ritoky wrote: because i read you town, and i figured if 1 of you and onegu is mafia or both are mafia, then i am getting roleblocked and i know it. if both of you are town they are gonna let my bullet through so i started working on other people to shoot. and between myself and hf i arrived at moosy and slam. i sent about 9 pms to the mods....i really wish i had shot slam now.
On January 03 2016 08:13 Damdred wrote: But of you think I'm town why not listen to my read because you should know I'm good at reading moosey.
God that read about him not missing the vote as scum blah
On January 03 2016 08:13 Damdred wrote: But of you think I'm town why not listen to my read because you should know I'm good at reading moosey.
God that read about him not missing the vote as scum blah
On January 03 2016 08:15 ritoky wrote: because i was realllllly sure hf was town and i had a lot of faith that he isn't this wrong as town so i trusted his reads the most
Exhibit 4: MoosyDoosy Night 2 I have read in between the time ritoky made his list post and the day post for anything Moosy may have posted to examine a town motivation for shooting Moosy or something that might have changed his mind. The only thing I found was this (spoilered.)
On December 30 2015 12:31 ObviousOne wrote: any filters people want me to pay attention to?
Nooniansong.
Palmar was talked about and scummed by Artanis before NK.
BF was recently talked about if you want to weigh in on that.
Moosy is always fun if you want to say WTF to yourself multiple times.
K I'm out
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On January 02 2016 18:58 MoosyDoosy wrote: Koshi is town
^^ these are notes for myself when I read through my filter btw
On December 30 2015 13:33 ObviousOne wrote: and finally regarding moosy and his also-suidical level of play i say we have someone with a gun shoot him or we just pretend he doesn't exist.
it's dawning on my how many people are giving so few fucks in a non-banlist game, the last time i was in this scenario was a caller game where everyone had guns.
Can you post some reads you feel strongly about? Even if they are TRs. I would like something that isn't maybe this, maybe that.
Why would you prefer an afk be shot instead of someone who you scum read? And why moosy over BF/slam/ness anything in particular distinguish 1 of the unengaged over the other?
slam is prob town koshi is prob town gb feels different from how he was in haunted mansion mini (where he was town) but not necessarily in a scum way, and i like his war with HF which makes me think town ness prob town
moosy SHOULD be considered mafia for his behavior which is why he should be shot. we don't waste a lynch where we get no real information and the game gets more solvable
no idea how to read hf, too much post not gonna bother unless its absolutely necessary
ows filter feels like it's full of air, so much oneliner stuff, striking me as someone who is providing commentary rather than content. need to reread after a few more flips.
honestly it's just about 99.99% sure that i'm town but ok.
Exhibit 5: Night 2 Reads - Holyflare (spoilered)
This is how Holyflare was trying to direct the kill.
On January 02 2016 09:00 ritoky wrote: tbh i am mad....that might be because the ibuprofen didn't kill the headache or cuz of this mess; but stop with the woe is me shit if you're town; i gotta figure out this pile of mess in 23 hours.
They're both probably town there's nothing to work out. Shoot slam please.
On January 02 2016 11:21 Holyflare wrote: Slam/GB/Moosy are all good shot targets
On January 02 2016 11:45 Holyflare wrote: Game is easy:
Sl/trfel/palmar (red checked by koshi or kush depending)/kush (just look at this post below if he's not cop) +1
On December 30 2015 21:16 nooniansoong wrote: I'm taking tt being red pretty hard. Second game in a row i too easily towned him. Bf...I'm conflicted. His logic is so weird. Too weird to be scum maybe?
Here's some self meta for you guys that suspect me. If I were scum there's no way I would have read this whole game.
Basically i like your list
Forgot slam he's mafia.
So here are my questions.
(1) You had a slight town read on Moosy and I posted I think most if not all the content on him between the time of your list post and the day post. What changed regarding Moosy to the point you shot him?
(2) When Damdred asked you why you shot Moosy, you resorted to your reads between yourself (Exhibit 1) and Holyflare (Exhibit 5). Except that you townread MoosyDoosy, even if slightly. Why would you shoot a townread?
(3) When Damdred asked you why you shot Moosy, you said you trusted Holyflare's reads (Exhibits 3 and 5). I tried to cover all pushes and direction by Holyflare from the time Tictock died to the day post. He mentioned Moosy ONCE. He pushed Alakaslam comparatively disporportionately (Exhibit 5). So how did you work out that Holyflare wanted Moosy over Slam dead? This is what you said.
On January 03 2016 08:11 ritoky wrote: because i read you town, and i figured if 1 of you and onegu is mafia or both are mafia, then i am getting roleblocked and i know it. if both of you are town they are gonna let my bullet through so i started working on other people to shoot. and between myself and hf i arrived at moosy and slam. i sent about 9 pms to the mods....i really wish i had shot slam now.
And as stated in #2, you townread Moosy.
(4) MoosyDoosy's content (Exhibit 4) was either reads or trolling, which is reflective of his general play as town after Day 1, it is known he is not a fan of playing day 1. Do you disagree with this.
I look forward to your answers.
You are free to wager any amount of money you please. Any currency is accepted.
For your sheer amusement you can go ahead and play the Jeopardy music:
Anyhow let me talk more about my reasoning. I might be new to forum mafia, but I think I know how a gunsmith should work.
I came into this game after Tictock got lynched, replaced in but only started playing as the shot deliberation was heating up. ritoky being the shooter drew my attention because having observed Gaiden and seeing how gunsmith shots in that game were directed, there's a stark contrast in how those people played gunsmith and how ritoky played his shot.
In Gaiden, LS gunned his target and in that game the armed vig wanted to say "fuck the town I'm doing whatever the fuck I want" and shoot the person of her choice instead of whom town wanted her to shoot. Ultimately she cowered and shot whom the town wanted her to shoot but then she comes out and said she wanted to shoot her choice and she said she would have gladly taken a policy lynch (responsibility) if she was wrong. She was willing to trade herself in if she was wrong and put her money where her mouth was.
The same thing I think happened with geript or whoever got the gun the following night. ICRE.
But here, I'm reading this conversation. I'm reading ritoky's filter left right centre as a whole. The read progression is skewered to begin with, but I really don't understand why anyone would shoot a townread unless the town screamed it.
I don't understand why you'd trust someone's reads and then not put the right proportion (the shot) to whom that person was pushing. I spent a lot of time in Holyflare's filter too given his reputation and that also jumped out at me.
Holyflare pushed Slam, ritoky had slam in there but shoots a townread?
And then says he trust someone else? To me that appears like he's trying to place blame on someone else. Like that's so mafia indicative it's not even funny.
Like my formatting is utter shit because TL is being a pain in the ass right now, so I'll repeat this post again.
Holyflare pushed Slam, ritoky had slam in there but shoots a townread?
And then says he trust someone else? To me that appears like he's trying to place blame on someone else. Like that's so mafia indicative it's not even funny.
This is just the opposite of what happened with the VTs who got armed in Gaiden.
In general placing blame and misallocated blame for that matter is mafia indicative.
I really want ritoky to answer my questions, I have no idea with the time difference but I kinda want people to discuss this.
I will be staying up for end of cycle. But I have to afk for now.
The other thing I really hate about ritoky is that is filter is a shittonne of trolling. I mean, a shittonne. Like stratospheric level.
I realise it's tone, but there's been just stupid levels of it days 1 and day 3 that at best hampers town trying to read the thread and at worst disrupts people trying to play the game.
Alright, fair enough on the tone argument but I still want to hear what he says because the shit he said he based his decision on doesn't line up. At all.
On January 08 2016 02:50 nooniansoong wrote: I like the csse but I think ritoky is town. When someone makes a list like that it's not set in stone. Moosey wasn't a hard townread. He wanted to shoot an unreadable.
But here's the catch - why did he allude to both HIS reads and Holyflare's reads as the basis
AND
Why did he say I put all my trust in Holyflare's reads (paraphrasing).
Instead -
Why didn't he just come out and say "I wanted to say fuck it and shoot an unreadable"
Do you see what I am getting at?
Do you see why I'm contrasting this to what I saw in Gaiden?
On January 08 2016 02:50 nooniansoong wrote: I like the csse but I think ritoky is town. When someone makes a list like that it's not set in stone. Moosey wasn't a hard townread. He wanted to shoot an unreadable.
On January 08 2016 03:00 NocturneMage wrote: But here's the catch - why did he allude to both HIS reads and Holyflare's reads as the basis
AND
Why did he say I put all my trust in Holyflare's reads (paraphrasing).
Instead -
Why didn't he just come out and say "I wanted to say fuck it and shoot an unreadable"
Do you see what I am getting at?
Do you see why I'm contrasting this to what I saw in Gaiden?
Also Noon, I have one more thing....you are saying that's a list not set in stone.
Well here's the thing. I presented Moosy's content between that list AND the day post.
Nothing jumps out to me in there one way or another.
On January 08 2016 05:20 ritoky wrote: everything i typed during the night phase i had the gun was wifom. everything. your entire case is from that night phase. ritoky, why was it wifom, that makes no sense?
On January 03 2016 11:08 ritoky wrote: point a: the plan is to spend a lot of the night trying to sound like i am shooting damdred or onegu so that if either is mafia i am likely roleblocked which confirms to me there is at least 1 between them. if i am not roleblocked it reveals mafia didn't care and both are likely town. it yielded tons of information giving me basically 2 confirmed towns so i think the play was overall fine, especially since the 2 confirmed towns are ML candidates for doing some dumb fake claim stuff.
point b: damdred: "you never listen to me even though you can read me well" ritoky: "yup"
point c: i snap claimed as vigi (within the first day/night cycle) too. i claim with a gun, i think it is superior in 90% of cases.
point d: yes i am frustrated that the jk is not protecting obvious town. aren't you? oh wait, you didn't find those people obvious town. my bad, how's the holyflare push going?
anyways i should have shot slam, and that's on me.
it's not like i clearly stated multiple times that i was wifoming all night to try and place mafia under the illusion i was shooting between gu and damdred. you're entitled to your opinion though. it's just wrong.
why did i shoot moosy over slam? hf made a list of 3 that i liked and you quoted so clearly you saw it, i chose from the list. if slam flips mafia after gb i look like shit and an idiot and that's on me. but tbh i don't tend to look like shit and an idiot as mafia i would rather shoot my partner and look amazing like i did to palmar once before.
this all stems from omgus since i poe'd you, which makes me laugh and probably just makes you mafia.
That's selective reasoning at best.
(1) First my case was not just the night, it was also based on your response to Damdred at the daypost. Your response to him at daybreak was to shift responsibility to Holyflare by saying you trusted his reads after considering your own. Since you don't like my formatting in the actual case, let's bring the operative quotes to the front.
On January 03 2016 08:11 ritoky wrote: because i read you town, and i figured if 1 of you and onegu is mafia or both are mafia, then i am getting roleblocked and i know it. if both of you are town they are gonna let my bullet through so i started working on other people to shoot. and between myself and hf i arrived at moosy and slam. i sent about 9 pms to the mods....i really wish i had shot slam now.
Damdred wanted you to listen to him but it's not you disregarding him that makes you mafia. That part doesn't even address my question.
What makes you mafia is that you disregarded your own reads and stated you trusted Holyflare AFTER saying between myself and HF I arrived at Moosy and Slam. THIS WAS DONE AFTER THE DAYPOST so using WIFOM to defend yourself/discussing Onegu and Damdred is actually irrelevant.
Relevant quote.
On January 03 2016 08:15 ritoky wrote: because i was realllllly sure hf was town and i had a lot of faith that he isn't this wrong as town so i trusted his reads the most
(2) People can wifom the shot as either alignment. I covered that in the previous point so moving on, sorry, that does not make you any more town.
(3) You are stating that you chose from a list of 3 Holyflare put out.
On January 08 2016 05:20 ritoky wrote: why did i shoot moosy over slam? hf made a list of 3 that i liked and you quoted so clearly you saw it, i chose from the list. if slam flips mafia after gb i look like shit and an idiot and that's on me. but tbh i don't tend to look like shit and an idiot as mafia i would rather shoot my partner and look amazing like i did to palmar once before.
On January 02 2016 09:00 ritoky wrote: tbh i am mad....that might be because the ibuprofen didn't kill the headache or cuz of this mess; but stop with the woe is me shit if you're town; i gotta figure out this pile of mess in 23 hours.
They're both probably town there's nothing to work out. Shoot slam please.
On January 02 2016 11:21 Holyflare wrote: Slam/GB/Moosy are all good shot targets
On January 02 2016 11:45 Holyflare wrote: Game is easy:
Sl/trfel/palmar (red checked by koshi or kush depending)/kush (just look at this post below if he's not cop) +1
On December 30 2015 21:16 nooniansoong wrote: I'm taking tt being red pretty hard. Second game in a row i too easily towned him. Bf...I'm conflicted. His logic is so weird. Too weird to be scum maybe?
Here's some self meta for you guys that suspect me. If I were scum there's no way I would have read this whole game.
Basically i like your list
Forgot slam he's mafia.
Holyflare DID NOT JUST make a list of 3 and this is where you are distorting the facts. He STATED MULTIPLE TIMES OVER THE COURSE OF THE NIGHT what his preferences were.
Clearly you chose to make the shortlist your focus, and that's called selective reasoning. If you trusted his reads so much why weren't you paying attention to all the information he provided?
this all stems from omgus since i poe'd you, which makes me laugh and probably just makes you mafia.
Finally OMGUS comes from both alignments and characterising it as exclusively mafia actually makes you mafia.
On January 08 2016 05:29 The Shining wrote: The vote count looks bad btw. Votes just piled on Slam. Obviously I'll look like shit if he flips scum for saying this but is this really a bus? I guess I just feel weird because all my scum reads are voting Slam and 3 of my town reads aren't voting yet.
I would like to start a train on Ritoky or Palmar, the question is, who else is willing to think things through and also book their ticket?
On January 08 2016 02:50 nooniansoong wrote: I like the csse but I think ritoky is town. When someone makes a list like that it's not set in stone. Moosey wasn't a hard townread. He wanted to shoot an unreadable.
But here's the catch - why did he allude to both HIS reads and Holyflare's reads as the basis
AND
Why did he say I put all my trust in Holyflare's reads (paraphrasing).
Instead -
Why didn't he just come out and say "I wanted to say fuck it and shoot an unreadable"
Do you see what I am getting at?
Do you see why I'm contrasting this to what I saw in Gaiden?
i almost always shoot unreadables or afks. go look at me as vigi or any game i am given a gun, i shoot inactives as i believe it is of the most benefit to town in all cases.
Then why didn't you give Damdred a straight forward answer AT DAYBREAK and defer to the reads you saw in Holyflare????
On January 08 2016 05:29 The Shining wrote: The vote count looks bad btw. Votes just piled on Slam. Obviously I'll look like shit if he flips scum for saying this but is this really a bus? I guess I just feel weird because all my scum reads are voting Slam and 3 of my town reads aren't voting yet.
It doesn't matter if slam isn't doing anything.
I mean, I guess. It does bring a little credit to the theory of him being a scum PR and that's why scum would bus GB over him but Idk. Did we really have two scum up for lynxh last phase? If he was a scum pr, why would he not be trying in any capacity whatsoever?
Meh I guess it could point in the direction of scum and he just doesn't wanna give anything away.
I have a mechanical explanation for this.
Because it depends on the PR. Look at the blues we have then (cop, JK), both investigative roles. Guess what was lynched then? The vanilla scum. What was disposable at the time? Vanilla and vig.
Now? Cop is gone. What is expendable now? GF, Vig.
I would be willing to put money down that Alakaslam is either the GF or the Vig, and not the two remaining roles needed for them.
This is just classic mafia strategy, take out the investigatives before they are found out.
On January 08 2016 05:29 The Shining wrote: The vote count looks bad btw. Votes just piled on Slam. Obviously I'll look like shit if he flips scum for saying this but is this really a bus? I guess I just feel weird because all my scum reads are voting Slam and 3 of my town reads aren't voting yet.
I would like to start a train on Ritoky or Palmar, the question is, who else is willing to think things through and also book their ticket?
Hmm.
Can you answer my question about the similarities between here and Dark Tournament?
It doesn't seem like many ppl are here. Palm is afking the lynch because he has a conference today apparently. Why is he scum?
Your points aren't bad against ritoky either but deciding if they actually make him scum is difficult. I've been asking myself why he wasn't shot if he had a gun, tbh. No one was really scumming him until you came in, iirc.
Well like I said, I picked up on it from his tone, the way he changes his reads mainly and there was a parallel between that and fullmetal so I just mainly read his filter several times until I tripped up on the reads list and saw his reads. I was told his trolling was NAI, whatever. To be honest, I think this being my first large game I've spent 90% of my time on this game reading the damn material and 10% actually posting. It's annoying but it is what it is. IDK.
In his last response to me, summarising in a few sentences it boils down to him not being straightforward with Damdred or now, myself.
He's using WIFOM to defend himself when (part of) my argument is that he deferred to the Holyflare reads at daybreak, and he's saying that my case is based on at night, yeah part of that is, but the critical parts are during the day so that's how he's twisting things right now.
Why didn't he just tell Damdred then "in spite of my reads and holyflare reads, I shot an unreadable."
That is a straightforward statement taking responsibility for what you did, that is pretty town indicative.
Why did he say at that point that he relied on his reads and Holyflare reads and then deferred to Holyflare based on one post when in reality Holyflare made continuous posts in the night.
Why did it have to take me casing him to answer that now.
In that instance he shifted the responsibility and conveniently, HF had been NKed. That is mafia indicative.
there is a difference.
I think another fact you have to consider is looking at what Slam is flipping and aligning that (and the GB flip) to a lesser extent with what mafia need to do. But I argued before that when a mafia flip saves another player he's likely mafia, and you had that on top of how Slam had been playing long before that cycle.
On January 08 2016 05:29 The Shining wrote: The vote count looks bad btw. Votes just piled on Slam. Obviously I'll look like shit if he flips scum for saying this but is this really a bus? I guess I just feel weird because all my scum reads are voting Slam and 3 of my town reads aren't voting yet.
It doesn't matter if slam isn't doing anything.
I mean, I guess. It does bring a little credit to the theory of him being a scum PR and that's why scum would bus GB over him but Idk. Did we really have two scum up for lynxh last phase? If he was a scum pr, why would he not be trying in any capacity whatsoever?
Meh I guess it could point in the direction of scum and he just doesn't wanna give anything away.
I have a mechanical explanation for this.
Because it depends on the PR. Look at the blues we have then (cop, JK), both investigative roles. Guess what was lynched then? The vanilla scum. What was disposable at the time? Vanilla and vig.
Now? Cop is gone. What is expendable now? GF, Vig.
I would be willing to put money down that Alakaslam is either the GF or the Vig, and not the two remaining roles needed for them.
This is just classic mafia strategy, take out the investigatives before they are found out.
If I'm not mistaken, the vig shot on n1 & n2, which was why there were more NKs. Why would they need the vig alive for n3? Only 2 ppl were nkd yesterday.
And although this does make sense, even though the cop is gone, why would scum not want the GF to live? Once the gf flips, the probable green checks go from 75% to confirmed town.
(btw not ignoring your Palmar/Dark Tournament questions)
what I am trying to say here is that they wouldn't need the vig alive. that they are protecting the roles they need going forward. and that Slam (gameplay aside) is not someone they need going forward, ergo, he's the gf or vig.
On January 08 2016 05:20 ritoky wrote: everything i typed during the night phase i had the gun was wifom. everything. your entire case is from that night phase. ritoky, why was it wifom, that makes no sense?
On January 03 2016 11:08 ritoky wrote: point a: the plan is to spend a lot of the night trying to sound like i am shooting damdred or onegu so that if either is mafia i am likely roleblocked which confirms to me there is at least 1 between them. if i am not roleblocked it reveals mafia didn't care and both are likely town. it yielded tons of information giving me basically 2 confirmed towns so i think the play was overall fine, especially since the 2 confirmed towns are ML candidates for doing some dumb fake claim stuff.
point b: damdred: "you never listen to me even though you can read me well" ritoky: "yup"
point c: i snap claimed as vigi (within the first day/night cycle) too. i claim with a gun, i think it is superior in 90% of cases.
point d: yes i am frustrated that the jk is not protecting obvious town. aren't you? oh wait, you didn't find those people obvious town. my bad, how's the holyflare push going?
anyways i should have shot slam, and that's on me.
it's not like i clearly stated multiple times that i was wifoming all night to try and place mafia under the illusion i was shooting between gu and damdred. you're entitled to your opinion though. it's just wrong.
why did i shoot moosy over slam? hf made a list of 3 that i liked and you quoted so clearly you saw it, i chose from the list. if slam flips mafia after gb i look like shit and an idiot and that's on me. but tbh i don't tend to look like shit and an idiot as mafia i would rather shoot my partner and look amazing like i did to palmar once before.
this all stems from omgus since i poe'd you, which makes me laugh and probably just makes you mafia.
That's selective reasoning at best.
(1) First my case was not just the night, it was also based on your response to Damdred at the daypost. Your response to him at daybreak was to shift responsibility to Holyflare by saying you trusted his reads after considering your own. Since you don't like my formatting in the actual case, let's bring the operative quotes to the front.
On January 03 2016 08:11 ritoky wrote: because i read you town, and i figured if 1 of you and onegu is mafia or both are mafia, then i am getting roleblocked and i know it. if both of you are town they are gonna let my bullet through so i started working on other people to shoot. and between myself and hf i arrived at moosy and slam. i sent about 9 pms to the mods....i really wish i had shot slam now.
Damdred wanted you to listen to him but it's not you disregarding him that makes you mafia. That part doesn't even address my question.
What makes you mafia is that you disregarded your own reads and stated you trusted Holyflare AFTER saying between myself and HF I arrived at Moosy and Slam. THIS WAS DONE AFTER THE DAYPOST so using WIFOM to defend yourself/discussing Onegu and Damdred is actually irrelevant.
Relevant quote.
On January 03 2016 08:15 ritoky wrote: because i was realllllly sure hf was town and i had a lot of faith that he isn't this wrong as town so i trusted his reads the most
(2) People can wifom the shot as either alignment. I covered that in the previous point so moving on, sorry, that does not make you any more town.
(3) You are stating that you chose from a list of 3 Holyflare put out.
On January 08 2016 05:20 ritoky wrote: why did i shoot moosy over slam? hf made a list of 3 that i liked and you quoted so clearly you saw it, i chose from the list. if slam flips mafia after gb i look like shit and an idiot and that's on me. but tbh i don't tend to look like shit and an idiot as mafia i would rather shoot my partner and look amazing like i did to palmar once before.
Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.
On January 02 2016 08:09 Holyflare wrote:
On January 02 2016 08:09 GlowingBear wrote: Onegu should be shot tonight. Then we decide about Damdred.
No you shoot damdred and lynch onegu.
On January 02 2016 09:01 Holyflare wrote:
On January 02 2016 09:00 ritoky wrote: tbh i am mad....that might be because the ibuprofen didn't kill the headache or cuz of this mess; but stop with the woe is me shit if you're town; i gotta figure out this pile of mess in 23 hours.
They're both probably town there's nothing to work out. Shoot slam please.
On January 02 2016 11:21 Holyflare wrote: Slam/GB/Moosy are all good shot targets
On January 02 2016 11:47 Holyflare wrote:
On January 02 2016 11:45 Holyflare wrote: Game is easy:
Sl/trfel/palmar (red checked by koshi or kush depending)/kush (just look at this post below if he's not cop) +1
On December 30 2015 21:16 nooniansoong wrote: I'm taking tt being red pretty hard. Second game in a row i too easily towned him. Bf...I'm conflicted. His logic is so weird. Too weird to be scum maybe?
Here's some self meta for you guys that suspect me. If I were scum there's no way I would have read this whole game.
Basically i like your list
Forgot slam he's mafia.
Holyflare DID NOT JUST make a list of 3 and this is where you are distorting the facts. He STATED MULTIPLE TIMES OVER THE COURSE OF THE NIGHT what his preferences were.
Clearly you chose to make the shortlist your focus, and that's called selective reasoning. If you trusted his reads so much why weren't you paying attention to all the information he provided?
this all stems from omgus since i poe'd you, which makes me laugh and probably just makes you mafia.
Finally OMGUS comes from both alignments and characterising it as exclusively mafia actually makes you mafia.
you read it, but you didn't comprehend it i think you interpreted it as "i wifomed the shot" not "i wifomed all my posts to make it appear i was shooting where i wasn't". you should read it again or maybe you're just constructing a narrative because you're in a shit spot, i don't really know. so let's try and rephrase this for you but you're gonna find largely the same answer.
that read post you're on about? that's not my reads that night.it's a fabircation that's wifom outside of the top block made purely to indicate at the bottom that i think there's a mafia between gu and damdred to imply i am shooting there. again a lot of this is already in my filter, you just selectively dodged around it, none of this is new information.
in regards to hf and my reads, hf gave a list of 3 that i took to heart. you can say he exclaimed a preference all you want, hf told me to shoot quite a few people since i announced i had a gun (i can cherrypick other posts of him telling me to shoot other people as well including your slot). i took that list and narrowed it to 2, because gb was posting shit and i figured i can actually get a read on that. between slam and moosy there's not really any separation tbh. slam had done 1 of 3 town tells i have on him but usually does all 3 as town, i told moosy i was going to shoot him and he had a shit reaction. i chose the guy with the shit reaction and was wrong.
the omgus calling me mafia probably just makes you mafia because i have a lot of town reads and you're not one of them. you're also cherrypicking pretty heavily to form a narrative that has already been talked about and contort it into a way that makes me look bad.
You're the one in the hot seat, not me. You need to survive, not me. I'll gladly sacrifice myself to the gods
And like I said before WIFOM is completely irrelevant to my argument so you bringing it up again isn't helping you (resolve this) in the least.
And I'm not cherrypicking. I literally combed his filter, and took every post he had. You are the one that did the cherry picking to fit your response as to why you shot Moosy
Additionally Holyflare told you to shoot Alakaslam. Twice.
Final statement of your response.....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
EPT
