On January 03 2016 11:38 Trfel wrote:
Why did you not consider Palmar, ObiWanShinobi, and nooniansoong?
Why did you not consider Palmar, ObiWanShinobi, and nooniansoong?
because he's not scumreading me?
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nooniansoong
1538 Posts
On January 03 2016 11:38 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + Why did you not consider Palmar, ObiWanShinobi, and nooniansoong?On January 03 2016 08:11 ritoky wrote: because i read you town, and i figured if 1 of you and onegu is mafia or both are mafia, then i am getting roleblocked and i know it. if both of you are town they are gonna let my bullet through so i started working on other people to shoot. and between myself and hf i arrived at moosy and slam. i sent about 9 pms to the mods....i really wish i had shot slam now. because he's not scumreading me? | ||
Damdred
15669 Posts
But I would like everyone to go look at nm at how he replaced into a game and went scum hunting like a beast and does the exact opposite here. Look at any of his town games vs scum games you will find a remarkable difference in activity | ||
ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On January 03 2016 11:38 Trfel wrote: Show nested quote + Why did you not consider Palmar, ObiWanShinobi, and nooniansoong?On January 03 2016 08:11 ritoky wrote: because i read you town, and i figured if 1 of you and onegu is mafia or both are mafia, then i am getting roleblocked and i know it. if both of you are town they are gonna let my bullet through so i started working on other people to shoot. and between myself and hf i arrived at moosy and slam. i sent about 9 pms to the mods....i really wish i had shot slam now. because obi, palmar, and kush will make posts from which i can actually get informed reads. slam and moosy will not. | ||
ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On January 03 2016 11:37 nooniansoong wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2016 11:34 ExO_ wrote: :/ I dont like following kush into a slam lynch because you think he's town or you think im scum? because I think you're scum, not necessarily because I think slam is town. I'm not sure what I think of slam atm | ||
ritoky
United States6851 Posts
1 - slam has almost perpetually posted from behind the thread. he is always "catching up" and never actually interacting with the thread and immediately responding to people. very rarely does he react to things and push town in a positive direction. 2 - slam had literal 0 major reaction to claim shitfest 2015. town slam is all up in this, whether it is laughter, anger, something. he has a strong reaction which may include a 2nd nuking of the great wifom bunker by the chupazitron 30000. 3 - out of place anger 4 - not enough non-sequitur: "this guy is mafia" reads 5 - he has not done my #1 town tell on him. palmar is probably still mafia cuz rayn said so too, but some of his posts make me weaken on that. | ||
ritoky
United States6851 Posts
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Damdred
15669 Posts
I do think slam is scum but nm is as well more than likely | ||
ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On January 03 2016 12:09 Damdred wrote: Rit please look at least what I'm pointing out instead of dismissing it. I do think slam is scum but nm is as well more than likely the NM stuff? i can in an hour | ||
ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
I'll go take a look at it and point out why. | ||
ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
I'll just continue my Trfel campaign and maybe I'll die before I have to think about Palmar some more. | ||
Trfel
7015 Posts
He's not doing anything, he's just existing. Seriously, he's not invested in the game at all, just going with the flow. It's the same thing as ObiWanShinobi and Palmar. If people are pushing town all the time (Vivax, Tictock, Rels, Tictock again), why does mafia need to do anything? Mafia will sit back and go with it, let town argue about it. That's what nooniansoong, ObiWanShinobi, and Palmar have been doing this entire time. I definitely see Damdred's point about NocturneMage, however I felt that N e s s's play seemed like town, and I'm not yet comfortable reading NocturneMage from these posts. The contrast is also a bit weaker because this is a much, much larger game than the last one NocturneMage replaced into. I'll take another look at Alakaslam, but my impressions from his filter weren't aligned with most of the things that ritoky was saying. On January 03 2016 00:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote: So then the question becomes, did ObiWanShinobi have actual scumreads at the time he said that he would be willing to lynch boxerfred.Show nested quote + On January 02 2016 19:23 Trfel wrote:ObiWanShinobi + Show Spoiler + He's just.... not doing anything at all. He's not making any useful thoughts, he's not being commanding, he's just following the lead that everyone else is providing. He's just doing whatever, not trying to solve the game. One example of this is ObiWanShinobi's read on boxerfred. He initially said that people scumreading boxerfred for doing nothing is bad, because boxerfred did nothing and got mislynched for it as town. However, when boxerfred continued to be useless, Holyflare said that he wanted to lynch boxerfred on Day 3, and ObiWanShinobi said that he agreed without mentioning boxerfred in between. I didn't know I needed reasons to kill someone useless - I can concede that someone is probably town and useless but that doesn't make being useless a good thing. If he did, then this is very suspicious. If not, then I'm less sure. I'll try and check that tonight as well. | ||
The Shining
United States2406 Posts
On January 03 2016 11:47 Damdred wrote: Kush is more than likely town. But I would like everyone to go look at nm at how he replaced into a game and went scum hunting like a beast and does the exact opposite here. Look at any of his town games vs scum games you will find a remarkable difference in activity It's a pretty good point but at the same time, we're on page 172. But him placing his vote on Onegu does imply he's at least caught up enough to know about the red check and blue TT being lynched over it. And Ness was one of my strongest scumreads. NM hasn't done anything to dissuade this. I could vote NM. | ||
Trfel
7015 Posts
If my reads are horrible and stupid, or don't make people scum, please tell me. And if it's just that they don't make people scum, if you could explain why, that would be great? | ||
The Shining
United States2406 Posts
On January 03 2016 12:18 Trfel wrote: I don't understand why people don't want to lynch nooniansoong. He's not doing anything, he's just existing. Seriously, he's not invested in the game at all, just going with the flow. It's the same thing as ObiWanShinobi and Palmar. If people are pushing town all the time (Vivax, Tictock, Rels, Tictock again), why does mafia need to do anything? Mafia will sit back and go with it, let town argue about it. That's what nooniansoong, ObiWanShinobi, and Palmar have been doing this entire time. I definitely see Damdred's point about NocturneMage, however I felt that N e s s's play seemed like town, and I'm not yet comfortable reading NocturneMage from these posts. The contrast is also a bit weaker because this is a much, much larger game than the last one NocturneMage replaced into. I'll take another look at Alakaslam, but my impressions from his filter weren't aligned with most of the things that ritoky was saying. Show nested quote + So then the question becomes, did ObiWanShinobi have actual scumreads at the time he said that he would be willing to lynch boxerfred.On January 03 2016 00:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote: On January 02 2016 19:23 Trfel wrote:ObiWanShinobi + Show Spoiler + He's just.... not doing anything at all. He's not making any useful thoughts, he's not being commanding, he's just following the lead that everyone else is providing. He's just doing whatever, not trying to solve the game. One example of this is ObiWanShinobi's read on boxerfred. He initially said that people scumreading boxerfred for doing nothing is bad, because boxerfred did nothing and got mislynched for it as town. However, when boxerfred continued to be useless, Holyflare said that he wanted to lynch boxerfred on Day 3, and ObiWanShinobi said that he agreed without mentioning boxerfred in between. I didn't know I needed reasons to kill someone useless - I can concede that someone is probably town and useless but that doesn't make being useless a good thing. If he did, then this is very suspicious. If not, then I'm less sure. I'll try and check that tonight as well. Why was Ness town to you? | ||
Trfel
7015 Posts
On January 03 2016 12:20 The Shining wrote: To be honest, I don't remember so well. Mostly, he seemed very determined and had a high post count. He had mafia experience on other sites, so maybe he would play like that as mafia, but it's not the simple explanation. He kept coming back and arguing about things, it seemed like he genuinely cared about the game, and his filter was one of the longest while he was playing. His frustration with TL Mafia was clearly true as well, even if not necessarily alignment indicative.Show nested quote + On January 03 2016 12:18 Trfel wrote: I don't understand why people don't want to lynch nooniansoong. He's not doing anything, he's just existing. Seriously, he's not invested in the game at all, just going with the flow. It's the same thing as ObiWanShinobi and Palmar. If people are pushing town all the time (Vivax, Tictock, Rels, Tictock again), why does mafia need to do anything? Mafia will sit back and go with it, let town argue about it. That's what nooniansoong, ObiWanShinobi, and Palmar have been doing this entire time. I definitely see Damdred's point about NocturneMage, however I felt that N e s s's play seemed like town, and I'm not yet comfortable reading NocturneMage from these posts. The contrast is also a bit weaker because this is a much, much larger game than the last one NocturneMage replaced into. I'll take another look at Alakaslam, but my impressions from his filter weren't aligned with most of the things that ritoky was saying. On January 03 2016 00:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote: So then the question becomes, did ObiWanShinobi have actual scumreads at the time he said that he would be willing to lynch boxerfred.On January 02 2016 19:23 Trfel wrote:ObiWanShinobi + Show Spoiler + He's just.... not doing anything at all. He's not making any useful thoughts, he's not being commanding, he's just following the lead that everyone else is providing. He's just doing whatever, not trying to solve the game. One example of this is ObiWanShinobi's read on boxerfred. He initially said that people scumreading boxerfred for doing nothing is bad, because boxerfred did nothing and got mislynched for it as town. However, when boxerfred continued to be useless, Holyflare said that he wanted to lynch boxerfred on Day 3, and ObiWanShinobi said that he agreed without mentioning boxerfred in between. I didn't know I needed reasons to kill someone useless - I can concede that someone is probably town and useless but that doesn't make being useless a good thing. If he did, then this is very suspicious. If not, then I'm less sure. I'll try and check that tonight as well. Why was Ness town to you? I mean, yeah, he could be mafia, but I feel like town is a much simpler explanation. And the simple explanation is generally always correct. I'll take another look if you'd like, you seem fairly convinced about it. But later, I need to head out now. | ||
ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
On January 03 2016 12:18 Trfel wrote: I don't understand why people don't want to lynch nooniansoong. He's not doing anything, he's just existing. Seriously, he's not invested in the game at all, just going with the flow. It's the same thing as ObiWanShinobi and Palmar. If people are pushing town all the time (Vivax, Tictock, Rels, Tictock again), why does mafia need to do anything? Mafia will sit back and go with it, let town argue about it. That's what nooniansoong, ObiWanShinobi, and Palmar have been doing this entire time. I definitely see Damdred's point about NocturneMage, however I felt that N e s s's play seemed like town, and I'm not yet comfortable reading NocturneMage from these posts. The contrast is also a bit weaker because this is a much, much larger game than the last one NocturneMage replaced into. I'll take another look at Alakaslam, but my impressions from his filter weren't aligned with most of the things that ritoky was saying. Show nested quote + So then the question becomes, did ObiWanShinobi have actual scumreads at the time he said that he would be willing to lynch boxerfred.On January 03 2016 00:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote: On January 02 2016 19:23 Trfel wrote:ObiWanShinobi + Show Spoiler + He's just.... not doing anything at all. He's not making any useful thoughts, he's not being commanding, he's just following the lead that everyone else is providing. He's just doing whatever, not trying to solve the game. One example of this is ObiWanShinobi's read on boxerfred. He initially said that people scumreading boxerfred for doing nothing is bad, because boxerfred did nothing and got mislynched for it as town. However, when boxerfred continued to be useless, Holyflare said that he wanted to lynch boxerfred on Day 3, and ObiWanShinobi said that he agreed without mentioning boxerfred in between. I didn't know I needed reasons to kill someone useless - I can concede that someone is probably town and useless but that doesn't make being useless a good thing. If he did, then this is very suspicious. If not, then I'm less sure. I'll try and check that tonight as well. Stuff it scumsack. | ||
ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
I was voting Tt pretty much the entire time so it's untrue. Even if it wasn't, bf still would have been a fantastic lynch for being useless. | ||
The Shining
United States2406 Posts
On January 03 2016 12:20 Trfel wrote: The Shining, please be town, and please help me. If my reads are horrible and stupid, or don't make people scum, please tell me. And if it's just that they don't make people scum, if you could explain why, that would be great? How can I help you when you respond to me once and then leave? =/ I also just remembered a decent amount of my TR on Trfel was based on the red check being real and Trfel hard aligning with TT, which wouldn't happen with both being scum. But TT was blue so that goes out of the window. Obi, what makes Trfel scum? When can I expect your case? | ||
Trfel
7015 Posts
On January 03 2016 12:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Actually I'm going to go out and respond to it because why not. I was voting Tt pretty much the entire time so it's untrue. Even if it wasn't, bf still would have been a fantastic lynch for being useless. That is nothing like what I said at all. Nice reading comprehension. Sorry TS, busy. | ||
ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
On January 03 2016 12:31 The Shining wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2016 12:20 Trfel wrote: The Shining, please be town, and please help me. If my reads are horrible and stupid, or don't make people scum, please tell me. And if it's just that they don't make people scum, if you could explain why, that would be great? How can I help you when you respond to me once and then leave? =/ I also just remembered a decent amount of my TR on Trfel was based on the red check being real and Trfel hard aligning with TT, which wouldn't happen with both being scum. But TT was blue so that goes out of the window. Obi, what makes Trfel scum? When can I expect your case? You can expect it tomorrow. I already explained why I thought he was scum (he's relatively apathetic). Got called in late so now I'm stuck here fiddling with my phone and I can't post much of worth when I need quotes and such until tomorrow, so. | ||
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