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nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 03 2016 02:40 GMT
#3421
On January 03 2016 11:38 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2016 08:11 ritoky wrote:
because i read you town, and i figured if 1 of you and onegu is mafia or both are mafia, then i am getting roleblocked and i know it. if both of you are town they are gonna let my bullet through so i started working on other people to shoot. and between myself and hf i arrived at moosy and slam. i sent about 9 pms to the mods....i really wish i had shot slam now.
Why did you not consider Palmar, ObiWanShinobi, and nooniansoong?

because he's not scumreading me?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 03 2016 02:47 GMT
#3422
Kush is more than likely town.

But I would like everyone to go look at nm at how he replaced into a game and went scum hunting like a beast and does the exact opposite here.

Look at any of his town games vs scum games you will find a remarkable difference in activity
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
January 03 2016 02:48 GMT
#3423
On January 03 2016 11:38 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2016 08:11 ritoky wrote:
because i read you town, and i figured if 1 of you and onegu is mafia or both are mafia, then i am getting roleblocked and i know it. if both of you are town they are gonna let my bullet through so i started working on other people to shoot. and between myself and hf i arrived at moosy and slam. i sent about 9 pms to the mods....i really wish i had shot slam now.
Why did you not consider Palmar, ObiWanShinobi, and nooniansoong?


because obi, palmar, and kush will make posts from which i can actually get informed reads. slam and moosy will not.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
January 03 2016 02:49 GMT
#3424
On January 03 2016 11:37 nooniansoong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2016 11:34 ExO_ wrote:
:/ I dont like following kush into a slam lynch

because you think he's town or you think im scum?


because I think you're scum, not necessarily because I think slam is town. I'm not sure what I think of slam atm
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
January 03 2016 02:57 GMT
#3425
case on slam:

1 - slam has almost perpetually posted from behind the thread. he is always "catching up" and never actually interacting with the thread and immediately responding to people. very rarely does he react to things and push town in a positive direction.

2 - slam had literal 0 major reaction to claim shitfest 2015. town slam is all up in this, whether it is laughter, anger, something. he has a strong reaction which may include a 2nd nuking of the great wifom bunker by the chupazitron 30000.

3 - out of place anger

4 - not enough non-sequitur: "this guy is mafia" reads

5 - he has not done my #1 town tell on him.

palmar is probably still mafia cuz rayn said so too, but some of his posts make me weaken on that.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
January 03 2016 03:00 GMT
#3426
it's 2016 now. fuck i hate this part of the newyear
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 03 2016 03:09 GMT
#3427
Rit please look at least what I'm pointing out instead of dismissing it.

I do think slam is scum but nm is as well more than likely
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
January 03 2016 03:10 GMT
#3428
On January 03 2016 12:09 Damdred wrote:
Rit please look at least what I'm pointing out instead of dismissing it.

I do think slam is scum but nm is as well more than likely


the NM stuff?

i can in an hour
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
January 03 2016 03:12 GMT
#3429
There was one specific Palmar post that I also didn't like and I don't need my computer to pull it up.
I'll go take a look at it and point out why.
Retired.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
January 03 2016 03:13 GMT
#3430
Meh, I took a look and I'm not sure if it's important or not anymore.
I'll just continue my Trfel campaign and maybe I'll die before I have to think about Palmar some more.
Retired.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 03 2016 03:18 GMT
#3431
I don't understand why people don't want to lynch nooniansoong.

He's not doing anything, he's just existing. Seriously, he's not invested in the game at all, just going with the flow.

It's the same thing as ObiWanShinobi and Palmar. If people are pushing town all the time (Vivax, Tictock, Rels, Tictock again), why does mafia need to do anything? Mafia will sit back and go with it, let town argue about it. That's what nooniansoong, ObiWanShinobi, and Palmar have been doing this entire time.

I definitely see Damdred's point about NocturneMage, however I felt that N e s s's play seemed like town, and I'm not yet comfortable reading NocturneMage from these posts. The contrast is also a bit weaker because this is a much, much larger game than the last one NocturneMage replaced into.

I'll take another look at Alakaslam, but my impressions from his filter weren't aligned with most of the things that ritoky was saying.

On January 03 2016 00:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2016 19:23 Trfel wrote:ObiWanShinobi
+ Show Spoiler +
He's just.... not doing anything at all.

He's not making any useful thoughts, he's not being commanding, he's just following the lead that everyone else is providing. He's just doing whatever, not trying to solve the game.

One example of this is ObiWanShinobi's read on boxerfred. He initially said that people scumreading boxerfred for doing nothing is bad, because boxerfred did nothing and got mislynched for it as town. However, when boxerfred continued to be useless, Holyflare said that he wanted to lynch boxerfred on Day 3, and ObiWanShinobi said that he agreed without mentioning boxerfred in between.


I didn't know I needed reasons to kill someone useless - I can concede that someone is probably town and useless but that doesn't make being useless a good thing.
So then the question becomes, did ObiWanShinobi have actual scumreads at the time he said that he would be willing to lynch boxerfred.

If he did, then this is very suspicious. If not, then I'm less sure. I'll try and check that tonight as well.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
January 03 2016 03:19 GMT
#3432
On January 03 2016 11:47 Damdred wrote:
Kush is more than likely town.

But I would like everyone to go look at nm at how he replaced into a game and went scum hunting like a beast and does the exact opposite here.

Look at any of his town games vs scum games you will find a remarkable difference in activity


It's a pretty good point but at the same time, we're on page 172. But him placing his vote on Onegu does imply he's at least caught up enough to know about the red check and blue TT being lynched over it.

And Ness was one of my strongest scumreads. NM hasn't done anything to dissuade this. I could vote NM.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 03 2016 03:20 GMT
#3433
The Shining, please be town, and please help me.

If my reads are horrible and stupid, or don't make people scum, please tell me. And if it's just that they don't make people scum, if you could explain why, that would be great?
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
January 03 2016 03:20 GMT
#3434
On January 03 2016 12:18 Trfel wrote:
I don't understand why people don't want to lynch nooniansoong.

He's not doing anything, he's just existing. Seriously, he's not invested in the game at all, just going with the flow.

It's the same thing as ObiWanShinobi and Palmar. If people are pushing town all the time (Vivax, Tictock, Rels, Tictock again), why does mafia need to do anything? Mafia will sit back and go with it, let town argue about it. That's what nooniansoong, ObiWanShinobi, and Palmar have been doing this entire time.

I definitely see Damdred's point about NocturneMage, however I felt that N e s s's play seemed like town, and I'm not yet comfortable reading NocturneMage from these posts. The contrast is also a bit weaker because this is a much, much larger game than the last one NocturneMage replaced into.

I'll take another look at Alakaslam, but my impressions from his filter weren't aligned with most of the things that ritoky was saying.

Show nested quote +
On January 03 2016 00:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On January 02 2016 19:23 Trfel wrote:ObiWanShinobi
+ Show Spoiler +
He's just.... not doing anything at all.

He's not making any useful thoughts, he's not being commanding, he's just following the lead that everyone else is providing. He's just doing whatever, not trying to solve the game.

One example of this is ObiWanShinobi's read on boxerfred. He initially said that people scumreading boxerfred for doing nothing is bad, because boxerfred did nothing and got mislynched for it as town. However, when boxerfred continued to be useless, Holyflare said that he wanted to lynch boxerfred on Day 3, and ObiWanShinobi said that he agreed without mentioning boxerfred in between.


I didn't know I needed reasons to kill someone useless - I can concede that someone is probably town and useless but that doesn't make being useless a good thing.
So then the question becomes, did ObiWanShinobi have actual scumreads at the time he said that he would be willing to lynch boxerfred.

If he did, then this is very suspicious. If not, then I'm less sure. I'll try and check that tonight as well.


Why was Ness town to you?
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 03 2016 03:24 GMT
#3435
On January 03 2016 12:20 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2016 12:18 Trfel wrote:
I don't understand why people don't want to lynch nooniansoong.

He's not doing anything, he's just existing. Seriously, he's not invested in the game at all, just going with the flow.

It's the same thing as ObiWanShinobi and Palmar. If people are pushing town all the time (Vivax, Tictock, Rels, Tictock again), why does mafia need to do anything? Mafia will sit back and go with it, let town argue about it. That's what nooniansoong, ObiWanShinobi, and Palmar have been doing this entire time.

I definitely see Damdred's point about NocturneMage, however I felt that N e s s's play seemed like town, and I'm not yet comfortable reading NocturneMage from these posts. The contrast is also a bit weaker because this is a much, much larger game than the last one NocturneMage replaced into.

I'll take another look at Alakaslam, but my impressions from his filter weren't aligned with most of the things that ritoky was saying.

On January 03 2016 00:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On January 02 2016 19:23 Trfel wrote:ObiWanShinobi
+ Show Spoiler +
He's just.... not doing anything at all.

He's not making any useful thoughts, he's not being commanding, he's just following the lead that everyone else is providing. He's just doing whatever, not trying to solve the game.

One example of this is ObiWanShinobi's read on boxerfred. He initially said that people scumreading boxerfred for doing nothing is bad, because boxerfred did nothing and got mislynched for it as town. However, when boxerfred continued to be useless, Holyflare said that he wanted to lynch boxerfred on Day 3, and ObiWanShinobi said that he agreed without mentioning boxerfred in between.


I didn't know I needed reasons to kill someone useless - I can concede that someone is probably town and useless but that doesn't make being useless a good thing.
So then the question becomes, did ObiWanShinobi have actual scumreads at the time he said that he would be willing to lynch boxerfred.

If he did, then this is very suspicious. If not, then I'm less sure. I'll try and check that tonight as well.


Why was Ness town to you?
To be honest, I don't remember so well. Mostly, he seemed very determined and had a high post count. He had mafia experience on other sites, so maybe he would play like that as mafia, but it's not the simple explanation. He kept coming back and arguing about things, it seemed like he genuinely cared about the game, and his filter was one of the longest while he was playing. His frustration with TL Mafia was clearly true as well, even if not necessarily alignment indicative.

I mean, yeah, he could be mafia, but I feel like town is a much simpler explanation. And the simple explanation is generally always correct.

I'll take another look if you'd like, you seem fairly convinced about it. But later, I need to head out now.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
January 03 2016 03:24 GMT
#3436
On January 03 2016 12:18 Trfel wrote:
I don't understand why people don't want to lynch nooniansoong.

He's not doing anything, he's just existing. Seriously, he's not invested in the game at all, just going with the flow.

It's the same thing as ObiWanShinobi and Palmar. If people are pushing town all the time (Vivax, Tictock, Rels, Tictock again), why does mafia need to do anything? Mafia will sit back and go with it, let town argue about it. That's what nooniansoong, ObiWanShinobi, and Palmar have been doing this entire time.

I definitely see Damdred's point about NocturneMage, however I felt that N e s s's play seemed like town, and I'm not yet comfortable reading NocturneMage from these posts. The contrast is also a bit weaker because this is a much, much larger game than the last one NocturneMage replaced into.

I'll take another look at Alakaslam, but my impressions from his filter weren't aligned with most of the things that ritoky was saying.

Show nested quote +
On January 03 2016 00:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On January 02 2016 19:23 Trfel wrote:ObiWanShinobi
+ Show Spoiler +
He's just.... not doing anything at all.

He's not making any useful thoughts, he's not being commanding, he's just following the lead that everyone else is providing. He's just doing whatever, not trying to solve the game.

One example of this is ObiWanShinobi's read on boxerfred. He initially said that people scumreading boxerfred for doing nothing is bad, because boxerfred did nothing and got mislynched for it as town. However, when boxerfred continued to be useless, Holyflare said that he wanted to lynch boxerfred on Day 3, and ObiWanShinobi said that he agreed without mentioning boxerfred in between.


I didn't know I needed reasons to kill someone useless - I can concede that someone is probably town and useless but that doesn't make being useless a good thing.
So then the question becomes, did ObiWanShinobi have actual scumreads at the time he said that he would be willing to lynch boxerfred.

If he did, then this is very suspicious. If not, then I'm less sure. I'll try and check that tonight as well.


Stuff it scumsack.
Retired.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
January 03 2016 03:28 GMT
#3437
Actually I'm going to go out and respond to it because why not.

I was voting Tt pretty much the entire time so it's untrue.
Even if it wasn't, bf still would have been a fantastic lynch for being useless.
Retired.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
January 03 2016 03:31 GMT
#3438
On January 03 2016 12:20 Trfel wrote:
The Shining, please be town, and please help me.

If my reads are horrible and stupid, or don't make people scum, please tell me. And if it's just that they don't make people scum, if you could explain why, that would be great?


How can I help you when you respond to me once and then leave? =/ I also just remembered a decent amount of my TR on Trfel was based on the red check being real and Trfel hard aligning with TT, which wouldn't happen with both being scum. But TT was blue so that goes out of the window.

Obi, what makes Trfel scum? When can I expect your case?
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 03 2016 03:33 GMT
#3439
On January 03 2016 12:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Actually I'm going to go out and respond to it because why not.

I was voting Tt pretty much the entire time so it's untrue.
Even if it wasn't, bf still would have been a fantastic lynch for being useless.

That is nothing like what I said at all. Nice reading comprehension.

Sorry TS, busy.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
January 03 2016 03:35 GMT
#3440
On January 03 2016 12:31 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2016 12:20 Trfel wrote:
The Shining, please be town, and please help me.

If my reads are horrible and stupid, or don't make people scum, please tell me. And if it's just that they don't make people scum, if you could explain why, that would be great?


How can I help you when you respond to me once and then leave? =/ I also just remembered a decent amount of my TR on Trfel was based on the red check being real and Trfel hard aligning with TT, which wouldn't happen with both being scum. But TT was blue so that goes out of the window.

Obi, what makes Trfel scum? When can I expect your case?


You can expect it tomorrow.
I already explained why I thought he was scum (he's relatively apathetic).
Got called in late so now I'm stuck here fiddling with my phone and I can't post much of worth when I need quotes and such until tomorrow, so.
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