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On January 02 2016 09:07 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2016 09:04 ritoky wrote:On January 02 2016 09:01 Holyflare wrote:On January 02 2016 09:00 ritoky wrote:
tbh i am mad....that might be because the ibuprofen didn't kill the headache or cuz of this mess; but stop with the woe is me shit if you're town; i gotta figure out this pile of mess in 23 hours. They're both probably town there's nothing to work out. Shoot slam please. are you so sure of this you wouldn't lynch their ass at lylo? Damdred is too depressing and if he's playing the friendship card on me I will have no respect for him as a player from now on. I town read onegu day 1 and the claim doesn't really make sense in the way he did it from mafia but this isn't a be all and end all of reads. Slam anger at something he has been repeatedly told was very fake and he didn't even comment on the shit that just happened. Not to mention all the other stuff he did like being aggro to ness and town reading him etc.
well when i read damdred's filter i called him soul read town, and i have a lot of faith in that read; but idk if i don't lynch him if he is sitting with me in lylo.....plus the part that gives me pause is that if he is mafia he is the perfect person to send out there for a cc since he always has an excuse to have given me a gun in that spot.
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how many mislynches do we have left?
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i ask cuz i don't wanna shoot unless i am sure if it's gonna cause us to lose a ml.
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19 players - 14-5
if shoot worst case:
10 - 5 after N2
9 - 5 after D3
7 - 5 after N3
6 - 5 After D4 -> lost unless save
if not shoot worst case:
11 - 5 after N2
10 - 5 after D3
8 - 5 after N3
7 - 5 after D4
6 - 5 after N4
so missing costs us a ML right? can someone confirm?
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On January 02 2016 09:38 ExO_ wrote:
Really hard for me to want to continue playing for a couple of reasons.
People on TL think they are too smart for their own good. Unless Damdred and Onegu are scum, then we had 2 players fuck over everyone else, because they're smart enough to fake claim. There was no scum hunting yesterday like at all. Part of it was the super long day, but I think I was convinced like most people that TT was scum. The only silver lining imo is that Damdred or Onegu is almost certainly scum, but if they aren't then Jesus Christ.
And the second is I'm not sure how much help I can be. It's hard to play when you're demotivated. Clearly my thoughts about scum need to be reevaluated because I was sure TT was scum. TT's play didn't help but I'm not sure where to go from here.
idk. Somebody point me in a direction because right now I'm feeling pretty meh :/
make a list of people you would not shoot tonight if you had a gun.
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it fucked me a bit because it stopped me from really considering if TT would have given me a gun there because i knew with a lot of certainty that you would.....i can kinda get what you and others said as it being a play of basically saying "hey real PRs don't out, i will fake claim to prevent sacrificing a blue for obvious mafia"....but i can also see a scenario where it is something like: mafia RC's tt -> onegu fake red checks sum1 mafia knows is blue -> you CC to secure the lynch on a target you knew was blue.
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On January 02 2016 09:53 Damdred wrote:
Why is the cc necessary the only people doubting the red were exo and SL while everyone else wouldn't change without a cc to onegu.
Also the who got,the gun wasn't up to debate as you claimed it earlier in the day everyone had that information.
Answer honestly red check on Tt him acting like he did no fake claim by me and no cc to onegu would you lynch Tt still.
does tt still get lynched there without your cc? probably due to his play yes.
does all discussion get shut down without your cc? no; your cc gave "overwhelming information" against tt which made discussing the lynch, the potential of a fake claim, if TT gives me a gun, if onegu is auto-lynch if tt flips anything but red, etc all a moot point because we all believed with certainty he would flip red since he had a double claim against him.
that is what i meant when i said "securing the lynch"
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i am thinking about posting my "you're not getting shot for sure" list and then not really talking about who i am shooting the rest of the night phase outside of trying to figure shit out in general.
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On January 02 2016 10:03 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2016 09:58 ritoky wrote:On January 02 2016 09:53 Damdred wrote:
Why is the cc necessary the only people doubting the red were exo and SL while everyone else wouldn't change without a cc to onegu.
Also the who got,the gun wasn't up to debate as you claimed it earlier in the day everyone had that information.
Answer honestly red check on Tt him acting like he did no fake claim by me and no cc to onegu would you lynch Tt still. does tt still get lynched there without your cc? probably due to his play yes. does all discussion get shut down without your cc? no; your cc gave "overwhelming information" against tt which made discussing the lynch, the potential of a fake claim, if TT gives me a gun, if onegu is auto-lynch if tt flips anything but red, etc all a moot point because we all believed with certainty he would flip red since he had a double claim against him. that is what i meant when i said "securing the lynch" I think I disagree that my claim shut the game down the red check shut the game down to an extent. You are assuming without a cc to him that people would discuss fervently and give more information when history tells us that just isn't a the case.
knowing myself and it being a 72 hour phase, without your claim i would have at least tinfoil considered the fake claim possibility had your cc not been there. can't speak for others and maybe i am assuming things.
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damdred what do you think of the people on this list:
hf
obviousone
exo_
koshi
moosy
obi
shining
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if you wanna explain those further the 3 i am most interested in are OO, moosy, and obi
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On January 02 2016 10:28 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2016 10:19 ritoky wrote:
damdred what do you think of the people on this list:
hf
obviousone
exo_
koshi
moosy
obi
shining I'll make a brief version for now, Townish Nullish to scum Townish Town Should lynch Maybe town Town
On January 02 2016 10:35 ritoky wrote:
if you wanna explain those further the 3 i am most interested in are OO, moosy, and obi
repost for respond shit
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exo, i need you to do this for me:
On January 02 2016 09:41 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2016 09:38 ExO_ wrote:
Really hard for me to want to continue playing for a couple of reasons.
People on TL think they are too smart for their own good. Unless Damdred and Onegu are scum, then we had 2 players fuck over everyone else, because they're smart enough to fake claim. There was no scum hunting yesterday like at all. Part of it was the super long day, but I think I was convinced like most people that TT was scum. The only silver lining imo is that Damdred or Onegu is almost certainly scum, but if they aren't then Jesus Christ.
And the second is I'm not sure how much help I can be. It's hard to play when you're demotivated. Clearly my thoughts about scum need to be reevaluated because I was sure TT was scum. TT's play didn't help but I'm not sure where to go from here.
idk. Somebody point me in a direction because right now I'm feeling pretty meh :/ make a list of people you would not shoot tonight if you had a gun.
i don't care if the list is like 2 or 3 people right now, i would just like to know.
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On January 02 2016 11:15 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2016 09:15 Holyflare wrote:On January 02 2016 09:12 Koshi wrote:
I like how hf is pushing mafia agenda like a mad man in case onegu is mafia. He takes all the risk starting the fake claim shit and hf looks everywhere but at Onegu. Hilarious. At least Damdred is going full emo on him so hf needs to find another townie to lynch.
Onegu needs to be lynched first.
Always. I said none of them are mafia but you can somehow extrapolate random things from coherent sentences. You are GB tier. Funny thing coming from the guy who twists what I say 100% of the games we play together
On January 02 2016 05:28 ritoky wrote:
gb post other reads, i am tired of reading your essay on HF.
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On January 02 2016 11:32 nooniansoong wrote:What do you need to talk to him for
cuz exo isn't responding and i think he is the most town of people currently posting outside of exo
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what you think of this?
town 100%:
ritoky
coag
town 99%:
exo_
town 96%:
koshi
town 95%:
holyflare
vivax:
vivax
slightly town pile:
obi
OO
moosy
shining
no clue and probably not gonna get one:
kush
mafia list in no order:
1 of: gb or ness/NM
palmar
slam
1 of: onegu or damdred
1 of: sl or trfel
if i am wrong in here (particularly on 1 between onegu/damdred is where i could easily be wrong) then it's probably moosy or kush?
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i will seriously fist fight anyone who calls exo scum this game btw, i am sooooo sure on that read.
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On January 02 2016 11:48 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2016 11:47 ritoky wrote:
i will seriously fist fight anyone who calls exo scum this game btw, i am sooooo sure on that read. Help me get there. Why
read this conversation from a couple nights ago and consider it post-flip
On December 30 2015 18:41 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2015 18:32 ritoky wrote:On December 30 2015 18:21 ExO_ wrote:On December 30 2015 18:16 ritoky wrote:On December 30 2015 18:11 ExO_ wrote:On December 30 2015 18:00 ritoky wrote:
exo are you caught up fully with the thread? For the most part. If I understand correctly: Mafia has 2 kills, and then a 2 shot vig. Which explains the 3 deaths. Onegu is claiming a red check on TT, with no counter claim so far. I'm inclined to believe him b/c of the post TT made with the popcorn. I think TT is scum. Artanis and Rayn were both convinced Palmar was scum. And I tend to agree. I'm in favor of lynching Palmar today for this reason: This means that if somebody CC's Onegu's claim we're not having last minute vote shenanigans again. If nothing changes in regards to TT then I think one of our gunsmith's shoot him. I think I need to go really closely read how the vote switching happened. Who switched. Why they said they switched. I think some clues are there. And I think Artanis/rayn's filter should be read closely as well. Why do you prefer a lynch on a scum read (to which there is a level of uncertainty) versus a player who is red checked by an uncc'd cop and CC'd for the role he claimed (which seems far more definitive)? What's the difference between lynching TT and shooting palmar and why is the opposite preferable? Because rayn/Artanis both felt strongly about Palmar. I think Palmar is regarded well enough to have more influence on the game, and possibly talk his way out of this. TT isn't making it to the end of this game regardless, Palmar might find a way to talk his way out of it. I think Palmar is scum, and I don't want to give him a chance to slip by. If possible I'd like to avoid voting Shenanigans at the end of the day today, and one way I could see that happening is somebody CCing onegu and then we end up lynching the wrong person again. I can't see a world in which somebody would CC onegu, and claim they got a green check on Palmar, it would look to obviously wrong. So if we lynch Palmar, shoot TT we get the most amount of scum, with the least amount of risk. I am having trouble grasping this. It's been nearly half a day and almost every player has been to the thread and posted at least once; so the # of people who a CC to onegu could come from is extremely limited. Further if someone CC's onegu in the final hours, it is just awful play....like really bad; but beyond that it doesn't explain TT getting CC'd on top of the red check by damdred. On top of that TT not claiming GS under impending lynch yesterday makes no sense at all. He will claim under red check but not under imminent death? What? It would take one helluva last minute CC to cause shenanies. Plus as of now I am shooting palmar which was what rayn and i had been saying all night before checks and cc's happened. Sure, but I was pretty much under the impression TT was a lock yesterday. I find it hard to imagine shenanigans happening again, as well, but I'd rather reduce the risk. I'm 99% on both TT and Palmar and would be okay with a lynch on either of them. I feel like Palmar lynch and shooting TT is safer, but I'm fine with it the other way. And I feel like in every TL mafia game I play, the logic by the end of a 48 hours period changes quite a bit. People can't stand sitting on the same target all day. I'm incredibly worried somebody is going to out-think themselves and we switch targets to another stupid target :/
there's a couple more posts not in the quote chain if you wanna go back and look at those too, but this discussion and me having to basically talk him into what seemed like a mechanical auto-lynch; plus the reasonable pushback he gave me (in hindsight) makes me think he is SUPER town.
and if you're going to say "he could be doing it from a TMI perspective"; i just say no, i REALLY don't think so from tone, legitimacy of concern, feelings of honesty and the effort of response.
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and yes the masons stuff too
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