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If I replace a newbie, do I inherit their coach? XD
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Hello. Bare with me, this is my first time ever replacing. I'll try to catch up on the thread tonight but probably won't be fully caught up until I'm at work tomorrow, which is where I normally play from. Just a word of encouragement to the town newbies not to get discouraged over a D1 mislynch, this is still very winnable. I'll go and analyze EoD once I'm caught up but this is still very winnable.
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Hey guys. I'm caught up. Looks like I have a little under 2 hours before EoD and GB and Onegu are the lynches? They're pretty close(4-3) which indicates to me one may actually be scum, although I haven't really analyzed the cases on either of them yet.
I will say Onegu has activity here that I'm def not used to in the few games I've played with him, which makes him a bit questionable to me and he is stuck solely on Onegu-centric reads and the "scumslip" from Fidei but I don't actually think it's a scumflip. When I read it, I understood it as Onegu being the easiest ML when he's town, it was definitely implied throughout the wording of the entire post.
I saw Kmatts post asking me about thoughts and his case on GB and from what I can remember during reading, GB felt pretty nice and lax and trying to be friends with everyone, although it being a Newbie game probably makes that NAI vs scum buddying. I'll go read his filter first to make a final decision and answer Kmatts post, then get to Onegu.
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On January 04 2016 06:17 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 05:27 The Shining wrote:
Hey guys. I'm caught up. Looks like I have a little under 2 hours before EoD and GB and Onegu are the lynches? They're pretty close(4-3) which indicates to me one may actually be scum, although I haven't really analyzed the cases on either of them yet.
I will say Onegu has activity here that I'm def not used to in the few games I've played with him, which makes him a bit questionable to me and he is stuck solely on Onegu-centric reads and the "scumslip" from Fidei but I don't actually think it's a scumflip. When I read it, I understood it as Onegu being the easiest ML when he's town, it was definitely implied throughout the wording of the entire post.
I saw Kmatts post asking me about thoughts and his case on GB and from what I can remember during reading, GB felt pretty nice and lax and trying to be friends with everyone, although it being a Newbie game probably makes that NAI vs scum buddying. I'll go read his filter first to make a final decision and answer Kmatts post, then get to Onegu. Give me some help here, I'm not mafia and I have no idea why there are at least 2 townies voting me
Help me help you here. Explain a few things to me. How did Fidei end up at the top of your town list without being explained? Or did I miss it? Because that TR was so strong that you decided to vote Scott, who you said you'd never lynch D1, over Fidei because that TR was stronger.
Also, how did you land on never lynch me over 1-2 posts since I replaced? Lol.
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See I have two big issues with the lynch right now. If GB is in fact scum, no one is trying to save him or pulling any sort of defense. If scum is actually voting to save him, 3 scum are in the 3 Onegu votes? Or 2 + Shapelog because he's not here? Unless you're in NM world where Onegu and GB are both scum and double bussing.
Whereas if Onegu is scum, he has no cares about this lynch, even though its pretty closely contested. Its speculation but it would make sense if he was that relaxed because he can guarantee 2-3 votes on GB aka scumteam. And his only post in the last few hours is to scum Fidei once more. Everyone voting him except for Kush is scum to him. Over a scumslip and some weird reason I couldn't really pick up on RE: GB.
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Basically OMGUSing GBs metaread and mentioning "small things"
But its all so Onegu-centric.
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On January 04 2016 06:55 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 06:52 The Shining wrote:
See I have two big issues with the lynch right now. If GB is in fact scum, no one is trying to save him or pulling any sort of defense. If scum is actually voting to save him, 3 scum are in the 3 Onegu votes? Or 2 + Shapelog because he's not here? Unless you're in NM world where Onegu and GB are both scum and double bussing.
Whereas if Onegu is scum, he has no cares about this lynch, even though its pretty closely contested. Its speculation but it would make sense if he was that relaxed because he can guarantee 2-3 votes on GB aka scumteam. And his only post in the last few hours is to scum Fidei once more. Everyone voting him except for Kush is scum to him. Over a scumslip and some weird reason I couldn't really pick up on RE: GB. So you think Onegu would be the better lynch?
Yeah but it seems like no one is here. I'm going to vote Onegu but I need someone to switch or else its just a waste. Meh
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Well I fucked that. I can't even be mad at anyone but myself. Giygas, I'm pretty sure I know why but I just want to hear it from you. Why did you switch?
GB you were just saved. Start shitting townie rainbows pls? Super close lynch like this and I'm feeling like I chose wrong...bah
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On January 04 2016 07:06 nooniansoong wrote:
Anyone ever played with scum NM? If so, is he super awesome as scum?
The one game I saw him roll scum, I didn't play in it but I referred to it in a later game to check meta. He was super underwhelming, pretty inactive but it was also one of his first games here so I'm not sure if he'd be able to change that right away.
But its part of why I have him as a TR. He's active and I can follow a direct line of thought through most of his posts, though I disagreed with him on the double bus thing.
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On January 04 2016 07:10 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 07:07 The Shining wrote:
Well I fucked that. I can't even be mad at anyone but myself. Giygas, I'm pretty sure I know why but I just want to hear it from you. Why did you switch?
GB you were just saved. Start shitting townie rainbows pls? Super close lynch like this and I'm feeling like I chose wrong...bah I promise you I'm town this game and I didn't try to deceive you
You answered the Fidei TR, thanks, but why did you have me as never lynch?
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On January 04 2016 07:13 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 07:11 The Shining wrote:On January 04 2016 07:10 GlowingBear wrote:On January 04 2016 07:07 The Shining wrote:
Well I fucked that. I can't even be mad at anyone but myself. Giygas, I'm pretty sure I know why but I just want to hear it from you. Why did you switch?
GB you were just saved. Start shitting townie rainbows pls? Super close lynch like this and I'm feeling like I chose wrong...bah I promise you I'm town this game and I didn't try to deceive you You answered the Fidei TR, thanks, but why did you have me as never lynch? No mafia asks for a replacement for being unable to play. They can use it to survive through days. People that ask for a replacement is usually town concerned of ruining other people's game.
So you think Shape is town, too? Don't you think it's also likely scum being unable to play would also ask for a replacement to not risk being modkilled and screwing over their scumteam? That feels NAI, at best, to me. I'm not sure it warrants a read either way. And I've def seen scum replace out before. Hm.
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On January 04 2016 07:15 Kmatt wrote:
Well. That was an interesting turn of events.
While I haven't given up my claim against GB (possibly even stronger now), Shining definitely got me thinking about the voting patterns. I had my suspicions about Shapelog but was hoping for the GB reveal to give me the info I needed.
I'm leaving for a while, and will probably spend most of the night phase working this out. And that's to say nothing of a potential NK.
I didn't directly answer your question before but I didn't forget about you.
On January 03 2016 11:18 Kmatt wrote:
Don't know if anyone else just noticed but TheCow has been replaced by The Shining. I had my theories on Cow, but since his "character" has been replaced more or less I'd like our "new" friend to weigh in on some current events. Obviously he should read the thread when appropriate, but for when he's finished:
1) Seeing the previous days' discussion in the context current death toll, who or what do you think the biggest factor in Scott's mislynch was?
2) Similarly, why do you think the mafia went for Irish on the first night? (technically if we have both a doctor and vigilante in this game then that might not have been the case but for the sake of argument I'll assume Irish's death was the mafia's doing) Did any of his reads stand out to you or did any arguments he put out seem to be catching on with the thread?
3) Could you weigh in on my GB case? Obviously my opinion on the matter is plain to see, so I'd like to see some other people bounce ideas off of it. Do you think I over-reacted or overlooked anything in my wall of text?
Granted, anyone is invited to answer these, but since I didn't get to see much from Cow before he left, I'd like a bit more insight from his replacement.
Irish flipped town and I have a pretty solid TR on NM, who are the first 2 votes on Scott. Irish also pushed this lynch pretty hard. I believe the lynch was a case of town adamantly pushing the town ML and scum having to do zero work on it. I wouldn't be surprised if there was only one scum on the Scott wagon and the rest were off-wagon. Like kush/noon. If i choose to believe GB is town, that leaves me with mderg/Fidei/Giygas as one of the scum on the Scott wagon.
Kush can you explain to me how you went from voting Fidei WITH Onegu D1 to voting Onegu WITH Fidei D2?
I also really hate outlier votes and have caught scum that way, because scum wouldn't want to all be on the wagon if its a mislynch, like Scotts wagon. So I'm immediately suspicious of Kmatt and Shapelog. But I found a few townie brownies in your filter and Shape is apparently being replaced or modkilled so I won't get too much into that until next day phase, assuming I live.
I'll probably go read Fidei and mderg and giygas tonight.
2) I won't go too much into this, since I don't know the setup. If we have a doctor, he could've been a medic dodge. If we don't, it could've been for his strong presence in thread and being TR by many. It couldve been for his reads. It could've been the possibility of him revisiting his wrong reads. There are too many possibilities and since I don't know the setup, and neither does scum according to the OP, its really hard to figure out the motive behind that shot.
3) honestly, I skimmed it and it was a bit hard to follow. A bit too much narrative for my taste, instead of concrete reasoning for why GBs actions and posts made him scum. And I really thought I was onto something with the lack of friction RE: the GB lynch so I let that take over my actions. I can go revisit it if you'd like but I don't remember seeing anything that was distinctly "damn he's right GB is scummy" instead of "well I've seen bad town GB do bad stuff before".
I will admit, though, that might just be bias from playing with a bad town GB before XD also, what exactly were you thinking about the voting patterns?
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On January 04 2016 07:56 Fecalfeast wrote:
looks like my counterpart was posting early on did we just afk randomly?
Apparently he's in the ER =/ go catch up and do stuff. I can read you sorta well most games. Make my life a little easier pls.
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On January 04 2016 07:59 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 07:22 The Shining wrote:On January 04 2016 07:13 GlowingBear wrote:On January 04 2016 07:11 The Shining wrote:On January 04 2016 07:10 GlowingBear wrote:On January 04 2016 07:07 The Shining wrote:
Well I fucked that. I can't even be mad at anyone but myself. Giygas, I'm pretty sure I know why but I just want to hear it from you. Why did you switch?
GB you were just saved. Start shitting townie rainbows pls? Super close lynch like this and I'm feeling like I chose wrong...bah I promise you I'm town this game and I didn't try to deceive you You answered the Fidei TR, thanks, but why did you have me as never lynch? No mafia asks for a replacement for being unable to play. They can use it to survive through days. People that ask for a replacement is usually town concerned of ruining other people's game. So you think Shape is town, too? Don't you think it's also likely scum being unable to play would also ask for a replacement to not risk being modkilled and screwing over their scumteam? That feels NAI, at best, to me. I'm not sure it warrants a read either way. And I've def seen scum replace out before. Hm. Yeah I'll admit I don't like this response either - I can think of two games offhand where scum replaced out, Dark Tournament (Onegu for FF) and Himalayas which I obsed I know there was a mafia replacement and that replacement played really well, wound up endgaming infamously with Holyflare.
Yeaaaaa I need to do serious soul searching on GB. Like I don't think I deserved a never lynch for being a replacement. It might have been a pocket attempt...and if it was, it was successful in time for the lynch. =/
And yeah I was thinking of DT, too, and also my first Newbie game ever here. The one where HtS rolled scum with Celestial. Iirc their partner replaced and they won =/
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On January 04 2016 08:12 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 07:48 The Shining wrote:
Irish flipped town and I have a pretty solid TR on NM, who are the first 2 votes on Scott. Irish also pushed this lynch pretty hard. I believe the lynch was a case of town adamantly pushing the town ML and scum having to do zero work on it. I wouldn't be surprised if there was only one scum on the Scott wagon and the rest were off-wagon. Like kush/noon. If i choose to believe GB is town, that leaves me with mderg/Fidei/Giygas as one of the scum on the Scott wagon.
Kush can you explain to me how you went from voting Fidei WITH Onegu D1 to voting Onegu WITH Fidei D2?
I also really hate outlier votes and have caught scum that way, because scum wouldn't want to all be on the wagon if its a mislynch, like Scotts wagon. So I'm immediately suspicious of Kmatt and Shapelog. But I found a few townie brownies in your filter and Shape is apparently being replaced or modkilled so I won't get too much into that until next day phase, assuming I live.
I'll probably go read Fidei and mderg and giygas tonight. This probably boils down to me not understanding this part of voting analysis but (1) how are you sure scum didn't just pile on at the end, like what are you using to eliminate that possibility? (2) how are you sure multiple scum wouldn't be caught off wagon? Both plays seem suboptimal unless you are taking the route of considering this for a newbie game. I'll need to re-read for full context, but...
1) Voting thread. The only voters that voted close to EoD were GB and Fidei. Scott was already up 4-2 at that point. If 1 or both are scum, its unlikely to me that they would vote at the end of a mislynch that was already leading. Fidei voted 1m before deadline when it was 5-3. Although it's more NAI than a town tell for him since he's the counter wagon. As for GB, Scott gerts lynched with or without his vote by the looks of it. Although his vote looks bad, considering he went from not lynching Scott tomlynching Scott over Fid because he has a stronger TR on Fid. If that's the case, he prob shouldn't be voting either.
2) maybe I misunderstood but that's exactly what I'm saying. Only 1 scum voting Scott, 2 scum voting off the Scott wagon.
And for your other post, when I say off-wagon, I mean off of the Scott wagon, not the outlier votes. So basically the Fidei wagon.
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On January 04 2016 08:19 Kmatt wrote:Okay so all things considered that last 10 minutes were pure bull. Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 07:48 The Shining wrote:On January 04 2016 07:15 Kmatt wrote:
Well. That was an interesting turn of events.
While I haven't given up my claim against GB (possibly even stronger now), Shining definitely got me thinking about the voting patterns. I had my suspicions about Shapelog but was hoping for the GB reveal to give me the info I needed.
I'm leaving for a while, and will probably spend most of the night phase working this out. And that's to say nothing of a potential NK. I didn't directly answer your question before but I didn't forget about you. On January 03 2016 11:18 Kmatt wrote:
Don't know if anyone else just noticed but TheCow has been replaced by The Shining. I had my theories on Cow, but since his "character" has been replaced more or less I'd like our "new" friend to weigh in on some current events. Obviously he should read the thread when appropriate, but for when he's finished:
1) Seeing the previous days' discussion in the context current death toll, who or what do you think the biggest factor in Scott's mislynch was?
2) Similarly, why do you think the mafia went for Irish on the first night? (technically if we have both a doctor and vigilante in this game then that might not have been the case but for the sake of argument I'll assume Irish's death was the mafia's doing) Did any of his reads stand out to you or did any arguments he put out seem to be catching on with the thread?
3) Could you weigh in on my GB case? Obviously my opinion on the matter is plain to see, so I'd like to see some other people bounce ideas off of it. Do you think I over-reacted or overlooked anything in my wall of text?
Granted, anyone is invited to answer these, but since I didn't get to see much from Cow before he left, I'd like a bit more insight from his replacement. Irish flipped town and I have a pretty solid TR on NM, who are the first 2 votes on Scott. Irish also pushed this lynch pretty hard. I believe the lynch was a case of town adamantly pushing the town ML and scum having to do zero work on it. I wouldn't be surprised if there was only one scum on the Scott wagon and the rest were off-wagon. Like kush/noon. If i choose to believe GB is town, that leaves me with mderg/Fidei/Giygas as one of the scum on the Scott wagon. Kush can you explain to me how you went from voting Fidei WITH Onegu D1 to voting Onegu WITH Fidei D2? I also really hate outlier votes and have caught scum that way, because scum wouldn't want to all be on the wagon if its a mislynch, like Scotts wagon. So I'm immediately suspicious of Kmatt and Shapelog. But I found a few townie brownies in your filter and Shape is apparently being replaced or modkilled so I won't get too much into that until next day phase, assuming I live. I'll probably go read Fidei and mderg and giygas tonight. 2) I won't go too much into this, since I don't know the setup. If we have a doctor, he could've been a medic dodge. If we don't, it could've been for his strong presence in thread and being TR by many. It couldve been for his reads. It could've been the possibility of him revisiting his wrong reads. There are too many possibilities and since I don't know the setup, and neither does scum according to the OP, its really hard to figure out the motive behind that shot. 3) honestly, I skimmed it and it was a bit hard to follow. A bit too much narrative for my taste, instead of concrete reasoning for why GBs actions and posts made him scum. And I really thought I was onto something with the lack of friction RE: the GB lynch so I let that take over my actions. I can go revisit it if you'd like but I don't remember seeing anything that was distinctly "damn he's right GB is scummy" instead of "well I've seen bad town GB do bad stuff before". I will admit, though, that might just be bias from playing with a bad town GB before XD also, what exactly were you thinking about the voting patterns? I'll admit I might have been having a bit of fun with my write-up. Still, there's one point I'd like to have explained by anyone at this point. I could tag most any of his quoted posts as being anti-town, but my biggest issue (which I'm honestly surprised that it seems to be overlooked) is right here: Show nested quote +On December 31 2015 04:10 GlowingBear wrote:
I've wrote it before. I've played with scott before and he is capable of doing that as town. I'm not lynching him over people I'm fairly confident are scum, simple as that. (For context, he was voting on me day1) Show nested quote +On December 31 2015 06:48 GlowingBear wrote:On December 31 2015 06:47 scott31337 wrote:
Im voting with Onegu instead Then I'm voting you Scott, sorry, but I have a stronger townread on him than you Now what in the hell was this. GB Believes me to be scum GB Asserts that Scott is town GB Declares that he would not lynch Scott over a stronger scumread (me) GB Drops his vote on a scumread(me) to intentionally vote Scott who he believed to be town, not because he believed Scott was scum, but because Scott was going to vote Onegu, who GB claimed he had a stronger townread on. Nevermind that Onegu had 0 votes to Scott's leading 4 at the time of the post. At least the other people on Scott's wagon claimed he was scum. GB doesn't even pretend to believe that. And we all know how that ended. That entire logic train leading to the vote switch was entirely anti-town.
Well Shining has learned that he shouldn't lead lynch shenannies. This, plus the D1 lynch on a blue Kush lol. I'm saying this because I agree with this and feel I could've very well fucked up. I actually just mentioned this in one of my last posts. GBs vote looks rrally bad. But Scott was already in the lead for lynch so why would GB make himself look this bad by adding onto it and contradicting his own read?
I do need clarification on one thing, though. I thought he was saying his townread on FID was stronger than his TR on Scott. Not his TR on Onegu > Scott. GB confirm/deny? Regardless it's not good logic for voting someone you said you wouldn't vote...
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On January 04 2016 08:28 NocturneMage wrote:
Also at Shining, solo voters aren't so bad if they are tunnelled, at least that's what I was taught by town coaches in the past, maybe you agree/disagree there, but there should be alternate scumreads that allow them to consolidate for experienced players.
Another thing I'll fill you in from day 1 is that 2-3 of those votes were total afk votes, they had to post their cases and were unable to push them. I remember looking this over night 1 or something and trying to pin down 2 votes on the main (scott) wagon and the remaining I just assumed it was a solo voter but all votes were afk votes, I think two of them had cases, a third might not have had one.
KMatt had his back and forth spiel on GB, Cow (now you lol) had his spiel on KMatt and Shapelog afk voted Noon in some wall of text.
Disfo was tunneled on DYH in DT basically all game, which is how I caught him. He even voted him instead of bussing HtS, which gave him away to me. Like tunneling can be townie, but it depends on how its done.
Like Kmatt waffling on GB back and forth but sticking to his gut reads townie. Im not sure his afking is that telling since he spoke about it. He is also still tunneled lol.. Cow...well idk what he was doing but I know I'm town. But Shapelog afking a vote on Noon just looks bad because it's in a wall of text and wasn't pushed or talked about after being done. But he is replaced now and he was the scum I thought was offwagon. So now I get to read FF instead.
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On January 04 2016 08:55 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 08:49 The Shining wrote:On January 04 2016 08:19 Kmatt wrote:Okay so all things considered that last 10 minutes were pure bull. On January 04 2016 07:48 The Shining wrote:On January 04 2016 07:15 Kmatt wrote:
Well. That was an interesting turn of events.
While I haven't given up my claim against GB (possibly even stronger now), Shining definitely got me thinking about the voting patterns. I had my suspicions about Shapelog but was hoping for the GB reveal to give me the info I needed.
I'm leaving for a while, and will probably spend most of the night phase working this out. And that's to say nothing of a potential NK. I didn't directly answer your question before but I didn't forget about you. On January 03 2016 11:18 Kmatt wrote:
Don't know if anyone else just noticed but TheCow has been replaced by The Shining. I had my theories on Cow, but since his "character" has been replaced more or less I'd like our "new" friend to weigh in on some current events. Obviously he should read the thread when appropriate, but for when he's finished:
1) Seeing the previous days' discussion in the context current death toll, who or what do you think the biggest factor in Scott's mislynch was?
2) Similarly, why do you think the mafia went for Irish on the first night? (technically if we have both a doctor and vigilante in this game then that might not have been the case but for the sake of argument I'll assume Irish's death was the mafia's doing) Did any of his reads stand out to you or did any arguments he put out seem to be catching on with the thread?
3) Could you weigh in on my GB case? Obviously my opinion on the matter is plain to see, so I'd like to see some other people bounce ideas off of it. Do you think I over-reacted or overlooked anything in my wall of text?
Granted, anyone is invited to answer these, but since I didn't get to see much from Cow before he left, I'd like a bit more insight from his replacement. Irish flipped town and I have a pretty solid TR on NM, who are the first 2 votes on Scott. Irish also pushed this lynch pretty hard. I believe the lynch was a case of town adamantly pushing the town ML and scum having to do zero work on it. I wouldn't be surprised if there was only one scum on the Scott wagon and the rest were off-wagon. Like kush/noon. If i choose to believe GB is town, that leaves me with mderg/Fidei/Giygas as one of the scum on the Scott wagon. Kush can you explain to me how you went from voting Fidei WITH Onegu D1 to voting Onegu WITH Fidei D2? I also really hate outlier votes and have caught scum that way, because scum wouldn't want to all be on the wagon if its a mislynch, like Scotts wagon. So I'm immediately suspicious of Kmatt and Shapelog. But I found a few townie brownies in your filter and Shape is apparently being replaced or modkilled so I won't get too much into that until next day phase, assuming I live. I'll probably go read Fidei and mderg and giygas tonight. 2) I won't go too much into this, since I don't know the setup. If we have a doctor, he could've been a medic dodge. If we don't, it could've been for his strong presence in thread and being TR by many. It couldve been for his reads. It could've been the possibility of him revisiting his wrong reads. There are too many possibilities and since I don't know the setup, and neither does scum according to the OP, its really hard to figure out the motive behind that shot. 3) honestly, I skimmed it and it was a bit hard to follow. A bit too much narrative for my taste, instead of concrete reasoning for why GBs actions and posts made him scum. And I really thought I was onto something with the lack of friction RE: the GB lynch so I let that take over my actions. I can go revisit it if you'd like but I don't remember seeing anything that was distinctly "damn he's right GB is scummy" instead of "well I've seen bad town GB do bad stuff before". I will admit, though, that might just be bias from playing with a bad town GB before XD also, what exactly were you thinking about the voting patterns? I'll admit I might have been having a bit of fun with my write-up. Still, there's one point I'd like to have explained by anyone at this point. I could tag most any of his quoted posts as being anti-town, but my biggest issue (which I'm honestly surprised that it seems to be overlooked) is right here: On December 31 2015 04:10 GlowingBear wrote:
I've wrote it before. I've played with scott before and he is capable of doing that as town. I'm not lynching him over people I'm fairly confident are scum, simple as that. (For context, he was voting on me day1) On December 31 2015 06:48 GlowingBear wrote:On December 31 2015 06:47 scott31337 wrote:
Im voting with Onegu instead Then I'm voting you Scott, sorry, but I have a stronger townread on him than you Now what in the hell was this. GB Believes me to be scum GB Asserts that Scott is town GB Declares that he would not lynch Scott over a stronger scumread (me) GB Drops his vote on a scumread(me) to intentionally vote Scott who he believed to be town, not because he believed Scott was scum, but because Scott was going to vote Onegu, who GB claimed he had a stronger townread on. Nevermind that Onegu had 0 votes to Scott's leading 4 at the time of the post. At least the other people on Scott's wagon claimed he was scum. GB doesn't even pretend to believe that. And we all know how that ended. That entire logic train leading to the vote switch was entirely anti-town. Well Shining has learned that he shouldn't lead lynch shenannies. This, plus the D1 lynch on a blue Kush lol. I'm saying this because I agree with this and feel I could've very well fucked up. I actually just mentioned this in one of my last posts. GBs vote looks rrally bad. But Scott was already in the lead for lynch so why would GB make himself look this bad by adding onto it and contradicting his own read? I do need clarification on one thing, though. I thought he was saying his townread on FID was stronger than his TR on Scott. Not his TR on Onegu > Scott. GB confirm/deny? Regardless it's not good logic for voting someone you said you wouldn't vote... GB doesn't apply to the 'too scummy to be scum' metric and I feel like you should know that. GB uses a lot of associative reads, was there anyone GB scumread on the scott wagon when he switched over?
Except when it does? You have to remember the game that I helped win in triple lylo. Me, you, GB, Vonthin. GB looked soooooo bad the last few day phases, even hard towning and refusing to lynch the 2 scum we lynched. It took a massive case from me on Vonthin to get you 2 to vote Vonthin.
I'm not saying its worth TRing him for but its something to keep in mind before scumreading him. And I'm sad you don't remember that =/
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On December 31 2015 03:38 GlowingBear wrote:
I must say I'm more confident we hit mafia by lynching mderg than Onegu.
Maybe Kmatt, that reason to vote me is bullshit.
FF, bolded. Fuck. GB voted with mderg. That's a damn good question, town GB never votes with his scumreads. He will even vote off-wagon to avoid doing so. Fuck.
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On January 04 2016 09:05 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 08:55 Fecalfeast wrote:On January 04 2016 08:49 The Shining wrote:On January 04 2016 08:19 Kmatt wrote:Okay so all things considered that last 10 minutes were pure bull. On January 04 2016 07:48 The Shining wrote:On January 04 2016 07:15 Kmatt wrote:
Well. That was an interesting turn of events.
While I haven't given up my claim against GB (possibly even stronger now), Shining definitely got me thinking about the voting patterns. I had my suspicions about Shapelog but was hoping for the GB reveal to give me the info I needed.
I'm leaving for a while, and will probably spend most of the night phase working this out. And that's to say nothing of a potential NK. I didn't directly answer your question before but I didn't forget about you. On January 03 2016 11:18 Kmatt wrote:
Don't know if anyone else just noticed but TheCow has been replaced by The Shining. I had my theories on Cow, but since his "character" has been replaced more or less I'd like our "new" friend to weigh in on some current events. Obviously he should read the thread when appropriate, but for when he's finished:
1) Seeing the previous days' discussion in the context current death toll, who or what do you think the biggest factor in Scott's mislynch was?
2) Similarly, why do you think the mafia went for Irish on the first night? (technically if we have both a doctor and vigilante in this game then that might not have been the case but for the sake of argument I'll assume Irish's death was the mafia's doing) Did any of his reads stand out to you or did any arguments he put out seem to be catching on with the thread?
3) Could you weigh in on my GB case? Obviously my opinion on the matter is plain to see, so I'd like to see some other people bounce ideas off of it. Do you think I over-reacted or overlooked anything in my wall of text?
Granted, anyone is invited to answer these, but since I didn't get to see much from Cow before he left, I'd like a bit more insight from his replacement. Irish flipped town and I have a pretty solid TR on NM, who are the first 2 votes on Scott. Irish also pushed this lynch pretty hard. I believe the lynch was a case of town adamantly pushing the town ML and scum having to do zero work on it. I wouldn't be surprised if there was only one scum on the Scott wagon and the rest were off-wagon. Like kush/noon. If i choose to believe GB is town, that leaves me with mderg/Fidei/Giygas as one of the scum on the Scott wagon. Kush can you explain to me how you went from voting Fidei WITH Onegu D1 to voting Onegu WITH Fidei D2? I also really hate outlier votes and have caught scum that way, because scum wouldn't want to all be on the wagon if its a mislynch, like Scotts wagon. So I'm immediately suspicious of Kmatt and Shapelog. But I found a few townie brownies in your filter and Shape is apparently being replaced or modkilled so I won't get too much into that until next day phase, assuming I live. I'll probably go read Fidei and mderg and giygas tonight. 2) I won't go too much into this, since I don't know the setup. If we have a doctor, he could've been a medic dodge. If we don't, it could've been for his strong presence in thread and being TR by many. It couldve been for his reads. It could've been the possibility of him revisiting his wrong reads. There are too many possibilities and since I don't know the setup, and neither does scum according to the OP, its really hard to figure out the motive behind that shot. 3) honestly, I skimmed it and it was a bit hard to follow. A bit too much narrative for my taste, instead of concrete reasoning for why GBs actions and posts made him scum. And I really thought I was onto something with the lack of friction RE: the GB lynch so I let that take over my actions. I can go revisit it if you'd like but I don't remember seeing anything that was distinctly "damn he's right GB is scummy" instead of "well I've seen bad town GB do bad stuff before". I will admit, though, that might just be bias from playing with a bad town GB before XD also, what exactly were you thinking about the voting patterns? I'll admit I might have been having a bit of fun with my write-up. Still, there's one point I'd like to have explained by anyone at this point. I could tag most any of his quoted posts as being anti-town, but my biggest issue (which I'm honestly surprised that it seems to be overlooked) is right here: On December 31 2015 04:10 GlowingBear wrote:
I've wrote it before. I've played with scott before and he is capable of doing that as town. I'm not lynching him over people I'm fairly confident are scum, simple as that. (For context, he was voting on me day1) On December 31 2015 06:48 GlowingBear wrote:On December 31 2015 06:47 scott31337 wrote:
Im voting with Onegu instead Then I'm voting you Scott, sorry, but I have a stronger townread on him than you Now what in the hell was this. GB Believes me to be scum GB Asserts that Scott is town GB Declares that he would not lynch Scott over a stronger scumread (me) GB Drops his vote on a scumread(me) to intentionally vote Scott who he believed to be town, not because he believed Scott was scum, but because Scott was going to vote Onegu, who GB claimed he had a stronger townread on. Nevermind that Onegu had 0 votes to Scott's leading 4 at the time of the post. At least the other people on Scott's wagon claimed he was scum. GB doesn't even pretend to believe that. And we all know how that ended. That entire logic train leading to the vote switch was entirely anti-town. Well Shining has learned that he shouldn't lead lynch shenannies. This, plus the D1 lynch on a blue Kush lol. I'm saying this because I agree with this and feel I could've very well fucked up. I actually just mentioned this in one of my last posts. GBs vote looks rrally bad. But Scott was already in the lead for lynch so why would GB make himself look this bad by adding onto it and contradicting his own read? I do need clarification on one thing, though. I thought he was saying his townread on FID was stronger than his TR on Scott. Not his TR on Onegu > Scott. GB confirm/deny? Regardless it's not good logic for voting someone you said you wouldn't vote... GB doesn't apply to the 'too scummy to be scum' metric and I feel like you should know that. GB uses a lot of associative reads, was there anyone GB scumread on the scott wagon when he switched over? I was on the scott wagon and he had/has a strong scumread on me
Ah mderg already posted this. Yeaaaaa...ugh.
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