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On January 04 2016 07:13 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 07:11 The Shining wrote:On January 04 2016 07:10 GlowingBear wrote:On January 04 2016 07:07 The Shining wrote:
Well I fucked that. I can't even be mad at anyone but myself. Giygas, I'm pretty sure I know why but I just want to hear it from you. Why did you switch?
GB you were just saved. Start shitting townie rainbows pls? Super close lynch like this and I'm feeling like I chose wrong...bah I promise you I'm town this game and I didn't try to deceive you You answered the Fidei TR, thanks, but why did you have me as never lynch? No mafia asks for a replacement for being unable to play. They can use it to survive through days. People that ask for a replacement is usually town concerned of ruining other people's game.
So you think Shape is town, too? Don't you think it's also likely scum being unable to play would also ask for a replacement to not risk being modkilled and screwing over their scumteam? That feels NAI, at best, to me. I'm not sure it warrants a read either way. And I've def seen scum replace out before. Hm.
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On January 04 2016 07:15 Kmatt wrote:
Well. That was an interesting turn of events.
While I haven't given up my claim against GB (possibly even stronger now), Shining definitely got me thinking about the voting patterns. I had my suspicions about Shapelog but was hoping for the GB reveal to give me the info I needed.
I'm leaving for a while, and will probably spend most of the night phase working this out. And that's to say nothing of a potential NK.
I didn't directly answer your question before but I didn't forget about you.
On January 03 2016 11:18 Kmatt wrote:
Don't know if anyone else just noticed but TheCow has been replaced by The Shining. I had my theories on Cow, but since his "character" has been replaced more or less I'd like our "new" friend to weigh in on some current events. Obviously he should read the thread when appropriate, but for when he's finished:
1) Seeing the previous days' discussion in the context current death toll, who or what do you think the biggest factor in Scott's mislynch was?
2) Similarly, why do you think the mafia went for Irish on the first night? (technically if we have both a doctor and vigilante in this game then that might not have been the case but for the sake of argument I'll assume Irish's death was the mafia's doing) Did any of his reads stand out to you or did any arguments he put out seem to be catching on with the thread?
3) Could you weigh in on my GB case? Obviously my opinion on the matter is plain to see, so I'd like to see some other people bounce ideas off of it. Do you think I over-reacted or overlooked anything in my wall of text?
Granted, anyone is invited to answer these, but since I didn't get to see much from Cow before he left, I'd like a bit more insight from his replacement.
Irish flipped town and I have a pretty solid TR on NM, who are the first 2 votes on Scott. Irish also pushed this lynch pretty hard. I believe the lynch was a case of town adamantly pushing the town ML and scum having to do zero work on it. I wouldn't be surprised if there was only one scum on the Scott wagon and the rest were off-wagon. Like kush/noon. If i choose to believe GB is town, that leaves me with mderg/Fidei/Giygas as one of the scum on the Scott wagon.
Kush can you explain to me how you went from voting Fidei WITH Onegu D1 to voting Onegu WITH Fidei D2?
I also really hate outlier votes and have caught scum that way, because scum wouldn't want to all be on the wagon if its a mislynch, like Scotts wagon. So I'm immediately suspicious of Kmatt and Shapelog. But I found a few townie brownies in your filter and Shape is apparently being replaced or modkilled so I won't get too much into that until next day phase, assuming I live.
I'll probably go read Fidei and mderg and giygas tonight.
2) I won't go too much into this, since I don't know the setup. If we have a doctor, he could've been a medic dodge. If we don't, it could've been for his strong presence in thread and being TR by many. It couldve been for his reads. It could've been the possibility of him revisiting his wrong reads. There are too many possibilities and since I don't know the setup, and neither does scum according to the OP, its really hard to figure out the motive behind that shot.
3) honestly, I skimmed it and it was a bit hard to follow. A bit too much narrative for my taste, instead of concrete reasoning for why GBs actions and posts made him scum. And I really thought I was onto something with the lack of friction RE: the GB lynch so I let that take over my actions. I can go revisit it if you'd like but I don't remember seeing anything that was distinctly "damn he's right GB is scummy" instead of "well I've seen bad town GB do bad stuff before".
I will admit, though, that might just be bias from playing with a bad town GB before XD also, what exactly were you thinking about the voting patterns?
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Shapelog has been replaced by FecalFeast. Everyone say hi!
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47 pages lol what is this day 1?
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looks like my counterpart was posting early on did we just afk randomly?
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On January 04 2016 07:12 GiygaS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 07:07 The Shining wrote:
Well I fucked that. I can't even be mad at anyone but myself. Giygas, I'm pretty sure I know why but I just want to hear it from you. Why did you switch?
GB you were just saved. Start shitting townie rainbows pls? Super close lynch like this and I'm feeling like I chose wrong...bah I just wasn't sure on GB and then your point about where mafia was voting convinced me.fuckfuckfuckfuckfuck
This might sound like a dumb question but if this was the case, why did you vote him in the first place?
On January 04 2016 05:09 GiygaS wrote:
I would agree with this if you also included his mderg "read". I can see you ignoring it though as it wasn't particularly substantial. I think I'm going to vote GB, the case seems to hold up.
Until Shining appeared from what I was reading of your filter, you didn't seem to have a read on Onegu either though you had said you'd look at both filters.
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Hey FF. We meet again.
And we had an extended night cycle over New Year's, but Shapelog appears to have had RL issues even before he was replaced.
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On January 04 2016 07:56 Fecalfeast wrote:
looks like my counterpart was posting early on did we just afk randomly?
Apparently he's in the ER =/ go catch up and do stuff. I can read you sorta well most games. Make my life a little easier pls.
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On January 04 2016 07:22 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 07:13 GlowingBear wrote:On January 04 2016 07:11 The Shining wrote:On January 04 2016 07:10 GlowingBear wrote:On January 04 2016 07:07 The Shining wrote:
Well I fucked that. I can't even be mad at anyone but myself. Giygas, I'm pretty sure I know why but I just want to hear it from you. Why did you switch?
GB you were just saved. Start shitting townie rainbows pls? Super close lynch like this and I'm feeling like I chose wrong...bah I promise you I'm town this game and I didn't try to deceive you You answered the Fidei TR, thanks, but why did you have me as never lynch? No mafia asks for a replacement for being unable to play. They can use it to survive through days. People that ask for a replacement is usually town concerned of ruining other people's game. So you think Shape is town, too? Don't you think it's also likely scum being unable to play would also ask for a replacement to not risk being modkilled and screwing over their scumteam? That feels NAI, at best, to me. I'm not sure it warrants a read either way. And I've def seen scum replace out before. Hm.
Yeah I'll admit I don't like this response either - I can think of two games offhand where scum replaced out, Dark Tournament (Onegu for FF) and Himalayas which I obsed I know there was a mafia replacement and that replacement played really well, wound up endgaming infamously with Holyflare.
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On January 04 2016 07:58 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 07:56 Fecalfeast wrote:
looks like my counterpart was posting early on did we just afk randomly? Apparently he's in the ER =/ go catch up and do stuff. I can read you sorta well most games. Make my life a little easier pls.
I'm town no worries babe, I'm gonn assume this irish guy got NKed because he's pretty obviously town or he's a mastermind from another site
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Future reference:
day 1
Final Vote Count
scott31337 (6): Irishbound, NocturneMage, mderg, GiygaS, GlowingBear, Fidei86
Fidei86 (3): Onegu, nooniansoong, scott31337
nooniansoong (1): Shapelog
GlowingBear (1): Kmatt
Kmatt (1): TheCow, GlowingBear, scott31337
GiygaS (0): Kmatt, scott31337, Fidei86
Onegu (0): nooniansoong
day 2
Final Vote Count
Onegu (5): GlowingBear, nooniansoong, NocturneMage, Fidei86. GiygaS, The Shining
GlowingBear (4): Kmatt, Onegu, mderg, NocturneMage, GiygaS
GiygaS (0) GlowingBear
Not Voting (1): Shapelog
Starting point to look at context of votes. If I learnt anything from Newbie 17...thank you Trfel.
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On January 04 2016 07:59 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 07:22 The Shining wrote:On January 04 2016 07:13 GlowingBear wrote:On January 04 2016 07:11 The Shining wrote:On January 04 2016 07:10 GlowingBear wrote:On January 04 2016 07:07 The Shining wrote:
Well I fucked that. I can't even be mad at anyone but myself. Giygas, I'm pretty sure I know why but I just want to hear it from you. Why did you switch?
GB you were just saved. Start shitting townie rainbows pls? Super close lynch like this and I'm feeling like I chose wrong...bah I promise you I'm town this game and I didn't try to deceive you You answered the Fidei TR, thanks, but why did you have me as never lynch? No mafia asks for a replacement for being unable to play. They can use it to survive through days. People that ask for a replacement is usually town concerned of ruining other people's game. So you think Shape is town, too? Don't you think it's also likely scum being unable to play would also ask for a replacement to not risk being modkilled and screwing over their scumteam? That feels NAI, at best, to me. I'm not sure it warrants a read either way. And I've def seen scum replace out before. Hm. Yeah I'll admit I don't like this response either - I can think of two games offhand where scum replaced out, Dark Tournament (Onegu for FF) and Himalayas which I obsed I know there was a mafia replacement and that replacement played really well, wound up endgaming infamously with Holyflare.
Yeaaaaa I need to do serious soul searching on GB. Like I don't think I deserved a never lynch for being a replacement. It might have been a pocket attempt...and if it was, it was successful in time for the lynch. =/
And yeah I was thinking of DT, too, and also my first Newbie game ever here. The one where HtS rolled scum with Celestial. Iirc their partner replaced and they won =/
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page 15 and I'm bred of reading I have a couple posts that I didn't like but it'd be kinda silly to talk about shit that's probably been talked about already
so far I like NM(though he's pretty spammy which is annoying), kush, giygas
so far I don't like kmatt and fidei.
I have only looked at one filter which is kush's and from what I've seen of kush on this site and on OMGUS he can't really post the way he has been as mafia since he actually tried to get a towny lynched (onegu) rather than busing
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On January 04 2016 07:48 The Shining wrote:
Irish flipped town and I have a pretty solid TR on NM, who are the first 2 votes on Scott. Irish also pushed this lynch pretty hard. I believe the lynch was a case of town adamantly pushing the town ML and scum having to do zero work on it. I wouldn't be surprised if there was only one scum on the Scott wagon and the rest were off-wagon. Like kush/noon. If i choose to believe GB is town, that leaves me with mderg/Fidei/Giygas as one of the scum on the Scott wagon.
Kush can you explain to me how you went from voting Fidei WITH Onegu D1 to voting Onegu WITH Fidei D2?
I also really hate outlier votes and have caught scum that way, because scum wouldn't want to all be on the wagon if its a mislynch, like Scotts wagon. So I'm immediately suspicious of Kmatt and Shapelog. But I found a few townie brownies in your filter and Shape is apparently being replaced or modkilled so I won't get too much into that until next day phase, assuming I live.
I'll probably go read Fidei and mderg and giygas tonight.
This probably boils down to me not understanding this part of voting analysis but
(1) how are you sure scum didn't just pile on at the end, like what are you using to eliminate that possibility?
(2) how are you sure multiple scum wouldn't be caught off wagon?
Both plays seem suboptimal unless you are taking the route of considering this for a newbie game.
I'll need to re-read for full context, but...
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Wait who's the one who started the conversation about whether replacing is alignment indicative? that's scummy as fuck mod actions and replacements are not alignment indicative it's practically setup talk
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EBWOP, wait you're saying kush was off wagon? If I remember right from end of cycle, he was on a wagon of three against Fidei and tried to get people to vote Fidei.
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On January 04 2016 08:14 Fecalfeast wrote:
Wait who's the one who started the conversation about whether replacing is alignment indicative? that's scummy as fuck mod actions and replacements are not alignment indicative it's practically setup talk
Pretty sure that was GB.
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