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Vote Count - Day 3 GlowingBear (5): NocturneMage, GiygaS, Kmatt, nooniansoong, mderg mderg (2): Fecalfeast, Fidei86 Not Voting (1): GlowingBear At this time, GlowingBear is slated to be lynched. Day 3 ends in on Wednesday, Jan 06 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). The voting thread is here. Only votes there will be counted. | ||
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Vote Count - Day 3 GlowingBear (5): NocturneMage, GiygaS, Kmatt, nooniansoong, mderg mderg (2): Fecalfeast, Fidei86 GiygaS (1): GlowingBear At this time, GlowingBear is slated to be lynched. Day 3 ends in on Wednesday, Jan 06 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). The voting thread is here. Only votes there will be counted. | ||
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Vote Count - Day 3 GlowingBear (5): NocturneMage, GiygaS, Kmatt, nooniansoong, mderg mderg (2): Fecalfeast, Fidei86 GiygaS (1): GlowingBear At this time, GlowingBear is slated to be lynched. Day 3 ends in on Wednesday, Jan 06 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). The voting thread is here. Only votes there will be counted. | ||
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Part 1: (Co-)Hosting Most importantly, a huge shout out to kitaman27 for hosting this game, letting me co-host and coping with my PM spam! I sent kitaman27 a METRIC FUCKTON of PM's over the course of the game. Yes, I kept tally on how many PMs I sent kitaman27. Unfortunately I picked the wrong team to root for in the beginning and as such this game was kinda depressing to read. I also want to apologize for ranting up the Obs QT at some points. Personally I am not sure if I like m12 games, though. I guess there is a reason why most games are m13 or higher on tl.net. Part 2: What did make this game so painful?
Part 3: What to take home from this game Activity does not equal town Posting Walls does not equal town Inactive Thread equals scum win Never ever play in two games at once I really need to learn how to blue snipe Part 4: Shout outs Shapelog I really hope you get better soon and will be able to join us for future games! TheCow I liked your early posts. What the hell happened man?  Irishbound I promise that not every game is such a landslide victory and hope you will join us for future games as well.  DoYouHas You are like the Kmatt Damn solid first game. Keep this stuff up and you may get a best newbie nomination. MafiaMage Holy fuckin' hell. Your scum game in NSM 13 was pretty bad. This game you were town jesus AND lead your scum team. I am super amazed about that N1 blue snipe. Like I would have probably agreed that TheCow might be blue, but I would have been super hard to convince to RB him and not the KP target, cause possible Vet. Like I am shocked and amazed at the same time here. How the fuck did you manage to improve this much? Tell me your secrets, pretty please? Well, as I established DYH did a damn great job coaching you guys, but I think you stepped your game up on your own by miles, too. I loved how you tried to help Fword with his postings and kept him motivated, when he was starting to fall off pretty hard. There were some things in your play that were off and could have been picked up by the more experienced players, but I am not sure if I was only able to see them cause I knew your alignment. Obs QT was struggling hard to see that stuff. Might consider a most improved player nomination here. I will also drop some nice fun facts soon. So stay tuned! | ||
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Disclaimer: I love you all, despite the rant QT suggesting otherwise at some points. Warning: May contain some mild swear words. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On January 07 2016 07:18 NocturneMage wrote: obs qt is hilarious. She is utterly fuming. You have no idea. Artanis, she was reading the thread, she said I was biased. Yeah, for nearly the whole time you completely ignored the idea that Kmatt just might be newb scum. You did hard defend him kinda hard D1 from what I can remember and his D1 was pretty meh. | ||
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On January 07 2016 07:31 NocturneMage wrote: Cheers....and right back at you. You created a monster as you said...but now I think I might be just as afraid of you.  I am afraid of both of you. | ||
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On January 07 2016 07:34 NocturneMage wrote: Reading scumformation's QT.... I don't think he liked me either (At least not my spam.) Well, I know that the spam was part of your strategy and the thread was slow as hell most of the time, but in a few places it was too obnoxious. Especially that octo post thing. Otherwise I greatly enjoyed playing with you in NSM 17. In Dark Tournament I wasn't too happy about you replacing in for obvious reasons, though.  Looking forward to playing with you again, though after this game I kinda hope we end up as the same alignment. xD Though it would also be interesting to see if I was able to catch a MafiaMage. Or if I could get better a bunch as scum and give you a harder time catching me. | ||
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I am simply invested into these games a lot. Probably a tiny bit too much actually. But I hope my totally sane ranting was entertaining. <3 | ||
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On January 07 2016 09:32 Half the Sky wrote: Only other thing I didn't understand - the thing with town not realising it was mylo or debating GB's ignorance of that. A bit painful to watch that. Oh right. Was thinking of throwing this up for the biggest blooper or something. xD | ||
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On January 07 2016 09:51 Trfel wrote: I still say that this is another example of why you can't use stupid meta reads. NocturneMage played one game as scum and apparently it was really bad. He played his second game as scum and it was at least decent (I didn't read it ). Point made XDYeah. I think I might have to join the meta hater club at least when it comes to ppl that don't have much games played. | ||
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On January 07 2016 10:34 GlowingBear wrote: I've loved this. Rant QTs needs to be a thing Glad I was able to entertain. I will probably make a QT for myself for all the games I am very invested in, cause I need some place to vent/rant for those and I won't always have a scum or coach QT to do so. Not sure if all of those will be as entertaining as this one though. xD | ||
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On January 07 2016 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: The last part i meant the post Fidei made at the end of D1. There were two things that stood out: 1) He had 2 scumreads + Onegu as policy lynch. In a game where there is 3 mafia, that's it (or the conclusions should likely be that), but instead of making the conclusions he had 5 other players he NULLREAD!!! That should have rang some alarm bells in my opinion. 2) Another thing that stood out was his read on mderg (if i remember correctly). In his post he stated reasons for mderg being town (his scumreading GB and you) -- but the conclusion was "mderg is null because he is only pushing his top 2 scumreads"..... ???? Like, that is something where Fidei in my opinion makes two different conclusions based on same thing (town points for having two scumreads -- scum points for pushing them). + Show Spoiler + Mderg - I like his pressuring on Noon/Kush as well regarding D1. Someone said in the thread earlier that they lynch scum 60% of games D1. I don't think it's that high for me, but mderg is right that a successful d1 lynch for town reaaaaally fucks scum. He has a couple of short posts that give interesting insight (eg #376), but generally he seems pretty focussed on pushing his kush / GB association without looking wider than that. basically what i am talking about here is this; The green part is a "towntell" -- it's obvious from Fidei's wording. The non-colored part is 100% null, noone can consider that alignment indicative. So it only means Fidei HAS to think the red part is scummy (that cancels the townread he otherwise should have). And it makes no sense given that it is EXACTLY the same thing he gives townpoints to mderg. I wouldn't fault anyone for not scumreading NM, tbh he looked one of the most townie players in the game, at least for me. Kmatt was like... umm.. i don't remember much he posted, but i think he could have been caught aswell. I was just wondering why people let go of the scumread on Fidei (namely the people who wanted to lynch him on D1). Hell Onegu's whole filter is yelling "Fidei scumslipped" and while i think it's kind of a ridiculous to assume he in fact did (regardless of it is true or not -- you are never gonna convince anyone with that kinda case), it's even more ridiculous that he completely stopped pushing Fidei after D1 -- i would have probably lynched Onegu myself after that. Oh, Fidei was the one with 5 null reads at the end of D1? I remembered someone did this, but couldn't remember who. I agree that he should have been pushed/voted incredibly hard for this. edit: On January 07 2016 16:52 GiygaS wrote: Don't worry geript, now you come out of it thinking I'm somewhat decent at this game instead of utter garbage ^.^ @GiygaS: Don't be too hard on yourself. You had the right ideas in some cases and where like the only one really realizing that there was something really bad going on. But as I said, next game I want to see you having a bit more impact on the game and doing a bit more work, especially when you realize that something is off. I wish you had tried to use your coaching QT a bit more though, but I can also understand if you where trying to learn the game on your own. @geript Yeah, no problem RL happens to the best of us and RL is good at having a bad timing. | ||
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On January 08 2016 06:26 GiygaS wrote: Over 3 years now. I've only played a few rl games, going to try and boost my activity next game. If you are stressed for time, keeping notes can also help. Like note down the 3 first things that come into mind for each player and give them a rating. If you are stuck you can then look at their filters and compare to those notes. You could also try something similar to what geript did for his day 1 analysis, as in giving + and - points for points and making note of that somewhere. I will likely try and experiment with such things in my next games, since my current play style forces me to put tons of time into a game, since I have to constantly reread filters and stuff. | ||
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On January 08 2016 18:55 Rels wrote: Well I finished. fidei was easily catchable but well protected by NM. kmatt was super good starting D2. But his D1 should have get him lynched at some point (GB's points on him were super damning - especially this one). NM was sooooo townie, especially late game! He was catchable with association on fidei (fidei keeping NM in his null or scumreads is a big indicator) and on little things, but mostly on POE. I felt GB & mderg were obvious town D1, so with those out of the POE the game would have been different. scott & Onegu were good lynches though, so with no mislynch to afford + cop not checking anyone (and being roleblocked!!!! fucking WP) game was super hard for town. NM, being almost sure fidei was scum, here is why I scumread you. Gotta find that post in the obs QT. I 100% agree on Fidei and Kmatt. In my opinion NM did some strange stuff D3 that should have raised some eyebrows. Like scumreading someone because HtS did a similar play as scum ones. What kind of read is that? The way he defended Kmatt against GB had some strange points, because GB's were pretty good and NM kinda refused to even consider the possibility of Kmatt being a good scum newbie. He said D1 he "loathes to use meta". D3 he suddenly starts to read filters from old games. He also didn't follow up on a few of those filter read promises. I am not sure if I only saw this because I had perfect information, but if town had more paranoia and I think in mylo you should have a bit of that, they should have looked at him more closely. I don't think they could have lynched him of that. But there wasn't even the tiniest bit of suspicion. On January 08 2016 19:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Town was never going to win this game. You guys underestimate the influence of thread presence. Even if some of the townies got correct reads, the mafia just had a lot more presence and that alone can win you games. On top of that, especially NM played really well. Yeah. Just look at some of the statistics I posted. Especially D3, when a bunch of town where dead, the scum team was in full control of the thread. Activity is important. It just does not mean that the active persons are town per default. Additionally when I saw the night actions the scum team submitted I was like "okay this is 100% over". Before that I had a bit of hope that they would maybe catch Fidei or Kmatt. | ||
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On January 09 2016 00:06 Fidei86 wrote: I've really enjoyed everyone pointing out how badly I played. It has been an enjoyable process. Awww. I wub you. <3 Problem is that between MafiaMage's incredible improvement and Kmatt's surprisingly good performance in his first game ever, you stick out a bit. xD And town didn't even manage to catch you. So there is that. | ||
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