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On December 29 2015 10:47 scott31337 wrote: GB throwing out townreads like it's drunken Monday - hmmm... Okay, I'm extremely doubtful a newb mafia makes the post above with the information available. Maybe GB was right  You get a townlean for this Irish. I could possibly jump on this - but it's a big bag of joke/null for now... This Kmatt guy kind of does what I do - quote into notepad, post thoughts - I like this so far as well. I'll work on page 11 after the American Football game (or maybe halftime) Catching up. There are a few things I don't like about this post, some points were already touched on. Now there are a few things I already know about Scott, I've had two games worth experience with him, one was newbie 14, where I had a more comprephensive experience with him, and he was an easier (IMO) town read, the second was newbie 17 where he was mislynched day 1. He has made bad posts as either alignment. That said: (1) GB throwing out reads like candy - what is the actual (alignment) stance on that? Too easy of a read? Unusual for his gameplay? Looking at GB's filter, another thing I didn't like was him asking KMatt a question and not following up on it one way or another. (2) The read on me so it was a null opening. Doesn't say much. Any thoughts about the rest of my posts that would help resolve at least a preliminary stance? (3) The method of notetaking shouldn't be a reason to townread people (I mean look at Trfel, for those of you that know him), unless he's townreading him for reasons that wasn't clearly explained. This post alone would warrant a scumlean pending some explanation or follow up. | ||
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On December 29 2015 10:41 GiygaS wrote: The joke was forced in that I wanted to post to say "I'm here" basically, but didn't really have much to say. As for what I think about Irish, slight town lean. Only real suspicion is on GB atm for his very matter of fact town read (I agree with it to some extent but he was very confident in it so early which I thought was weird) and that weird first post. This is a tough call. I can't see scum drawing attention to themselves like this "yeah my comment was forced" but it did happen in Dark Tournament with disformation. I'm going to say (for now) possible but unlikely and don't feel this is a good reason to scumread GigyaS yet. The point of him not taking too many stances on the content that has occurred is valid though. That said, GigyaS if you can talk to us about GB, Scott, Fidei, and mderg it might help. | ||
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Are you voting Fidei because you actually think he's mafia or because you have a personal vendetta against him saying that you throw games all the time? Do you really think he's being unfair calling you useless when (from what I understand) you contribute dick all to the thread (especially day 1). If you think Fidei is mafia, what in that post actually makes him mafia? Knowing the things he's said out of game about you that statement is NAI to me and could potentially be town if you looked at it from the vantage point that he's trying to guide others (in this context, mderg) on how you should actually be read. | ||
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On December 29 2015 20:06 Fidei86 wrote: Hi all. Not many people in this player list I know at all. I know NocturneMage (Alex) pretty well - been in two games with him. Also Scott, GB and Onegu, though I think I've only seen town Scott and Onegu. Everyone else is basically brand new to me. Alex/NM's opening on me is the most NAI post I've ever seen - he and I always joke about lynching each other pre-game. I don't see how GB could have got anything from that post. GB have you played with NM before? The rest of GB's contributions are pretty ehhh as well. The only thing that sticks out to me is that the last time GB did a claim first post was Newbie XIV, where he was scum and claimed "not not doctor" or some such bullshit. Has anyone else noticed anything similar? The thing that irks me about Alex/NM's play is always his tone. I usually think when people type too formally it's a Mafia tell, because they're the ones concerned about things being out of place. But with him, that's just how he is. Maybe it's a doctor thing? Content wise, I liked his post at #202. I don't think it makes Irish scum at all, but this is how Scott plays. His activity is always up and down, and he basically has a "see say" way of playing town. He also has played a lot with GB afaik. If anything, I'd give Scott a slight TR. Null on Alex/NM though. Onegu has a horrible record of AFKing though D1 and then getting replaced. Ugh. I'm not going to hold my breath on that. I'm not sure what to make of ShapeLog. For an experienced player, the fact that like 80% of his posts are totally off topic would be a major warning sign. But since he doesn't have all that many posts, it could be that he's just feeling comfortable in the thread. As someone who is literally terrified of posting whenever I roll mafia, this is pretty towny to me WITH THE CAVEAT THAT IT IS FUCKING ANNOYING AND SHITS UP THE THREAD WHICH IS VERY ANTI-TOWN. Ahem. Don't spam posts please people. Alright, this post. I am assuming you think GB is scummy, which a lot of other people are sayign as well. Are you saying his claim could make him more or less mafia? I gave an explanation earlier of how it could be anti-town but not necessarily scummy. Also I don't understand by what you meant by see say way of town. I'm not sure your stance is reasonable from the perspective that you haven't played with a scum Scott before. How do you know his post couldn't possibly come from a scum perspective? The tone read on me is confusing at best. In Dark Tournament you compared me to a Jack Russell on meth because I was emotional and last game I admitted that I was playing emotionally because Trfel and Half the Sky were in that game and both of those players had me on full tilt all game. The existence of HTS in general will have me on full tilt in any game as you should know but as neither of those players are present do you think my current tone is unusual or makes me mafia? You said before that my current tone is what you'd normally expect of me. So the meta change really doesn't make sense to me. | ||
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You didn't play Nutcracker did you? Shapelog was like this there too. I'm just going to ignore the spam and focus on where he actually gives reads or alignment stuff. There was one set of reads where he said everything to him was NAI up to a post with GB which I really didn't agree with and I wasn't sure if initially he was trying to be noncomittal. From a wording thing the other thing was Shapelog saying that he was going to "wait for more content" which generally for a player I don't know well is a scum tell because scum generally play a more reactive game. | ||
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The existence of HTS in general will have me on full tilt in any game....do you think my current tone is unusual that it could potentially make me mafia (seeing as you've given me a null read)? | ||
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And that crossed out statement, are you inferring that could be another reason for mderg to be scum from your perspective? | ||
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On December 30 2015 01:15 Shapelog wrote: Onegu does whatever Onegu does. He expects everyone to follow him IMO like he is town jesus. Onegu could honestly mean to vote Fidei based off of no explanation or lack of explanation. When he was smurfing he was quite aggressive last game. But if i was to take off the meta glasses of mislynchs, I see either a horrible pressure vote or a troll vote IMO. I mean im guessing the "how about this" was to draw out a reaction of sorts. No the [S] was because i was being too trolololoing. Idc if he has problems with my playstyle (or hopefully my old play style). His opinion is his opinion And no i wasn't Afk, i went to grab my grits and it takes me a bit of time to type due to me misspelling every word and having to go back and retype it. This is really hard to tell at first, probably a troll vote, seeing Onegu's filter, also that Fidei has posted after that troll vote and has done nothing and Onegu in resurfacing isn't doing anything with the reaction so it's definitely not pressure I would say. Onegu not making anything of it is null at best, although trolling is something I would associate more with scum. The afk comment btw, was in reference to myself going afk, though, not you. | ||
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On December 29 2015 20:17 Fidei86 wrote: I don't understand your read on Gigya versus your read on ShapeLog. I read Gigya's thread and I agree with what you say - it's basically soft town reads on a couple of people based on activity with the rest OOC filler. But then, look at ShapeLog's filter. It's mostly the same, except three times longer. Can you explain this post when you can? You are saying that you agreed with the read on GigyaS, and thus you scumread him (????) but then you are making a like to like comparison to Shapelog who you are townreading? Can you explain if this affects your townread on Shapelog or whether it should because I don't otherwise understand what you are getting at here? | ||
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Could KMatt be scum (there's a post I'll draw attention to, it was the one where he drops the GB scumread, it could be scum backing down or dropping a read or it could be a townie new to the game lacking confidence) - sure. But you would think the townie thing to do particularly of a veteran player would be to engage or further engage him. Wishy washy filter? okay. Vote placed? Okay. Reaction test and explanation? Okay. What are you doing with either the reaction test OR the scumread? Nothing. ??????????????????? | ||
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It doesn't make any sense. | ||
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