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raynpelikoneet
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On December 14 2015 19:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why did you not consider them for D1 lynch then ? And why were you townreading them after their first posts ? Because they looked way better both of you and marv did (and Greymist) and there is only 2 mafia. Because their first posts sounded like something a townie would think, especially considering that is Artanis and rsoultin. | ||
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On December 14 2015 20:01 Rels wrote: I'm not convinced of the last sentence. And I don't like how they weren't there for deadline, but I can't deny them voting their partner and gtfo is super unlikely. Do you think the last scum has to be between GM and I ? I don't know yet. Most likely yes, but I would not count out the hydra. I believe there is a possibility they just afk'd because they thought marv is not coming back. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On December 14 2015 20:02 Rels wrote: I thought he would vote for me, the easy mislynch, if he was scum. So you didn't even read the posts he made at all? Do you realize marv was the easy lynch on D1? Noone else was. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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First his posting makes DP unvote him. marv himself is voting for DP at this point. I express my ocncerns and Rels, unvote marv and vote for Rels. This is what Greymist posts there: On December 14 2015 05:23 GreYMisT wrote: My issue here is that this post didnt come at the start of the game when you said "hey" after the day post. You obviously knew that the game was starting and that it was the weekend. You didnt make any effort to phone post and say, "yo guys cant post, sorry, will do it later" or anything of the sort. Why shouldn't I believe that you are scum marv trying to come in at the last second and sow a little chaos? After this marv addresses me directly and says he is keeping his vote his vote on DP. Then Greymist posts these posts: On December 14 2015 05:25 GreYMisT wrote: you've already gotten 1 vote off yourself On December 14 2015 05:29 GreYMisT wrote: DP has a point here marv, I filtered him and unless im missing something he said im suspicious, never that I was his choice of a lynch to follow you. Why him over Rels if this is the case? On December 14 2015 05:36 GreYMisT wrote: Well guys, we have an hour and a half to discuss marvs last posts, figure out if he is still the lynch, and if not find another. My first impression is that it seems weird that he alternates between having reads on DP and rels, but only wants to kill DP. what do you guys think about that? In the meantime im going to look at the other options for lynch. I'm no longer confortable with rayn as a lynch. Thinking about what ritani said about his meta, and clearing up that inconsistancy i thought i saw in his post allieviated a lot of my concerns. I am looking at rels and damdred atm because I am leaning town on DP. Now here the situation is the following; marv has made up his mind on the lynch. If Greymist is scum with him he knows this is the case since marv said he will leave, and left. - marv is voting for DP. Doesn't want to lynch Rels. - DP is voting for noone, and there is no guarantee who he will vote -- most likely Rels or marv, since regardless of his affiliation those are basically his options here. - I am voting for Rels (but at the time i am questioning other people aswell, since Rels is not around) - Damdred is on marv, soon to unvote -- no guarantee what he will do - Hydra is afk, no guarantee if they will come back or not, and if they do, what they will do In my opinion, in this case (assuming Greymist is scum here), he has to do something. He has to either align with marv (which marv has kinda done with him) and vote for DP or vote for Rels. I basically think there is no way Greymist wants to bus marv if he is scum here because the last minutes of the dayphase heavily contradict that narrative. What does Greymist do? Look at the last set of posts. Instead of doing EITHER of the "right" things (voting for DP/Rels) he decides to cast doubt on marv (even before that) and call DP town. Now i would understand this if Greymist was scum with DP, but that is impossible. At this point marv has made his play, and got people doubtful about if he is scum. At this point you need to hammer the lynch home as scum -- because you have been given the ammunition for doing that. Instead of doing that Greymist does the opposite. I don't believe he is scum. | ||
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On December 15 2015 00:53 Rels wrote: @rayn: I'm not convinced by that. The moment marv came back to the thread, he had one post stating "marv you're probably still scum", then found weird things in my filter and voted me with you all, then refused to switch back to marv even though he stated marv's posting spree wasn't alignement indicative. I literally just quoted four posts where he cast doubt on marv after marv came back to the thread.... In the end you can make the last argument you just did, but for anyone else it's not legit because if YOU are scum, then Greymist was JUST as right as everyone voting for marv. So yes, until your alignment is confirmed, that is WIFOM. | ||
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But i don't wanna be a dick so i am trying to look at it objectively. | ||
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On December 15 2015 00:56 Rels wrote: So if I'm town what you've just said doesn't mean anything anymore ? No, that means you have a point. The problem is the point cannot be proven. That was not MY point in why Greymist is town, it was YOUR point on why he is scum. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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You know i was fucking this close switching my vote back to you... And i am not sure at all it would have been a bad thing. | ||
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On December 15 2015 01:02 Damdred wrote: Rayn I do have an issue with that greymist part. He does cast doubt towards Marv, but he drops that doubt pretty quickly even though Marv basically ignored interacting with him. Also for someone who has doubts about Marv refusing to move back to scum Marv and looking maybe to go elsewhere other than Marv and rels is super strange. Like if he's doubting Marv why so staunch on rels? It doesn't make sense Okay Damdred, let me ask you something: How sure you were when you switched your vote and why, in final you made your choice? | ||
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Can you explain that as well as you can -- let it all come from your heart <3 | ||
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On December 15 2015 01:04 Rels wrote: OK if I'm not welcome here [...] Noone says you are not welcome here. I just don't find your reasoning quite compelling to be honest.  Rels you have to understand you are one (if not the biggest) of the main suspects right now, for all the people in the game. Regardless of your affiliation you can't really make cases based on "i know i am town so... then this and that" because it is just not believable at this point. Many times you have asked about things that have been answered already, instead you should go read again, maybe take a chill pill (i am not saying this in a bad way -- i just think your aggression is sorta.. "midless" at times). And find stuff that is good. That's the best way to convince ppl you are not scum if you indeed are not. Because at least i won't buy "this crazy guy must be town" cases as i know that doesn't apply to you. | ||
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On December 15 2015 01:07 GreYMisT wrote: And the reason for this was, at the time the chaos started, Marv said he was gone. There would be no more answers or conversations with him. I decided that voting Rels was a better play as I had a day's worth of information, while anything I had on marv was clouded by the fact that he was only here for a very minimal amount of time. What does the bolded part mean? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Since you admit yourself you misread a post, I don't understand why you think me questionning your logic on attacking rayn is a 3rd party defense rather than me finding something weird on your posts. Do you have an explanation ? Okay this is actually a really good point. | ||
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I'll be back before the eod. | ||
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Greymist, here is what i think Rels is saying. You said you scumread him for possibly trying to defend me. But you were still using that as a reasoning to scumread Rels after you had been pointed out that the reasoning (posts) where you based the read in the first place was in fact a misread by you. Therefore it would only be logical for you to re-evaluate your read on Rels, and NOT use that (faulty) reasoning to scumread him, because what he did -- or what his intention clearly was -- was actually (based on your own interpretation lately) questioning you for an illogical statement rather than defending me. Why did you do this? An exaggerated example for the same thing would be if X and Y claimed a doctor. You think X is scum over Y and we lynch X. X flips doctor but you still call Y town because they claimed a doctor. | ||
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