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On December 18 2015 23:11 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 18 2015 22:40 Rels wrote:On December 18 2015 22:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What? Why is shooting GM the best play for you? Cause he's doc and potentially (even if unlikely) didn't save you or Damdred N1. GM is safe kill. And, again, you would not be voting me if I was scum. Okay thanks, now i need DP's answer on this. DP -- a follow up question to this too; What is the best play for Rels in case he is scum? I think The correct play in a vacuum is to always kill The non CC'd doc. However; I think the best play for Rels was to shoot you. But, again, it's close. Like there are valid arguments for both sides, but you are far less likely to be outargued or swayed in your convictions than GreyMist I think.
Actually the best play for both me and Rels in case we are mafia is to no-kill.
But Rels or you not realizing this doesn't mean anything about anyone's alignment so we should just drop this discussion.
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On December 18 2015 23:15 Rels wrote:
marv and DP are scum.
marv is the lynch. marv starts posting. I am the lynch. marv deflects and pushes on DP. DP sheeps rayn on me.
If marv is lynched: DP look very good and I look super suspicious.
If DP is lynched: the game is almost lost for scum since marv is not a good enough scum player to survive two more lynches. (or, he's a too good town player to fake it as scum)
If Rels is lynched: LYLO. DP looks null. marv looks OK.
So it's a gambit. If DP is lynched for whatever reason marv lose the game right there. But the other cases are OK.
Your scenario here hinges around "if DP is lynched for whatever reason" which already assumes that DP was suspicious for people on D1, otherwise you should nowhere assume "if DP is lynched" is even likely.
Again we come to this, if you assume "if DP is lynched" is true, you assume DP was at least suspicious for people on D1 ---> in that case, if we mirror this to what I HAVE SAID, it makes sense for marv to NOT bus you, and try to lynch DP, no?
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On December 18 2015 23:23 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 23:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 18 2015 23:15 Rels wrote:
marv and DP are scum.
marv is the lynch. marv starts posting. I am the lynch. marv deflects and pushes on DP. DP sheeps rayn on me.
If marv is lynched: DP look very good and I look super suspicious.
If DP is lynched: the game is almost lost for scum since marv is not a good enough scum player to survive two more lynches. (or, he's a too good town player to fake it as scum)
If Rels is lynched: LYLO. DP looks null. marv looks OK.
So it's a gambit. If DP is lynched for whatever reason marv lose the game right there. But the other cases are OK. Your scenario here hinges around "if DP is lynched for whatever reason" which already assumes that DP was suspicious for people on D1, otherwise you should nowhere assume "if DP is lynched" is even likely. Again we come to this, if you assume "if DP is lynched" is true, you assume DP was at least suspicious for people on D1 ---> in that case, if we mirror this to what I HAVE SAID, it makes sense for marv to NOT bus you, and try to lynch DP, no? AND YOU ARE SUPER STUPID "DP LYNCHED" IS THE ONLY SCENARIO THAT IS BAD FOR A MARV + DP TEAM IF YOU SAY "BUT THE DP IS LYNCHED SCENARIO" IS EXTREMELY UNLIKELY, THEN THE OTHER TWO SCENARIOS ARE BOTH LIKELY, AND THESE TWO SCENARIOS ARE GOOD FOR A MARV + DP TEAM
YES WHICH IT IS ALMOST FUCKING GUARANTEED YOU ARE FUCKING MAFIA AND DP IS NOT!!!
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Like lite-fucking-rally Rels, here is the deal with that situation:
1) there is a starting point where people stand on other people when marv starts posting
2) what marv posts and why
3) what is the most likely outcome based on what marv posted, based on what did he do, and didn't do
Now, in your scenarios, where you give an explanation to (2) and come to a conclusion (3), it either contradicts (1), or the (3) is, based on your interpretation of (1) and (2) fucking bullshit compared to "marv would lynch Rels unless Rels is mafia" in comparison to what happened.
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On December 18 2015 23:19 Rels wrote:
How do you know scum can no-kill ?
I am not going to answer your dumb shit...
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On December 18 2015 23:34 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 23:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 18 2015 23:19 Rels wrote:
How do you know scum can no-kill ? I am not going to answer your dumb shit... You're lucky I have to assume you're town 'cause I would have tunneled the shit out of you if it was not LYLO.
That's it. I am never going to switch my vote.
This is just so fucking bullshit you cannot be town.
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Eh that's true. But you have done that in every game we've been in - gone at it with Rayn I mean. Even SOTW, where he ended up trusting you with the game. Rayn is easy to manipulate and you figured him out (hell, we laughed about it at length in the Mafia QT).
you can call this idiot after the game.
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I literally tried, in my every post on N2 and D3, to get a townie response from you Rels.
You have given zero. You have somethings to learn still, regardless of your alignment.
If i ask loaded questions for two fucking days straight and you manage to post zero posts where you towntell even a single bit, then you are probably mafia. And that is a fact.
You can mock me all you want but the truth is i fucking lynched mafia and you didn't. And you haven't played thatwell in case you are town. It is a fact.
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On December 19 2015 00:04 Rels wrote:
I think the way I play is obviously town
Obviously.
This is backed up by the fact that hydra thought you are scum, greymist thought you are scum, i think you are scum and DP thinks you are scum.
You're obviously playing so fucking townie. Please keep arguing how townie you have play because it makes total fucking sense.
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On December 19 2015 00:11 Rels wrote:
Not everybody though. Damdred was townreading me before he died.
Maybe you should have shot somebody else.
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On December 19 2015 00:15 Rels wrote:
Whatever though. You've played with me. I try to deflect the lynches off my partners; but I bus them if it's not possible to do otherwise, and I DONT TOWNREAD THEM IF THEY ARE SUSPICIOUS.
SOTW: Damdred AFK: D1 I deflect the lynch from him by saying "he will be checked". I get him lynched D2 to keep fidei alive + town cred.
Fidei: I scumread him starting D2.
Drams: I bus the shit out of Shining when Trfel starts to suspect him. SL is a potential scum.
Crossfire: my partner is in my lynch list the entire game.
Resistance: I scumread Artanis starting phase 2; I prove with meta that Xata is town, but I have a hard time calling him town.
Except you never townread marv and your read on him throughout the game was super fucking fishy. What you said after D1 makes no sense if i compare it to your actions on D1. I don't care what you did in other games. Especially since Resistance and the xfire game works very differently from normal mafia --> bussing your partner / at least one partner is the correct play for mafia in both of those games.
Drams: see where it got you? we figured the shit out of the game
SOTW: you only survived because town was fucking retarded.
wow.. that were those games.
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[QUOTE]On December 19 2015 00:19 Rels wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 18 2015 23:33 Rels wrote:
1: marv + Rels is the team. How do the rest of the game looks like ?
If Rels is lynched => marv look bad. Game is lost because marv is not a good scum player + is being suspected. BAD
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This is entirely incorrect and you should realize this is entirely incorrect since every other player in this game realizes this.
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EBWOP:
On December 19 2015 00:19 Rels wrote: Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 23:33 Rels wrote:
1: marv + Rels is the team. How do the rest of the game looks like ?
If Rels is lynched => marv look bad. Game is lost because marv is not a good scum player + is being suspected. BAD
This is entirely incorrect and you should realize this is entirely incorrect since every other player in this game realizes this.
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This:
1: marv + Rels is the team. How do the rest of the game looks like ?
If Rels is lynched => marv look bad. Game is lost because marv is not a good scum player + is being suspected. BAD
If DP is lynched => LYLO; marv and I, who were the two potential lynches, look super bad. A LITTLE BAD and UNLIKELY ANYWAY
If marv is lynched => It looks like both scum didn't want to vote for each other. I look bad. BAD
opposed to this:
2: marv + DP is the team. How do the rest of the game looks like ?
If marv is lynched: DP look very good and I look super suspicious. GOOD
If DP is lynched: the game is almost lost for scum since marv is not a good enough scum player to survive two more lynches. (or, he's a too good town player to fake it as scum). BAD but UNLIKELY
If Rels is lynched: LYLO. DP looks null. marv looks OK. SUPER GOOD
is wrong.
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On December 19 2015 00:22 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2015 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 19 2015 00:15 Rels wrote:
Whatever though. You've played with me. I try to deflect the lynches off my partners; but I bus them if it's not possible to do otherwise, and I DONT TOWNREAD THEM IF THEY ARE SUSPICIOUS.
SOTW: Damdred AFK: D1 I deflect the lynch from him by saying "he will be checked". I get him lynched D2 to keep fidei alive + town cred.
Fidei: I scumread him starting D2.
Drams: I bus the shit out of Shining when Trfel starts to suspect him. SL is a potential scum.
Crossfire: my partner is in my lynch list the entire game.
Resistance: I scumread Artanis starting phase 2; I prove with meta that Xata is town, but I have a hard time calling him town. Except you never townread marv and your read on him throughout the game was super fucking fishy. What you said after D1 makes no sense if i compare it to your actions on D1. I don't care what you did in other games. Especially since Resistance and the xfire game works very differently from normal mafia --> bussing your partner / at least one partner is the correct play for mafia in both of those games. Drams: see where it got you? we figured the shit out of the game SOTW: you only survived because town was fucking retarded. wow.. that were those games. I would have won Drams if not for the retarded role claim. It was an absolutely correct play. And I'm only proving that marv and I would have bused each other as scum.
maybe, maybe not. we would have 100% lynched shining or maybe even SL.
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On December 19 2015 00:25 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2015 00:24 DarthPunk wrote:On December 19 2015 00:23 Rels wrote:On December 19 2015 00:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:EBWOP: On December 19 2015 00:19 Rels wrote: On December 18 2015 23:33 Rels wrote:
1: marv + Rels is the team. How do the rest of the game looks like ?
If Rels is lynched => marv look bad. Game is lost because marv is not a good scum player + is being suspected. BAD
This is entirely incorrect and you should realize this is entirely incorrect since every other player in this game realizes this. What ? You really think marv could have survived 2 lynches in this high level town ? He was being lynched sooner or later; so the correct assumption to make here is that he did his best to give his teammate an advantage. I thought everyone was fucking retarded for not town reading you or whatever. Now it's a high level town. Yep. I'm only considered for lynch because my scum play is good.
That's not true.
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HOW CAN YOU EVEN FUCKING SAY YOU DON'T BELIEVE I AM TELLING THE TRUTH IF YOU DON'T THINK I AM MAFIA?!?!?!?
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