TL Mafia LXXIII: The Nutcracker

On December 14 2015 01:05 Half the Sky wrote:


Got you covered. GL with that exam!

On December 14 2015 01:40 GlowingBear wrote:


OHAI!

Welcome back!

On December 14 2015 08:12 Damdred wrote:
Hi I'm a Miller ls, how do I play this?

On December 14 2015 08:06 Koshi wrote:
##Vote Lightningstrike

brilliant. I actually said the same thing 2 games ago.

On December 14 2015 08:20 Damdred wrote:


My master plan ruined thanks to you ls. You caught me.

On December 14 2015 08:39 Damdred wrote:


You obviously!

Though shape is a good chance at town

On December 14 2015 10:30 Damdred wrote:
Let me tell you why you are totally wrong in how you are approaching koshi.

1) you say that koshi is going to be super lazy and you are content voting him because that's his scum meta.

In actuality you are right about his meta but dead wrong in your interpretation of what koshi said. If you read koshis post he clearly states he's going to focus on building cases and finding mafia. A clearly different thing especially since generally cases take a decent bit of effort which scum koshi lacks.

2) you say my post is terrible because you read koshi on his d1. Though you correct yourself by saying I said 24 hours.

In actuality I a aid we shouldn't bother koshi so that we can see what he comes up with. Since you know he said he would focus on cases and finding scum instead of spamming the thread.

....like I said give koshi space and some time see what he comes up with.

On December 14 2015 11:13 Sukrit wrote:


I am so much cooler than that shit eater.

On December 14 2015 11:25 GlowingBear wrote:


Sorry, why are you thinking about teams right now?

On December 14 2015 11:42 Sukrit wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477216-horn-of-africa-mini-mafia?user=Koshi

HolyShit. Look at this filter on page one. Anything look familiar?

On December 14 2015 11:53 Sukrit wrote:
Maybe^

On December 14 2015 11:57 Shapelog wrote:


Eh most of it is void now but in the moment I thought their conversation was a bit off,

Individually:
Damred: thought was weird to claim miler for obivs reasons.
LS: his reaction to Damred kinda felt planned in my head. Sounded and was timed almost like it was planned

So I thought "hey if i was mafia i could make it sound like a townie v townie and we can get off to a good start." Which now that i retype it and had time to think about it. Doesn't make that much sense until the follow up comments. But honestly seems really overthought.

They said they pulled a palmar on me..... still have no clue what that is

On December 14 2015 12:19 Sukrit wrote:
I am Palmar and claiming mafia...

On December 14 2015 12:25 Shapelog wrote:


Hey he's MIA... can't i capture it and get a reward? Turn him in for deserting the Royal Forums Army?

On December 14 2015 12:27 Shapelog wrote:
You never heard of Kwanza? like really?

I am sadden by this.

On December 14 2015 12:32 Sukrit wrote:



But Hanukkah has 8 crazy nights!

On December 14 2015 22:44 Koshi wrote:
Decent amount of posts about Koshi. Was I mafia in Horn of Africa? I don't think so. I can't read filters here.
Anyway.
Voting Kush cuz he won't be off any use it seems.

##unvote
##vote: Kushmasta

On December 14 2015 22:53 Rels wrote:
LS can I have a list of your reads ?

On December 15 2015 07:52 ritoky wrote:


this is a very bad post. clearly reading the thread, clearly hyper aware of the post limit, has a motive for not posting frequently; yet in his hello senpai post he elects to give no content of his own and simply defers all content to damdred. i noticed you, even if no one else did.

On December 15 2015 07:56 ritoky wrote:


you gave a 0 content town read on the guy spamming the thread who is probably never getting lynched on day 1 and whom the person who's opinion you're deferring to said he is never lynching day 1. it is the easiest read to just make offhand.

On December 15 2015 08:08 Rels wrote:

Nope.
Anyway going to sleep, see you guys tomorrow!

On December 15 2015 08:44 Damdred wrote:
Ls why should I not vote you ^^. Will be home to read and bomb soon

On December 15 2015 10:03 Sukrit wrote:



LS confirmed not reading

On December 15 2015 10:13 Tubesock wrote:


I missed you too brother!

I like Koshi. I think he's hilarious which probably clouds judgement. I shouldn't but I do like his "i'm not going to play" and then shortly after actually plays. I guess it's why I'm not towning Sukrit either. Since we obviously disagree on that point. I do like his attitude to lynch Rels (although I'd personally wait on him). While I think Koshi probably has balls to do this as mafia, I think the circumstances this game make it a high risk low reward play.

I can't tell if Sukrit is pressuring or searching for momentum for a lynch. I think the initial vote on you was pure pressure (duh) but I don't think that's true about his vote on Koshi. He seems to believe Koshi really is mafia. He then voted TT for pressure and now is talking about Shapelog as the lynch. I am tending to think though that if it wasn't for his "certainty" if you will about Koshi I probably would like Sukrit.

On December 15 2015 10:30 Shapelog wrote:


Sure. At least i can try too. I do it in a list too. I love lists for the most part.

GigyaS: Null for the most part. Waiting for him to get back from studying and what not. The few posts he has posted have been decent (more towards the begaining of the day.) Still waiting for his response about me (i'm selfish) (nvm TT responded)
Koshi: Improved, I wouldn't mind putting him as town atm. Hasn't done anything scummy (some light stuff at the beginning, but that about it.) But i think he should build a circle of love.
Rels: I gotten a Town vibe from him, But not enough really. His LS push felt townie since for the most part it was out the window. Gotten to read D1 from dark tourney, not sure 100% yet about the whole thing yet.
Tubesock: 2 posts, but 1st post was ok. Waiting to see more.
GB: No Clue
Vivax: MIA
Surkit: Aggressive, pushes for little to no reasons. Getting a scummy feel off of him. Also involves Koshi when i point him out about TT and how I didn't push Koshi when he did and what not. I mean he's ping ponging from person from person, never really staying on a person except Koshi. Now is on me. Would be in head for 1st day lynch.
Kush: Null for now. Pretty sure GB said he was scummy; Don't agree with GB but i not defending Kush.
Shapelog: About to get drunk for no good reason.
TT: Don't really have a full blown case on him. wished he didn't defend damred earlier on but still. Seems concern about the game. Kinda had a scummy lean/feel on him, mostly from my gut. Gut is where my shit is, so this may be shit.
Ritoky: Called me town, defended(ish) me as town. Then left. Do not know why he is doing this. I mean i like it sense I am town. Maybe he really likes my plays or something, idc/idk.
LS: Town vibe, rereading dark tourment. Rels did bring a good point thou. However, still like his early game and his jokingness. Also Yelling about voting seems about right.
Damred: Null leaning town, most posts are NAI but time is telling.

Mostly i'm just waiting. except for Surkit.

Shall rethink in shower

On December 15 2015 11:19 Sukrit wrote:



Yes it is completely different then town omgus because his reason is completely false.

On December 15 2015 11:40 Sukrit wrote:



So if I am right you wont take them seriously? I dont have one on him yet I am waiting for his bomb to read.

On December 15 2015 11:51 Sukrit wrote:



This one

On December 15 2015 18:42 ritoky wrote:
because him saying shit like that to pocket LS for the entire game as mafia isn't outside of his wheel house. and from my experience only women on TL have the magical 100% LS read that you always trust. so unless damdred suddenly became a lesbian...

On December 15 2015 19:04 Koshi wrote:
I haven no clue on how good Damdred can read LS. I also don't give a fuck about it. He can be wrong.

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1) Weak that you lose your suspicion of LS due to 1 capslock sentence. But I can see it possible coming from town Rels after waking up.
2) I really don't see how it makes him mafia. GaygiS Khan never claimed he is certain you are mafia, he admits it is a bit of a pressure vote as well. You are/ were not a bad place to put a pressure vote on. I liked the play.

On December 15 2015 15:45 Tubesock wrote:
I didn't notice the time change. I think LightningStrike kinda falls into the Chezinu Rule (weird posters get attacked by mafia since they are so easy to lynch). I really didn't like how he came in scummed LS and bailed. Koshi has good points on him too. Plus, maybe he will spew townbows.

##Vote: Rels

On December 16 2015 04:41 Vivax wrote:
I'm used to LS and Damdred trying to read each other at the start of a game, iirc. Why didn't it happen LS? You also seem pretty comfortable being on the sidelines.

On December 16 2015 05:41 Rels wrote:

More talking about the way he plays than his activity though.

On December 16 2015 06:02 ritoky wrote:


kush - had the tr on me at the right time, had the gb read at the right time, told koochi to go fuck himself.

LS - historically women on these forums read him with near 100% accuracy. it isn't a joke or an exaggeration.

rels - i coached rels and in doing so i developed a method of reading him, it doesn't work until day 2 or later so i am confident in my ability to discern his alignment late game.

On December 15 2015 21:11 LightningStrike wrote:

I had fooled HTS and Tina(rsoultin) once in JOAT already when I had rolled scum and they townread me. Also Damdred does know how to read me very well except when he's scum ofc. In both of his scum games vs me before I took a break from mafia, Damdred called me scum for stuff that didn't make me scum.

On December 16 2015 06:52 Damdred wrote:
Yes we have over an hour left. .

On December 16 2015 06:56 Damdred wrote:
I kinda think rels is scum actually.

On December 16 2015 07:14 Damdred wrote:
Hrm

I'll have to look st context tommorow then see what happened.

I can't lead a lynch this far behind in an hour. So I see people want me, GB or kush correct

On December 16 2015 07:52 Sukrit wrote:
LS Kush is a terrible lynch.

On December 16 2015 07:54 Tictock wrote:
Guys can we lynch LS kus he was TMI about Damdred? I know it's last min but do we have enough?

On December 16 2015 07:55 Tictock wrote:
Oh lol n/m SOrry Koshi

I fail at reading, I thought it was LS kus of the caps, lol.

On December 16 2015 08:20 ritoky wrote:
if you wanna claim mason with LS then just do it already damdred.

On December 16 2015 22:13 Tubesock wrote:
LS what do you think so far of the game? It's been awhile since you've given reads.

On December 16 2015 22:44 Tubesock wrote:
LS, if Damdred didn't bother reading you, what would you think of him? you don't like Kush much why is it good he tried to steer off the lynch?

Is your list towniest to scummiest?
Does Damdred as mafia do crazy eod plays?

On December 17 2015 07:23 Shapelog wrote:
I still not sure yet about Kush and GiygaS Khan. Need to really dig deep and read them, and their association to Ritkoy (who i would par them up with as mafia.) Idk, I feel like I am tunneling, but also feel like I am getting somewhere with this. pffff, just wait till Day 2 and see who gets shot. Hey LS, have you been following this train. And if so, whats your opinion?

On December 17 2015 07:42 Shapelog wrote:


Well played sir, That Korean Hype Train was cool. God 1 Million dollar prize pool for a e-sport. never made me more happier to be a gamer in my life! + Show Spoiler +

And the Train i Meant was If Ritoky is mafia because of hard town read on me blah blah blah (im too tired to explain it) which has become something big. Like it was my second and third conspiracy theory. ( it was spoilered because if not I would be at 7 page filters with 2nd and third theory)

On December 17 2015 10:29 kushm4sta wrote:
Just read through LS. Not good.

I don't see anything remotely townie in his entire filter.
0 real scum reads.
A lot of talking about past games which is a common respite for scum.
His only real content post:

Lots of vague reads.
I'm town because of "shannies at eod"..dunno what the logic might be behind that.
Vivax scum because he is doing jack shit..ok but a very easy, lazy read.

Anyone townreading him or got some meta they want to explain?

On December 17 2015 11:24 kushm4sta wrote:
I don't want to fight you bro. I'm not sure you're town is all. Damdred town read you so you are probably just a low content poster?
Why should I read you as town?

On December 17 2015 12:34 Shapelog wrote:
I check the Quote spelling. Correct
Tried breaking it up. Little sucess
And that read took all that was in me out. Damm, if only we had a way to Contact R1CH and tell him to up the quote limit so the server can process all of the requests. Or maybe put in a set in stone limit idk.

On December 18 2015 03:35 Shapelog wrote:


Sorry your getting sick LS, worse time of year for this crude. Hopefully you can dodge it.

On December 18 2015 04:13 Shapelog wrote:


Ah, well then i hope your family good luck and a quick recovering for the ones who are sick.

On December 18 2015 04:56 kushm4sta wrote:


Shape comes out top a little bit better? This means what for both of their alignments?

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On December 18 2015 05:14 Shapelog wrote:


I really think Koshius is doing what he did in Haunted mansion but i am not going there. I find it strange that he has 4 possible people his scum team. But is really only focusing on Kubrels atm (like me and TT did to Rikoy). And the only time he mentions Damdred is to put them together as a scum team, which doesn't make sense tbh. Maybe it is next level strats to Call your own mafia team mate out during lynching and make a scum case against them. Heck, Kush-lush-fush and Surengto makes more sense then Damdred for a scum team with Kubrels IMO. Surengto pushes Damred bomb to attention (maybe was even suppose to make the case) and Rels follow up. I do not think Rels knowing it was him early on is any indication that Rels is mafia. I thought it was a joke Rels made to irradiate Koshius. So out of the four, I personally think if i had to choose a 3 men team it would be Kubrels/Surengos/Kush-lush-fush.

His Reaction and that whole train of hate kinda felt unnecessary. I do not like it when two players interact like that. I mean I did it too in my WoT a bit too, so I done it too. But the whole "Back.Off.Mother.Fucker." and crap i actually skipped. I didn't want to hear a pissing match, I want to see posts that help. Tried to approach Rels in a better manner(ish) after my WoT.
Kinda cements Town for Koshius through (unless he is scum and realized his laziness was to much of a tell).
P.S. at page 11 in his filter but i got interrupted and can only remember his concern over Skys non-flesh posts and stuff (I.E. day 1)

On December 18 2015 05:32 kushm4sta wrote:

oh why's that?

On December 18 2015 09:20 kushm4sta wrote:
Why are you so sure koshi....
This is omgus but is koshi possible mafia? I really don't want to read his filter,

On December 18 2015 09:33 Damdred wrote:
I'd be willing to lynch Damdred first I really don't care

On December 18 2015 12:00 Tubesock wrote:


Do you understand me?

You only say Rels looks worse after Shapelog. Are you scumming him or is he still town? Do you think Shape is town now? I'm having trouble following your thoughts.

Who are the people you are most interested in? Why?

On December 18 2015 14:53 Tubesock wrote:


Tell them hi, I miss reading their games.

Ok, well is there anyone you are interested in? Who are you thinking about? I'm assuming "he" is Rels, what about Shape?

On December 19 2015 03:17 Shapelog wrote:


I have use my 100th post which i already had set aside for a blog. And 250th. And prob. 1000th in another game lol.

On December 16 2015 08:00 Blazinghand wrote:


GlowingBear (5): kushm4sta, ritoky, Koshi, Vivax, tictock
kushm4sta (4): Koshi, GlowingBear, Rels, Shapelog, LightningStrike, Damdred
Tictock (2): Sukrit, GiygaS, GiygaS, Koshi, Shapelog, Vivax, Sukrit
Rels (1): Tubesock, GiygaS
Vivax (1): damdred
GigyaS (0): Koshi, Rels, TicTock
Koshi (0): Sukrit, Sukrit
Damdred (0): Rels
Shapelog (0): Sukrit
Sukrit (0): Shapelog, Koshi
ritoky (0): kushm4sta
LightningStrike (0): Sukrit, Koshi, Shapelog, Rels

Not voted (0):

The Stahlbaums will exterminate GlowingBear tonight.
Day 1 ends in on 23:00 GMT (+00:00).

The voting thread is here.
Only votes in the voting thread will be counted.
Please mind the deadline. Failure to vote will result in a modkill.

On December 19 2015 03:38 Shapelog wrote:


I like Kush-Lush-Fush newer posts. I like how he called u scum (ik weird) But i really have to dive through his filter to see my position on him. (Future goal, no null or unsures for list at EoD)

On December 20 2015 00:49 LightningStrike wrote:
kush what if I told you that sometimes Onegu's reads are terrible lol,

On December 20 2015 04:29 Sukrit wrote:



What if in recent history you checked whose reads were most correct you would find out it was me. I dont make cases I just find and tell you who is mafia.

It is a gift and a curse



The way I figured this smurf would be found out was if you google the word you find that it is a Thai name. It is my son's middle name. As I believe I am the only person who lived in Thailand for 3ish years and has a Thai wife figured that would have given me up.

On December 20 2015 09:37 Damdred wrote:
Maybe?

On December 20 2015 10:02 Damdred wrote:
I suppose what do you want to know

On December 21 2015 02:59 Damdred wrote:
No ls remember when gb red checked hf and we didn't lynch him and lost the game? You take the ducking red check and go to the next day.

You don't take the big play you take the right play.

Don't be a moron.

And look at sha trying to,discredit me for doing the correct thing

On December 21 2015 06:46 Damdred wrote:
And tubes posts scream scum to me now...

So he's the only blue that we know of in the game currently, what's the point of even saying what if Tt is town here?

On December 21 2015 06:59 Damdred wrote:
So ls what's more of a res check now. Tracking someone to the person hit with a kp or someone using a role ability coming back rb.

Heck we don't even know how many presents were in game, obviously one was used to kill kush.

On December 21 2015 07:12 Shapelog wrote:


Quoting to remember... Speaking of which..



So TT never did this. Koshi didn't do a circle of town. And Damdred never bombed..... Disappointing.

On December 21 2015 07:14 Shapelog wrote:


For a second.... I thought this was a mason dumbtell. Then i realized u two would of reveal by now prob.

Like anyone claiming Mason's is not to be trusted

On December 21 2015 07:24 Shapelog wrote:


Hahahaha True. Did u at least try to fight for it.

On December 21 2015 11:22 Tictock wrote:
Damdred, can you talk to me alittle bit more about the setup stuff?

Like I get the low chance that wanderer has to wander into the NK. What makes you so sure about the number f wanderers though?

On December 22 2015 02:51 Vivax wrote:
oh its lylo? Im blue but dont wanna claim until after this night at least.

##Vote Sukrit

On December 23 2015 02:35 Damdred wrote:
Considering he's a forum mafia newb I can have a bit of leeway with that, if you want to convince us he's scum lying on tt than you need to find something else

On December 23 2015 03:00 Onegu wrote:
Ok I am bad. But game is figured out.

TT, LS.

With TT godfather.

On December 23 2015 04:59 GiygaS wrote:

Probably Damdred but I'm not confident in that at all

On December 23 2015 04:54 Damdred wrote:
Oneg dumb telling all over the thread.

I think I have it figured out though

On December 23 2015 08:13 Damdred wrote:
LS was it to get a read on koshi or to get one on me? XD

But yeah the reasoning why Tt is scum is because when ls and sh moves to Tt scum didn't follow to hammer or vivax didn't move to make it close enough.

But yeah Tt is the lynch

On December 23 2015 08:16 Damdred wrote:
LS you played it perfectly well sorta I think Tt was the lynch anyway so might of been able to,wait till lylo but good job this time.

On December 23 2015 08:19 Shapelog wrote:
Gj LS Btw.

So today we dedicate to finding last scum......

I think it is Onegu. Wbu?

On December 23 2015 08:16 Tictock wrote:




NO!

F my Life.

On December 23 2015 08:41 Tictock wrote:


Not for me, besides...

This was all that's left of the seal

On December 23 2015 10:53 Shapelog wrote:
Can mafia actually concede btw? Like is that legit?

On December 23 2015 11:04 Shapelog wrote:


Do they get a big form to fill out?
If not then if i ever host a game i make mafia fill out a pointless form.

On December 23 2015 11:06 Shapelog wrote:



Lol....Still holding on onto the Koshi/Shape/Damdred team huh?

I guess Two wrongs does make a right............

Oh wait, Damdred was checked against Koshi and they came up the same alignment :O

How shocking! I mean Onegu read the thread before you just post something that makes no sense. It will help your scum game.

On December 23 2015 11:30 Shapelog wrote:


Oh yeah your right. Damdred could be mafia, But he has been going against TT and Onegu and TS to a degree so i doubt it. That said he also agreed with me about Vivax being easy mislynch. Idk i read his filter too, but right now he is at the bottom of the possible scum list
TBH either me or you are dieing tonight.

Hey can we BM mafia to conceding?

On December 23 2015 12:18 Shapelog wrote:


*sigh* there is that name again.

I swear someone should make a term analogy thread for mafia. So newbies know the slang. Hell i might do this..... Yeah just send me (after game ofc) any terminology and with permission i will write a guide to it. Would help newbies like me.

Could u explain to me what that metric is?

On December 23 2015 13:20 Shapelog wrote:
Surkit what does the BS meter say about his Scum Level?

On December 23 2015 22:41 Rels wrote:

Don't know. They played super well, but no way they would have won easily. TS was scummy + claiming a rolecheck on N2 was super suspicious (it means that someone made the decision to give him a present EOD1).
TT got screwed by track + check though p: but only one was enough to get him lynched.

On December 23 2015 22:43 Rels wrote:

No prob about the lynch, given my low involvment it's my fault.
What did you find scummy about my reaction to Shape's case though ?

On December 23 2015 22:48 Rels wrote:

I just said that his case was a bunch of narratives with no proof of anything, which it was. p: I reacted a lot more violently to TS' case which was super bullshit.
I agree that me not doing anything but defending myself was a scum indicator though.