TL Mafia LXXIII: The Nutcracker - Page 48

Shapelog

United States5185 Posts

December 17 2015 22:41 GMT

#941

On December 18 2015 07:30 Koshi wrote:
I am pretty sure Kush is mafia. It will just be Damdred/Rels/Kush

Sooooo you did change or just now changed from your bolded team. To your bold team minus Surgeno for Kush?
Or am i being crazy. I mean if you did it's fine. I wasn't sure with my earlier post if you still was with the same team.

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

December 17 2015 22:41 GMT

#942

What is the lowdown on the case against Rels?

I saw Koshi and Shape saying his reads are too convienent. As in they either flow with thread sentiment or are OMGUS based.

Am I missing something or is that it?

Sorry I should just reread the cases myself, but Rels hasn't really pinged my radar too much besides some of the meta cases.

I'll review the stuff between Rels and Tube as I dont have any read on Tube yet besides him seeming more egaged today.

Shapelog

United States5185 Posts

December 17 2015 22:47 GMT

#943

On December 18 2015 07:41 Tictock wrote:
What is the lowdown on the case against Rels?

I saw Koshi and Shape saying his reads are too convienent. As in they either flow with thread sentiment or are OMGUS based.

Am I missing something or is that it?

Sorry I should just reread the cases myself, but Rels hasn't really pinged my radar too much besides some of the meta cases.

I'll review the stuff between Rels and Tube as I dont have any read on Tube yet besides him seeming more egaged today.

Pretty much tbh. And the fact that every time we mention it (at least for me, Koshius and Kubrels got into a pissing match, which brought forth a Host reminder about behavior.) When ever i mention it, he would bring up something about LS and how he was towning him and stuff. Like he was dodging. Got pissy with me after their match (which i am ok with, tbh my behavior while reading his case was a bit harsh. Comparing it to hell and all.)

But best to read it yourself and the comments made about it.

Shapelog

United States5185 Posts

December 17 2015 22:48 GMT

#944

Wow its amazing what happens if you type something, make a sidenote, and then end up typing it again. "and the fact every time we mention it, he would...." is the correct thought process

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

December 17 2015 22:49 GMT

#945

On December 17 2015 13:44 GiygaS wrote:
Gonna back off shape for time being after his recent activity. Still don't have him as scum but he's not my first choice (still tt in my head but I'll have to go over filter tomorrow to see why everyone else has changed their mind on him, his cases EoD1 didn't seem all that great)

Are these your only reads still?

And are you backing off Shape just based on his activity or was it something more specific?

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

December 17 2015 22:55 GMT

#946

On December 18 2015 07:48 Shapelog wrote:
Wow its amazing what happens if you type something, make a sidenote, and then end up typing it again. "and the fact every time we mention it, he would...." is the correct thought process

It's cool I could understand the general flow of your post.

The nicknames are getting a bit ridiculous and hard to follow though...

Anyways, that is a bit unusual from Rels but it doesn't make him confirmed scum like Koshi was saying. I mean I've had a tendency to let OMGUS influence my reads (see Rit) more than I should so that in itself is fairly NAI.

Still I'll devote some time to looking that stuff over tongiht.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

December 17 2015 22:55 GMT

#947

On December 18 2015 07:28 Tictock wrote:

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Kush who is your top scum right now?

D1 you were very quick to vote and pushed GB while ignoring a lot of the game.

Today I see you going around giving out townreads.

I was not ignoring d1. I simply had no time. Gb wasn't acting townie so I wanted him dead.

I don't have a top scum read. Yes I have a bunch of town reads. Some of them may be wrong. Also I have not filtered anyone yet. After i filter everyone you will get a proposed scumteam and i can tell you how certain the read is on each.

Tubesock

United States2726 Posts

December 17 2015 23:00 GMT

#948

On December 18 2015 06:39 kushm4sta wrote:
tubesock i just realized you put my in a position of hard defending damdred when my townread of him really isn't super strong. Especially him asking for 3 filters isn't really that townie. Also I am rethinking his case on rels, now that I myself have read rels and don't really agree.

Do you have strong reads?

Are there specific parts about Damdred's case that you don't agree with? Is it that you don't agree that it's mafia motivated? Or that it happened at all? Rels says to every argument about him is that it didn't happen or a lie or something similiar.

you don't scum Rels for backing off LS for weak reasons. Fine. Of the 5 ish people Rels scummed 2 of them were not OMGUS. LS which is a really easy target and Damdred who people already mentioned wasn't playing townie. Both easy targets and with crowd sentiment.

You think that is towny behavior or it didn't happen?

I think Rels exaggerates his case points to "sell" them to the crowd and when no one buys he simply moves on. Sure there is a line where Town X cases Y and the rest of town doesn't bite so they move on to be productive. Do you really think that is Rels here? He moves on to his next OMGUS here. Do you see him trying to solve the game? I'll even give you the LS thing as an attempt, but seriously does mafia not fabricate emotion to show they care and are towny? Is using Caps Lock really that difficult to fabricate? LS is definietly smart enough to figure out that, I don't care if he has not done it before. Rels knew he would be up against Koshi and Damdred at the very least. This was way early in the game. This is before he knew if Damdred would be normal or lazy. You're basically saying it's too stupid to be mafia.

For example he says:

On December 15 2015 08:05 Rels wrote:
I stayed up for posting this. I thought the deadline was 1 hour earlier.

Here is LS filter from the game I just played, in which he was town:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/498635-dark-tournament-mini-mafia?user=LightningStrike

Here is his filter from this game:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/499399-tl-mafia-lxxiii-the-nutcracker?user=LightningStrike

It's a schocking difference. LS as town in dark tournament mafia posted reads, questionned stuff and overall looked to solve the game. In this game, he had NO game-related post until I asked him for a list of reads.

I think this guy is scum.
##Vote LightningStrike

you can't tell me with a straight face that the underlined bold is not selling the case. We can argue about if it's town or mafia motivated sure.

He also said:

On December 16 2015 05:24 Rels wrote:
I also heavily dislike tubesock. Almost only questions and no direction in his filter. His only scumread is I, and it's a non-assumed vote:

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Just sheeping giygas and this little sentence: "Plus, maybe he will spew townbows." I don't like that.

I may need a definition of sheeping. But I think if he had actually looked at my filter (which was probably still at 1 page) he would have seen I was sheeping Koshi. Even that I think is argueable but I was certainly not sheeping GiygaS. Yes, his input put me over the top and made me feel pretty comfortable about voting Rels. Rels again is exaggerating to sell his case.

On December 17 2015 06:19 Rels wrote:

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On December 17 2015 05:07 Tubesock wrote:

On December 17 2015 00:09 Rels wrote:
This TS case on me means he's probably scum. He listed a bunch of reasons that don't make me scum; two of which are so obviously NAI that if he had thought about them for 10 seconds he wouldn't have writtent them; and the first reason doesn't make sense.
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On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
Rels There is a lot I don't like. I really dislike how he targeted LS and once LS went half caps lock Rels backed off. To me it looked like Rels was backing off from a fight which I don't think town Rels does.

You semi townread LS for the exact reason I do. But for some reason it makes me scum because "town Rels doesn't back off fights". Well, I don't often back down fights as either alignements, as you should know since apparently you read one of my scum game.
So I have two problems with town!you believing the above:
- Scumreading me for townreading LS based on a caps post; but at the same time half townreading LS for said post
- Saying me backing off fights is my scum meta when you say you've read a scum game of mine

On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
The next thing he does is finds out Onegu's smurf. I clicked the link, it was page 46 of a 134 page game. There's got to be some easy way to do that I can't really believe he went through the database to wade through games.

Are you insinuating I'm scum with Onegu ? 'cause that is the only way I could had "cheated" on that; if I was scum and he was town, I wouldn't have an easier way to find the info than if I was town.
If the answer is YES; it's inconsistent with your Onegu townread, so I won't consider it.
If the answer is NO; as proved above, this is not alignement indicative. So you wrote something that look good but has no impact of my alignement in a series a reason as to why I am scum.

On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
Shit I went through LS games to see if he did the scum/town bold thing and that took forever. (0 instances of his scum games, 4 instances otherwise not counting this one).

What are you talking about, and why is this not in the LS explanation ?

On December 16 2015 23:06 RtaniSoul wrote:
After he backs off LS, I vote him and he goes sort of after GiygaS. Later he cases Damdred then really dislikes me. So everyone of his attacks is against a lurker and OMGUS's.

1 - even if it was true, so ?
2 - you coincidentally forgets that I was OK lynching TT until he looked better at EOD.

On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
I think he opportunisticly exaggerates. The shockingly different games of LS, how he is my only scum read even though I clearly was suspicious of others earlier but I didn't use the magic X person is mafia (funny I never said that about him either just voted). I think he exaggerated Damdreds meta. Damdred doesn't always play the same. If he did then I would think the veterans here would say they read him well or immediately.

I've said what I thought. You agree with the facts as seen by your part on Damdred, you kinda disagree with the conclusion. I don't see how I can be opportunistic when you don't find Damdred town; please show me where I'm opportunistic BTW.

On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
I also feel like he knew GlowingBear would flip town. I also think this play is well within his mafia range. he was prettygood in the witch game I read.

If both GB and kush are town, scum are more likely to not care about the lynch. Me pushing more for kush doesn't make me town, but it clearly doesn't make me scum either.

On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
The big doubt is if Kushm4sta is mafia or town. I don't think Rels was trying very hard to save GB or kill Kushm4sta. if Kush is mafia then I think Rels has to be town. He was consistent that Kush is null while he said GB is carefree town. If Kush is town then Rels can easily be mafia. Easy.

Yep. I can be mafia and I can not be. So that is another NAI point in your case, that you say is NAI.

The caps lock reasons are pure teasing you. What you are saying is that I am also solely TRing Koshi because he had 1 post near EOD that was all caps lock. That's silly. I am most definitely NOT TRing LS because he had half a post that was caps. But I did want to check it. First I saw he didn't use it as scum but then I wondered if he did as town. So, I checked that too. I still think it's a silly reason so I made fun of you for it. For the record I TR LS for his comfortable tone and he has a bigger filter than I think mafiaLS would. I may have stated before but for LS I don't pay too much attention until D2.5/3 because then he is OBVIOUS. His caps lock statement was NAI. Even though he hasn't done it in his 4 scum games, I think he's entirely capable of it. So it's NAI, but apparently for you it overcomes a SHOCKING difference.

The time it took me to do the above made me think how long it would have taken me to find out Sukrit's identity. I'm more curious to hear how you did it. It would take me days so there must be a trick. But the point is you spent time on smurf hunting rather than solving the game while you are not being active. When I have lots of time to solve the game then smurf hunting is fine, but you haven't been that active so you are wasting that limited resource on smurf hunting? Really? At least it wasn't blue hunting so there's that but still.

yeah, you were OK with lynching TT. TT who had heat on him from several of the town leaders. Way to stick your neck out and make a bold read. I don't think townRels backs down from any fight. I think mafiaRels may or may not back down. Your targets were LS, GiygaS, me, TicTock, and lackluster Damdred. Damdred is the only one in that list that wouldn't qualify as an easy target and that's purely based on reputation. Then you vote completely null Kush. you didn't want to put in the work for getting one of your targets lynched. You took the easy way. I think townRels would have done more.

I don't think you cared about the lynch. I'll concede it's possible confirmation bias but the tone I read in your 3-4 posts "hey guys GB might be bad lynch" is just acting. I don't think you cared at all. Now the important information we need to use this indifference is both GB's and Kush's alignment. If Kush is mafia then your indifference makes you town as mafiaRels would care and probably wouldn't be voting teammate Kush. BUT if Kush is town then indifference could be either and with everything else I think this piece sums you mafia. But we dont' know Kush's alignment yet.

I can't believe you're accusing me of being "indifferent" to the lynch when I tried to get Damdred lynched, then when it wasn't done, gave my opinion on my preferred lynch with reasonning. Especially since you weren't even present to discuss anything; and even more especially since in the ONLY game we've played together, I was even more unsure about the lynch that was between you Chez and ruxxar.
So bro, if kush is not scum, you are the one that (1) didn't care about the lynch between two townies, to the point of not being there and (2) already finding suspects based on it.

About my magic find, it took me 20 seconds:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=Sukrit&gb=date
Voilà.

And here. Trying to sell the farce that if someone isn't around ALL the time means they don't care and are obviously scum. I like to put food on the table and have a place to sleep that isn't a cot in a shelter. He's trying really hard to get the worst impression of me as possible. Trying to sell another lynch.

Another note. His hilarious reaction to Koshi. Seriously.

Half the Sky

Germany9029 Posts

December 17 2015 23:00 GMT

#949

Day 2 Vote Count

Rels (2): Koshi, Tubesock
Vivax (1): Tictock
Damdred (0): ~~Koshi~~

Not voted (8): GigyaS, Rels, Vivax, Sukrit, kushm4sta, Damdred, Shapelog, LightningStrike

The Stahlbaums will exterminate Rels tonight.
Day 2 ends in on 23:00 GMT (+00:00).

The voting thread is here.
Only votes in the voting thread will be counted.
Please mind the deadline. Failure to vote will result in a modkill.

Shapelog

United States5185 Posts

December 17 2015 23:02 GMT

#950

[QUOTE]On December 18 2015 07:55 Tictock wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 18 2015 07:48 Shapelog wrote:
The nicknames are getting a bit ridiculous and hard to follow though...
[/QUOTE]

I would be a dick and say "tough, reference the Nickname handbook" but I am not a dick (mostly). So i only going to use GiygaS Khan, Vobby and Koshius (best ones), and maybe (prob. not) Kush-Lush-Fush (sounds like a 90's rapper's name) basically 80% if the names.

No love for Stanley Kubre... I mean Rels.

And if the nick names is really bothering people i can stop it.

Tubesock

United States2726 Posts

December 17 2015 23:04 GMT

#951

On December 18 2015 07:41 Shapelog wrote:

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I get what you're doing with the nicknames. But please for the love of god put Onegu or Sukrit in Sugeno nickname so I can remember easier. The rest are fine since they all contain parts of their handles.

Tubesock

United States2726 Posts

December 17 2015 23:06 GMT

#952

On December 18 2015 07:41 Tictock wrote:
What is the lowdown on the case against Rels?

I saw Koshi and Shape saying his reads are too convienent. As in they either flow with thread sentiment or are OMGUS based.

Am I missing something or is that it?

Sorry I should just reread the cases myself, but Rels hasn't really pinged my radar too much besides some of the meta cases.

I'll review the stuff between Rels and Tube as I dont have any read on Tube yet besides him seeming more egaged today.

Most concise is probably Damdy's one.

But you really think a guy who basically OMGUS's the entire game is scum hunting? Like OMGUS is basically just only defending yourself.

Tubesock

United States2726 Posts

December 17 2015 23:07 GMT

#953

On December 18 2015 07:55 kushm4sta wrote:

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I don't want to be a dick but....uh you want to revise this statement?

Shapelog

United States5185 Posts

December 17 2015 23:10 GMT

#954

On December 18 2015 08:07 Tubesock wrote:

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I don't want to be a dick but....uh you want to revise this statement?

He did Filter at at least once, not recently. But he did filter me to build that case against me at EoD.

GiygaS

Canada1043 Posts

December 17 2015 23:14 GMT

#955

He also filtered me at the request of someone (came up town). Don't know what I think about the cases, had revised my rels read since he was more active. I'll go through his and TT's filter after my exam tomorrow (sorry for not being around a lot, expected this to start next week since it was supposed to be a bigger game initially). Also, where is Vivax? Thought he was gonna show up more after EoD yesterday.

GiygaS

Canada1043 Posts

December 17 2015 23:15 GMT

#956

For the record, I will be much more active 2 days from now, as I have two more finals. One tomorrow, one the day after. After that I'm getting on a plane but it's only a 5 hour flight and I have plenty of time in between it and my last final.

Shapelog

United States5185 Posts

December 17 2015 23:23 GMT

#957

On December 18 2015 08:14 GiygaS wrote:
He also filtered me at the request of someone (came up town). Don't know what I think about the cases, had revised my rels read since he was more active. I'll go through his and TT's filter after my exam tomorrow (sorry for not being around a lot, expected this to start next week since it was supposed to be a bigger game initially). Also, where is Vivax? Thought he was gonna show up more after EoD yesterday.

I understand the exams. In fact, i had my first pop quiz since college today. Except is wasn't a quiz more like a 106 questioned pop test. But i feel your pain.

About Vobby. I metion him a few hours ago. I am concern something about him is going on. With lack of content posts (like the only two were a plus one and a question that he never followed up.) I do not know Why Master Koshius is deciding to protect him. Like i understand his point about "Do not lynch Vobby! Do not be lazy" but at some point, he needs to go. I even suspecting a Mason team bewteen Vobby and Koshius. Mainly because it would amazing because of the nicknames i give them. But also because it explains why Vobby is mindlessly sheeping Koshius. Like last time he posted asking who to Sheep, it was EoD. And said nothing other then "who do i sheep master?". Idk what is Vobby's deal.

Also another reason why a Vobby and Koshius mason team could happen is because at the begaining of the day, koshius talks about blue roles. But this could come from town Koshius too.

GiygaS

Canada1043 Posts

December 17 2015 23:25 GMT

#958

Real talk though is there something that gives push notifications on your phone whenever there's a new mafia post?

Shapelog

United States5185 Posts

December 17 2015 23:29 GMT

#959

On December 18 2015 08:25 GiygaS wrote:
Real talk though is there something that gives push notifications on your phone whenever there's a new mafia post?

I am a radical person who decided a smart phone is useless to me and stuck to the flip phone. I am sure you can go to the setting for the app and make it notifies you. Or download something Mal Ware free that you can set up Notifications on. Best thing i could tell you.

GiygaS

Canada1043 Posts

December 17 2015 23:32 GMT

#960

There's no functional TL app, at least on Android. Meh, guess I'll just keep refreshing when I'm around.

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