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Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
December 08 2015 08:33 GMT
#1706
On December 08 2015 14:17 DoYouHas wrote:
Soooooo, my reason for townreading Trfel apparently is bad. It is association based on his interactions with HtS. I've been looking at his last scum game. If I was playing, I would never have picked up on anything odd between him and Breshke. So confused...

This weakens my argument against Disfo as well, even if my initial assumption was true.
##Unvote

My to-do before the deadline is to reread the cases on Trfel and Fid, read Fid's filter and decide the more likely scum.

What about LS?
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
December 08 2015 09:31 GMT
#1707
Is nobody else concerned that lots of people are 'softing' me, or saying 'they need to look more into me', but as far as I can see nobody has actually come up with a reason to scum read me, other than (1) Palmar was scum reading me and (2) I sound "robotic". Those are some very weak reasons. Town are wrong all the time. And idk if I sound robotic - I'm not going to defend myself on a tone basis. And the fact that everyone is spewing them (apart from NM) is confusing. Can everyone please just come out and read my filter and say where you stand.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
December 08 2015 09:43 GMT
#1708
I think we need to start thinking about FF as well. So far the thread consensus is "he's lazy, so he's town". Isn't that a pretty shitty reason to read someone? Being lazy and useless is literally the easiest meta to emulate, because you don't have to do anything. I'll take a look at his filter when I can.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
December 08 2015 10:02 GMT
#1709
Eh from a tone read I can see why FF looks like a lazy town.

- His read progression on NM is okay (although it's a bit weird to start off scum reading them and then a day later be willing to mindlessly sheep him)
- He doesn't seem impressed with LS' filter, but never gives a real read on him
- Most importantly, most of his filter is him scum reading Trfel. BUT when it comes to voting him, he says "oh well I'm just sheeping NM". Huh? Like, his Trfel read is basically his one contribution to the game, but now he's pretending like it didn't happen, passing all responsibility onto NM.

Phone post, but this filter is definitely worth diving with references if I get a chance this evening.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
December 08 2015 10:14 GMT
#1710
On December 08 2015 11:08 NocturneMage wrote:
Fidei please comment on post 1691, same with Rels when you return based on your last input.

I appreciate the work you put in on this Alex, but really your post seems to be a very long version of "someone might be helping LS". Of course they might. Although, if they were helping him, they'd probably tell him to stop being so hopeless.

No, I think the more likely explanation is that scum LS is genuinely unable to lie. Like, he struggles with it. I struggled with it mightily too when I was mafia with Rels in SOTW2. And when you can't lie, the easiest thing to do is to constantly ask other people questions, give the blandest town reads possible to everyone and generally be useless. I should apologise to LS because if he is trying as town, I'm giving him a very hard time. But this is a game and I can only read what I have in front of me.

I really, really, really want everyone to imagine this game if LS isn't lynched. He's going to continue to be an absolute coin-flip throughout the whole game. Like, people have suspicions over Trfel, me, DYH ... I have a recent suspicion on FF. But at least all of those people have shown *some* willing to try and solve the game. If any of them are town, that towniness should in theory be possible to distinguish. LS is always going to be objectively scummy in this game. He has had two full game days to change his play and he hasn't. We lynch him now, maybe hit scum, but definitely get rid of the big damn question-mark over his head.

Yes, it's a policy lynch. I get that people think it's lazy. But I've been in too many games where Onegu has AFK'd through the first three days and then got mislynched at the end.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
December 08 2015 10:16 GMT
#1711
I guess my conclusion should add "Yes it's a policy lynch ... AND he's objectively scummy". If you think I don't have full faith in my read -- you're right. I don't. But I'd rather lynch LS than DYH. I will read Trfel's filter (ughhhhhhh).
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
December 08 2015 10:17 GMT
#1712
AND yes I am kicking myself for not sticking on the LS lynch on D1.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
December 08 2015 10:17 GMT
#1713
Where are you Rels? Time to pick up a little bit of the weight here, bro.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
December 08 2015 10:31 GMT
#1716
On December 08 2015 19:27 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2015 19:17 Fidei86 wrote:
Where are you Rels? Time to pick up a little bit of the weight here, bro.

Here bro. Still wanting to lynch LS ? I will fight against that lynch.

(1) Screaming in all caps is LITERALLY THE EASIEST THING TO DO IN THE GAME. IT SHOULD BE USED FOR EMPHASIS ONLY WHEN MAKING IMPORTANT POINTS.
(2) Who knows why HTS did what she did. But this point does hold a little more weight. I have thought about it a fair bit. I'm just concerned that it's a little too much WIFOM and a little too little objectivity.

And who else do you want to lynch? Me?
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
December 08 2015 10:33 GMT
#1719
IS THIS WHAT IT HAS COME TO RELS? YOU SOLVE PERSONALITIES (ALMOST), YOU CARRY SOTW AND A BUNCH OF OTHER GAMES, AND NOW YOU WILL EXHONERATE LS BECAUSE HE USED ALL CAPS TO SAY "I'M NOT MAFIA"???

WTF? How can you possibly believe that?
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
December 08 2015 10:37 GMT
#1721
On December 08 2015 19:33 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2015 19:31 Fidei86 wrote:
On December 08 2015 19:27 Rels wrote:
On December 08 2015 19:17 Fidei86 wrote:
Where are you Rels? Time to pick up a little bit of the weight here, bro.

Here bro. Still wanting to lynch LS ? I will fight against that lynch.

(1) Screaming in all caps is LITERALLY THE EASIEST THING TO DO IN THE GAME. IT SHOULD BE USED FOR EMPHASIS ONLY WHEN MAKING IMPORTANT POINTS.
(2) Who knows why HTS did what she did. But this point does hold a little more weight. I have thought about it a fair bit. I'm just concerned that it's a little too much WIFOM and a little too little objectivity.

And who else do you want to lynch? Me?

Don't know, let's talk about it. Trfel ? You're townreading him right ?
What happened to your NM potential scumread BTW ?

Eh, my town read on Trfel is highly out of date. I don't think I've properly considered his filter since D1. I do recall that he has had a cast-iron scum case on most of the people in the game. I've never come across a player like that before, so I have nothing to bench mark against. I really need to wrap a cold towel around my head and start reading his filter.

My potential scum-read on NM remains. I do think that it is a very possible play that NM and HTS cooked up his thread entry in a scenario where she wanted out of the game. However, the more likely option is that he just has a god-like read on Dani and has also been working hard on improving his thread presence, which is definitely a lot stronger this game than previous games.

He is also the only one who seems to be town reading me. I feel buddied.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
December 08 2015 10:40 GMT
#1723
Yes. Will you please read FF's filter?
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
December 08 2015 10:55 GMT
#1724
I actually kind of want to know whether LS thinks that him speaking in all caps is town indicative.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
December 08 2015 11:14 GMT
#1727
Himalayas was months and months ago. And in that game he was actually so rude and obnoxious he nearly got a ban. Here he was just like "Damdred you are bad".
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
December 08 2015 11:14 GMT
#1728
On December 08 2015 20:06 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2015 19:40 Fidei86 wrote:
Yes. Will you please read FF's filter?

OK. Will you read Trfel's filter ?

Ughhhhhhh. Fine.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
December 08 2015 11:44 GMT
#1730
I have team Xmas lunch today so I will only be around for a bit longer:
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
December 08 2015 12:25 GMT
#1734
On December 08 2015 21:22 LightningStrike wrote:
Incoming case on James today(making it now).

I wait with baited breath!
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
December 08 2015 12:26 GMT
#1735
On December 08 2015 21:14 Rels wrote:
Fidei: Hts tried to convince people to switch to ls over moosy at deadline, and then tried to "save" ls 15 minutes before deadline. That could indicate moosy / nm scum

Hmm, I remember that I was on Moosy but was thinking about jumping to LS. Guess I really need to go back and give that period a careful think.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
December 08 2015 12:34 GMT
#1737
On December 08 2015 21:30 Rels wrote:
Bro if you're mafia I ll be super impressed.

Being town is frustrating, but being Mafia is like being hunted. I wonder if that's a heuristic that might help in this game. Hmm.

Kind of a backhanded compliment there Rels, but I'll take it
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
December 08 2015 13:00 GMT
#1741
On December 08 2015 21:37 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2015 21:34 Fidei86 wrote:
On December 08 2015 21:30 Rels wrote:
Bro if you're mafia I ll be super impressed.

Being town is frustrating, but being Mafia is like being hunted. I wonder if that's a heuristic that might help in this game. Hmm.

Kind of a backhanded compliment there Rels, but I'll take it

You re the one that bought up disfo saying game is hard I'm pretty sure. When I read that I thought it was town indicative.

Ehhhhhhhhh it could be very slightly town indicative, but idk really. Easy to say from either alignment, and can have the effect of making town demoralised.
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