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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 02 2015 22:58 GMT
#749
OK I'll switch to kush
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 02 2015 23:07 GMT
#773
fucking fuck
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 02 2015 23:07 GMT
#775
On December 03 2015 08:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay this narrows down the setups to two of that have Boxers.

no
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 02 2015 23:08 GMT
#784
On December 03 2015 08:08 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 08:07 Rels wrote:
On December 03 2015 08:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay this narrows down the setups to two of that have Boxers.

no

I thought two setups have boxer?

On December 01 2015 08:04 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
Possible setups:
A: 1-shot cop, 1-shot vigi, 8x VT, Goon, GF, RB
B: 1-shot cop, BoxeR, 8x VT, Goon, Goon, RB
C: 1-shot vigi, BoxeR, 8x VT, Goon, Goon, RB
D: Veteran, BoxeR, 8x VT, Goon, GF, RB

Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 02 2015 23:09 GMT
#787
On December 03 2015 08:08 Damdred wrote:
LS has basically mod confirmed himself as town.

That's pretty shitty but we have to work with it I guess.

Yep.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 02 2015 23:12 GMT
#795
I try to shenanni on DYH and nothing happens.
fidei says something about kush and everybody switches.
fuck that I should have yelled
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 02 2015 23:17 GMT
#806
On December 03 2015 08:14 Fidei86 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 08:12 Rels wrote:
I try to shenanni on DYH and nothing happens.
fidei says something about kush and everybody switches.
fuck that I should have yelled

You switched...

So ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 02 2015 23:18 GMT
#811
On December 03 2015 08:18 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 08:10 Trfel wrote:
On December 03 2015 08:08 Damdred wrote:
LS has basically mod confirmed himself as town.

That's pretty shitty but we have to work with it I guess.
Everything about his play says town except for the thing that I quoted.

I actually think that the thing that I quoted is extremely scummy, such that he can't be town. Do you think otherwise, and if so can you please explain it to me so that I can be comfortable with my LightningStrike townread?

Also, NocturneMage, I apologize for you having replaced into a mafia slot. At least I have a fair opportunity for revenge.

I'm also looking at rels' thing so maybe I'm being biased

What thing ? I think LS is conf town.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 02 2015 23:19 GMT
#816
On December 03 2015 08:17 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 08:14 Fidei86 wrote:
On December 03 2015 08:12 Rels wrote:
I try to shenanni on DYH and nothing happens.
fidei says something about kush and everybody switches.
fuck that I should have yelled

You switched...

So ?

I think you're town BTW.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 02 2015 23:20 GMT
#817
Alright good night all.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 03 2015 10:45 GMT
#891
On December 03 2015 08:22 LightningStrike wrote:
Good night Rels. When you come back give thoughts about the game after you went to sleep please?

(=
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 03 2015 10:49 GMT
#892
On December 03 2015 08:51 Trfel wrote:
Does anyone actually enjoy playing with me any more?

Because if not, there's really no reason for me to play. I'd rather not waste my time trying to reread all of that End of Day stuff.

LOL WTF bro you're like the main moving force this game. Relax, I enjoy playing with you.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 03 2015 10:50 GMT
#893
On December 03 2015 09:46 Trfel wrote:
Rels:

When did you see Damdred's post about the game setup? As in, how long did you spend writing your first post? And, had you read/analyzed the game setup before you read Damdred's post?



Off for a while.

I don't know.
I don't know.
Reading and thinking about the setup was the first thing I did when BH posted the day post.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 03 2015 10:52 GMT
#894
On December 03 2015 10:57 NocturneMage wrote:
yo, at work, on mobile, finishing work late tonight, need to go to bed right after though and I have seminars all damn day tomorrow.

I've not read dick all or followed the game for d1 quite yet, but I'm VT and I'm ready to fuck up some dirty dirty scummers.

reading from end of cycle, I'm pretty suspicious of trfel again (I say again because he was scum the last game) but that's mainly because of how he played last game. of course he'd push moosydoosy, he's unreadable as fuck as either alignment. same desperation emotions when no one is listening to him. unless he does this as town. cool story bro, try harder because I'm not scum.

Wow. I'm not used to that tone coming from NM. Seems way more casual than the usual analytical tone.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 03 2015 10:53 GMT
#895
On December 03 2015 11:08 NocturneMage wrote:
hts is a sleazeball as mafia, I love her to death, but I'll pretty much know immediately if she's mafia because I obviously know her in real life and if she's out of bounds with her personality, she is almost certainly mafia. obviously if I think she's mafia, I will case her in a way that doesn't require you to know her in real life. unless her dota friends want to argue they have some feels on her from external behaviour. rels, fidei? I'm looking at you two.

although seeing doyouhas' post, if hts got someone lynched who was scumreading her, that is a major red flag in my book. that is routine mafia play for her. dani as mafia will absolutely push the lynches of the people who want her dead. so dyh, what was her role in the lynch?

She has posted quite a bit already. Do you have a read on her ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 03 2015 11:01 GMT
#896
On December 03 2015 14:24 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 06:38 Damdred wrote:
Honestly Palmar I feel pretty strongly about LS I know its a bit of work, but just do me this favor and look at him its 2 pages of filter if that.

He has 0 scum reads, he town reads people for little reason showing no fear of me or you who he generally has a great deal of respect/fear for our scum games.

Has absolutely no scum reads, has no positions in the thread.

Just see if i'm right/wrong and tell me and then if you think i'm so dead wrong we can talk about maybe lynching kush/onegu
Here's a quote making Damdred's reasons to scumread LightningStrike a little more clear. In this quote, Damdred seems to describe the biggest part of his LightningStrike scumread being that LightningStrike has zero scum reads, which is exactly what he said not to do in a previous game as town.

This is really incriminating. And this is in continuation of Damdred not scumreading people for logical reasons, when he usually is the guy who stops pushes when they are not based on logical reasons. First it was the scumread on you based on something illogcal; now this.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 03 2015 11:05 GMT
#897
On December 03 2015 15:45 Trfel wrote:
I'm really confident on NocturneMage being mafia, and I think that Damdred is also decently likely to be mafia. Feels like Rels may mafia, though I haven't looked at Rels yet and some of his stuff seems really towny. Though, I just remembered his reaction to my case on MoosyDoosy and then he completely forgot about it. If he was really that excited about it (as he seemed to be), he completely dropped it. I can see it from town, but it's a bit suspicious. Furthermore, there's some really stupid unflipped association, but even when I'm really confident unflipped association is still unflipped association

True. I didn't post it, but I thought it was actually NAI due to this game:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494452-student-mafia-xv
In that game, Moosy just stopped doing anything in D2 and let town lynch him, even taunting us in the process.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 03 2015 11:05 GMT
#898
Damdred: can you explain your Palmar townread ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 03 2015 11:19 GMT
#899
DoYouHas is probably scum: a solid case

1. Agreeing to a setup idea that is benefit to scum; without being the first to propose it

Talking about this post:
On December 01 2015 08:27 Damdred wrote:
Firstly for the roles, nobody should talk about this besides an opinion going forward, if you are a named towny you should claim asap, it narrows down the pool that we lynch from and also gives us more to work with. however if you are the Vet do not claim unless absolutely necessary. If you are shot claim if you aren't shut the hell up. After you use your power claim straight away your findings if you are one shot obviously do not pussy foot away and give mafia the ability to cause town to second guess you. As such thank you for your time in reading this.

On December 01 2015 08:32 DoYouHas wrote:
I second the immediate claim by a boxer if we have one.

boxer claiming is (was =X ) bad for town 50% of the time, so this post pushes a scum advantage. Furthermore, he's agreeing with Damdred on that, not taking responsability for the idea.

2. His Trfel's read makes no sense
Already explained here:
On December 01 2015 22:22 Rels wrote:
I don't like that progression from DoYouHas.

Show nested quote +
On December 01 2015 08:57 DoYouHas wrote:
On December 01 2015 08:50 Trfel wrote:
On December 01 2015 08:47 Damdred wrote:
On December 01 2015 08:44 Trfel wrote:
Hm, LightningStrike hasn't posted at all yet. Very suspicious, I would have expected him to be really excited for this game since he hasn't played in a while.

Disformation, why are you only bringing up Damdred's post now, and not right when he posted it?


Trfel might be mafia since LS clearly posted in the thread why he wouldn't be here till later.

Interesting...
Okay, what the heck.

First of all, if you think about it for a second, you can probably see what I was trying to do. You may not agree with my method, but you know me well enough to see it.

Second, why would does this make me mafia in any way? Like, why does the fact that LightningStrike posted that he wouldn't be here at the start of the game have any bearing on my alignment?


I assumed your post was a bit of a joke. Reconsidering with how fast you jumped on the defensive here.

"Trfel you might be scum."

2 posts later:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2015 08:57 Damdred wrote:
You are an idiot but you are most likely town.

If you can't explain in a coherent way why I am mafia then obviously I am not.

Damdred: "Trfel is most likely town."

1 post later:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote:
I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now.

TLDR: you crazy trfel

"Trfel you're crazy." So Trfel is considered town here.

It doesn't add up.
##Vote DoYouHas



3. A total apathy towards the lynch
Here are the two posts DYH made after coming back to EOD:
On December 03 2015 07:01 DoYouHas wrote:
Catching up now.

I can't see any scum motivation behind Trfel's hard defending of me. It doesn't even look like positioning for my flip is even really a possibility here. I was going after him, voted him, thread sentiment is against me. I'm an easy EASY person for scum trfel to keep the heat on. That he ran the other direction when there is no reason to as mafia is major town points in my book. Unvoting.

On December 03 2015 07:36 DoYouHas wrote:
Welp, if you don't have good scumreads, sheep the wagon of your townreads.

##Vote: LS

On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote:
What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is.

DYH just didn't care about the lynch. The third post was only made after I tried to get people to vote him. Furthermore, disfo bought a really good point about sheeping his "townreads":
On December 03 2015 08:15 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 08:12 Rels wrote:
I try to shenanni on DYH and nothing happens.
fidei says something about kush and everybody switches.
fuck that I should have yelled


Wanted to switch to DYH, but decided to go into his filter and make a post...
I kinda want to restate that post, because I think he would be a good lynch so:

His reason for voting LS:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote:
What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is.


Last mention of me in his filter:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.

Gnight folks

@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels.


So I am kinda asking myself where he got that magical TR on me from...
Taking a break now.


Conclusion
If we have a vig, you know who to shoot.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 03 2015 11:36 GMT
#900
Palmar might be scum: an unsure accusation

I don't have a strong scumread on Palmar. There is no slip to be found in his filter. But I know Palmar is a strong scum player, so it's super unlikely to find a slip in there. Here is why I'm suspicious of him:

1. His reads followed the thread sentiment D1
D1, Palmar started by tunneling Shining on something true but small. This is NAI.
But after that, Palmar's posts about people were boring. Just boring. Examples:
On December 02 2015 05:04 Palmar wrote:
So I misread DYH and his post is not as atrocious as I thought it was while phonereading today.

Still bad, still a good default lynch.

I'm not actually putting a ton of effort into this game but I don't want to lynch into this list: Trfel, Fidei, HTS, disformation. Maybe Rels belongs there too. This is in no way a "these people are town" list, just a "I have seen something that makes me not want to lynch them right now".

Damdred is being a bit weird but I'm not gonna call him mafia yet.

Also, Kush and Onegu are useless baddies who will be useless throughout the game. Flipping a coin and lynching one of them is a good play


OK to lynch the guy with the most votes ATM. All active players are given a pass for today. OK to lynch on of the two uesless.
On December 02 2015 06:11 Palmar wrote:
This is a shitty read, but it might actually be brilliant.

Shining said he'd leave yesterday when arguing with me, yet he kept coming back to the thread. If he is mafia he has already realized I'm an obnoxious bastard who pushes shit without mercy. He created an excuse for himself to leave the thread and then didn't use it.

That drive to make me understand that I'm being dumb as shit is actually kinda townie. When I think about it I definitely don't want to lynch Shining today.

On December 02 2015 06:20 Palmar wrote:
Does anyone know how to make moosy not be terrible?

On December 03 2015 01:12 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 00:23 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 02 2015 22:26 Damdred wrote:
##vote fidel86

I'll answer trfel after coffee

Ugh what you reason for voting James here? looked in your filter and couldn't find anything :o

LS are you mafia?

On December 03 2015 01:13 Palmar wrote:
Also, I'm warming up to the idea of lynching Fidei, he kinda deserves it.

On December 03 2015 04:09 Palmar wrote:
I like how you didn't even finish your sentence on me.

Nevertheless, I'm going to vote moosy. Trfel's idea prompted me to read his filter. His filter is absolute trash.

On December 03 2015 04:10 Palmar wrote:
It's seriously demotivating to have so many deadweight players who don't play to win this game (kush, moosy, onegu).

On December 03 2015 04:13 Palmar wrote:
Also the reason I might lynch you james is because you sound like a fucking machine all the time.

On December 03 2015 04:15 Palmar wrote:
Kush didn't do anything, he just said a bunch of words that might as well have been generated in a random read generator.

All of this is boring with minimal scumhunt. And this culminates in ...

2. Palmar was apathetic towards the lynch; when he is proud of his D1 capacities
Palmar is proud of his D1 reads:
On December 01 2015 09:53 Palmar wrote:
Don't lie to town though, talking to me is a great way to getting us somewhere, I am actually pretty reasonable and I take pride in my day 1 play, so if you actually do the thing where you don't look like mafia I'm not going to want to kill you. However at the moment you have such massive holes in your story that I can't ignore it.

But after stopping his Shining push, his reads were boring. At EOD, he was super apathetic and sheeped Trfel into Moosy, then Damdred into LS, then followed the thread sentiment to kush:
On December 03 2015 04:09 Palmar wrote:
I like how you didn't even finish your sentence on me.

Nevertheless, I'm going to vote moosy. Trfel's idea prompted me to read his filter. His filter is absolute trash.

On December 03 2015 07:51 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 07:10 Trfel wrote:
On December 03 2015 07:04 Palmar wrote:
Do people like... ever... build good cases anymore?
Palmar, you're not doing anything yourself, so you're going to have to stop this.

Remember in Mini Mafia Down Under 2? We had a really good case and push against Alakaslam and you ruined it for a policy lynch.

I realize that you're extremely talented and one of the best players on the site, but it's still possible that once in a while, someone else knows something that you don't (and just because they can't explain it well doesn't invalidate this). You don't need to attack me as well.

I know this??

That's exactly why, I know that currently I don't have a lot of good ideas, and damdred's idea looks like a decent one so I'm just gonna roll with that.

On December 03 2015 07:56 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 07:29 kushm4sta wrote:
I think the LS lynch is good.

I looked over his filter again. His arguments are always"so and so was like that in that game, and he's similar/different in this game, therefore he's town/scum" That's an overreliance on bad meta.
Those are very easy arguments for scum to make.

This is possibly an overexplanation


He also left the thread 1 hour before deadline to come back 10 minutes for it for no good reason, when it always is the crucial moment to decide a good lynch:
On December 03 2015 07:07 Palmar wrote:
I'm going to watch tv for half an hour or so.

I think I'm just gonna roll with Damdred. I have no good reason to call LS town so fuck it.


Conclusion
Good cop check / vig shot.
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