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On December 03 2015 04:58 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 04:50 Half the Sky wrote:On December 03 2015 04:44 Trfel wrote:
Side note, I remember that Half the Sky mentioned that she'd only played with kushm4sta before in Carol of the Bells. Which is wrong, since we all played in I believe Student Mafia IV (one of the Student Mafia games, before the Newbie Student mafias), and kushm4sta was in that game and actually sort of played. He was mafia, so I'm surprised that Half the Sky forgot that.
But I just remembered that kushm4sta actually was in Carol of the Bells. If you have any doubt that kushm4sta is capable of playing this lazily as town, look at his play from Carol of the Bells.
He had (arguably) the most important town power role in the game. A mafia player baited the role to claim, and the entire thread yelled at how stupid that request was. Didn't matter, kushm4sta didn't care and just claimed his role and died.
In retrospect, it was pretty darn hilarious, but at the time it was infuriating. No I did not forget that. I know I cited both games. And kush wasn't mafia in the Student game. No way. I remember the lynch trains bouncing between both of us and both of us were town and I had modconfirmed myself because I posted after the bloody deadline. Eh, wow. My memory really is awful. My bad, sorry about that. (cries in a corner) To answer your questions: - My early post to LightningStrike was a reaction test. That argument was an extremely stupid reason to scumread ANYONE. I don't scumread people for not posting less than an hour into the game. You don't seem to believe this for whatever reason, I don't have anything more to add.
- I wasn't commenting on DoYouHas' lack of activity, but rather that he was fairly active early on and then vanished as soon as he got a townread from Damdred. That seemed like mafia motivation (play early and get townread, then get a more vocal player to townread you, and match their views and let them do the yelling so you can sit back and watch), and then his play transitioned into a single-post update much later. However, his later play suggests that it's more likely that he's just a low post count player. And I think he's more likely town for reasons previously mentioned.
- However, scum does NOT know the setup. I checked the OP, and I'm sure of it.
I believe that's everything, if I missed something please ask. Half the Sky, MoosyDoosy is mafia and needs to be lynched. Trust me.
Alright, fair enough on the first two. So you're back to null then pending a full catch up. Third one we might have to agree to disagree. I read the OP again. I see what you're saying but I've played enough BH games and cohosted with him enough that he does tell the scum team what roles they are or have, and at least they can narrow it down a little. Just saying.
Moving on.
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Trfel, are you metareading kush town based on meta (laziness in Carol) and if so realising you were wrong on his game in student 4 (he was actually town in that game, but not lurky as Carol obv) does that change your read on him? Or were there other things you'd looked at that I missed?
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On December 03 2015 05:22 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 05:15 disformation wrote:On December 03 2015 04:44 Trfel wrote:On December 01 2015 08:37 Rels wrote:
Yo.
If you're boxer you fucking shut up. There is two possible mafia setups: one with two possible town setups with one boxer each so it doesn't matter. And one when we have either boxer + vet, or cop + vig. In that last case, mafia wants to roleblock their kill target in the vet setup, or roleblock someone else on the cop + vig setup.
Boxer claiming would make them know what is the thing to do.
Tldr if you're boxer you shut up unless you're getting lynched.
Tldr 2 the two people pushing for boxer to claim are suspicious. Damdred and doyouhas I'm going to bring this up again. Please, hear me out, but I DO NOT WANT TO START A MECHANICS DISCUSSION. First, I will assume that the argument that Rels presents about the BoxeR claiming is 100% correct. No matter what. No questions asked. Just for the purpose of this argument. With this assumption, and two people telling the BoxeR to claim, it's important for this argument to be made as quickly as possible so that the BoxeR can see it and not claim. The thing is, Rels presents a really well-explained argument for this. It kind of feels too good to be true. He's already stopped to analyze the setups from a mafia perspective, and see what they know, and see what town knows. He's 100% sure that mafia doesn't know which setup the game uses, despite the standard Blazinghand newbie game using a similar four-option setup where the mafia team IS told the setup. Like, I know that Rels is good. But is he really this good? His first post of the game, 37 minutes after the day began.... It doesn't feel quite right. Okay. Let me try. So you assume that the good play for town/boxeR is to not claim. Two people say the opposite. So Rels rushes to the help of town and presents a good argument why boxeR should not claim. So a) he is town or b) he wants the town cred. He analyzes the setup, which is possible as either alignment. hmmm... the op doesn't say whether mafia knows the setup or not... and you are right he seems pretty convinced that mafia does not know the setup. This part is kinda strange indeed... The parts about it feels too good and is he this good confuse me a bit though. Like what do they add to this argument, besides making it look like a fear read a lot? =p maybe I should go and read rels more in depth... Maybe this is just not a good argument at all. One more try. The key word is that Rels is rushing to the aid of town. Rushing, because speed is important. And his post is extremely knowledgeable, and is a really comprehensive explanation. I find it hard to believe that he got confirmation that scum didn't know the setup in time to make this post, for example. If Rels was around earlier, he should have been posting. Town wouldn't avoid posting like that. Basically, Rels took extra time to make sure his argument was completely explained and correct, when town wants to post as quickly as possible. This makes me wonder if the motivation behind the post is, instead of helping town, to make himself look better, which would mean that Rels is mafia. The argument falls apart if Rels is good enough to make this post as town without taking much extra time, which is what I was trying to get at. That seems really unlikely, but I can't completely rule it out.
Not sure I like or agree with this post. I might be biased here because I've cohosted two games now with Rels, both of which are themed and both of which require him to know his mechanics in depth. I concluded this post alone was NAI because anyone skilled enough or knowledgeable enough about setup spec can speak to their opinions about what certain roles should and should not do. My opinion based on what I read in the OP/day post was that scum can narrow down the setup as they know their own roles so Rels' post is reasonable based on the fact that if the boxer claims, they can further narrow down the setup.
The part about 100% sure on the setup is completely false, based on his saying "there are two possible setups....etc" no they don't know for sure but like I said before they can narrow it down based on how BH (and clearly you know from what you've posted?) assigns the roles in his games in the mafia QT, and that would appear to be Rels argument. I don't know where you are getting "took extra time" (I'm seeing a 10 minute gap between Damdred's and Rels response and from what I'm reading of the thread/their filters, for both players it is their first appearances in the thread, 23:27 and 23:37 respectively) or how you'd know he would have posted that otherwise unless I'm reading that sentence wrong.
What I'm trying to say is it appears to me that you are reaching here especially since as Rels hadn't posted yet in the thread so I don't know how you can even assume that. It seems like a few assumptions "if he was around" etc. but even if you are making the argument that 10 minutes is too long for him to construct his post, that's still a poor assumption because when you look at his filter that 23:37 post is the first post he makes in the game. You don't know if he arrives at 23:35, sees that and just churns it out which makes the "completely explained and correct" part a reach on your end as well.
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The last thing I recall from LS was Rels querying him as to his other scum reads, and he said he didn't have any (except Trfel? I cannot remember at the time)
The other thing I get nervous on with the number of votes with MoosyDoosy piling up, I do need to examine the motivations for people voting him. I'm not sure I understood Trfel's motivations on a first read for voting him as "guaranteed" scum - policy lynch sure, based on being useless/unreadable/self-meta, and to me that puts him in the same category as Onegu who is always a coin flip, but I need to do more filter diving before I collapse again. I did read Moosy's filter and if you are to take the guy completely seriously, you can argue there's lack of followup, or why is he focusing on Rels when Rels isn't the one being picked about. Trfel's arguments I saw so far were tone based? It just seemed out there - Trfel if I'm misunderstanding the "guaranteed scum" argument can you elaborate?
Fidei makes me a little nervous as well. I realise his job makes it hard for him to play and be active and I see he had an excuse tonight but to be fair, when he's mafia, he really falls off, and I mean really falls off. Of course it was so blatantly obvious last time (SOTW 2) that if he's mafia again, I would wager enough he'd be a little smarter to at least delay the inevitable if not for his teammates. I'll look at his filter or at least try to and see if anything is off.
Still digging around filters folks. Policy lynch would be my last resort.
Revisiting DYH since my vote is currently on him. I fell far too behind.
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On December 03 2015 06:28 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 06:27 Palmar wrote:
This is 100% a policy lynch.
That being said, intentionally bad players should be policy lynched. I see no effort at all from moosy trying to actually help this game. Maybe it's a policy lynch for you, but I think I actually know what I'm doing.
Have you played with Moosy before?
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On December 03 2015 06:23 Damdred wrote:
Well he likes playing town with me even if I have been afk for large portions of the day.
There is no reason to put something that is NAI and make it out to be like he is lock scum when it just isn't so, if he flips scum it will be because of something else.
100% (bolded)
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On December 03 2015 06:35 Palmar wrote:
I dislike Fidei being a robot, I don't trust robots.
To me, his tone is NAI, he was like that in the town games I've had with him and as well in SOTW 2, what concerns me more is why he's voting Moosy now when he has LS as mafia in his list post. He's saying he's not confident enough in the LS read, but the read itself is pretty fleshed out?
There was also another post of his that I didn't like either...
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On December 02 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:Back from class after some relaxation. Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 07:18 Rels wrote:
LS: if you had to name a team of 3 mafias, who would that be and why ? Idk yet this game is getting a little hard. I wish that Onegu and Kush actually do stuff so I can flesh them out in terms of alignment. Otherwise after considering that he did his thing on me as a trap(if I reading this correctly) Tfrel moved to null for now but still it was kind of a weird thing to do for him. Idk why people having trouble with DYS? I see him more of a newbie player than a veteran player honestly so(shrugs). So nothing yet for a team.
On December 03 2015 03:16 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 03:13 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 03:06 LightningStrike wrote:On December 03 2015 03:04 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 03:01 LightningStrike wrote:On December 03 2015 02:58 Trfel wrote:On December 02 2015 23:07 Half the Sky wrote:
Alright, I just woke up, and I am not feeling any better. I'm headed to a doctor's appointment in an hour, but I am hoping to get back in thread barring anything serious.
I fully realise I have a shittonne to catch up on - if anyone has any questions for me, or anything specific they want me to weigh on, please prompt me and I'll do so when I return. First of all, really sorry that you aren't feeling well. Hope you can recover soon. Why did you vote for DoYouHas instead of kushm4sta? Why didn't you include LightningStrike in the lynch list? Now that he's (at least mostly, I think?) answered your questions, what do you think about him? Why did your read on me (Trfel) change? read her filter if you want to see her progression on me  + Show Spoiler + And where did you get that conclusion from? On December 02 2015 04:38 Half the Sky wrote:On December 02 2015 04:24 LightningStrike wrote:Okay I here now and Tfrel I did answer HTS just not directly quoted. On December 02 2015 04:15 Half the Sky wrote:
Looking at 346/349 -
LS, I'm not referring to meta. Let's make sure I'm not misunderstanding you here.
I'm not talking about Palmar's tone in general. I'm talking about his case. If you read the context differently, then tell me how you interpreted that.
You are saying that he's town because his tone is serious and from 349 it's based on meta. Okay fine, but regardless of meta, why would Palmar's case NOT be serious? What I'm trying to say here is that you are townreading him for a poor reason. I didn't say it wasn't serious? Anyways the way he argued Shining like I said had a serious tone plus like said he did a very similar thing to me in Metal Mini when I was fighting him and felt frustrated with him. It took me a bit of arguing to get him to townread me in that game because I was still a newbie lol.... So it a little both but more towards personal experience with him. Argh, no. I am saying that you said his tone is serious. In any case, you want to say you are giving a personal read towards him. Alright, I still think this is a bad read because like I said before Palmar really can't be done off one read, but now that I've fleshed it out I don't think you are mafia for this. Still need to read the rest of your filter in conjunction with Trfel/Damdred when I return though. Yeah.... "I don't think you are mafia for this" means that Half the Sky is not scum reading you for one specific thing in your filter. As in, she could be scum reading you for the entire rest of your filter. And that's not a townread on that one thing either. Does anyone know if LightningStrike is generally this self-conscious as town with regards to other people's townreads on him? To make a big jump like this and try to assume everything is a townread? Because this is making me doubt my earlier town lean on him. It's implied I thought O_o(At least how I read it and I hope she gets better soon honestly) Also for note you played a shit ton of games with me when I'm town and I surprised you kinda forgot how I play 
This is the question I want to ask folks - why is he null reading Trfel based on the bolded?
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I'll switch votes as well.
LS can you comment more on why Trfel is null for you based on what you said or possibly his current gameplay now if he was someone you focused on?
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On December 03 2015 06:55 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 06:54 Half the Sky wrote:On December 02 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:Back from class after some relaxation. On December 02 2015 07:18 Rels wrote:
LS: if you had to name a team of 3 mafias, who would that be and why ? Idk yet this game is getting a little hard. I wish that Onegu and Kush actually do stuff so I can flesh them out in terms of alignment. Otherwise after considering that he did his thing on me as a trap(if I reading this correctly) Tfrel moved to null for now but still it was kind of a weird thing to do for him. Idk why people having trouble with DYS? I see him more of a newbie player than a veteran player honestly so(shrugs). So nothing yet for a team. On December 03 2015 03:16 LightningStrike wrote:On December 03 2015 03:13 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 03:06 LightningStrike wrote:On December 03 2015 03:04 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 03:01 LightningStrike wrote:On December 03 2015 02:58 Trfel wrote:On December 02 2015 23:07 Half the Sky wrote:
Alright, I just woke up, and I am not feeling any better. I'm headed to a doctor's appointment in an hour, but I am hoping to get back in thread barring anything serious.
I fully realise I have a shittonne to catch up on - if anyone has any questions for me, or anything specific they want me to weigh on, please prompt me and I'll do so when I return. First of all, really sorry that you aren't feeling well. Hope you can recover soon. Why did you vote for DoYouHas instead of kushm4sta? Why didn't you include LightningStrike in the lynch list? Now that he's (at least mostly, I think?) answered your questions, what do you think about him? Why did your read on me (Trfel) change? read her filter if you want to see her progression on me + Show Spoiler + And where did you get that conclusion from? On December 02 2015 04:38 Half the Sky wrote:On December 02 2015 04:24 LightningStrike wrote:Okay I here now and Tfrel I did answer HTS just not directly quoted. On December 02 2015 04:15 Half the Sky wrote:
Looking at 346/349 -
LS, I'm not referring to meta. Let's make sure I'm not misunderstanding you here.
I'm not talking about Palmar's tone in general. I'm talking about his case. If you read the context differently, then tell me how you interpreted that.
You are saying that he's town because his tone is serious and from 349 it's based on meta. Okay fine, but regardless of meta, why would Palmar's case NOT be serious? What I'm trying to say here is that you are townreading him for a poor reason. I didn't say it wasn't serious? Anyways the way he argued Shining like I said had a serious tone plus like said he did a very similar thing to me in Metal Mini when I was fighting him and felt frustrated with him. It took me a bit of arguing to get him to townread me in that game because I was still a newbie lol.... So it a little both but more towards personal experience with him. Argh, no. I am saying that you said his tone is serious. In any case, you want to say you are giving a personal read towards him. Alright, I still think this is a bad read because like I said before Palmar really can't be done off one read, but now that I've fleshed it out I don't think you are mafia for this. Still need to read the rest of your filter in conjunction with Trfel/Damdred when I return though. Yeah.... "I don't think you are mafia for this" means that Half the Sky is not scum reading you for one specific thing in your filter. As in, she could be scum reading you for the entire rest of your filter. And that's not a townread on that one thing either. Does anyone know if LightningStrike is generally this self-conscious as town with regards to other people's townreads on him? To make a big jump like this and try to assume everything is a townread? Because this is making me doubt my earlier town lean on him. It's implied I thought O_o(At least how I read it and I hope she gets better soon honestly) Also for note you played a shit ton of games with me when I'm town and I surprised you kinda forgot how I play This is the question I want to ask folks - why is he null reading Trfel based on the bolded? Uh, the second post you quoted came after the first. Not sure what you're getting at.
I'm asking why he wouldn't reconsider his read on you from his world given the first quote. He called something of yours "weird" in spite of him moving you to null, you think he'd at least question his read on you or question you if something you did surprised him. The expectation he has in the second quote is that you should know how he plays when he's town and why that couldn't or didn't affect his previous consideration. Looking at his filter, he is struggling for reads but when you have been his main focus most of this game, is this unreasonable to consider?
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On December 03 2015 06:57 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 06:27 Palmar wrote:
This is 100% a policy lynch.
That being said, intentionally bad players should be policy lynched. I see no effort at all from moosy trying to actually help this game. Catching up. This.
There you are. Can you explain why you are voting Moosy when you have a pretty fleshed out read on LS? You are saying you aren't confident on LS but your points are pretty clear in your list post.
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On December 03 2015 07:15 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 07:02 Half the Sky wrote:On December 03 2015 06:57 Fidei86 wrote:On December 03 2015 06:27 Palmar wrote:
This is 100% a policy lynch.
That being said, intentionally bad players should be policy lynched. I see no effort at all from moosy trying to actually help this game. Catching up. This. There you are. Can you explain why you are voting Moosy when you have a pretty fleshed out read on LS? You are saying you aren't confident on LS but your points are pretty clear in your list post. Every game I've ever played in people have pushed LS D1 and he has been town. That gives me pause. And we have Moosy, who has literally made no effort whatsoever in this game - he is basically trolling us. We simply cannot take him forward in this game and hope to win. He has had two days to do something constructive, or to show a change in tone. He has not. I actually don't agree with Trfel that MD's play makes him 100% Mafia or anything else. I think it's possible he's Mafia. It's possible he's not. But in the long run, I we cannot ever successfully read someone who apparent holds this game in contempt.
Have you looked into the reasons as to why they are pushing LS? Do you think those reasons are town or mafia motivated? Or whether that affects your reads on the people voting him? (I think if I recall right you had Palmar and Damdred as nulls?)
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This is LS and he generally is a very emotional player. I know others can fake emotion but this IS LS.
LS, what do you think of Trfel and what do you think of Damdred? Talk to us for cripe's sake if you are town, you have half an hour.
Let me check Warcraft 3 since I am assuming that's the game that Shining is referring to?
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On December 03 2015 07:25 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 07:22 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 07:20 The Shining wrote:
I'm having trouble ever remembering a time LS has reacted that way to being scummed/voted, and most of the times we've played together he was town. Except that one time he was scum. But he didn't react this way, either. Can't tell if it's an attempt to get that "genuine anger townread" that's been floating around games lately. That reaction seems very similar to what I would expect from LightningStrike as town. Why do you think otherwise? I remember one game we played not too long ago where every time someone suspected him he accused them of being on crack. Yes he discredits them hard but the caps and cursing feels uncharacteristic. Unless I'm just not remembering correctly. But that somewhat recent game that I rolled scum in, he didn't go this ham.
I'd have to disagree, he lost his head to the point in Himalayas that Fecalfeast and I warned and took post-game action on him. It is not unprecedented.
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On December 03 2015 07:25 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 07:22 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 07:20 The Shining wrote:
I'm having trouble ever remembering a time LS has reacted that way to being scummed/voted, and most of the times we've played together he was town. Except that one time he was scum. But he didn't react this way, either. Can't tell if it's an attempt to get that "genuine anger townread" that's been floating around games lately. That reaction seems very similar to what I would expect from LightningStrike as town. Why do you think otherwise? I remember one game we played not too long ago where every time someone suspected him he accused them of being on crack. Okay that's just not true Trfel. I'm getting cold feet because LS usually fights his corner on somewhat sensible grounds. I've never seen a response like that before. Hmm.
You were in Himalayas and so was he, surely you remember when he lost the plot?
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Shining - checking the Drams filter then. I think he was in school at that time so that should normalise for his being afk.
.....and this is why I stated he had 30 minutes to talk to us. Or whatever I said, it's more than enough time to discuss and run an alternate lynch. He does freak out at the slightest bit of pressure and he claims prematurely when he's blue, here he claimed VT though.
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I got through LS's Drams filter, he had school/schoolwork in that game too but had way more pointed reads. Shining was spot on.
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Thing is, I don't recall LS being under pressure in that game so that still gives me pause.
Fuck it I'm going back to Witchcraft 3, I didn't see that game (scum LS) whether he was emotional. If he was emotional in even one scum game, then the meta can be considered broken IDK.
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Final four posts in mafia LS Witchcraft 3 filter.
On June 10 2015 07:30 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I just going to vote to save myself potentally.
##Unvote
Vote: Bill Murray
On June 10 2015 07:31 LightningStrike wrote:
I think BM might flip scum and Stutters is most likely getting Modkilled we lynch BM if I live through this lynch guys.
On June 10 2015 07:59 LightningStrike wrote:
Saving myself again.
##Unvote
##Vote:Stutters695
On June 10 2015 08:10 LightningStrike wrote:gG Had no motivation to play when I saw I rolled scum
He's not emotional and not as emotional compared to here though he says he's saving himself but saving self is always NAI. I hate that he isn't talking to us and I hate he isn't suggesting an alternate lynch but gut call says current lynch is a bad lynch.
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LS, survival is NAI. Why is Moosey mafia?
Why isn't Trfel mafia?
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