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On December 01 2015 09:46 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 09:13 The Shining wrote:
Fidei's scumlean is bad. No one but disfo and Trfel had posted at the time of my posts and I poked fun at the fact that throughout the history of my playing on TL, I don't normally play on Mondays and Tuesdays. Which is why I "went quiet." I don't normally have time to play on these days and I'll be out of here once again shortly.
Palmar is bad for commenting on literally nothing up to this point but claiming I'm 100% scum. There are actual things going on in the thread but he's just trying to pick up off of Fidei's soft pushing on me to get me lynched. Out of Fidei and Palmar, Palmar is the worst looking one. Agreed with Palmar, that doesn't make Fidei mafia. I just took it as him reacting to what he saw (either alignment) and I would probably draw it as more suspicious if he tried to push you as a lurker, say 24h from now. As for Shining's scum team post, I took that as a joke, so I'm also not sure what Palmar is saying "both as a joke and as serious" and then leading into "there's no way he can believe what he's saying" - because when I read that phrasing it is basically saying "he's serious and mafia because what he's saying isn't believable" but how do you navigate that when he's intending that as a joke? Am I misunderstanding that one? Shining, let's say Palmar just disappears. What are your reads on other people?
It was intended to be a joke until I actually read the rest of Fidei's post, and Palmar 100%'ing me right after the post. The joke was both of them being scum together and the third to scum me being a team. However, I was realistically suspicious that one of them was probably trying to take advantage of my admittedly useless entrance.
And I've already started doing that. Until Palmar gets me lynched, he is literally a non-entity in this game to me. All the ad hom and constant bickering is going to do is throw me on tilt, and I don't feel like getting warned for cursing him out.
Damdred is likely town for his wanting to bring town into a cohesive train of thought with that first post.
Rels is on the scumside of null for scumming both Damdred and DYH for wanting the named VT to claim(which I agree with, there's no reason not to), along with 0 townreads.
Moosy is as useless as ever, which is sadly NAI at the moment but could become a scumread really quick. I don't like him claiming he didn't even read his role pm until a few posts after he entered but it's Moosy.
Disfo's early responses to Trfel were relaxed and his posts seem to be natural so he's a slight townlean. He also seems to be fleshing out his suspects before he scumreads them(saying he isn't a fan of me so far, I had better posts last game but not scumreading me. Asking Damdred to explain his read on Trfel) so it looks like he wants to get good reads, not just jump on easy suspicions.
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On December 01 2015 09:53 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 09:44 The Shining wrote:
Welp since I'm a moron so early in the game, I see no reason to talk to Palmar now or ever again this game. If you're town, consider the fact that you just pissed off a townie to the point where I'm going to think everything you're doing in this game is wrong. So you can have fun pushing the d1 mislynch in me or leave me around and bumping heads with me the rest of the game. Talking to you isn't going to get either of us anywhere and I'm done with it. Get me lynched if you want, I just think you're retarded and stubborn town at this point and I still think Fidei's post is a lot less fine than you make it out to be so there's no reason for me to try and convince you otherwise.
I only call people morons after telling them nicely why they're wrong. I'll show you: Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 09:21 Palmar wrote:
I didn't say it was particularly good, I said it was fine. He made some statements, threw out some reads and did it in a sort of casual manner. He didn't force out any opinions that he clearly doesn't have (like you're doing with him and me at the moment). It was just a fine opening post that gives no reason to call him mafia. Look how I explain that I'm not saying the post makes him town, just that your initial reason to call him mafia is faulty. And I wasn't trying to hide it, I said the same thing here: Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 09:17 Palmar wrote:
Fidei calling you out on something you actually did doesn't make him mafia. If you're town you should be considering, and possibly favoring, the option that he's just a townie with a wrong scumlean. Nothing he said was false. He literally took true information and made a lean on it. That's the most null thing you can do in mafia.
And I think I called it fine even before that. Yet your response is: Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 09:27 The Shining wrote:
Your hard defense of Fidei so early is noted, though. Which is simply something that is not happening. So yes, I get pissed off when you blatantly misrepresent my opinions and statements (which makes me want to hang you even more). I don't care that I've pissed you off. Don't lie to town though, talking to me is a great way to getting us somewhere, I am actually pretty reasonable and I take pride in my day 1 play, so if you actually do the thing where you don't look like mafia I'm not going to want to kill you. However at the moment you have such massive holes in your story that I can't ignore it.
Telling me that I'm wrong for why I feel someone is scum that isn't you is a defense of that someone. You won't convince me otherwise. I also don't care that you don't care. See why I don't want to talk to you?
Speaking of misrepresentations, you're sitting here saying I only scumread Fidei for scumming me for saying true stuff. You're ignoring me pointing out the mass null read he gave out and the reads between DYH and Rels, but not Damdred and Trfel who were arguably doing more before that post. But keep picking on me and saying it's just OMGUS. Do what you gotta do, bud. Not sure where that pride or cockiness comes from but if you're town and get me lynched, I hope it takes a huge blow.
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Anyway I'm out. Gonna walk my dog and go hit the gym after. I'll probably come back later tonight and chances are no one will be here because everyone here now minus Damdred is EU but w.e. I need to cool my head. I never thought I'd run into someone more frustrating to talk to on D1 than Eversince. I was wrong.
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On December 01 2015 10:05 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 10:00 The Shining wrote:
And I've already started doing that. Until Palmar gets me lynched, he is literally a non-entity in this game to me. All the ad hom and constant bickering is going to do is throw me on tilt, and I don't feel like getting warned for cursing him out.
Please show me "all the ad hom". I think I've been entirely reasonable with you. I did get mad when you ignored 3 of my posts to misrepresent my position on fidei despite me explaining it nicely to you at first, and I'm sorry for that. But this suggests there have been multiple instances of me attacking you personally?
Meh I thought you called me retarded, as well as a moron. You just called my read retarded, w.e. That's why I don't want to continue talking to you and go on tilt. I can't even fucking read your posts properly. But you're also being obstinate when I'm clearly explaining what I'm doing and you choose to just ignore it, or just repeat what you've already said. So you have your read on me already. Why do you feel the need to convince me that you're convinced I'm scum?
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Now I'm seriously out. Bye.
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On December 01 2015 10:11 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 10:03 The Shining wrote:On December 01 2015 09:53 Palmar wrote:On December 01 2015 09:44 The Shining wrote:
Welp since I'm a moron so early in the game, I see no reason to talk to Palmar now or ever again this game. If you're town, consider the fact that you just pissed off a townie to the point where I'm going to think everything you're doing in this game is wrong. So you can have fun pushing the d1 mislynch in me or leave me around and bumping heads with me the rest of the game. Talking to you isn't going to get either of us anywhere and I'm done with it. Get me lynched if you want, I just think you're retarded and stubborn town at this point and I still think Fidei's post is a lot less fine than you make it out to be so there's no reason for me to try and convince you otherwise.
I only call people morons after telling them nicely why they're wrong. I'll show you: On December 01 2015 09:21 Palmar wrote:
I didn't say it was particularly good, I said it was fine. He made some statements, threw out some reads and did it in a sort of casual manner. He didn't force out any opinions that he clearly doesn't have (like you're doing with him and me at the moment). It was just a fine opening post that gives no reason to call him mafia. Look how I explain that I'm not saying the post makes him town, just that your initial reason to call him mafia is faulty. And I wasn't trying to hide it, I said the same thing here: On December 01 2015 09:17 Palmar wrote:
Fidei calling you out on something you actually did doesn't make him mafia. If you're town you should be considering, and possibly favoring, the option that he's just a townie with a wrong scumlean. Nothing he said was false. He literally took true information and made a lean on it. That's the most null thing you can do in mafia.
And I think I called it fine even before that. Yet your response is: On December 01 2015 09:27 The Shining wrote:
Your hard defense of Fidei so early is noted, though. Which is simply something that is not happening. So yes, I get pissed off when you blatantly misrepresent my opinions and statements (which makes me want to hang you even more). I don't care that I've pissed you off. Don't lie to town though, talking to me is a great way to getting us somewhere, I am actually pretty reasonable and I take pride in my day 1 play, so if you actually do the thing where you don't look like mafia I'm not going to want to kill you. However at the moment you have such massive holes in your story that I can't ignore it. Telling me that I'm wrong for why I feel someone is scum that isn't you is a defense of that someone. You won't convince me otherwise. I also don't care that you don't care. See why I don't want to talk to you? Speaking of misrepresentations, you're sitting here saying I only scumread Fidei for scumming me for saying true stuff. You're ignoring me pointing out the mass null read he gave out and the reads between DYH and Rels, but not Damdred and Trfel who were arguably doing more before that post. But keep picking on me and saying it's just OMGUS. Do what you gotta do, bud. Not sure where that pride or cockiness comes from but if you're town and get me lynched, I hope it takes a huge blow. You only tacked those onto it later. You said it best yourself, here's your reason for scumreading Fidei: Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 09:13 The Shining wrote:
Fidei's scumlean is bad. No one but disfo and Trfel had posted at the time of my posts and I poked fun at the fact that throughout the history of my playing on TL, I don't normally play on Mondays and Tuesdays. Which is why I "went quiet." I don't normally have time to play on these days and I'll be out of here once again shortly.
This is the reason you initially gave for scumreading Fidei. I have ever since questioned the legitimacy of this logic, and you seem to even agree with by now: Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 10:00 The Shining wrote:
It was intended to be a joke until I actually read the rest of Fidei's post, and Palmar 100%'ing me right after the post. The joke was both of them being scum together and the third to scum me being a team. However, I was realistically suspicious that one of them was probably trying to take advantage of my admittedly useless entrance.
So let's get the timeline clear: 1) Fidei posts you may be scum 2) I post you're 100% scum 3) you jokingly say we're scum together 4) you explain your scumreads on us, using stuff that by fidei that you now agree was true (still joking???) Like my logic tells me that between "jokingly" calling us scum and then actually fucking explaining your scumread, you would have read Fidei's post, that you wanted to call him scum for, yet all you came up with was the very thing I've been questioning. Your version of the events makes no sense at all.
1) Right
2) Right
3) TOGETHER. And at that moment, because you didn't explain shyt, I figured the likely scum out of you 2 was you. Then you explained, which led me back to re-reading Fidei's post to see if I was wrong on him as well and I felt I wasn't and I posted this an hour ago:
On December 01 2015 09:27 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 09:17 Palmar wrote:On December 01 2015 09:13 The Shining wrote:
Fidei's scumlean is bad. No one but disfo and Trfel had posted at the time of my posts and I poked fun at the fact that throughout the history of my playing on TL, I don't normally play on Mondays and Tuesdays. Which is why I "went quiet." I don't normally have time to play on these days and I'll be out of here once again shortly. Fidei calling you out on something you actually did doesn't make him mafia. If you're town you should be considering, and possibly favoring, the option that he's just a townie with a wrong scumlean. Nothing he said was false. He literally took true information and made a lean on it. That's the most null thing you can do in mafia. On December 01 2015 09:13 The Shining wrote:
Palmar is bad for commenting on literally nothing up to this point but claiming I'm 100% scum. There are actual things going on in the thread but he's just trying to pick up off of Fidei's soft pushing on me to get me lynched. Out of Fidei and Palmar, Palmar is the worst looking one. I hadn't even read Fidei's post, I just came into the game, read the first page, then posted "Shining is 100% scum", turns out I mostly agree with Fidei, so free townread in the process! His expectations are unreal of me if he is town. He said I went quiet and yet here I am so I'm interested if his lean now goes away or if it becomes a hard scumread because I scumread him. Like there were actual things happening, like Damdred's big post directing blues, Rels finding DYH and Damdred suspicious, but his scumlean comes off on the one person who he probably expected to afk because it's Monday/Tuesday and who didn't say much of anything. And in the same post, he goes ahead and leaves the thread when he enters it.Your hard defense of Fidei so early is noted, though.
I must be a glutton for punishment. Because instead of ignoring you like I should, I keep going right back at it. I just can't understand if you're town how you don't see what I'm so clearly explaining. Like fucking seriously. Seriously??
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Oh and inb4 you try to scum me for some bullshyt like I left but continued to refresh the thread. I just came back up from walking my dog and checked the thread one last time before hitting the gym. Bye.
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It's happened to me before. +1 for phone posting.
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On December 01 2015 11:40 kushm4sta wrote:
Shining looking like a decent d1 lynch I guess. Reasoning is that if Palmer called me 100 percent scum I'd be like lol.
Instead he doth protest too much,
Expecting someone to play like you is a horrible way to read someone
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On December 01 2015 12:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:I’ll be honest and say I love these “Moosy is useless but it’s NAI!” “Moosy is a weird af player, can’t read him now!”  My name must spread far and wide.
Please do something. There really is no point to make yourself a huge question mark if you're town
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Ninjad. I'm feeling alright, much better since I left the gym. I'm a passionate player, what can I say?
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It's not the first time you've played with me, nor the first time I've reacted that way. Why is it interesting to you? Do you find it indicative in any way? What do you think of what I said about fidei, or what palmar said about me, or revel about damdred?
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Phone posting sucks. Md keeps ninjaing me.
're: fidei both. The way they were represented in a hello/goodbye post, with a bunch of nulls and a one liner on me to scum me felt bad. Then he towned rels and dyh for like two posts each but didn't mention Damdred and it was Damdreds post and their reactions that started that interaction.
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On December 01 2015 12:46 LightningStrike wrote:
Shining since you had cooled off what you got out of your fight with Palmar?
It's in my filter. He's wrong and stubborn town, but once he actually explained his read on me and his follow ups, I can see it coming from town thinking he found scum
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On December 01 2015 12:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 12:47 The Shining wrote:
It's not the first time you've played with me, nor the first time I've reacted that way. Why is it interesting to you? Do you find it indicative in any way? What do you think of what I said about fidei, or what palmar said about me, or revel about damdred? I find it interesting that you acted that way because A. I'm genuinely concerned for your mental state in Mafia as I know it's a high stress game. B. I do feel that you overreacted a bit with your sudden outburst and I disliked the way you try to use your meta to defend yourself. So. I just want to know your thoughts. What was the basis behind your Fidei read?
There is a game not too long ago in which I mentioned I go to anger management therapy and that still holds true. Dont worry about me, tho, this is justa forum. I won't/can't hurt anyone else or myself so you could say my passion is just a way of venting.
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Lol my phone posting is making this hard. I'll be home in 10-15 mins
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On December 01 2015 12:53 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 12:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:On December 01 2015 12:47 The Shining wrote:
It's not the first time you've played with me, nor the first time I've reacted that way. Why is it interesting to you? Do you find it indicative in any way? What do you think of what I said about fidei, or what palmar said about me, or revel about damdred? I find it interesting that you acted that way because A. I'm genuinely concerned for your mental state in Mafia as I know it's a high stress game. B. I do feel that you overreacted a bit with your sudden outburst and I disliked the way you try to use your meta to defend yourself. So. I just want to know your thoughts. What was the basis behind your Fidei read? I think that post was towards me not you lol.....
Yes it was towards md but your answer so quick and natural earns you a town point
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I'm here. Work is hectic and its rainy which makes it worse but I'll catch up as fast as I can. Just don't flame me for missing anything.
I do see a few votes on MD. Anyone defending him or pushing a diff lynch at all?
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On December 03 2015 06:11 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 06:09 The Shining wrote:
I'm here. Work is hectic and its rainy which makes it worse but I'll catch up as fast as I can. Just don't flame me for missing anything.
I do see a few votes on MD. Anyone defending him or pushing a diff lynch at all? nope. Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 06:09 Damdred wrote:
I'm not so sure moosey is mafia.
I've given other reads
however I think that LS is mafia and I should be sheeped on this. Your timing is great. Was just like... "wait, LS is in this game..." I also remember HtS case on him being decent... can you elaborate further?
So he's being bussed, is town or his team is one of the arms or non voters. Hm. Can't deny Moosy is prime d1 lynchbait tho, I just checked his filter. Looks like he did nothing after talkinng to me about my Fid read except ask who was pro/anti Rels and took a rest for what is now 21 hrs. Sigh.
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