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On December 01 2015 12:47 Damdred wrote:
I'm pretty sure that shinny is town and a horrible lynch tbh.
Onto that trfel post I don't mind it so much, its a bit odd in one respect that if trfel was scum he would want stupid arguments in thread and me tilting not being calm. That's total wifom and not worth talking about.
overall I think its not quite indicative either way but its a good sentiment
I think this post makes Shining town unless Shining and Damdred are scum together. Here is why:
1 - Damdred has a godlike read on Shining. This "I'm pretty sure that shinny is town and a horrible lynch tbh." made me think of Damdred post on Shining last game (both were town):
On November 21 2015 08:36 Damdred wrote:
Shining is 100% town and anyone who wants to lynch him tommorow will literally have to scream over me while I spam the thread to hell.
No way this is scum shining
2 - So if Damdred is town, it is super likely Shining is town.
3 - If Damdred is scum, then it doesn't mean anything. It either means Damdred is using his "godlike read" to protect a town Shining, or is protecting a scum buddy.
TLDR: If Damdred is town, Shining is super likely town.
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@Fidei: OK. What part of my first post was "wrongheaded" or whatever was the word you used ?
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Useful List of Useless People
Onegu
kushmasta
DoYouHas
Do stuff or be lynched.
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On December 01 2015 19:13 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 19:07 Rels wrote:
@Fidei: OK. What part of my first post was "wrongheaded" or whatever was the word you used ? This was actually a mistake on my part. I found myself totally agreeing with your view on the blue claim, but then someone pointed out that the mafia would know the setup anyway. That is usually how it is. But then I read the OP a couple of times and I couldn't see anywhere that the mafia would know. So perhaps it wasn't wrongheaded. Had you read the OP when you made that post?
Yes. I don't like that useless question that follows the explanation of what I should say to be townie.
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fidei you're saying HTS is not really pushing the people she thinks are scummy right ?
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On December 01 2015 19:33 Palmar wrote:
I'm not up to date and I'll be stuck in a conference thing through today.
I did read one post by doyouhas and it was completely awful. Possibly lynch worthy.
I'll probably not read or talk much until tonight. I'm less inclined to lynch shining than I was yesterday
Are you good at reading Damdred ? Do you have a Damdred read ?
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On December 01 2015 19:24 Fidei86 wrote:
Um, not quite. It's more of a total gut read from me, that she's not being candid with her thoughts. You and she both know that she's my favourite person on this site by miles, so I'm not going to just blindly tunnel her. I just wondered if anyone else agrees with my thinking.
I reread her posts. Can you give me some examples ?
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On December 01 2015 21:45 Fidei86 wrote:
@Rels
I have looked over HTS' posts, and I am more okay with #209 now that I've read it a few times. There's nothing particularly objectionable in there.
At #219, I disagree with her read on the Palmar / Shining interaction. There is something very strange about Shining's progression, and HTS just skates past it.
She then at #224, #237 and #246 goes forward and then back on on Trfel. She asks Shining about people other than Palmar, but noticeably doesn't ask Palmar about people other than Shining.
I know that HTS is very much a fan of Palmar's scum play. I know that she has previously had him as a coach and that she generally speaks highly of him as a player. It is strange to me that she almost specifically avoids interacting with him, or making any comments about him. Honestly, if she can't read him, it seems like the rest of us don't have a chance.
None of the above is a guaranteed scum-tell. But I find it somewhat suspicious. Town HTS nitpicks as well, but I just always get the sense that she is going somewhere with her thoughts. That seems lacking to me.
I don't agree with #219's analysis. I relate to her because I also don't know if what Palmar brings on Shining is really incriminating.
I don't agree with Trfel's back and forth being scum indicative. She asked a question, got told by Trfel she didn't understand correctly his meaning, and backed off.
I don't understand the Shining / Palmar difference. Why is HTS asking Shining his reads and not Palmar is scum indicative ?
I agree with HTS' post lacking something though. She comes into the thread with two scumleans; interacts with the two of them; then leaves without a list or anything.
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I don't like that progression from DoYouHas.
On December 01 2015 08:57 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 08:50 Trfel wrote:On December 01 2015 08:47 Damdred wrote:On December 01 2015 08:44 Trfel wrote:
Hm, LightningStrike hasn't posted at all yet. Very suspicious, I would have expected him to be really excited for this game since he hasn't played in a while.
Disformation, why are you only bringing up Damdred's post now, and not right when he posted it? Trfel might be mafia since LS clearly posted in the thread why he wouldn't be here till later. Interesting... Okay, what the heck. First of all, if you think about it for a second, you can probably see what I was trying to do. You may not agree with my method, but you know me well enough to see it. Second, why would does this make me mafia in any way? Like, why does the fact that LightningStrike posted that he wouldn't be here at the start of the game have any bearing on my alignment? I assumed your post was a bit of a joke. Reconsidering with how fast you jumped on the defensive here.
"Trfel you might be scum."
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On December 01 2015 08:57 Damdred wrote:
You are an idiot but you are most likely town.
If you can't explain in a coherent way why I am mafia then obviously I am not.
Damdred: "Trfel is most likely town."
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On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote:
I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now.
TLDR: you crazy trfel
"Trfel you're crazy." So Trfel is considered town here.
It doesn't add up.
##Vote DoYouHas
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On December 01 2015 22:46 Fidei86 wrote:
Rels are you town this game?
Yes. What make you doubt ?
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On December 01 2015 09:57 Palmar wrote:
I thought Trfel is town because of something. I think I also thought disformation is town, but don't quote me on that.
Would love to know what.
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I don't understand Damdred's logic concerning Trfel
On December 01 2015 09:52 Damdred wrote:
Its just bad reasoning for why I sort of think Trfel is townish?
Like its really really to early for me to be sold on it, but the way trfel goes defensive and omgus instead of sort of buddying up to me and trying to change my mind that way made me think maybe its just town being dumb.
Damdred: "Trfel is town because he's omgusing me; if he was scum, he would try to buddy me."
On December 01 2015 10:07 Trfel wrote:Life is so frustrating  My communication skills appear to be miserable. I'll try to reread the thread later tonight. Damdred, apologies for using that type of read. Regardless of whether or not I am right, that creates stupid arguments and makes the game miserable. Thanks for being a bit more sensible than I am (regardless of alignment).
Trfel is nice to Damdred.
On December 01 2015 12:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 10:07 Trfel wrote:Life is so frustrating My communication skills appear to be miserable. I'll try to reread the thread later tonight. Damdred, apologies for using that type of read. Regardless of whether or not I am right, that creates stupid arguments and makes the game miserable. Thanks for being a bit more sensible than I am (regardless of alignment). Really? No one pointed this post out? hm...would like to see Palmar and Damdred's take on this.
MD brings up the post.
On December 01 2015 12:47 Damdred wrote:
I'm pretty sure that shinny is town and a horrible lynch tbh.
Onto that trfel post I don't mind it so much, its a bit odd in one respect that if trfel was scum he would want stupid arguments in thread and me tilting not being calm. That's total wifom and not worth talking about.
overall I think its not quite indicative either way but its a good sentiment
Damdred: "It's WIFOM but probably town points because if Trfel was scum, he would attack me to tilt me."
@Damdred: I don't follow your logic between these:
On December 01 2015 09:52 Damdred wrote:
the way trfel goes defensive and omgus instead of sort of buddying up to me and trying to change my mind that way made me think maybe its just town being dumb.
On December 01 2015 12:47 Damdred wrote:
Onto that trfel post I don't mind it so much, its a bit odd in one respect that if trfel was scum he would want stupid arguments in thread and me tilting not being calm. That's total wifom and not worth talking about.
In the first Trfel is attacking you, with bad arguments from your POV since you are town; you say it's town indicative. Then he stops and you say if he was scum he would attack you with stupid argument. Well, that is exactly what he did before his apology from your POV, and actually you townread him for it.
Please explain. Then: is Trfel town right now ? If yes, what would he do if he was scum ? If no, what would he do if he was town ?
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On December 01 2015 23:49 Damdred wrote:
Your missing the point of that post why it is non alignment indicative, he's apologizing but he's not buddying me.
I'll answer all questions in a sec
The weird thing is not about the apologizing vs buddying. It's about attacking you with stupid arguments.
Time A: Trfel is attacking with arguments that are wrong and maybe stupid if you're town. You say Trfel is town for attacking you like that.
Time B: You say scum!Trfel would attack you with stupid arguments, so he might be town.
Something is wrong here.
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On December 02 2015 00:12 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 00:06 Rels wrote:On December 01 2015 23:49 Damdred wrote:
Your missing the point of that post why it is non alignment indicative, he's apologizing but he's not buddying me.
I'll answer all questions in a sec The weird thing is not about the apologizing vs buddying. It's about attacking you with stupid arguments. Time A: Trfel is attacking with arguments that are wrong and maybe stupid if you're town. You say Trfel is town for attacking you like that. Time B: You say scum!Trfel would attack you with stupid arguments, so he might be town. Something is wrong here. No time b isn't exactly what said at all?
On December 01 2015 12:47 Damdred wrote:
Onto that trfel post I don't mind it so much, its a bit odd in one respect that if trfel was scum he would want stupid arguments in thread and me tilting not being calm. That's total wifom and not worth talking about.
overall I think its not quite indicative either way but its a good sentiment
That's what I understand of that post. "Trfel's apology is WIFOM, but I think if he was scum he would continue attacking me with stupid arguments to make me tilt." Do I understand wrong ?
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On December 02 2015 00:17 Half the Sky wrote:James, right now, I'd say town given how he's broken down the case. On DYH, definitely odd how looking at timestamps, that progression. I looked at his filter quickly and he responds on things related to Palmar/Shining but didn't reconsider Trfel or at least that reaction in conjunction with something else, since I believe Trfel was up late in skimming. Unless there was reason not to, there was a lack of followup there. Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 11:40 kushm4sta wrote:
Shining looking like a decent d1 lynch I guess. Reasoning is that if Palmer called me 100 percent scum I'd be like lol.
Instead he doth protest too much, Not sure I like this reaction from kushmasta either. He makes an assumption that Shining would or should react the same way he does. It is why I asked Shining what his other reads were, and they looked reasonable at first glance last night. Also begs the question why he's still voting Rels or why he feels Rels initial push was worse than Shining's. I'm lying down for a few hours, any more questions, fire away.
Sure. I remember you having a good read on LS. What is your read on him this game ?
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On December 02 2015 00:20 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 00:15 Rels wrote:On December 02 2015 00:12 Damdred wrote:On December 02 2015 00:06 Rels wrote:On December 01 2015 23:49 Damdred wrote:
Your missing the point of that post why it is non alignment indicative, he's apologizing but he's not buddying me.
I'll answer all questions in a sec The weird thing is not about the apologizing vs buddying. It's about attacking you with stupid arguments. Time A: Trfel is attacking with arguments that are wrong and maybe stupid if you're town. You say Trfel is town for attacking you like that. Time B: You say scum!Trfel would attack you with stupid arguments, so he might be town. Something is wrong here. No time b isn't exactly what said at all? On December 01 2015 12:47 Damdred wrote:
Onto that trfel post I don't mind it so much, its a bit odd in one respect that if trfel was scum he would want stupid arguments in thread and me tilting not being calm. That's total wifom and not worth talking about.
overall I think its not quite indicative either way but its a good sentiment That's what I understand of that post. "Trfel's apology is WIFOM, but I think if he was scum he would continue attacking me with stupid arguments to make me tilt." Do I understand wrong ? Partially yes, its all semantics though and shades of the same thing.
You said in that post that scum!Trfel would attack you with stupid arguments. Trfel is still attacking you in his last posts. Do you still think he's town ? Why / why not ?
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On December 02 2015 01:11 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got to college campus and took care of stuff and about Palmar: It's meta read that I have on him because he did similar stuff to me in Metal Mini which you observed and I do find Shining town for now although he did show huge emotions as scum last game but I giving him a benefit of a doubt. Mainly Shining's content seems better ths game than his last game when he was scum vs me.
Any idea on what could be scum ?
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On December 02 2015 01:17 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 00:16 Damdred wrote:On December 01 2015 18:16 Trfel wrote:LightningStrike:On December 01 2015 12:18 LightningStrike wrote:
DYH seems townlean he actually tried to comment on stuff that is relevant to the game. Specifically, what comments did he make that were relevant to the game, and why do they make him town? Damdred: (and PLEASE, no one else answer this, don't be stupid...):I'm sorry, I know you don't want to talk about this, but it's driving me insane. Hypothetical scenario 1: Trfel makes a post an hour into a mafia game casting suspicions on Joe for not having posted. Hypothetical scenario 2: Trfel makes a post an hour into a mafia game casting suspicions on Bob for not having posted. Bob said before the game that he would not be present for the first few hours of the game. What difference do you see between these two scenarios?
Palmar seems like obvious town. There's one thing I hope to check eventually, though. I kind of want to lynch The Shining, but that seems like a very bad idea right now. He's put in a bunch of effort (regardless of alignment) on a busy day for him. Most of the problems that I have with his posts are wording, tone, and a bit of consistency, which aren't the most reliable. I do feel that his posting somewhat fits mafia motivation, but I'm nowhere near confident enough to be happy lynching him now. I feel that The Shining's alignment will become very clear with a bit more time. I still think that Damdred is mafia, but I remembered that the past several times I've played with Damdred (both town) I've always thought he was mafia I'm guessing that I have some preconceived notions for what I expect Damdred to do, and whenever he doesn't behave exactly as I would expect him to, I think he's mafia. And it seems to be very hard for me to separate this from mafia motivations... Did anyone else find Damdred's townread of The Shining a bit off? Palmar commented on why the third point is invalid, which I completely agree with. Of course I see a difference, but what was my play? I don't see a difference. What difference do you see between them (with regards to my alignment)? + Show Spoiler [Explanation] +Two more hypothetical scenarios...
Hypothetical scenario A: Trfel knew that Bob made the pre-game post about not being there. What makes mafia!Trfel more likely to scumread Bob than town!Trfel?
Hypothetical scenario B: Trfel didn't know that Bob made the pre-game post about not being there. Why is it any different that Trfel posted suspicions of Bob instead of any of the other players who hadn't posted yet and had no pre-game excuse? Trfel didn't know the difference at the time, he could have posted about any of them.
This makes a lot of sense. Damdred's reason to initially attack Trfel is not logical.
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On December 02 2015 01:27 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 18:50 Rels wrote:On December 01 2015 18:44 Trfel wrote:On December 01 2015 18:41 Rels wrote:On December 01 2015 18:16 Trfel wrote:
I kind of want to lynch The Shining, but that seems like a very bad idea right now. He's put in a bunch of effort (regardless of alignment) on a busy day for him. Most of the problems that I have with his posts are wording, tone, and a bit of consistency, which aren't the most reliable. I do feel that his posting somewhat fits mafia motivation, but I'm nowhere near confident enough to be happy lynching him now. I feel that The Shining's alignment will become very clear with a bit more time. 1 - this is sooooo non commital. 2 - we're right on the period Shining has no internet. So I have no idea what additionnal info you will have when he AFK for 24 hours. What part of the "not lynching The Shining" part did you miss? I thought I read "I kind of want to lynch The Shining" somewhere in that post. This part about Shining reads to me as "I'm OK lynching Shining but I'll need someone to convince me." Under normal circumstances, I'd be suspicious of The Shining here and would be maybe willing to lynch him Day 1. However, since The Shining probably won't be able to play much today, and wasn't 100% there yesterday, I think that giving him a Day 1 pass is probably best. Sorry that wasn't clear in my initial posts.
Is anyone else kind of suspicious of Rels? The way that he has been throwing suspicions at everyone feels like he's trying to keep his options open to lynch anyone he chooses. I don't recall him posting a single townread (which isn't that important), but the way he's been pressuring so many people without follow through or without a serious push seem so strange. The vote on DoYouHas feels extremely opportunistic, as well. I was really hoping that DoYouHas wouldn't be brought up for a while, I wanted to see what he did if he wasn't bothered. I remember checking the exact same thing that Rels mentioned earlier, and I'm not entirely on board, but I'll let DoYouHas speak for himself.
Yep I'm suspicious of too many people. I would lynch Damdred or DYH right now; fidei is weird; HTS' post on LS makes a lot of sense. Onegu and kush are useless.
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On December 02 2015 01:28 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 01:23 Rels wrote:On December 02 2015 01:11 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got to college campus and took care of stuff and about Palmar: It's meta read that I have on him because he did similar stuff to me in Metal Mini which you observed and I do find Shining town for now although he did show huge emotions as scum last game but I giving him a benefit of a doubt. Mainly Shining's content seems better ths game than his last game when he was scum vs me. Any idea on what could be scum ? I told you earlier that I think Tfrel is scum mainly his stuff about me.....
His "stuff about you" was a trap that he didn't believe in. I don't think Trfel has posted a read on you. Does knowing that make you re evaluate ?
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