EPTOn December 01 2015 19:43 Rels wrote:
I reread her posts. Can you give me some examples ?
I reread her posts. Can you give me some examples ?
I'll re-read them at lunch. Promise.
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On December 01 2015 21:16 Half the Sky wrote: Heads up, work has been borderline insane today and I'm not feeling well on top of that. I should recover by this evening to catch up. <3 feel better soon | ||
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I have looked over HTS' posts, and I am more okay with #209 now that I've read it a few times. There's nothing particularly objectionable in there. At #219, I disagree with her read on the Palmar / Shining interaction. There is something very strange about Shining's progression, and HTS just skates past it. She then at #224, #237 and #246 goes forward and then back on on Trfel. She asks Shining about people other than Palmar, but noticeably doesn't ask Palmar about people other than Shining. I know that HTS is very much a fan of Palmar's scum play. I know that she has previously had him as a coach and that she generally speaks highly of him as a player. It is strange to me that she almost specifically avoids interacting with him, or making any comments about him. Honestly, if she can't read him, it seems like the rest of us don't have a chance. None of the above is a guaranteed scum-tell. But I find it somewhat suspicious. Town HTS nitpicks as well, but I just always get the sense that she is going somewhere with her thoughts. That seems lacking to me. | ||
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On December 01 2015 23:21 Half the Sky wrote: A bit correction/clarification here. I think highly of geript's scum play, it is he who I've had as a coach. Not Palmar. I had geript/sicklucker as mafia coaches. That said, Palmar is a good player as both alignments. A key thing I learnt about Palmar is that you can't meta him easily because he has played many different ways as both alignments. I learnt that the hard way when we mislynched him in Hammertime and in the few ways I've seen him play from the hosting world (Down Under 3) I didn't find him terribly easy to read as town. The manner in which Palmar hit up Shining is, yes, out of the blue but also not outside the realm of town Palmar which is why I waited to see if/how when he broke down the case. It was also not unreasonable for Shining in that regard to say he fails to comment on anything but him. On my way home early, the lightheadedness is real. And thanks James. I'll vent on Steam about RL if I get the chance. Ah, sorry for the mistake viz geript. I suppose my point still stands though, to the extent that Palmar is (a) a very experienced player and (b) one you've played with a lot. Your analysis of him makes sense - it is too early to reach definitive conclusions on anyone, let alone strong players with the ability to shift self-meta. But what is your gut instinct on him right now? | ||
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On December 02 2015 02:45 kushm4sta wrote: Yes I use my own experience as scum to predict how other people will act as scum. But actually I was accusing him of a standard scumtell, over defense. Don't put too much stock in what I say, because I don't have any sort of handle on this game so far. I am looking forward to playing in a few days after the herd has been thinned. My vote stays on Rels for now. Probably he isn't scum but maybe he is and on my phone it takes a lot of effort to change my vote. Okay this is probably the worst thing I've ever read from someone on this site ever. You want to lynch someone who you don't think is scum because you can't be bothered to change your vote??? | ||
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Obviously that read was super early on you Rels. I don't think the post you quoted necessarily disproves what I said though. Totally you were a lot more combative in your opening than I have seen previously - there is a difference between scum reading someone and calling someone out. The thing that concerns me about your play over the last day or so is that as scum you typically just nitpick/chase up nitpicks, and do so relentlessly. It's good scum play, as people can't say you're not contributing. I think you're probably town now, with the only reason being that I think scum Rels probably doesn't pick a fight with me, at least not this early. As you say, we have played a fair bit together, so I think you'd be wary of me. That's hardly a good reason, as it requires you having a high opinion of me. >> | ||
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On December 02 2015 19:37 Rels wrote: Rereading that, that's super wrong. That's exactly what I did to rayn in that resistance game you hosted, who is also a player with whom I've played a fair bit together. I think you're stretching to find reasons to townread me. ##Unvote ##Vote Fidei86 Eh that's true. But you have done that in every game we've been in - gone at it with Rayn I mean. Even SOTW, where he ended up trusting you with the game. Rayn is easy to manipulate and you figured him out (hell, we laughed about it at length in the Mafia QT). | ||
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On December 03 2015 02:54 disformation wrote: Hm... looking at Fidei86. That is not an easy one, I def. like the first ~ 1 1/2 pages of his filter up to the post from earlier today. You know that one: + Show Spoiler + On December 02 2015 19:05 Fidei86 wrote: Eh, I went to the cinema yesterday evening and then spent the rest of it catching up with friends. I have time at lunch time and will catch up. My old town meta, insofar as you think it was different, was before I totally fucked up the last Newbie game, which has really changed the way I view everything (and made me much less sure about myself). Obviously that read was super early on you Rels. I don't think the post you quoted necessarily disproves what I said though. Totally you were a lot more combative in your opening than I have seen previously - there is a difference between scum reading someone and calling someone out. The thing that concerns me about your play over the last day or so is that as scum you typically just nitpick/chase up nitpicks, and do so relentlessly. It's good scum play, as people can't say you're not contributing. I think you're probably town now, with the only reason being that I think scum Rels probably doesn't pick a fight with me, at least not this early. As you say, we have played a fair bit together, so I think you'd be wary of me. That's hardly a good reason, as it requires you having a high opinion of me. >> Not super sure what to make of it right now, since the earlier parts of his posts gave me a strong town vibe. Maybe too tunneled on Rels? Currently on 12/26, but caught up with thread. Unfortunately my play style tends to be to focus more on the people I think I have a handle on. When there are players I don't know (eg you, disinformation) or that I struggle with (Damdred, Palmar), I have a habit of just parking them in the "figure out later" pile. It's a lazy trait, admittedly. Will try and snap out of it with my next analysis. | ||
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The only reason not to policy lynch Onegu is that he will almost certainly be replaced for inactivity. I'm probably going to put my vote on Moosy once i finish my run through. He has been useless and I can't stand people who put keeping their own meta pure ahead of winning the f***ing game. | ||
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Shining - He was winning townie plaudits for his fight with Palmar, but rather than carry it on (and continuing to crap up the thread) he stopped (or at least tried to) and gave a good read post at #229. I like his read on dis, which I agree with. He asks Kush and Moosy to do more, at a stage where the better Mafia play would have been to ignore them and let town coalesce towards a "lynch all idiots" lynch. (Disclaimer: I previously called him out for not stopping the fight, but a re-read of his filter shows he was trying to stop it but Palmar wouldn't let it go.) Trfel - Rels is right, for someone with over 3k posts Trfel sure apologises a lot. He seems to have some sort of reason for his early LS read, which I don't really care about. I actually like is read on Rels "why is he just throwing shit everywhere." Maybe town side of null. His later posts show quite nuanced reasoning. Moved to town for now, otherwise mostly everyone would be null Dis - he and Trfel are playing similarly in my view. Both reading the thread, giving thoughts relatively fearlessly. Nothing that particularly jumps out as scummy. Lean read. Null Damdred - underwhelmed by his reads, which seem to mostly have been of Shining. Need to filter dive. No sense in lynching today. Damdred - whole filter is super underwhelming. Says he has town reads, but then just gives me and Shining without and further explanation. Lacklustre but posts come off as condescending. Scum side of null but wouldn't lynch yet. HTS - I am scared of a Mafia Dani, and that is probably colouring my read of her. One thing I'm not sure of is why she voted for DYH having just excoriated kush for his dumbass post about voting for Rels. Palmar - his entire first act was fighting with Shining. He made his point, and I agreed with it. But he kept pushing and pushing beyond when it was reasonable. I also didn't like that he called my first post "fine" and "null" but at another point said I was a "tow read". Says he doesn't want to lynch into me, then later says I'd be an okay lynch? Huh? I had him in Mafia, but his last few reads on Damdred and Rels - I'm all over the place on Rels. I've made the point that Mafia Rels tends to buddy harder than he is here. But in this game he seems to be talking in complete parallel to the thread, raising points others aren't but not engaging in the same sort of manner I would expect from a town Rels. But I actually really like his DYH read and vote. Mafia LS - his entry list was all nulls ("I need more time on Moosy" -- no shit!) and basic basic points that display no particular thought. #431 says the game is hard but hasn't really given a read on anyone? O Useless Kush - he is going to have to do a lot to get back from "not changing my Rels vote even though he might be town because changing votes is hard" Moosy - only sensible post is pushing Shining on his read of me. When he'd explained it like 8 times and I'd only made one post. DYH - Lots of town-reads and afk promises. Hardly encouraging. Was not really a fan of his Trfel read. Onegu. It's O-word dude. Hands up if you're surprised. | ||
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