I need a timeout to clear my head, and then I will return.

I am just really utterly confused.

DYH just seemed really organic to me, I don't even. And when I queried him....

NocturneMage

United Kingdom1965 Posts

December 12 2015 23:02 GMT

#2394

at work until 0200 my time. quick summation of this nightkill -

James, what the fuck were you smoking? do I even want to know the answer to that question?

NocturneMage

United Kingdom1965 Posts

December 12 2015 23:07 GMT

#2400

also my mind is starting to wander.

does anyone else find it weird that everyone has townread Shining and he's still alive day 5?

really?

someone pass the tinfoil? or am I just being utterly insane? I'm at work so I am sober.

##vote The Shining

NocturneMage

United Kingdom1965 Posts

December 12 2015 23:11 GMT

#2403

I'm going to filter dive the shit out of everyone and everything, and that vote as usual, is subject to change.

I'm just getting a really bad feeling about this.

NocturneMage

United Kingdom1965 Posts

December 12 2015 23:11 GMT

#2406

On December 13 2015 08:09 LightningStrike wrote:
You prob just insane. IDK I surprised you were even alive NM...........

LOL? I almost got shenannied last cycle?

NocturneMage

United Kingdom1965 Posts

December 12 2015 23:13 GMT

#2407

admittedly no, but why the hell is he still alive? has he been scumread at all at any point in the game?

NocturneMage

United Kingdom1965 Posts

December 12 2015 23:14 GMT

#2408

I'll try and crack on this more when I get off work or tomorrow morning.

For sure though if one thing can be confirmed, it's that James is an idiot vig. Who does dick all with their gun the entire game??

unless he stacked kp or something with mafia? that's the only thing I can think of?

apparently he's a lawyer, he can't be that stupid.

back to work.

NocturneMage

United Kingdom1965 Posts

December 12 2015 23:17 GMT

#2410

seriously the only thing I can think of why Shining is alive

(1) he's wrong on everyone
(2) he's mafia

like nothing looked off but....

NocturneMage

United Kingdom1965 Posts

December 14 2015 01:44 GMT

#2480

I'm here. More night shifts.

Catching up, and more specifically, reading disformation/LS's filters.

NocturneMage

United Kingdom1965 Posts

December 14 2015 01:49 GMT

#2482

This is a shit way to figure things out but thinking along the lines of how Trfel did for me, there was a reason no one wanted to lynch me and it might be the same way for LS. Reading the latter half of his filter now.

NocturneMage

United Kingdom1965 Posts

December 14 2015 01:51 GMT

#2483

##unvote

Completely correct, my vote on Shining was pure paranoia. WIFOM, yes, but fair enough, if whoever gets lynched is green and we get to Shining in lylo, then I will have to revisit again.

NocturneMage

United Kingdom1965 Posts

December 14 2015 01:53 GMT

#2484

It happened once in newbie 14, and I stopped a player (though not the other) that would have otherwise endgamed. Admittedly through a copcheck though, and not because I could actually push that player's lynch.

NocturneMage

United Kingdom1965 Posts

December 14 2015 02:01 GMT

#2486

Reading LS's filter....

sigh, I'm just going to trust what Trfel has said on him, that latter game, his game will start to improve. From page 12 onwards, I can see more provocative, or game-solving (maybe not earth shattering mind you) questions between 12-13.

Him sheeping Shining, probably strong townread this late in the game. If disformation flips green, it does make him look terrible. It's unlikely he'd try and do this as the final scummer I would think.

LS looks into me, my only thing with LS is that he suggests I come up with the bus plan because of my relationship with HTS, and not necessarily something where the scum QT is shared. between any two players (translation: he's taking something non-alignment indicative and making it so). The towncred argument is a credible one, but that prior argument if I understand it correctly is not particularly valid.

moving to the votes...

NocturneMage

United Kingdom1965 Posts

December 14 2015 02:02 GMT

#2487

On December 14 2015 10:57 disformation wrote:
Slightly confused here.
What exactly did Trfel do to you? Do you need a puppet to show us where he touched you?

And what happened int newbie 14?

I'm referring to how Trfel wanted to push my lynch for fuck knows how long and then came to the realisation there was a reason that no one wanted to lynch me. and for whatever reason he wasn't sure himself of actually lynching me, and that there was some external factor (in this case FF wanting to have me lynched) that made him realise I was town.

um weren't you in newbie 14?

NocturneMage

United Kingdom1965 Posts

December 14 2015 02:05 GMT

#2489

my mistake, that was 13.

in newbie 14, I replaced in day 1. I took on the cop slot my predecessor left in a very scummy state. I started making honest reads, but I scumread a player that was being near universally townread particularly by the town leaders and that her play was in parallel with how she played voice mafia. But she was doing dick all for the game and my scum reading her got me scumread by the town leaders, one of them not trusting me because I was a replacement.

night 3 I copchecked her. she returned mafia. we lynched her day 4 and she flipped roleblocker. I tried pushing her as scum for at least 1-2 cycles but no one listened, it was only after I screamed redcheck that people listened.

NocturneMage

United Kingdom1965 Posts

December 14 2015 02:17 GMT

#2490

reading Shining's final argument against disformation. I can't argue that in any sense. I don't understand the setup talk scumslip but the rest of the argument makes complete sense regarding motivations and interactions from his target's side of the house. as well as the lack of scepticism.

NocturneMage

United Kingdom1965 Posts

December 14 2015 02:21 GMT

#2491

On December 09 2015 08:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Final vote count

Fecalfeast (3): Trfel, The Shining, disformation
Trfel (3): NocturneMage, Fecalfeast, Rels
LightningStrike (1): Fidei86
Fidei86 (1): LightningStrike
Disinformation (1): DoYouHas

Fecalfeast is set to be lynched.

disformation being gone/out on a Friday is not alignment indicative regarding the day 4 votes.

From a scum standpoint on day 3, it's suboptimal for mafia to vote off wagon as it was, and the motive for disformation hammering another vanilla scum stands. The same point argues for Lightning Strike.

For the day 2 lynch on Dani, there were several other players that held doubt (cough, LS, cough) on HTS being scum (Trfel as well until he read the filter, and now we know that was town).

But the day 3 votes against motives I think is more indicative.