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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 11 2015 16:38 GMT
#2187
Wow I didn't realize both DYH and FF voted HTS 1 hour 40 after start of D2.
On December 04 2015 09:40 DoYouHas wrote:
##Vote: Half the Sky

On December 04 2015 09:42 Fecalfeast wrote:
##vote halfthesky
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 11 2015 16:50 GMT
#2189
Vote recaps

Day 1 recap

+ Show Spoiler +

kushm4sta (7): disformation, Fidei86, Damdred, LightningStrike, The Shining, Rels, Half the Sky, Palmar
LightningStrike (4): Damdred, disformation, Palmar, Half the Sky, kushm4sta, DoYouHas, Trfel
MoosyDoosy (0): Palmar, Fidei86, Trfel, disformation, kushm4sta, LightningStrike
Rels (0): kushm4sta
The Shining (0): Palmar
DoYouHas (0): Rels, Half the Sky, Palmar, Rels
Trfel (0): DoYouHas
Fidei86 (0): Rels
Half the Sky (0): kushm4sta
Trfel (0): Trfel

Not Voting (2): MoosyDoosy, Onegu


Day 2 recap

+ Show Spoiler +

Half the Sky (9): NocturneMage, DoYouHas, FecalFeast, Rels, Trfel, Fidei86, Palmar, The Shining, LightningStrike
DoYouHas (1): disformation
NocturneMage (1): Half the Sky


Day 3 recap
+ Show Spoiler +

FecalFeast (3): Trfel, The Shining, disformation
Trfel (3): NocturneMage, FecalFeast, Rels
LightningStrike (1): Fidei86, LightningStrike
Fidei86 (1): Rels, LightningStrike, LightningStrike
disformation (1): DoYouHas
DoYouHas (0): Rels, disformation
Rels (0): Trfel
NocturneMage (0): Trfel
disformation (0): DoYouHas
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 11 2015 16:54 GMT
#2190
On December 04 2015 09:43 Fecalfeast wrote:
Let's just wagon HTS since her going completely silent the moment her hubby shows up in the game makes me pause. I get that she's sick (get well soon) but trfel's weirdness has made me second guess how much I agree with his scumread on NM.


Here is FF post after voting HTS, 1h40 after the deadline. I didn't realize it; I actually thought FF tried to put suspicions on other people that day. Him voting her this early definitely mean it was a prepared bus. The last scum has to be NM or DYH.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 11 2015 17:01 GMT
#2192
Alright I'm leaving work, see you later. Please read the guide to winning this game I've found!
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 11 2015 19:32 GMT
#2228
Wtf
Let me get home and I'll slap both of you. Or lynch you if one of you is scummy.
Reading from phone, fidei s read seemed logical while nm seemed opportunistic, especially since he's dropping his suspicion on both dyh and disfo after saying dyh s answer was weird.
Nothing bought against me is scum indicative except the random Hts vote. Well, I can assure you that if I was scum, I would never have a non explained vote like that.
Fidei, the rest of your post is poe and fear, which btw seemed to have been caused by a casual nm question on my scum abilities.
Nm, you seemed to be over explaining to me. Will have to reread when I am on a PC.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 11 2015 20:12 GMT
#2229
On December 12 2015 02:39 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2015 02:35 Fidei86 wrote:
On December 12 2015 02:30 NocturneMage wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/499392-dark-tournament-mini-mafia-voting-thread?page=5

I voted him first thing. I pulled my vote (page 6) after I saw Rels' first argument.

whatever.

I meant this cycle. Or is the vote tally not up to date?


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On December 10 2015 08:09 NocturneMage wrote:
##vote disformation


Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 13:19 DoYouHas wrote:
##Vote: Disformation


Show nested quote +
On December 11 2015 10:45 NocturneMage wrote:
##unvote


I'm not going insane, am I?

I'm sober now, I was drunk last night phase, but....

So what ? When DYH voted disfo, you were already there; and when he switched to me, he was the only one on disfo. Do you still believe it's a good point ? Can you write it with your own words if you understand it ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 11 2015 20:14 GMT
#2230
On December 12 2015 03:09 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2015 01:32 Rels wrote:
On December 02 2015 01:27 Trfel wrote:
On December 01 2015 18:50 Rels wrote:
On December 01 2015 18:44 Trfel wrote:
On December 01 2015 18:41 Rels wrote:
On December 01 2015 18:16 Trfel wrote:
I kind of want to lynch The Shining, but that seems like a very bad idea right now. He's put in a bunch of effort (regardless of alignment) on a busy day for him. Most of the problems that I have with his posts are wording, tone, and a bit of consistency, which aren't the most reliable. I do feel that his posting somewhat fits mafia motivation, but I'm nowhere near confident enough to be happy lynching him now. I feel that The Shining's alignment will become very clear with a bit more time.

1 - this is sooooo non commital.
2 - we're right on the period Shining has no internet. So I have no idea what additionnal info you will have when he AFK for 24 hours.
What part of the "not lynching The Shining" part did you miss?

I thought I read "I kind of want to lynch The Shining" somewhere in that post.
This part about Shining reads to me as "I'm OK lynching Shining but I'll need someone to convince me."
Under normal circumstances, I'd be suspicious of The Shining here and would be maybe willing to lynch him Day 1. However, since The Shining probably won't be able to play much today, and wasn't 100% there yesterday, I think that giving him a Day 1 pass is probably best.

Sorry that wasn't clear in my initial posts.



Is anyone else kind of suspicious of Rels? The way that he has been throwing suspicions at everyone feels like he's trying to keep his options open to lynch anyone he chooses. I don't recall him posting a single townread (which isn't that important), but the way he's been pressuring so many people without follow through or without a serious push seem so strange. The vote on DoYouHas feels extremely opportunistic, as well.

I was really hoping that DoYouHas wouldn't be brought up for a while, I wanted to see what he did if he wasn't bothered. I remember checking the exact same thing that Rels mentioned earlier, and I'm not entirely on board, but I'll let DoYouHas speak for himself.

Yep I'm suspicious of too many people. I would lynch Damdred or DYH right now; fidei is weird; HTS' post on LS makes a lot of sense. Onegu and kush are useless.


There was a decent sequence between him and Damdred that seemed okay-ish or at least fleshed out. It seemed based on a lot of meta but I don't think that's mafia indicative for Rels. I think this becomes more mafia indicative depending on how his end of cycle was. I could agree with the DYH vote the time it was made, policy vote announcements are not really alignment indicative. He's got two lynches here, a scumlean in Fidei resumably. Not thinking this is mafia indicative.

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On December 02 2015 18:08 Rels wrote:
OK I have the weirdest reason to continue voting DYH.

I am not inspired by the few posts he made while I was sleeping. Could come from either alignement; plus I didn't like the "I do nothing for 5 hours, say I filter dove 4 people and I got no result".

I looked the database entry for him:
[W] Newbie Mini Mafia III Town Detective Survived
[W] Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia VII Town Vanilla Lynched Day 2
[W] Newbie Mini Mafia IV Town Vanilla Endgamed
[N] A Game of Thrones Mafia Town Vanilla Killed Night 1
[M][N] The Sum of All Fears Mafia Mafia Vanilla Survived
[N] TL Mafia LIV Town Vanilla Killed Night 2
[M][N] Dwarf Fortress Mini Mafia Mafia Vanilla Survived
[M][T] Paranoia Mafia Town Vigilante Killed Night 2
[M][T] Witchcraft Mini Mafia Mafia Godfather Lynched Day 2
[N] The Game Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 5

Since his second game, he was never lynched as town; but often killed. And he was lynched in his most recent scum game.
His filter this game is not a "never lynch this guy" filter; and it's sure not a "this guy will probably be NK" filter.


Don't think this post is a good one at all to scumread DYH now that I think of it. Whart are the compositions of the towns? Was he vigged? I'm not looking at through those games, but these conclusions don't address those circumstances. Circumstantial at best.

If he's making an argument that DYH is trying to break meta (this is possible) he has to weight that against his current gameplay. I've been 50/50 on DYH gameplay at worst.

I'm saying it looks like DYH is a strong town, not getting mislynched and getting killed multiple times; but getting lynched in his most recent mafia games. There is no "break meta", I don't know how you could imagine it.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 11 2015 20:16 GMT
#2231
On December 12 2015 03:28 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 20:40 Rels wrote:
To the potential cop / vig, since we cannot have both: I would use my ability on this group:
DYH, NM, Palmar.
I wouldn't vig Damdred, but I would cop check him since he cannot be GF if a cop is in the setup.


This could be potentially mafia indicative if DYH is lynched and flips town. I know I'm town and Damdred/Palmar have since flipped.

In his defence, Palmar's end of cycle was bad. though.

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On December 05 2015 00:44 Rels wrote:
Alright. ##Vote HTS


This is just really.....IDK. He was townreading her hard based on end of cycle, and DYH and I were leading the lynch.

I'm about halfway through Rels' filter. I'm voting him for now. But I'm going to try and come back roughly 30-45 or whatever and pick up on things or if something jumps at me one way or another.

On a re-read and refocus there are a few things I don't see and a few things that are creating doubt. The two minute time gap is too small between disformation's vote on FF and his vote on Trfel, but at the same time there was no telling if someone else could have potentially hammered Trfel. This is where I might be willing to buy into LS's theory of scum possibly screwing this up.

From the things you quoted, I don't understand why you are voting me. Last scum is either you or DYH anyway, so the game is won.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 11 2015 20:18 GMT
#2232
Alright I'll be with my GF until later; NM's vote on me seems opportunistic and overexplained. Still think DYH is the last scum though, so please read his filter / my posts on him and let's lynch him.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 11 2015 20:31 GMT
#2235
On December 12 2015 05:30 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2015 05:18 Rels wrote:
Alright I'll be with my GF until later; NM's vote on me seems opportunistic and overexplained. Still think DYH is the last scum though, so please read his filter / my posts on him and let's lynch him.


Hm. Is this someone truly fighting to get DYH lynched and believing his own scumread? I mean RL stuff is RL stuff but giving an afk excuse is pretty lousy. How later is later? Before EoD? After EoD? Meh.

When I'm not being lynched. I'm watching a movie with my gf, but I'll post if its needed to not be lynched.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 11 2015 20:46 GMT
#2237
Lol bro
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 11 2015 20:49 GMT
#2238
I still think dyh is scum though. Ff had an attack on , then sheep him on Trfel; seem a little too related to be partner
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 11 2015 20:52 GMT
#2239
On nm*
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 11 2015 21:00 GMT
#2241
@shining I have no explanation for that. The problem with nm being scum is ff s interaction with him; I think it's more likely dyh is scum than nm.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 11 2015 21:20 GMT
#2244
Alright. You all chose the right night to lynch me.
Everything you said is wrong and can be proven wrong. Whatever.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 11 2015 21:29 GMT
#2246
On December 12 2015 06:26 The Shining wrote:
I know something that cant be proven wrong.

Part of your DYH case refers to FFs interactions and lack of reads on DYH. I bet you'd never guess who else he almost literally never mentions in his filter.

I think I can guess it. Does he mention you too ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 11 2015 21:29 GMT
#2247
On December 12 2015 06:26 The Shining wrote:
I know something that cant be proven wrong.

Part of your DYH case refers to FFs interactions and lack of reads on DYH. I bet you'd never guess who else he almost literally never mentions in his filter.

The most important thing is how ff ask three people to expand his read on dyh. This is the big thing
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 11 2015 21:36 GMT
#2250
On December 12 2015 06:33 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2015 06:29 Rels wrote:
On December 12 2015 06:26 The Shining wrote:
I know something that cant be proven wrong.

Part of your DYH case refers to FFs interactions and lack of reads on DYH. I bet you'd never guess who else he almost literally never mentions in his filter.

I think I can guess it. Does he mention you too ?


He tried to pin the Kush mislynch on me like HtS did. A few times. Kinda spewed me town there lol

He tried to attack fidei for that. Why was dyh scumreading disfo and why did he vote him at deadline ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 11 2015 21:43 GMT
#2252
On December 12 2015 06:41 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2015 06:29 Rels wrote:
On December 12 2015 06:26 The Shining wrote:
I know something that cant be proven wrong.

Part of your DYH case refers to FFs interactions and lack of reads on DYH. I bet you'd never guess who else he almost literally never mentions in his filter.

The most important thing is how ff ask three people to expand his read on dyh. This is the big thing


Right but one post you used is actually quite telling about DYH's alignment. He had DYH as town and needed a reason to backtrack on that to ML if need be. One post, FF said "lets say HTS flips red here. What does that make you think of DYH?" I don't think I've ever seen scum mention his entire team in a post like that. The way that post read, its like he wanted someone to imply HTS flipping red implicates DYH flipping red, too. That's suicide as a scumteam, especially now that FF flipped, too.

It's like the Kush thing. If he can be convinced like HtS to vote because someone else lead it, and vote DYH, he can absolve himslef of blame for the mislynch.

Can you quote it ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 11 2015 21:52 GMT
#2256
One post, FF said "lets say HTS flips red here. What does that make you think of DYH?"
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