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On December 12 2015 02:22 Fidei86 wrote:@Alex Rels is god-tier mafia player. Probably one of the best on the site at the moment, or definitely the best in recent memory. I really think Rels is the last mafia here. Partly it's my POE, on the grounds that I think it's probably someone who was on Trfel, and I don't want to kill Alex yet because the big bus he planned is a bit too yolo for me to believe in. I just skimmed Rels' filter really quickly. It's not really indicative. But he barely says anything about FF really (at least not early on - I made it to page 7 before I ran out of steam). And his interactions with HTS I found really weird. He kept following on her posts with further comments. Or someone would be talking about her, and he'd be like "oh, well that's interesting, what do you think about other random townie". Also he got onto HTS totally randomly, having been wildly fluctuating around between DYH and Trfel. I recognise that this isn't exactly the most artfully put case ever. And it sort of contradicts what I've said about Rels before. THe truth is, he has a 15 page filter but I don't think he's said that much that is particularly compelling. The argument the other way is that Rels is super amazing at mafia and usually when he's mafia he's hyperactive. He is playing very differently this game, for sure. But the POE is strong. ##Vote:RelsI have to go to my Xmas Christmas Party tomorrow. Then I will sleep for approx. 1,000 yrs tomorrow. But when I wake up I will be ready to either celebrate the victory, or else figure out which of you other bastards is actually mafia 
arent you christmas partying all week already?
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Okay, just finished catching up. Still a bit puzzled, though.
At least I don't have to worry about my Rels tinfoil anymore. GG Rels.
Still think DYH has the highest chance to flip scum, but I will look at few things this evening. Probably trying to look at some votes first.
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On December 13 2015 02:36 LightningStrike wrote:
You posted that twice lol.....
He forget to colour Trfel green on Day 3 the first time.
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On December 13 2015 02:21 Fidei86 wrote:DAY 1 Show nested quote +Kushm4sta (7): Fidei86, Damdred, LS, Shining, Rels, HTS, Palm
LightningStrike (4): disformation, kushm4sta, DoYouHas, Trfel
Not Voting (2): MoosyDoosy, Onegu DAY 2 Show nested quote +Half the Sky (9): NocturneMage, DoYouHas, Fecalfeast, Rels, Trfel, Fidei86, Palmar, The Shining, LightningStrike
DoYouHas (1): disformation
NocturneMage (1): Half the Sky DAY 3 Show nested quote +Fecalfeast (3): Trfel, The Shining, disformation
Trfel (3): NocturneMage, Fecalfeast, Rels
LightningStrike (1): Fidei86
Fidei86 (1): LightningStrike
Disinformation (1): DoYouHas DAY 4 Show nested quote +Rels (3): DoYouHas, NocturneMage, The Shining
DoYouHas (2): disformation, LightningStrike
NocturneMage (2): Fidei86, Rels
Few random thoughts:
I heard that scum tries to not vote for the same ppl a few times, since it might lead town to uncover further connections between them.
D1 that would point to: disformation and DoYouHas. Unfortunately MoosyDoosy didn't vote.
D3 that would make it slightly less likely for NM to be scum... was DYH on Trfel before randomly voting me? Need to check.
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On December 13 2015 02:57 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2015 02:21 Fidei86 wrote:DAY 1 Kushm4sta (7): Fidei86, Damdred, LS, Shining, Rels, HTS, Palm
LightningStrike (4): disformation, kushm4sta, DoYouHas, Trfel
Not Voting (2): MoosyDoosy, Onegu DAY 2 Half the Sky (9): NocturneMage, DoYouHas, Fecalfeast, Rels, Trfel, Fidei86, Palmar, The Shining, LightningStrike
DoYouHas (1): disformation
NocturneMage (1): Half the Sky DAY 3 Fecalfeast (3): Trfel, The Shining, disformation
Trfel (3): NocturneMage, Fecalfeast, Rels
LightningStrike (1): Fidei86
Fidei86 (1): LightningStrike
Disinformation (1): DoYouHas DAY 4 Rels (3): DoYouHas, NocturneMage, The Shining
DoYouHas (2): disformation, LightningStrike
NocturneMage (2): Fidei86, Rels Few random thoughts: I heard that scum tries to not vote for the same ppl a few times, since it might lead town to uncover further connections between them. D1 that would point to: disformation and DoYouHas. Unfortunately MoosyDoosy didn't vote. D3 that would make it slightly less likely for NM to be scum... was DYH on Trfel before randomly voting me? Need to check.
Nah, DYH was no voting before voting me D3.
Hm, *scratches head*
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On December 13 2015 03:43 The Shining wrote:
So it's more likely he was just around to defend himself. The moment Rels and DYH were the main wagons, disformation disappeared.
Lynch disfo. My case is still accurate. Please.
Especially if I get shot tonight
I would not have been there yesterday even if I was the main wagon. You also haven't told me what you didn't like about my response to your case.
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On December 13 2015 03:41 The Shining wrote:
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Disfo wasnt even around for eod. He is still trying go get DYH, arguably the scummiest player [...], lynched. Rels said disfo was town for being around last day phase. That's NAI. He was being scumeead
Fixed. 
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Uh... okay so that happened... =/
This day is gonna be disformation vs DoYouHas then (again)?
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Wait wat?
NM do you have anything other than the tinfoil? Oo
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On December 13 2015 08:14 NocturneMage wrote:
I'll try and crack on this more when I get off work or tomorrow morning.
For sure though if one thing can be confirmed, it's that James is an idiot vig. Who does dick all with their gun the entire game??
unless he stacked kp or something with mafia? that's the only thing I can think of?
apparently he's a lawyer, he can't be that stupid.
back to work.
I am thinking... wasn't he scumreading Palmar at some point like D2/N2? Maybe Palmar is just so feared he got shot by both sides? =/
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On December 13 2015 08:26 The Shining wrote:
Meh w.e i guess he couldve stacked kp with scum...but that means shooting Damdred, Palmar or Trfel is an equally bad play. Smh.
On the flip side, my being alive could mean Disfo is town after all and they want me to push the mislynch on him. NM is finding pretty shitty reasons to scum me here, seemingly out of nowhere, after being willing to sheep me last day phase on Disfo before swapping over to Rels(voting with me).
He also unvoted pretty early as if waiting to see which vote would be safer. He lynched Rels. Scum shot Fidei. What do those two have in common? Both town, both tried to shenanny onto NM, who had a weird goodbye post before he was ever shenannied on.
I'm gonna flip a coin. Because one of disfo/NM is scum and NM is flipping his read too easily here.
Hmm... what happened to this?
On December 12 2015 07:50 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 07:40 NocturneMage wrote:
and trying to pick back up on Rels' filter as well.
I'm honestly grappling here. There is nothing right now that is screaming mafia about DYH. I really feel the case being made against him is 50/50 at best. I tried lining all shit up, I tried isolating his case against hts, like I said time and again there's an equal possibility he could have pushed the Dani lynch on his own. there are certain elements of her play that could have allowed him to do this.
my other hesistancy is that the points being made is that ff is the one making the points and dyh never got to him for all I could tell. like I thought and thought, I mean I could honestly see this go either way. ff can spout off whatever.
scum have a general generic tendency to fall off but this, dyh just seems like someone who is damned busy to play.
the only thing that jumps at me is voting disformation in the event that disformation is town but that's unflipped association. This feela like possible distancing/TMI about DYH. Tempted to lynch DYH and NM if he flips town now, ugh.
So you think I am just more scummy than DYH? Can you give me a few points on why Rels last case on DYH is not good? Or stuff in my defense I could expand upon?
You know: help me to help you.
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On December 13 2015 09:03 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2015 08:52 disformation wrote:On December 13 2015 08:26 The Shining wrote:
Meh w.e i guess he couldve stacked kp with scum...but that means shooting Damdred, Palmar or Trfel is an equally bad play. Smh.
On the flip side, my being alive could mean Disfo is town after all and they want me to push the mislynch on him. NM is finding pretty shitty reasons to scum me here, seemingly out of nowhere, after being willing to sheep me last day phase on Disfo before swapping over to Rels(voting with me).
He also unvoted pretty early as if waiting to see which vote would be safer. He lynched Rels. Scum shot Fidei. What do those two have in common? Both town, both tried to shenanny onto NM, who had a weird goodbye post before he was ever shenannied on.
I'm gonna flip a coin. Because one of disfo/NM is scum and NM is flipping his read too easily here. Hmm... what happened to this? On December 12 2015 07:50 The Shining wrote:On December 12 2015 07:40 NocturneMage wrote:
and trying to pick back up on Rels' filter as well.
I'm honestly grappling here. There is nothing right now that is screaming mafia about DYH. I really feel the case being made against him is 50/50 at best. I tried lining all shit up, I tried isolating his case against hts, like I said time and again there's an equal possibility he could have pushed the Dani lynch on his own. there are certain elements of her play that could have allowed him to do this.
my other hesistancy is that the points being made is that ff is the one making the points and dyh never got to him for all I could tell. like I thought and thought, I mean I could honestly see this go either way. ff can spout off whatever.
scum have a general generic tendency to fall off but this, dyh just seems like someone who is damned busy to play.
the only thing that jumps at me is voting disformation in the event that disformation is town but that's unflipped association. This feela like possible distancing/TMI about DYH. Tempted to lynch DYH and NM if he flips town now, ugh. So you think I am just more scummy than DYH? Can you give me a few points on why Rels last case on DYH is not good? Or stuff in my defense I could expand upon? You know: help me to help you. Your vote on DYH while saying HTS is scum is still bad. DYH had his case on HTS before NM did. And nah doing either of those would require me still caring about this game, which I don't now that I know we had either a stacked or wasted Vig shot. Maybe I'll get around to why Rels case on DYH wasn't good. I already made a few posts on the points regarding FFs interactions with DYH but its whatever. This game is dragging and I'm tilting, its obvious and it is probably one of the reasons why I'm still alive.
Okay, fair enough.
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Okay, here now. Will look at some filters (pretty much the filters of the ppl alive at this point).
If anyone has some questions/wants to talk about something, I am available.
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On December 14 2015 01:05 LightningStrike wrote:
dis did you get any new information from reading the filters now that James had flipped Vig?
Still on it. Should maybe look at Fidei86 again, too.
What happened between:
On December 12 2015 01:35 LightningStrike wrote:Okay I rather lynch DYH over dis atm after looking at their filters myself. I would like Shining to come back in and talk and see where he is at 
and:
On December 13 2015 03:54 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2015 03:41 The Shining wrote:
Nah I'm going back to lynching disformation. We let him off too easy yesterday and it pisses me off. How is it that people can suspect NM of bussing his RB but disfo is suddenly hard town for hammering FF?
Disfo wasnt even around for eod. He is still trying go get DYH, arguably the lowest content player and one of the easiest lynches now, lynched. Rels said disfo was town for being around last day phase. That's NAI. He was being scumeead I willing to sheep you this time around Shining if that makes you feel better. I honestly don't know why Rels hammered himself still.....
Also I think you wanted to look at a few filters again, too. So if you find out something new, feel free to post, too.
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On December 14 2015 02:09 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 01:38 disformation wrote:On December 14 2015 01:05 LightningStrike wrote:
dis did you get any new information from reading the filters now that James had flipped Vig? Still on it. Should maybe look at Fidei86 again, too. What happened between: On December 12 2015 01:35 LightningStrike wrote:Okay I rather lynch DYH over dis atm after looking at their filters myself. I would like Shining to come back in and talk and see where he is at and: On December 13 2015 03:54 LightningStrike wrote:On December 13 2015 03:41 The Shining wrote:
Nah I'm going back to lynching disformation. We let him off too easy yesterday and it pisses me off. How is it that people can suspect NM of bussing his RB but disfo is suddenly hard town for hammering FF?
Disfo wasnt even around for eod. He is still trying go get DYH, arguably the lowest content player and one of the easiest lynches now, lynched. Rels said disfo was town for being around last day phase. That's NAI. He was being scumeead I willing to sheep you this time around Shining if that makes you feel better. I honestly don't know why Rels hammered himself still..... Also I think you wanted to look at a few filters again, too. So if you find out something new, feel free to post, too. Tinfoil happened I starting to think that there is real chance that NM really bussed his wife for insane towncred because MD's slot needed it. Also I remember reading Ver's guide on how to play mafia and one he noted is that towncred is overrated so (shrugs). Maybe no lynch could be a good idea too but I need to check something in the op.
Hm. Currently looking at NM's filter. Didn't find something that would make me want lynch NM over DYH so far.
No lynch. Hm...
Currently we have 4-1, right?
ML would put us at 2-1. MYLO/LYLO whatever that one is.
No Lynch would put us at 3-1. MYLO/LYLO the other one then.
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On December 14 2015 02:49 LightningStrike wrote:
Wait we can lynch one more person before LYLO so ya lynching might be our best option but the question is who do we lynch.
Yeah, exactly. You're going to sheep The Shining?
Still slogging through the filters, but to be completely honest I am not even sure what I am looking for at this point.
DYH is still more likely than NM imo.
There are some parts in your filter I didn't like much, like not doing a lot of game solving D1 and a large part of D2 and you were the last one to hop on HtS, while maintaining a null read on her most of D2. Though I don't think I should be allowed to criticize you for that. xD
Also NM pointed out that you are at least somewhat capable of faking your town meta as scum.
Still think The Shining is town, but I'll have a look at his filter just in case.
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Aight. Gonna try to get my shit together, pick my sweetheart out of the three options, try to explain why I can't resist him and then gonna vote for the sake of our eternal love.
This and much more after the dinner break.
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Ah nearly forgot: DoYouHas a preferred sweetheart atm?
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On December 14 2015 04:36 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 04:24 disformation wrote:
Ah nearly forgot: DoYouHas a preferred sweetheart atm? Currently in the first half of NM's filter. Still getting the town feels. Will see if that persists by the time I get to the end. I agree with Shining's votecount reasoning why LS is unlikely (he could have easily prevented the FF lynch as an outlier voter, but didn't) My money is currently on you Disfo in spite of the hammer. I'm not 100% on this, but we'll see how things shake out.
Maybe we are just a match made in the heavens and doomed to scum read each other.
Yeah the thing with NM is:
bussing HtS like this would be a super sick scum play and NM and HtS would probably have an easy time talking about this. His tone is a bit different to his last towngame (where I was town too), but it looks even more different to his last mafia game, where he was barely communicating. Though I think that mafia game was his first game on tl.net, so he could have gotten better. Still don't see him going from barely communicating to going to a 18 page filter, after replacing in after D1.
Also ignoring the possible bus stuff his filter looks town to me.
His random The Shining vote this cycle looks a bit wtf, though.
So overall I don't think he will flip scum.
Also still think The Shining is town.
PoE like this leaves me with LightningStrike and DoYouHas. This is a bit tougher for me currently, so give me a moment.
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On December 14 2015 05:01 The Shining wrote:
Hmmmm.
Town mindset: shining if you're town, don't tilt, continue playing and help find the last scum.
Scum mindset: ok shining fair enough, keep tilting, let me win this game.
DYH is town. Disfo is scum.
##Vote: disfo
On December 13 2015 08:52 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2015 08:26 The Shining wrote:
Meh w.e i guess he couldve stacked kp with scum...but that means shooting Damdred, Palmar or Trfel is an equally bad play. Smh.
On the flip side, my being alive could mean Disfo is town after all and they want me to push the mislynch on him. NM is finding pretty shitty reasons to scum me here, seemingly out of nowhere, after being willing to sheep me last day phase on Disfo before swapping over to Rels(voting with me).
He also unvoted pretty early as if waiting to see which vote would be safer. He lynched Rels. Scum shot Fidei. What do those two have in common? Both town, both tried to shenanny onto NM, who had a weird goodbye post before he was ever shenannied on.
I'm gonna flip a coin. Because one of disfo/NM is scum and NM is flipping his read too easily here. Hmm... what happened to this? Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 07:50 The Shining wrote:On December 12 2015 07:40 NocturneMage wrote:
and trying to pick back up on Rels' filter as well.
I'm honestly grappling here. There is nothing right now that is screaming mafia about DYH. I really feel the case being made against him is 50/50 at best. I tried lining all shit up, I tried isolating his case against hts, like I said time and again there's an equal possibility he could have pushed the Dani lynch on his own. there are certain elements of her play that could have allowed him to do this.
my other hesistancy is that the points being made is that ff is the one making the points and dyh never got to him for all I could tell. like I thought and thought, I mean I could honestly see this go either way. ff can spout off whatever.
scum have a general generic tendency to fall off but this, dyh just seems like someone who is damned busy to play.
the only thing that jumps at me is voting disformation in the event that disformation is town but that's unflipped association. This feela like possible distancing/TMI about DYH. Tempted to lynch DYH and NM if he flips town now, ugh. So you think I am just more scummy than DYH? Can you give me a few points on why Rels last case on DYH is not good? Or stuff in my defense I could expand upon? You know: help me to help you.
On December 13 2015 09:10 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2015 09:03 The Shining wrote:On December 13 2015 08:52 disformation wrote:On December 13 2015 08:26 The Shining wrote:
Meh w.e i guess he couldve stacked kp with scum...but that means shooting Damdred, Palmar or Trfel is an equally bad play. Smh.
On the flip side, my being alive could mean Disfo is town after all and they want me to push the mislynch on him. NM is finding pretty shitty reasons to scum me here, seemingly out of nowhere, after being willing to sheep me last day phase on Disfo before swapping over to Rels(voting with me).
He also unvoted pretty early as if waiting to see which vote would be safer. He lynched Rels. Scum shot Fidei. What do those two have in common? Both town, both tried to shenanny onto NM, who had a weird goodbye post before he was ever shenannied on.
I'm gonna flip a coin. Because one of disfo/NM is scum and NM is flipping his read too easily here. Hmm... what happened to this? On December 12 2015 07:50 The Shining wrote:On December 12 2015 07:40 NocturneMage wrote:
and trying to pick back up on Rels' filter as well.
I'm honestly grappling here. There is nothing right now that is screaming mafia about DYH. I really feel the case being made against him is 50/50 at best. I tried lining all shit up, I tried isolating his case against hts, like I said time and again there's an equal possibility he could have pushed the Dani lynch on his own. there are certain elements of her play that could have allowed him to do this.
my other hesistancy is that the points being made is that ff is the one making the points and dyh never got to him for all I could tell. like I thought and thought, I mean I could honestly see this go either way. ff can spout off whatever.
scum have a general generic tendency to fall off but this, dyh just seems like someone who is damned busy to play.
the only thing that jumps at me is voting disformation in the event that disformation is town but that's unflipped association. This feela like possible distancing/TMI about DYH. Tempted to lynch DYH and NM if he flips town now, ugh. So you think I am just more scummy than DYH? Can you give me a few points on why Rels last case on DYH is not good? Or stuff in my defense I could expand upon? You know: help me to help you. Your vote on DYH while saying HTS is scum is still bad. DYH had his case on HTS before NM did. And nah doing either of those would require me still caring about this game, which I don't now that I know we had either a stacked or wasted Vig shot. Maybe I'll get around to why Rels case on DYH wasn't good. I already made a few posts on the points regarding FFs interactions with DYH but its whatever. This game is dragging and I'm tilting, its obvious and it is probably one of the reasons why I'm still alive. Okay, fair enough.
So that means I am both town and scum? In this case I think I have to rethink my approach to this game as town. I just didn't want to press into going even more tilt. -.-
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