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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
December 14 2015 23:17 GMT
#2601
Maybe we could meet in the middle Trfel, you consolidate and I'll expand.
Guts? Determination? $5?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 14 2015 23:18 GMT
#2602
Also I need to figure out a way to play this game a bit more efficiently.
Like I feel I am trying to cover my lack of skill in some areas with time/effort.
And the last two games took a huge chunk out of my time.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 14 2015 23:18 GMT
#2603
Also that scum qt is nothing.
I had HtS as a town coach in my second game here and that QT hat over 800 posts.
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
December 14 2015 23:19 GMT
#2604
On December 15 2015 08:18 disformation wrote:
Also I need to figure out a way to play this game a bit more efficiently.
Like I feel I am trying to cover my lack of skill in some areas with time/effort.
And the last two games took a huge chunk out of my time.


Remarkably, I felt this way too. I just felt like most of the time I didn't have anything relevant/important to say.
Guts? Determination? $5?
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 14 2015 23:19 GMT
#2605
Yeah on the topic of postcount, there's no way I should ever have a 20 page filter especially replacing in. I definitely need to cut back on posting. Damn.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
December 14 2015 23:20 GMT
#2606
On December 15 2015 08:13 disformation wrote:
Ah, I kinda was in love with my nk's though.
In hindsight I should have shot TS N2 instead of Palmar, if I knew he would be so on point later.
Will shoot TS early next time.


Lmao I never got shot. I hope it stays that way. I'm usually always wrong until D2-3 XD
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 14 2015 23:21 GMT
#2607
On December 15 2015 08:19 DoYouHas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 08:18 disformation wrote:
Also I need to figure out a way to play this game a bit more efficiently.
Like I feel I am trying to cover my lack of skill in some areas with time/effort.
And the last two games took a huge chunk out of my time.


Remarkably, I felt this way too. I just felt like most of the time I didn't have anything relevant/important to say.


To be honest:
I am a bit biased towards low volume posters, because often times it can get hard to follow their read progression or train of thoughts. You know the things I tried pushing you for. But the reads you came out of nowhere with where pretty damn good. Like the one on HtS and a few of the things on me where pretty good.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 14 2015 23:22 GMT
#2608
On December 15 2015 08:19 NocturneMage wrote:
Yeah on the topic of postcount, there's no way I should ever have a 20 page filter especially replacing in. I definitely need to cut back on posting. Damn.


Yeah I felt like I had to try and keep up with you guys, especially after having a pretty long filter in my last town game.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 14 2015 23:22 GMT
#2609
Well if anyone has any feedback for me let me know. I mean I know my tone and attitude threw some people off that knew me and I see that the obs qt it was mentioned I was playing a bit emotionally. That part is accurate, partially for in-game and out-of-game reasons. But that aside, any other comments, let me know.

I think voting analysis is something I always have trouble deciding what is more likely and I've been told that a really good scum player can "look town" even through votes, but it's hard to weight that versus screwing up without weighing other forms of scumhunting like filters, and whatever.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 14 2015 23:23 GMT
#2610
And glad to hear that you guys were waffling more than you let on, this last day phase. =p
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 14 2015 23:25 GMT
#2611
On December 15 2015 08:22 NocturneMage wrote:
Well if anyone has any feedback for me let me know. I mean I know my tone and attitude threw some people off that knew me and I see that the obs qt it was mentioned I was playing a bit emotionally. That part is accurate, partially for in-game and out-of-game reasons. But that aside, any other comments, let me know.

I think voting analysis is something I always have trouble deciding what is more likely and I've been told that a really good scum player can "look town" even through votes, but it's hard to weight that versus screwing up without weighing other forms of scumhunting like filters, and whatever.
It's way easier to talk the talk than walk the walk, but here we go....

Your reasoning to scumread Rels was really bad. IIRC, you were scumreading him because he said something that you disagreed with, but his interpretation was plausible for town to arrive at. Townies will always disagree about stuff, and so that ends up not being a very good reason.

Basically, just be really careful when you're focusing on who's right and who's wrong, and specific reasons for stuff that come down to wording, etc.

Of course, doing this would have let me avoid scumreading you and Damdred, so... bleh.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
December 14 2015 23:26 GMT
#2612
Mannnn. I just read the scum QT. Disfo, I still love ya, mate. Idk why but I'm feeling kinda bad now XD
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 14 2015 23:26 GMT
#2613
On December 15 2015 08:15 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 08:13 NocturneMage wrote:
On December 15 2015 08:08 disformation wrote:
Eh yeah sry guys.
Like on one hand I know this was my first scum game ever. + I had no coach.
Onegu got sick.
HtS got sick and her husband got replaced into the game.
So I know this wasn't the ideal situation and a hard game to roll first time scum.

But on the other hand I feel like most of town did so many mistakes I could have had this, if I didn't screw up even harder. And I feel like I made billions of mistakes, so I am a bit frustrated.

The Shining was ultra super fucking on blast though. No clue how to handle a case on me when it is like 90-100% accurate.

Also not gonna alt+f4 and unistall. Imma take a break and cohost the next nsm. Which just opened. So if you want to play in that, feel free to sign up.


LOL? Dani coached you a shittonne from what I'm reading. Even phoneposting from her bed. Clearly she wanted you in the game even as she was unable to continue herself.

Evil, evil HTS....but I also know she really values team play so obviously she's going to do something like that for you...

Honestly you did better than I did my first scum game. Don't sweat it. I'm told it takes several games to master the scum game. Just look at what went right and what went wrong. You are also up against people with 4-5x the experience you have.


Yeah, HtS tried to do as much as she could.
But I would have loved to have someone giving me hints on how to deal with TS later on, or how to proceed the last like two cycles, because I was getting lost in filters and started to fall off and stuff.


I think she spent at least 75% of the day between last Tuesday-Friday in bed. Like I told Fidei, I am pretty shocked she didn't replace out.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 14 2015 23:27 GMT
#2614
So yeah my biggest screw ups where like the failure to hop onto the HtS while saying she is probably scum.
And the "a bit" to obvious move onto FF.

The thing with HtS is, that I think town!disfo would be very hesitant to vote HtS as well, so I was bit torn there.
With FF I missed the first two opportunities to bus him, cause he wasn't there and I didn't want to bus him without permission. xD

Also later on had trouble deciding whether I want to stay on DYH, cause I couldnt find more to scum read him, or just keep tunneling, which is super unusual for town!disformation.
but I couldnt get a reasonable scum read on NM.
maybe should have tried LS.

Sooo many things that were not optimal this game. xD
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 14 2015 23:27 GMT
#2615
On December 15 2015 08:26 The Shining wrote:
Mannnn. I just read the scum QT. Disfo, I still love ya, mate. Idk why but I'm feeling kinda bad now XD


I wub you, too. <3

Went a bit on tilt once or twice in there, though.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 14 2015 23:28 GMT
#2616
Oh, and one more thing.... (more general)

Never lynch someone because "there's no reason not to." That just means that scum is playing well and you need to look harder.

DoYouHas never really had any reason to be lynched throughout the game, but he was voted for many, many times. Just because you can't necessarily town read him (for the purpose of this argument) doesn't make him a good lynch, just because he scumread Half the Sky after NocturneMage replaced in doesn't make him mafia. Same with LightningStrike, just because the End of Day VT claim wasn't a 100% indicator of him being town, doesn't mean that he should be lynched because there wasn't much reason to lynch him to begin with.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
December 14 2015 23:29 GMT
#2617
I sorta tried at first but man that fallout game makes me forget about real life
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 14 2015 23:30 GMT
#2618
On December 15 2015 08:29 Fecalfeast wrote:
I sorta tried at first but man that fallout game makes me forget about real life


I need to upgrade my toaster so I can play that, too.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
December 14 2015 23:32 GMT
#2619
My machine is bottlenecked at the graphics card so I only rock low settings. Still looks good to me, old gamer privilege I guess
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 14 2015 23:34 GMT
#2620
On December 15 2015 08:32 Fecalfeast wrote:
My machine is bottlenecked at the graphics card so I only rock low settings. Still looks good to me, old gamer privilege I guess


Well, both my cpu and my graphics card are pretty old, since for the most part I play like RPG or strategy games and those tend to run on toasters if you don't want to rock max settings, so I don't upgrade that often.
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