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Shining bro I could sheep that. But concerning the "no mention his teammates" stuff, I have the feeling that FF and DYH did it too.
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On December 09 2015 18:47 Fidei86 wrote:
The thing I don't understand is how the VCA, in my mind, massively implicates either Rels or Alex. But neither seems to think that it could possibly be the other. ???
Reading FF's filter yesterday I had the feeling NM couldn't be scum with him. I need to reread to see why I thought that. Voting doesn't really incriminates him IMO.
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OK it's not as much decisive as I thought, but here it is. FF on NM. Two things:
1 - FF puts suspicions on NM by himself, not quoting or sheeping anyone. This is town indicative for NM.
On December 03 2015 11:48 Fecalfeast wrote:I can't be the only one who read all these NM posts as though he is really trying to put on a show, right? Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 10:57 NocturneMage wrote:
yo, at work, on mobile, finishing work late tonight, need to go to bed right after though and I have seminars all damn day tomorrow.
I've not read dick all or followed the game for d1 quite yet, but I'm VT and I'm ready to fuck up some dirty dirty scummers.
reading from end of cycle, I'm pretty suspicious of trfel again (I say again because he was scum the last game) but that's mainly because of how he played last game. of course he'd push moosydoosy, he's unreadable as fuck as either alignment. same desperation emotions when no one is listening to him. unless he does this as town. cool story bro, try harder because I'm not scum. IDK maybe I'm being a shitlord but why do you need to mention twice that you're town? Let alone claiming VT in a setup where, from what I can tell, mafia doesn't know the roles in the game. Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 11:08 NocturneMage wrote:
hts is a sleazeball as mafia, I love her to death, but I'll pretty much know immediately if she's mafia because I obviously know her in real life and if she's out of bounds with her personality, she is almost certainly mafia. obviously if I think she's mafia, I will case her in a way that doesn't require you to know her in real life. unless her dota friends want to argue they have some feels on her from external behaviour. rels, fidei? I'm looking at you two.
although seeing doyouhas' post, if hts got someone lynched who was scumreading her, that is a major red flag in my book. that is routine mafia play for her. dani as mafia will absolutely push the lynches of the people who want her dead. so dyh, what was her role in the lynch? This is also reading like you already have a read on her. You even tell someone to give you information about her regarding the lynch in the context that she got someone lynched strategically yet don't actually know? Feels like you're already aware of what you want to read HTS but you're also talking like you haven't read anything. Throwing you in the suspicious pile
2 - FF discusses a little bit with NM. Not much, but more than some other people (DYH, fidei, me). This is town indicative, as scum usually avoids each other in thread.
On December 04 2015 09:48 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 09:46 NocturneMage wrote:
The LS filter is trash but the main argument I'm reading is that could he have intentionally tried that? Someone was saying he was getting coaching from the mafia QT on that shit?
I think he has enough games he could pull it off? Thank you! Someone else who understand that a minute is a long time in the context of a shenanigan eod
On December 05 2015 08:37 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2015 08:35 NocturneMage wrote:Checking end of cycle or close to it... On December 03 2015 06:44 Palmar wrote:On December 03 2015 06:40 Trfel wrote:
Palmar, take a look at LightningStrike, but I'm not sure that I would trust Damdred.
If you avoid lynching MoosyDoosy because Damdred said so, I'll be extremely displeased. No, it's more of an internal fight. I have two conflicting goals and I don't know how to proceed. 1) I want to lynch useless shit people just because I don't want to play with them. vs 2) I want to actually win the game so it's technically better to pray these baddies get shot or checked while trying to lynch mafia. I do not believe your case for Moosy being mafia. I think it doesn't say much about his alignment. His filter is terrible, but it's not mafia terrible, at least not to me. It's just plain terrible. I will, however, look at LS like damdy asked me to. This post strikes me as towny, he is laying his agenda out there but then here he goes later: On December 03 2015 07:54 Palmar wrote:On December 03 2015 07:53 Rels wrote:On December 03 2015 07:51 Palmar wrote:On December 03 2015 07:10 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 07:04 Palmar wrote:
Do people like... ever... build good cases anymore? Palmar, you're not doing anything yourself, so you're going to have to stop this. Remember in Mini Mafia Down Under 2? We had a really good case and push against Alakaslam and you ruined it for a policy lynch. I realize that you're extremely talented and one of the best players on the site, but it's still possible that once in a while, someone else knows something that you don't (and just because they can't explain it well doesn't invalidate this). You don't need to attack me as well. I know this?? That's exactly why, I know that currently I don't have a lot of good ideas, and damdred's idea looks like a decent one so I'm just gonna roll with that. You said "DYH is a good lynch". DYH made two posts since: On December 03 2015 07:01 DoYouHas wrote:
Catching up now.
I can't see any scum motivation behind Trfel's hard defending of me. It doesn't even look like positioning for my flip is even really a possibility here. I was going after him, voted him, thread sentiment is against me. I'm an easy EASY person for scum trfel to keep the heat on. That he ran the other direction when there is no reason to as mafia is major town points in my book. Unvoting. On December 03 2015 07:36 DoYouHas wrote:
Welp, if you don't have good scumreads, sheep the wagon of your townreads.
##Vote: LS Thoughts ?? I also said I misread one of his posts. I don't really care. LS is a fine lynch. DYH is being shit, but so are multiple other players. So that post and "I have no good reason to call LS town, so fuck it" and then that follows into the post where he said that kushmasta scumreading LS for shitty meta (or similar) was overexplanation, and (1) I disagreed with the reason and (2) I can't understand his move to kush when kush echoed a reason that, given Palmar's previous comments about LS, should have IMO resonated with Palmar. I cannot grasp at all between posts 728 and 738 why he switched the votes the way he did. that still looks really bad. posts after list posts and deciding to lynch hts because of his read on me and the whole sexy filter thing just come off as lazy town, like he's taking some sort of shortcut without reading the filter. then palmar says the overthinking possibly suspiciously? I don't understand where there was a basis to suggest Fidei's last response as possibly mafia motivated. overall, tough call. end of cycle voting looks really bad but looking hard at timestamps when he switched (2 minutes) he could have flubbed because he might have been lazy. I disagree that his progression is easy to follow though. Hm I didn't think of the bolded from that angle.
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On December 09 2015 07:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
GG boys I was VT
No matter how many times I read this, I laugh every time (=
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Now here is what FF does concerning DYH:
1 - never talked directly to him.
2 - does not have a read on him ever:
On December 04 2015 10:33 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 10:24 disformation wrote:On December 04 2015 10:15 Fecalfeast wrote:
I replaced into one of these high effort games eh? I don't think I can compete with Trfel.  This HtS thing is super confusing to me right now, so I was trying to find something in the EoD1. Like Trfel is sending mixed signal, NocturneMage replaced into a super shady looking slot with some shady looking entry posts and the guy I have a scum read on (DYH) hesitates not a second to vote with NM... though after rereading DYH's case on HtS it isn't bad... which brings me to the next point: If I ignore HtS's sickness, she doesn't good either. Can't even hope that Damdred comes in, drops three one liners, and drops some of his logic...  Btw, do you have a read on DYH? not yet no
On December 05 2015 08:28 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2015 08:17 disformation wrote:On December 05 2015 08:12 Fecalfeast wrote:
Ok am at work what's up boys I see hts still hasn't popped up? Guess she gave up?
Hmmm... I think her last post was at start of N1 when kush flipped? So possible. Currently looking at Fidei86's filter. Any questions for me while I am around? Have you looked at DYH, yet? Right, no, on it chief.
The only posts where we can guess his read on DYH are these ones. It looks like he's townleaning him, but not much. This is a scum partner indicator.
On December 05 2015 11:07 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2015 11:01 Trfel wrote:On December 05 2015 10:55 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 05 2015 10:29 Trfel wrote:On December 05 2015 10:06 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 04 2015 10:51 disformation wrote:Too make my argument a bit more readable: - scum is hiding in the middleground
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 08:30 DoYouHas wrote:I don't like a lot about Trfel right now. I don't like that he made a mountain out of a molehill with Damdred and did a snap OMGUS. I don't like how he is sliding between sheeping Palmar and Rels. I don't like how he is complaining that Damdred won't work with him, which should not matter unless his read did a 180 and he is confident Damdred is town, and I really don't like this: Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 02:24 Trfel wrote:
I realized that DoYouHas' activity fits a mafia motivation fairly strongly, assuming that Damdred is town. And still fits somewhat if Damdred is mafia. A strong scumread on me with no explanation, even when pressed. Maybe he just doesn't have a good explanation at this point. Side note, he complains that Damdred won't work with him but refuses to work with Damdred when he gets pressed on his reasoning for attacking me. The conciliatory nature of some of Trfels posts gave me pause since he was so bullheaded with his scumgame last time but I would definitely put him top of my list at the moment. I get the town feels from a lot of the movers and shakers this game which makes me think that scum are hiding in the middle ground, so that is where I'm going to look next. P.S. I wasn't trying excuse a lack of posting. I was pointing out that there are large stretches of time where I cannot post. People seemed to be jumping on the wagon simply because I was afk.
- Was reading the middleground ppl (Fid,HtS,LS,disfo), but haven't got anything out of it
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.
Gnight folks
@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels.
- "Got no scumreads" (really?) "so i am sheeping town" "btw disfo totally town now"
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 07:36 DoYouHas wrote:
Welp, if you don't have good scumreads, sheep the wagon of your townreads.
##Vote: LS On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote:
What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is.
Wat? I have pointed this problem out, Rels has pointed this out, but nothing happens. can you flesh out why you think this progression is scummy any further? I'm looking at this filter and while it's a little short on portion size it's looking pretty well explained. Not to mention the fact that if HTS flips red here the fact remains that he brought her up as a potential target before NM + Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 11:08 NocturneMage wrote:
hts is a sleazeball as mafia, I love her to death, but I'll pretty much know immediately if she's mafia because I obviously know her in real life and if she's out of bounds with her personality, she is almost certainly mafia. obviously if I think she's mafia, I will case her in a way that doesn't require you to know her in real life. unless her dota friends want to argue they have some feels on her from external behaviour. rels, fidei? I'm looking at you two.
although seeing doyouhas' post, if hts got someone lynched who was scumreading her, that is a major red flag in my book. that is routine mafia play for her. dani as mafia will absolutely push the lynches of the people who want her dead. so dyh, what was her role in the lynch? I'm clearly not playing this game right because I actually really, really like what disformation says here. But I didn't care that much when he first said it Basically, DoYouHas (in the middle of Day 1 ish) stated that he was going to take a look at the people in the "middle" (because he felt that the most active/vocal people were town). Fair enough. He looked at Fidei86, Half the Sky, LightningStrike, and disformation, and didn't get anything out of it. I'm not sure if this means he didn't get any scumreads out of this or if he didn't get any reads at all from this, if I can catch DoYouHas sometime I'd like to ask this. From this, two things happened. First, he came up with a townread on disformation (because he was sheeping the wagon of his townreads, and mentioned disformation). Second, he got a scumread and case on Half the Sky Night 1, despite not getting much scummy (presumably) from her filter earlier. Hm, I guess this makes sense. Maybe I need to look more closely but let's assume there's no shenanigans tomorrow and HTS flips red. What does that make you think of DYH? I'm fairly suspicious of DoYouHas. I'm not really sure what implications a Half the Sky scum flip would have on DoYouHas. Do you have any thoughts about NocturneMage or anyone else that you want to talk about? DYH brought up HTS as possibler scum before NM and NM referenced DYH in his post calling HTS scummy. I think NM's entrance set a bit of a scummy tone initially but his recent postings have been pointed and he seems to be following a logical thought progression. He's obviously very confident in his HTS read which is why I'm sheeped all over that. I think NM is towny though I'm pretty allergic to deep reading right now. also he has 5 pages after replacing in night 1, is NM known to be a high effort scum?
On December 06 2015 09:10 Fecalfeast wrote:What posts are taking the easy way out btw shining? I'm aware that I told LS that I'd do stuff and then did not but when did I deliver easy low effort content relative to what "lazy uncaring town FF" would do? Show nested quote +On December 06 2015 09:02 The Shining wrote:
I don't want screenshots. Give me a reaction instead? There's 1 or 2 scum bussing HtS. Do you have any thoughts? Anyone who You think voted HtS too easily? Thoughts on disfo? re: scum busing hts yep, scum bused hts. NM had her number and she would know that from the get go, especially with her being sick. Which leads into disform, the WIFOM here is strong but I don't think scum would put themselves out there like a sore thumb like that. re: people voting hts too easily everyone? DYH at least had a case but most people referenced NM when they voted from what I remember
3 - questions people that talks about DYH, asking them to flesh out their reads / expand. This is a classic mafia partner tell; FF does not push DYH, but is acting like he might be suspicious of him so they're not too obviously linked.
On December 05 2015 10:06 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 10:51 disformation wrote:Too make my argument a bit more readable: - scum is hiding in the middleground
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 08:30 DoYouHas wrote:I don't like a lot about Trfel right now. I don't like that he made a mountain out of a molehill with Damdred and did a snap OMGUS. I don't like how he is sliding between sheeping Palmar and Rels. I don't like how he is complaining that Damdred won't work with him, which should not matter unless his read did a 180 and he is confident Damdred is town, and I really don't like this: Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 02:24 Trfel wrote:
I realized that DoYouHas' activity fits a mafia motivation fairly strongly, assuming that Damdred is town. And still fits somewhat if Damdred is mafia. A strong scumread on me with no explanation, even when pressed. Maybe he just doesn't have a good explanation at this point. Side note, he complains that Damdred won't work with him but refuses to work with Damdred when he gets pressed on his reasoning for attacking me. The conciliatory nature of some of Trfels posts gave me pause since he was so bullheaded with his scumgame last time but I would definitely put him top of my list at the moment. I get the town feels from a lot of the movers and shakers this game which makes me think that scum are hiding in the middle ground, so that is where I'm going to look next. P.S. I wasn't trying excuse a lack of posting. I was pointing out that there are large stretches of time where I cannot post. People seemed to be jumping on the wagon simply because I was afk.
- Was reading the middleground ppl (Fid,HtS,LS,disfo), but haven't got anything out of it
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.
Gnight folks
@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels.
- "Got no scumreads" (really?) "so i am sheeping town" "btw disfo totally town now"
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 07:36 DoYouHas wrote:
Welp, if you don't have good scumreads, sheep the wagon of your townreads.
##Vote: LS On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote:
What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is.
Wat? I have pointed this problem out, Rels has pointed this out, but nothing happens. can you flesh out why you think this progression is scummy any further? I'm looking at this filter and while it's a little short on portion size it's looking pretty well explained. Not to mention the fact that if HTS flips red here the fact remains that he brought her up as a potential target before NM + Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 11:08 NocturneMage wrote:
hts is a sleazeball as mafia, I love her to death, but I'll pretty much know immediately if she's mafia because I obviously know her in real life and if she's out of bounds with her personality, she is almost certainly mafia. obviously if I think she's mafia, I will case her in a way that doesn't require you to know her in real life. unless her dota friends want to argue they have some feels on her from external behaviour. rels, fidei? I'm looking at you two.
although seeing doyouhas' post, if hts got someone lynched who was scumreading her, that is a major red flag in my book. that is routine mafia play for her. dani as mafia will absolutely push the lynches of the people who want her dead. so dyh, what was her role in the lynch?
On December 05 2015 10:55 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2015 10:29 Trfel wrote:On December 05 2015 10:06 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 04 2015 10:51 disformation wrote:Too make my argument a bit more readable: - scum is hiding in the middleground
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 08:30 DoYouHas wrote:I don't like a lot about Trfel right now. I don't like that he made a mountain out of a molehill with Damdred and did a snap OMGUS. I don't like how he is sliding between sheeping Palmar and Rels. I don't like how he is complaining that Damdred won't work with him, which should not matter unless his read did a 180 and he is confident Damdred is town, and I really don't like this: Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 02:24 Trfel wrote:
I realized that DoYouHas' activity fits a mafia motivation fairly strongly, assuming that Damdred is town. And still fits somewhat if Damdred is mafia. A strong scumread on me with no explanation, even when pressed. Maybe he just doesn't have a good explanation at this point. Side note, he complains that Damdred won't work with him but refuses to work with Damdred when he gets pressed on his reasoning for attacking me. The conciliatory nature of some of Trfels posts gave me pause since he was so bullheaded with his scumgame last time but I would definitely put him top of my list at the moment. I get the town feels from a lot of the movers and shakers this game which makes me think that scum are hiding in the middle ground, so that is where I'm going to look next. P.S. I wasn't trying excuse a lack of posting. I was pointing out that there are large stretches of time where I cannot post. People seemed to be jumping on the wagon simply because I was afk.
- Was reading the middleground ppl (Fid,HtS,LS,disfo), but haven't got anything out of it
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.
Gnight folks
@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels.
- "Got no scumreads" (really?) "so i am sheeping town" "btw disfo totally town now"
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 07:36 DoYouHas wrote:
Welp, if you don't have good scumreads, sheep the wagon of your townreads.
##Vote: LS On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote:
What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is.
Wat? I have pointed this problem out, Rels has pointed this out, but nothing happens. can you flesh out why you think this progression is scummy any further? I'm looking at this filter and while it's a little short on portion size it's looking pretty well explained. Not to mention the fact that if HTS flips red here the fact remains that he brought her up as a potential target before NM + Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 11:08 NocturneMage wrote:
hts is a sleazeball as mafia, I love her to death, but I'll pretty much know immediately if she's mafia because I obviously know her in real life and if she's out of bounds with her personality, she is almost certainly mafia. obviously if I think she's mafia, I will case her in a way that doesn't require you to know her in real life. unless her dota friends want to argue they have some feels on her from external behaviour. rels, fidei? I'm looking at you two.
although seeing doyouhas' post, if hts got someone lynched who was scumreading her, that is a major red flag in my book. that is routine mafia play for her. dani as mafia will absolutely push the lynches of the people who want her dead. so dyh, what was her role in the lynch? I'm clearly not playing this game right because I actually really, really like what disformation says here. But I didn't care that much when he first said it Basically, DoYouHas (in the middle of Day 1 ish) stated that he was going to take a look at the people in the "middle" (because he felt that the most active/vocal people were town). Fair enough. He looked at Fidei86, Half the Sky, LightningStrike, and disformation, and didn't get anything out of it. I'm not sure if this means he didn't get any scumreads out of this or if he didn't get any reads at all from this, if I can catch DoYouHas sometime I'd like to ask this. From this, two things happened. First, he came up with a townread on disformation (because he was sheeping the wagon of his townreads, and mentioned disformation). Second, he got a scumread and case on Half the Sky Night 1, despite not getting much scummy (presumably) from her filter earlier. Hm, I guess this makes sense. Maybe I need to look more closely but let's assume there's no shenanigans tomorrow and HTS flips red. What does that make you think of DYH?
On December 05 2015 11:07 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2015 11:02 LightningStrike wrote:On December 05 2015 10:24 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 05 2015 10:18 LightningStrike wrote:On December 05 2015 10:15 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 05 2015 10:15 LightningStrike wrote:On December 05 2015 10:13 Fecalfeast wrote:
yo LS you were sad that I brushed you off before what've you got for me Ya I was wanting to know if you gotten anything from filter diving that the people you said you were going to? didn't do it, who again? I forgot you said you had 150 posts you catch up on I mean that. Did you get anything from those 150 posts that you were catching up on? i only really commented on the palmar/fidei interaction but I think the lack of HTS + the lack of any real resistance to the HTS lynch means this is probably a full-steam-ahead bus situation. I think that trfel has been acting strange but outside of what I've already said I've not read much further into him. I think you're a little to focused on yourself, LS and would like to see sme reads from you. On December 05 2015 00:04 LightningStrike wrote:BTW James I did say some of my treads throughout my filter but here is a list if you really need one -_- Town: Palmar: Meta says town for him here with his push on Shining look exactly like he did to me in Metal Mini FF: Lazy FF is normally town FF from what I remember but I want him to do more work Rels: He actually put out some cases mainly his case on FYH seems to stick out to me a little and when he was scum I don't remember him casing multiple people O_o Shining: His responses and his questioning seem like Town Shining this game. Tfrel: He did try to case people yes but he done it as scum but he seem much more serious tone here but I should prob check the scum game that some of you guys said this similar to his play there. NM: He went super tryhard right out of the gates but my only issue with him like Rels said is that he not as analyical as I remember him being. Null: HTS: Some of her content seems questionable but she not feeling exactly well either but I willing to give her another day for now to have her feel better and post again. James: It might be a long time but I don't think I ever seen james get so tunneled on me ever O_o But his content is okay. Scum: DYH His read progression is very weird like it doesn't feel natural. Plus some of stuff seems like it adds little value. If I missing anyone let me know. Plus disformation being town he contributed a good amount and brought up stuff that people had overlooked or no one was willing to. could you expand upon your DYH read since we're talking about him right now?
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Regardless of any other factor, I think Trfel NM LS Shining and fidei are very likely town per FF's filter.
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FF on disfo: better than DYH for sure. Worse than the others.
1 - FF has no read on him at all between these two posts. Both posts it's a townlean that could easily be reversed, so scum points for disfo.
On December 03 2015 09:16 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 16:42 Trfel wrote:On December 01 2015 08:49 disformation wrote:On December 01 2015 08:44 Trfel wrote:
Hm, LightningStrike hasn't posted at all yet. Very suspicious, I would have expected him to be really excited for this game since he hasn't played in a while.
Disformation, why are you only bringing up Damdred's post now, and not right when he posted it? Tired as hell. When I first read it I was like kinda amused by the hero thing, triggering my immediate reaction (the first post). Then I read it again and thought that it was a kinda unusual thing for Damdred to post and remembered that I was criticized for a very similar thing (over constructed first post shortly after the start of the game) in my first game here. So I asked him the same question I was asked. The advise itself is probably valid though. Wait a second, disformation... You've only rolled town on TL, correct? So if you were town and someone questioned you for a "constructed" post, then why would you ask someone else about this? What did you hope to get out of your question? Based on Damdred's answers, do you have a conclusion now? Not a bad point on disform at face value but if disform wasn't sure of his play before and has since learned that constructed posts are scummy, what's the problem calling out something he has learned to be generally scummy?
On December 09 2015 07:49 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2015 07:44 disformation wrote:On December 09 2015 07:43 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 09 2015 07:41 Trfel wrote:On December 09 2015 07:37 Fecalfeast wrote:
Shenanigans onto fecalfeast then? I couldn't care less about this game right now. I thought you prided yourself in being an unexpectedly hard mislynch? As I recall from last game, "it's encouraging that this is all the scummer has to push on". I just spent 2 full days playing fallout and tinkering with my PC. I just caught up on the entire day phase now. If I die I don't have to read and mafia is never going t shoot me got any reads from catching up? At first I got thevibe you were coasiting along but then your case dropped and I forgave you
2 - He interacted more with disfo than I thought. Nothing strong, but I think the third quote might be indicative of disfo being town, as he has no problems talking to him.
On December 04 2015 10:33 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 10:24 disformation wrote:On December 04 2015 10:15 Fecalfeast wrote:
I replaced into one of these high effort games eh? I don't think I can compete with Trfel. This HtS thing is super confusing to me right now, so I was trying to find something in the EoD1. Like Trfel is sending mixed signal, NocturneMage replaced into a super shady looking slot with some shady looking entry posts and the guy I have a scum read on (DYH) hesitates not a second to vote with NM... though after rereading DYH's case on HtS it isn't bad... which brings me to the next point: If I ignore HtS's sickness, she doesn't good either. Can't even hope that Damdred comes in, drops three one liners, and drops some of his logic... Btw, do you have a read on DYH? not yet no
On December 05 2015 08:28 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2015 08:17 disformation wrote:On December 05 2015 08:12 Fecalfeast wrote:
Ok am at work what's up boys I see hts still hasn't popped up? Guess she gave up?
Hmmm... I think her last post was at start of N1 when kush flipped? So possible. Currently looking at Fidei86's filter. Any questions for me while I am around? Have you looked at DYH, yet? Right, no, on it chief.
On December 05 2015 10:06 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 10:51 disformation wrote:Too make my argument a bit more readable: - scum is hiding in the middleground
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 08:30 DoYouHas wrote:I don't like a lot about Trfel right now. I don't like that he made a mountain out of a molehill with Damdred and did a snap OMGUS. I don't like how he is sliding between sheeping Palmar and Rels. I don't like how he is complaining that Damdred won't work with him, which should not matter unless his read did a 180 and he is confident Damdred is town, and I really don't like this: Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 02:24 Trfel wrote:
I realized that DoYouHas' activity fits a mafia motivation fairly strongly, assuming that Damdred is town. And still fits somewhat if Damdred is mafia. A strong scumread on me with no explanation, even when pressed. Maybe he just doesn't have a good explanation at this point. Side note, he complains that Damdred won't work with him but refuses to work with Damdred when he gets pressed on his reasoning for attacking me. The conciliatory nature of some of Trfels posts gave me pause since he was so bullheaded with his scumgame last time but I would definitely put him top of my list at the moment. I get the town feels from a lot of the movers and shakers this game which makes me think that scum are hiding in the middle ground, so that is where I'm going to look next. P.S. I wasn't trying excuse a lack of posting. I was pointing out that there are large stretches of time where I cannot post. People seemed to be jumping on the wagon simply because I was afk.
- Was reading the middleground ppl (Fid,HtS,LS,disfo), but haven't got anything out of it
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.
Gnight folks
@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels.
- "Got no scumreads" (really?) "so i am sheeping town" "btw disfo totally town now"
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 07:36 DoYouHas wrote:
Welp, if you don't have good scumreads, sheep the wagon of your townreads.
##Vote: LS On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote:
What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is.
Wat? I have pointed this problem out, Rels has pointed this out, but nothing happens. can you flesh out why you think this progression is scummy any further? I'm looking at this filter and while it's a little short on portion size it's looking pretty well explained. Not to mention the fact that if HTS flips red here the fact remains that he brought her up as a potential target before NM + Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 11:08 NocturneMage wrote:
hts is a sleazeball as mafia, I love her to death, but I'll pretty much know immediately if she's mafia because I obviously know her in real life and if she's out of bounds with her personality, she is almost certainly mafia. obviously if I think she's mafia, I will case her in a way that doesn't require you to know her in real life. unless her dota friends want to argue they have some feels on her from external behaviour. rels, fidei? I'm looking at you two.
although seeing doyouhas' post, if hts got someone lynched who was scumreading her, that is a major red flag in my book. that is routine mafia play for her. dani as mafia will absolutely push the lynches of the people who want her dead. so dyh, what was her role in the lynch?
On December 05 2015 10:17 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2015 10:14 disformation wrote:I guess disformation is probably town, but he could be mafia. However, I'm assuming that he is town. okay? Can I be a planar dragon, too? I've always wanted to be a planar dragon! Well, that post will take a while to properly read and write an answer to. Will take a shower, get myself something to drink and try to write something up before I fall asleep (it is already 2 am here). olol wait we have basically the exact same description and yet the post is addressed to you and not me
On December 09 2015 07:49 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2015 07:44 disformation wrote:On December 09 2015 07:43 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 09 2015 07:41 Trfel wrote:On December 09 2015 07:37 Fecalfeast wrote:
Shenanigans onto fecalfeast then? I couldn't care less about this game right now. I thought you prided yourself in being an unexpectedly hard mislynch? As I recall from last game, "it's encouraging that this is all the scummer has to push on". I just spent 2 full days playing fallout and tinkering with my PC. I just caught up on the entire day phase now. If I die I don't have to read and mafia is never going t shoot me got any reads from catching up? At first I got thevibe you were coasiting along but then your case dropped and I forgave you LS is honestly probably not scum but I think I have missed a few games with LS lately maybe he's changed? As scum he usually just shuts down from what I remember. Rels seems to be slowly dropping off but I can't really say my words hold much weight in that department NM is ignoring anyone who mentions me which is weird as I'm fairly aware of how scum likes to treat me when I'm town Trfel has the same icon as rels now and I've been mixing their posts up and am thinkning I need to reread lol but I have no time
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On December 09 2015 20:15 NocturneMage wrote:
I see the points Rels you make on FF/DYH....
But
(1) did you look at the interactions in reverse
No. But I don't sure DYH mentions FF once in his filter. I think I remember him being in a "unfiltered" section of one post once; maybe I'm thinking of someone else though.
On December 09 2015 20:15 NocturneMage wrote:
(2) how are you so sure as to DYH/HTS on the same team like Shining has given the appropriate interactions to make all three of his suggested fit on the scum team. Or are you still on the theory that his case emerged too close to the time of my replacement?
Yep.
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CTRL+F Onegu / FecalFeast / FF on DYH's filter, you have these:
On December 07 2015 09:20 DoYouHas wrote:So this analysis is very similar to votecount, but it is based off of lists that a scum player makes. Every scum player I have ever played with will include at least 1 scum-mate on lists that they make. Here is HtS's first list: + Show Spoiler +On December 01 2015 09:31 Half the Sky wrote:Hey everyone. A few thoughts on my end before I head to bed - Nulls on Rels/Damdred regarding setup discussion/speculation as I feel those are types of posts that can be made as either alignment (and such Rels' scumreads on Do and Damdred could also fall under the same category) by players who know general gameplay well enough. Trfel's comments on LS I have a mixed reaction on. I don't like the following phrasing and here's why: Show nested quote +Second, why would does this make me mafia in any way? Like, why does the fact that LightningStrike posted that he wouldn't be here at the start of the game have any bearing on my alignment? When I read this, I read it as trying to absolve responsibility from self regardless of actual intention (baiting in this case) - it's not what LS posted that is the problem, it's what you (Trfel) did about it. That reaction makes me think whether you are trying to cover something up. Moosy is something I am going to need more time reading given his general playstyle. No read on him so far obviously. disformation hasn't made any reads yets with the Trfel/Damdred interaction going on, and I think that might have been about when he left the thread. Answered Trfel's question, but from recalling the last student game, he did take more stances in that game. So far probable scumleans on Trfel/disformation. Fidei was someone who falls off hard as mafia, first post based on his SOTW 2 performance (mafia) is going to weigh in at NAI. The ONLY thing that jumps out at me from Fidei's post is why he commented on Rels being towny but Damdred not being so even though both talked about the setup, and Damdred seems to make more of a point in trying to get town to coalesence. Moving to Palmar/Shining... 1. Damdred, Rels, Moosy, Trfel, Disfo HtS's second, third, & lynch list: + Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 04:27 Half the Sky wrote:
I need to put my head down again since I'm still feeling pretty sick. Going to go through again Trfel/Damdred/Fidei/disformation etc. on a full re-read. I'm also having issues with town reads.
Right now, I need to flesh out Trfel a little more, same for disformation and LS. The lynch list right now is kush/DYH, Onegu is straight policy, but there's got to be an active mafia somewhere.
Palmar is probably town but this is a gut feel based on how he proceeded with the case. 2. Trfel, Damdred, Fid, Disfo 3. Trfel, Disfo, LS Lynch: DYH, Kush, Onegu(pure policy) HtS's fourth list: + Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 04:48 Half the Sky wrote:I'm here. I am still really sick (and thanks for the well wishes all, I hope I will improve) but I'm going to try my best here to answer all the questions possible. Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 03:13 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 03:06 LightningStrike wrote:On December 03 2015 03:04 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 03:01 LightningStrike wrote:On December 03 2015 02:58 Trfel wrote:On December 02 2015 23:07 Half the Sky wrote:
Alright, I just woke up, and I am not feeling any better. I'm headed to a doctor's appointment in an hour, but I am hoping to get back in thread barring anything serious.
I fully realise I have a shittonne to catch up on - if anyone has any questions for me, or anything specific they want me to weigh on, please prompt me and I'll do so when I return. First of all, really sorry that you aren't feeling well. Hope you can recover soon. Why did you vote for DoYouHas instead of kushm4sta? Why didn't you include LightningStrike in the lynch list? Now that he's (at least mostly, I think?) answered your questions, what do you think about him? Why did your read on me (Trfel) change? read her filter if you want to see her progression on me  + Show Spoiler + And where did you get that conclusion from? On December 02 2015 04:38 Half the Sky wrote:On December 02 2015 04:24 LightningStrike wrote:Okay I here now and Tfrel I did answer HTS just not directly quoted. On December 02 2015 04:15 Half the Sky wrote:
Looking at 346/349 -
LS, I'm not referring to meta. Let's make sure I'm not misunderstanding you here.
I'm not talking about Palmar's tone in general. I'm talking about his case. If you read the context differently, then tell me how you interpreted that.
You are saying that he's town because his tone is serious and from 349 it's based on meta. Okay fine, but regardless of meta, why would Palmar's case NOT be serious? What I'm trying to say here is that you are townreading him for a poor reason. I didn't say it wasn't serious? Anyways the way he argued Shining like I said had a serious tone plus like said he did a very similar thing to me in Metal Mini when I was fighting him and felt frustrated with him. It took me a bit of arguing to get him to townread me in that game because I was still a newbie lol.... So it a little both but more towards personal experience with him. Argh, no. I am saying that you said his tone is serious. In any case, you want to say you are giving a personal read towards him. Alright, I still think this is a bad read because like I said before Palmar really can't be done off one read, but now that I've fleshed it out I don't think you are mafia for this. Still need to read the rest of your filter in conjunction with Trfel/Damdred when I return though. Yeah.... "I don't think you are mafia for this" means that Half the Sky is not scum reading you for one specific thing in your filter. As in, she could be scum reading you for the entire rest of your filter. And that's not a townread on that one thing either. Does anyone know if LightningStrike is generally this self-conscious as town with regards to other people's townreads on him? To make a big jump like this and try to assume everything is a townread? Because this is making me doubt my earlier town lean on him. The above is correct. This also partially helps answer Trfel's question to me - LS was not in my lynch list (and relative to the rest of the thread) because D1, similar to SOTW, if there's something that is not clicking I have to flesh his reads out. He was a scumlean based on the stuff he said, I hashed out to make sure I was understanding LS, and it was back to null pending the interactions with other people in the thread. There was a part where he mentioned Trfel casing Damdred (and I still have to go back and look at that, Christ) which would give some indication as to Trfel/Damdred/LS alignments to some extent. Obviously need to catch up on the rest of his filter. Not lynching him until I read and feel otherwise. Trfel, I mentioned a post where I scumleaned you initially for the comment you made on LS. I made an explanation as to why, it was something along the lines of tone and not wanting to take responsibility. There was something else that you mentioned, you answered it, but if you answered that first concern, show me the post where you did. There's a very good chance I missed it. Again, I failed to analyse you v Damdred. DYH over kush - It was part read on Trfel and part lack of followup on Trfel at that time when he commented on Shining/Palmar, which I felt could have come from either alignment. Also I wanted to press him for more reads, and I recall I did that somewhere. Obviously need to check his filter again and see what he's done since. I know I did not scumread him on activity especially since it's my first game with him and I don't know offhand if he's a lurky player. In any instance, I put both in a lynch list and I gave my reasons for not liking kush. Also I think it was you Trfel, whoever it was said that scum doesn't know the setup. This is not true. Look at the day one post. There is a list of 4 setups so that is part of where my statement came from. Additional comments/followups from what I saw from skimming the thread: Rels - posting game details has to be done regardless of whatever else games I'm playing. It either needed to be done when signups went up or very soon after. I was queued in, it had to get done. Take that as you will. Disformation - looking at your response to my last question right now, also did you have a question for me? You said a few times you were looking through my filter. Trfel - did you answer my questions regarding distinguishing activity between DYH and kush? (post 391, again if I missed it point it out) If you looked into Rels based on your last response to me, what did you think of him? (same deal if I missed it) Should hopefully be able to move forward after this. Let me see who is up for lynch and weigh in... 4. Trfel, DYH, Kush, Rels, Disfo - Ok. So she is putting Trfel and Disfo in pretty much all of her lists. By my above heuristic this makes one or both of them more likely to be mafia. However, take a look at her interactions with the people on her lists in her filter and see if any of them feel out of place compared to the others. Compared to her interactions with Trfel, Rels, Damdred and her suspicion of me and Kush, her interaction with Disfo is very bland, flat. She starts with vague scumlean but the rest of her interaction reads more like she is inviting him to interact with her for the sake of interacting. - I think the cross between these two methods is a pretty good reason to scumread Disfo. Please look into it yourselves. ##Vote: Disformation
On December 04 2015 09:13 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 09:07 Trfel wrote:On December 04 2015 09:03 NocturneMage wrote:
I also don't like Trfels turning around on this either.
What the hell are we using WIFOM arguments for? Because they're really darn accurate. Night kill analysis is amazing. @Fecalfeast, why else would Damdred be killed? The NocturneMage read seems to be by far the most likely. And that wasn't the only reason that I mentioned that the night kill makes me want to lynch NocturneMage less. It could be as simple as Damdred is a solid town player, and was read as town by the majority of the players. He clearly had influence as evidenced by the LS wagon. That is enough to make him a good kill. His reads are worth more now that we know for sure he was town, and should be considered carefully, but there is plenty to make him a good nightkill beyond his reads. (Sorry, I know you wanted FF to answer)
On December 06 2015 07:04 DoYouHas wrote:
My PoE right now looks like this:
Town: Rels, Shining, LS(I am still on board with the EoD VT claim)
Townlean: Disfo, Palmar, Fid (need to look into him more)
Unfiltered: NM, FF
Suspicious but incomplete: Trfel
Scum: HTS
There is 0 read / interaction between the two.
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I would be OK with a disfo lynch though. The last scum is between these two.
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On December 09 2015 21:44 NocturneMage wrote:On the topic of blues I doubt we have a vig. I don't know what sort of idiot vig would hold their shot until night 3. Even someone as inexperienced as me would try and do something with it
It's like almost confirmed the setup is vet / boxer. The only other way is if there is a cop that checked Damdred or Palmar; in any other case he should have out his check. I don't believe a vig / cop would have held their shots until N3.
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On December 09 2015 22:43 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2015 22:25 Rels wrote:On December 09 2015 21:44 NocturneMage wrote:On the topic of blues I doubt we have a vig. I don't know what sort of idiot vig would hold their shot until night 3. Even someone as inexperienced as me would try and do something with it It's like almost confirmed the setup is vet / boxer. The only other way is if there is a cop that checked Damdred or Palmar; in any other case he should have out his check. I don't believe a vig / cop would have held their shots until N3. I have had one game as cop. I was told by my coach to only claim in 3 situations (1) if I was getting lynched (2) in mylo/lylo with all checks (3) if I got a redcheck and even in that situation, to evaluate for a possible miller or whether you can push that player's lynch without outing the check. But surely I imagine everyone has different opinions, I guess claiming early does narrow the lynch pool but it seems intriguing to wait it out and then claim in lylo, possibly throwing a wrench in mafia's plans if you are set up for possible mislynch. IDK.
Given the chaotic situation yesterday, a cop outing his check would have been the right play IMO, since the check is guaranted to be accurate; 2 confirmed townies would have been good.
I don't agree with outing only at LYLO. If you do this, you let the mafia chose if they want to counterclaim or not, with no way to mechanically confirm the claims. The best time to claim if the game is going well is LYLO-1 IMO.
The situation is kinda different in this game though, since the cop is 1-shot; the main benefit of not-claiming (staying alive) doesn't exist. The only upside of not claiming is taking the mafia by surprise; and since they know there is a cop if there is no GF and no vig kills, it's not really taking them by surprise. The downside of not claiming a check that is not on a dead person is losing the check, and it would be a big lost.
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On December 10 2015 00:26 disformation wrote:I think the part with onegus filter should have said, open AT own risk and I am not accountable FOR any injuries. english hard language. I'll probably be semi around today, trying to get a bit of stuff done home office style, this game has eaten a fair share of my time and I am a bit behind on a few things. If you have further questions just shoot, cause mafia won't. 
Can you read FF's filter and:
- see if it matches with your read on DYH ?
- who is the most likely partner based on his filter (or 2nd most likely if your 1st is DYH) ?
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On December 10 2015 00:31 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2015 00:28 Rels wrote:On December 10 2015 00:26 disformation wrote:I think the part with onegus filter should have said, open AT own risk and I am not accountable FOR any injuries. english hard language. I'll probably be semi around today, trying to get a bit of stuff done home office style, this game has eaten a fair share of my time and I am a bit behind on a few things. If you have further questions just shoot, cause mafia won't. Can you read FF's filter and: - see if it matches with your read on DYH ?- who is the most likely partner based on his filter (or 2nd most likely if your 1st is DYH) ? Hmm... not sure what you mean with the bold part. Like, see if my points on FF might match my points on DYH?
OK like that it might be better:
Reading FF's filter, who is his most likely partner and why ?
Is DYH a likely partner ?
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On December 07 2015 08:38 NocturneMage wrote:
(reading a few filters but may be interrupted here....)
LOL that made me laugh. Good memories (=
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On December 10 2015 01:37 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2015 08:38 NocturneMage wrote:
(reading a few filters but may be interrupted here....) LOL that made me laugh. Good memories (=
This joy feeling a slowly being replaced by a cold sensation.
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On December 10 2015 01:44 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2015 01:37 Rels wrote:On December 07 2015 08:38 NocturneMage wrote:
(reading a few filters but may be interrupted here....) LOL that made me laugh. Good memories (= This joy feeling a slowly being replaced by a cold sensation.
Gone now. I like NM's filter.
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Palmar's last reads on disfo / DYH:
On December 04 2015 22:03 Palmar wrote:
Leaning town:
disformation (mostly a leftover tone read from day 1. I've yet to read a post of his that feels forced or awkward).
People who I have ignored/Have little opinion on:
DoYouHas (his filter on day 1 was bad, but I sort of started ignoring him after misreading one of his posts. I should probably have looked into him anyway)
On December 05 2015 22:11 Palmar wrote:
I don't know if I'm going to do much more today, it's weekend.
Based on reading HtS and NM yesterday, I'm going to leave my vote on her. I think it's the right call.
I won't be here at the deadline (or well... I won't be here from many hours before the deadline until tomorrow), so meh. I'll check my phone and such. If anyone wants my attention for something special just shout, I'll hopefully notice. I still think this is a reasonably good lynch. NM seems kinda towny and he's very sure about HtS, and her entire tone is very very bland as I talked about.
I am again more suspicious of fidei and trfel than I was previously, with NM moving into the probably town column. I actually read something FF wrote that made me think he's town too, but since I can't even remember what it was, it can't have been super significant. Still for now this is good enough. I have yet to read FF, DYH and I think some other people, but I'll have to do that during the night or tomorrow.
Good luck guys.
If DYH is scum, Palmar was a good kill.
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On December 09 2015 07:54 Trfel wrote:
I think I've learned something very interesting about my town play. Unfortunately, it's not the thing that I wanted to learn...
Or maybe I'm just completely wrong about it. Oh well.
Lynch Fecalfeast.
What was that ?
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On December 10 2015 09:41 The Shining wrote:
GG Trfel. I can't tell if scum didn't shoot me because I'm wrong on disfo and they want him mislynched, or because shooting me would've implicated disfo too much. Or Trfel confirmed himself town with the Fecal lynch and scum needed him gone for that.
Iirc Trfel was still entertaining the thought of NM scum...But he also hinted at being willing to vote disfo, as per that spoiler on one of his posts saying I probably saved him some reading. It could be a way to weaken the disfo wagon while leaving me alive to drown in wifom.
I'm phone posting so I'll do some rereads and make a decision when I get home. I'm iffy on disfos reaction to my case, too, it doesn't make me see him any better.
Hmmm.
Yep kill points at disfo / NM. But Palmar's kill pointed at Trfel / fidei, so I don't think it's the best way to decide.
DYH is probably the last scum.
##Vote DoYouHas
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