CTRL+F Onegu / FecalFeast / FF on DYH's filter, you have these:
On December 07 2015 09:20 DoYouHas wrote:So this analysis is very similar to votecount, but it is based off of lists that a scum player makes. Every scum player I have ever played with will include at least 1 scum-mate on lists that they make. Here is HtS's first list: + Show Spoiler +On December 01 2015 09:31 Half the Sky wrote:Hey everyone. A few thoughts on my end before I head to bed - Nulls on Rels/Damdred regarding setup discussion/speculation as I feel those are types of posts that can be made as either alignment (and such Rels' scumreads on Do and Damdred could also fall under the same category) by players who know general gameplay well enough. Trfel's comments on LS I have a mixed reaction on. I don't like the following phrasing and here's why: Show nested quote +Second, why would does this make me mafia in any way? Like, why does the fact that LightningStrike posted that he wouldn't be here at the start of the game have any bearing on my alignment? When I read this, I read it as trying to absolve responsibility from self regardless of actual intention (baiting in this case) - it's not what LS posted that is the problem, it's what you (Trfel) did about it. That reaction makes me think whether you are trying to cover something up. Moosy is something I am going to need more time reading given his general playstyle. No read on him so far obviously. disformation hasn't made any reads yets with the Trfel/Damdred interaction going on, and I think that might have been about when he left the thread. Answered Trfel's question, but from recalling the last student game, he did take more stances in that game. So far probable scumleans on Trfel/disformation. Fidei was someone who falls off hard as mafia, first post based on his SOTW 2 performance (mafia) is going to weigh in at NAI. The ONLY thing that jumps out at me from Fidei's post is why he commented on Rels being towny but Damdred not being so even though both talked about the setup, and Damdred seems to make more of a point in trying to get town to coalesence. Moving to Palmar/Shining... 1. Damdred, Rels, Moosy, Trfel, Disfo HtS's second, third, & lynch list: + Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 04:27 Half the Sky wrote:
I need to put my head down again since I'm still feeling pretty sick. Going to go through again Trfel/Damdred/Fidei/disformation etc. on a full re-read. I'm also having issues with town reads.
Right now, I need to flesh out Trfel a little more, same for disformation and LS. The lynch list right now is kush/DYH, Onegu is straight policy, but there's got to be an active mafia somewhere.
Palmar is probably town but this is a gut feel based on how he proceeded with the case. 2. Trfel, Damdred, Fid, Disfo 3. Trfel, Disfo, LS Lynch: DYH, Kush, Onegu(pure policy) HtS's fourth list: + Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 04:48 Half the Sky wrote:I'm here. I am still really sick (and thanks for the well wishes all, I hope I will improve) but I'm going to try my best here to answer all the questions possible. Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 03:13 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 03:06 LightningStrike wrote:On December 03 2015 03:04 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 03:01 LightningStrike wrote:On December 03 2015 02:58 Trfel wrote:On December 02 2015 23:07 Half the Sky wrote:
Alright, I just woke up, and I am not feeling any better. I'm headed to a doctor's appointment in an hour, but I am hoping to get back in thread barring anything serious.
I fully realise I have a shittonne to catch up on - if anyone has any questions for me, or anything specific they want me to weigh on, please prompt me and I'll do so when I return. First of all, really sorry that you aren't feeling well. Hope you can recover soon. Why did you vote for DoYouHas instead of kushm4sta? Why didn't you include LightningStrike in the lynch list? Now that he's (at least mostly, I think?) answered your questions, what do you think about him? Why did your read on me (Trfel) change? read her filter if you want to see her progression on me  + Show Spoiler + And where did you get that conclusion from? On December 02 2015 04:38 Half the Sky wrote:On December 02 2015 04:24 LightningStrike wrote:Okay I here now and Tfrel I did answer HTS just not directly quoted. On December 02 2015 04:15 Half the Sky wrote:
Looking at 346/349 -
LS, I'm not referring to meta. Let's make sure I'm not misunderstanding you here.
I'm not talking about Palmar's tone in general. I'm talking about his case. If you read the context differently, then tell me how you interpreted that.
You are saying that he's town because his tone is serious and from 349 it's based on meta. Okay fine, but regardless of meta, why would Palmar's case NOT be serious? What I'm trying to say here is that you are townreading him for a poor reason. I didn't say it wasn't serious? Anyways the way he argued Shining like I said had a serious tone plus like said he did a very similar thing to me in Metal Mini when I was fighting him and felt frustrated with him. It took me a bit of arguing to get him to townread me in that game because I was still a newbie lol.... So it a little both but more towards personal experience with him. Argh, no. I am saying that you said his tone is serious. In any case, you want to say you are giving a personal read towards him. Alright, I still think this is a bad read because like I said before Palmar really can't be done off one read, but now that I've fleshed it out I don't think you are mafia for this. Still need to read the rest of your filter in conjunction with Trfel/Damdred when I return though. Yeah.... "I don't think you are mafia for this" means that Half the Sky is not scum reading you for one specific thing in your filter. As in, she could be scum reading you for the entire rest of your filter. And that's not a townread on that one thing either. Does anyone know if LightningStrike is generally this self-conscious as town with regards to other people's townreads on him? To make a big jump like this and try to assume everything is a townread? Because this is making me doubt my earlier town lean on him. The above is correct. This also partially helps answer Trfel's question to me - LS was not in my lynch list (and relative to the rest of the thread) because D1, similar to SOTW, if there's something that is not clicking I have to flesh his reads out. He was a scumlean based on the stuff he said, I hashed out to make sure I was understanding LS, and it was back to null pending the interactions with other people in the thread. There was a part where he mentioned Trfel casing Damdred (and I still have to go back and look at that, Christ) which would give some indication as to Trfel/Damdred/LS alignments to some extent. Obviously need to catch up on the rest of his filter. Not lynching him until I read and feel otherwise. Trfel, I mentioned a post where I scumleaned you initially for the comment you made on LS. I made an explanation as to why, it was something along the lines of tone and not wanting to take responsibility. There was something else that you mentioned, you answered it, but if you answered that first concern, show me the post where you did. There's a very good chance I missed it. Again, I failed to analyse you v Damdred. DYH over kush - It was part read on Trfel and part lack of followup on Trfel at that time when he commented on Shining/Palmar, which I felt could have come from either alignment. Also I wanted to press him for more reads, and I recall I did that somewhere. Obviously need to check his filter again and see what he's done since. I know I did not scumread him on activity especially since it's my first game with him and I don't know offhand if he's a lurky player. In any instance, I put both in a lynch list and I gave my reasons for not liking kush. Also I think it was you Trfel, whoever it was said that scum doesn't know the setup. This is not true. Look at the day one post. There is a list of 4 setups so that is part of where my statement came from. Additional comments/followups from what I saw from skimming the thread: Rels - posting game details has to be done regardless of whatever else games I'm playing. It either needed to be done when signups went up or very soon after. I was queued in, it had to get done. Take that as you will. Disformation - looking at your response to my last question right now, also did you have a question for me? You said a few times you were looking through my filter. Trfel - did you answer my questions regarding distinguishing activity between DYH and kush? (post 391, again if I missed it point it out) If you looked into Rels based on your last response to me, what did you think of him? (same deal if I missed it) Should hopefully be able to move forward after this. Let me see who is up for lynch and weigh in... 4. Trfel, DYH, Kush, Rels, Disfo - Ok. So she is putting Trfel and Disfo in pretty much all of her lists. By my above heuristic this makes one or both of them more likely to be mafia. However, take a look at her interactions with the people on her lists in her filter and see if any of them feel out of place compared to the others. Compared to her interactions with Trfel, Rels, Damdred and her suspicion of me and Kush, her interaction with Disfo is very bland, flat. She starts with vague scumlean but the rest of her interaction reads more like she is inviting him to interact with her for the sake of interacting. - I think the cross between these two methods is a pretty good reason to scumread Disfo. Please look into it yourselves. ##Vote: Disformation
On December 04 2015 09:13 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 09:07 Trfel wrote:On December 04 2015 09:03 NocturneMage wrote:
I also don't like Trfels turning around on this either.
What the hell are we using WIFOM arguments for? Because they're really darn accurate. Night kill analysis is amazing. @Fecalfeast, why else would Damdred be killed? The NocturneMage read seems to be by far the most likely. And that wasn't the only reason that I mentioned that the night kill makes me want to lynch NocturneMage less. It could be as simple as Damdred is a solid town player, and was read as town by the majority of the players. He clearly had influence as evidenced by the LS wagon. That is enough to make him a good kill. His reads are worth more now that we know for sure he was town, and should be considered carefully, but there is plenty to make him a good nightkill beyond his reads. (Sorry, I know you wanted FF to answer)
On December 06 2015 07:04 DoYouHas wrote:
My PoE right now looks like this:
Town: Rels, Shining, LS(I am still on board with the EoD VT claim)
Townlean: Disfo, Palmar, Fid (need to look into him more)
Unfiltered: NM, FF
Suspicious but incomplete: Trfel
Scum: HTS
There is 0 read / interaction between the two.
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On December 09 2015 08:51 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2015 08:40 disformation wrote:On December 09 2015 08:33 The Shining wrote:On December 09 2015 08:25 disformation wrote:TLDR of The Shinings scum read on me: Less waffly? Scum read. Actually pushes people? Scum read. Semi decent case? Scum read. Hammers Scum? Scum read. Super fun.  Is it horrible of me to say this is somewhat accurate? You haven't rolled scum in past games and didn't do any of these in those games. It seriously hinders my ability to tr you. Noted. Instead of getting better at the game I shall remain stagnant. Doesn't seem to matter much whether I get scum read for being waffly or not being waffly. -.- Well on the off chance that you are town, I don't want to tilt you. But I will say guilting me like this for my read is a mafia trait, especially when I've lynched 2/3 scum. But we can get back to this next day phase if I live through the night. Objectively, though, since it's been brought up that disfo hammering ff doesn't make sense thru votes. But look at votes every phase. Disfo imo looked really bad for being the outlier on hts. He needed the cred for this lynch just to offset that. But I'll stop tunneling. See y'all later
Nah, don't worry. So far I have managed to avoid posting stuff when on tilt. 
On December 09 2015 14:37 The Shining wrote:So I said I wouldn't tunnel. I lied. Disformation is SCUM. I'll probably get around to another filter or 2 soon but here is Disformation's filter RE: fecalfeast/onegu, with some HtS spinkled in. Keep in mind this guy has an 11 page filter. + Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 07:28 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 07:17 Rels wrote:On December 02 2015 06:11 disformation wrote:Ah nearly forgot to mention: The Shining was asking DYI about: On December 01 2015 09:49 The Shining wrote:On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote:
I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now.
TLDR: you crazy trfel What was the one point in Damded's first point you didn't agree with? Do you have any other reads outside of Damdred? So I am looking forward to finding out whether DYH answered that. On December 01 2015 11:36 DoYouHas wrote:On December 01 2015 09:49 The Shining wrote:On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote:
I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now.
TLDR: you crazy trfel What was the one point in Damded's first point you didn't agree with? Do you have any other reads outside of Damdred? In his second point he encouraged us to all make as many reads as we can. A swarm of reads, particularly ones that aren't strong just scatter the focus of the thread and make rereads a quagmire. I dislike lots of lists. There are a few times when giving a more complete picture of how you view the game is useful, like right before the end of the night. On the Shining/Palmar interaction so far. Palmar seems town to me with the productive way he is pressuring. I also like his reasoning as he is going after Shining. That being said, everything after this post + Show Spoiler +On December 01 2015 09:44 The Shining wrote:
Welp since I'm a moron so early in the game, I see no reason to talk to Palmar now or ever again this game. If you're town, consider the fact that you just pissed off a townie to the point where I'm going to think everything you're doing in this game is wrong. So you can have fun pushing the d1 mislynch in me or leave me around and bumping heads with me the rest of the game. Talking to you isn't going to get either of us anywhere and I'm done with it. Get me lynched if you want, I just think you're retarded and stubborn town at this point and I still think Fidei's post is a lot less fine than you make it out to be so there's no reason for me to try and convince you otherwise.
Strikes me as VERY townie. Fast, frustrated, and spiteful. The way he kept coming back for more after saying he was out feels like genuine emotional reaction to being pushed wrongly. Palmar basically pressured something that was a little out of place and then ran with it when Shining reacted poorly and went for OMGUS. For me that isn't enough for a lynch with my feel for Shining's play stated above. You ninja you. Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 19:12 Rels wrote:
Useful List of Useless People
Onegu
kushmasta
DoYouHas
Do stuff or be lynched. Can we add MoosyDoosy to this list? Also while we are mentioning Onegu: I shadowed him once, when he was town and I vaguely remember some talk in that game about him claiming/not claiming VT. He simply does this as both alignments right? The above spoiler is the first mention of Onegu in his filter, page 3. No read on him, just a question about him doing the VT claim as both alignments. Admittedly there was nothing much to read him on but there it is. Here is another mention page 4 of his filter. Something interesting I noticed, Onegu's name came up in the post even though he wasn't spoken about. But another thing I wanted to point out. + Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 04:52 disformation wrote:@HtS: Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 09:21 disformation wrote:On December 02 2015 04:27 Half the Sky wrote:
Regarding Rels, I recall him being nitpicky from his town games but nothing about the nitpicking jumps out as scumlike. Trfel why do you think he's being opportunistic with DYH? (It was based off a read progression and not activity.)
I am not sure I understand the part on Rels. Him being nitpicky is town but his nitpicking (I assume in this game) doesn't seem scumlike? More things I want to look at: HtS case on LS. Rels. Not sure if I will get that done before going to bed though. Also: Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 04:27 Half the Sky wrote:
I need to put my head down again since I'm still feeling pretty sick. Going to go through again Trfel/Damdred/Fidei/disformation etc. on a full re-read. I'm also having issues with town reads.
Right now, I need to flesh out Trfel a little more, same for disformation and LS. The lynch list right now is kush/DYH, Onegu is straight policy, but there's got to be an active mafia somewhere.
Palmar is probably town but this is a gut feel based on how he proceeded with the case. Why did you want to re-read me here? That post was after you asked me some questions, but before I answered them. If HtS is his partner here, here's very aware of her re-reading him. I'm not sure what to make of it but her having to flesh out her Disfo could be a distancing on having to read him one way or the other. I'll have to check her filter to see if she ever got around to it. But look at HtS lynch list. This was early enough that I don't think bussing or soft pushing was plausible. Onegu is "straight policy", not a good lynch becuz that was the FF slot, aka her scum partner. But willing to lynch kush/DYH...kush flipped town. I'm thinking DYH would, too. And the way he's asking her why she wants to re-read him here is weird. It's not like he's trying to figure out her alignment, he's just asking her what she's doing. Remember that when she was lynched, he still had her at null and didn't vote her. + Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 04:52 disformation wrote:@HtS: Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 09:21 disformation wrote:On December 02 2015 04:27 Half the Sky wrote:
Regarding Rels, I recall him being nitpicky from his town games but nothing about the nitpicking jumps out as scumlike. Trfel why do you think he's being opportunistic with DYH? (It was based off a read progression and not activity.)
I am not sure I understand the part on Rels. Him being nitpicky is town but his nitpicking (I assume in this game) doesn't seem scumlike? More things I want to look at: HtS case on LS. Rels. Not sure if I will get that done before going to bed though. Also: Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 04:27 Half the Sky wrote:
I need to put my head down again since I'm still feeling pretty sick. Going to go through again Trfel/Damdred/Fidei/disformation etc. on a full re-read. I'm also having issues with town reads.
Right now, I need to flesh out Trfel a little more, same for disformation and LS. The lynch list right now is kush/DYH, Onegu is straight policy, but there's got to be an active mafia somewhere.
Palmar is probably town but this is a gut feel based on how he proceeded with the case. Why did you want to re-read me here? That post was after you asked me some questions, but before I answered them. Next is also on page 4. Another instance where Onegu's name on search came up, but he wasn't directly discussing him. On December 03 2015 07:52 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 07:51 Rels wrote:On December 03 2015 07:50 The Shining wrote:
With the amount of voting reminders I've received, it wouldn't shock me if both MD and Onegu were modkilled. But that doesn't help us figure out the lynch here. I will say if either one ninjas in a vote before EoD and doesn't post anything, its going to look really bad. I know for a fact that Onegu's absence is NAI. ++ on Moosy. Can you read DYH's filter ? It is super short. Yeah, his filter is also super bad. I was talking about this earlier. His last post before he vanished gave a bit of a pause, cause it makes less sense for scum... fuck is this game hard. This post is interesting because someone, can't remember who, said the whole idea of "fuck this game is hard" is a mafia tactic to discourage and throw town on tilt. Rels mentions Onegu's absence being NAI but disformation neither agrees nor disagrees here. Also, the quote tree is from Rels to Shining, asking me to read DYH's filter. Disformation chose to answer this for himself, for some reason. On page 5 of his filter, his next mention of the FF/Onegu slot is after FF replaced. + Show Spoiler +On December 04 2015 00:08 disformation wrote:
hi, everyone.
Doing some chores so semi-around.
Some quick thoughts:
NocturneMage's Entry:
I agree that it feels a bit off that the first post sounds like he is pretty sure HtS is scum and in the last one he talks to her from both perspectives. But I played with both town!NM and scum!NM and his play is like day and night depending on alignment.
You can check out NSM13 and NSM 17 to verify.
So I feel he will be pretty easy to read, when he plays D2.
FecalFeast
At first I was a bit worried because he was super lazy in NSM17 as town (until EoD2), but then he mentioned not being here because Fallout 4, so that code checks out.
DYH
I 100% agree with Rels case.
HtS
From the top of my head I feel like there is a certain lack on follow ups. I also remembered playing with town!HtS in my first game (NSM9), where she was interrogating me inquisiton style EoD1 and D2 to get some conclusions from me. That kind of fire is a bit missing here I feel.
So her coming back to follow up on the promised re-reads of people and throwing out some reads, would be great. These few reads. He gives NM a D2 pass. But it's his FecalFeast and HtS reads that strike me as weird. He softs on HtS, certain lack of follow ups, hints that she plays a different style as town and that that fire is missing. But he leaves her an opening to follow up on re-reads and throw out reads Also, at first he was a bit worried because FF is super lazy as town but since his Fallout excuse checks out, he's less worried. So how is this worrying? If he's super lazy as town, and he's being lazy as town here(which he wasn't town), how would this make you worry? I just don't understand the statement/thought/read. Note that they never once interacted up to this point, at least in Disformation's filter. Here is the first interaction I found, also on page 5: + Show Spoiler +On December 04 2015 08:50 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 08:21 Fecalfeast wrote:
no no disform, he entered the game saying he was going to scumread hts before he even read the game. He doesn't need any more explanation than that Yeah. Not entirely trusting NM at the moment. But I also am kinda null of HtS (as explained at night). At the very least I think the case can help us figure out NM, so I want to see what he got. Also HtS has not posted a single thing the nightphase, right? Disfo asks NM to explain his HtS read and vote before NM posted his case. FF makes that post and Disfo follows FF's train of logic to not entirely trust NM. So both are skeptical and suspicious of NM voting confirmed scum HtS. "Kinda null on HtS" is a weird thing to reiterate, too. And instead of going to check her filter to land on either side of null, or to even check if she's posted a single thing during nightphase, he asks the thread instead. This is a thread temperature check. There is another post on page 5 of his filter where he does some voting analysis RE: the kush lynch. This post is interesting, as well. + Show Spoiler +On December 04 2015 10:09 disformation wrote:Vote Count D1
Kushm4sta (7): Fidei86, Damdred, LS, Shining, Rels, HTS, Palm LightningStrike (4): disformation, kushm4sta, DoYouHas, Trfel Not Voting (2): MoosyDoosy, Onegu So. I would assume that at least 1 mafia is on the Kushm4sta train. Let us look at the read progression on kush..
Fidei86- "I don't know kush very well."
+ Show Spoiler +On December 01 2015 09:01 Fidei86 wrote:
Evening all. Usual plea for everyone to avoid spam if possible - if few meaningful posts was good enough for Foolishness in that game he played in the guide, it's good enough for us. Also I know at least me and Dani work quite intense jobs, so it's very hard to keep up if there's 10 new pages every time I come back.
So that people know, the people in the game I know best are Half the Sky and Rels. I've been town with both, supervised both when I GMed and was Mafia with Rels once. I also have played with a lot of the rest of you before, including Moosy, Lightning Strike, Onegu and Damdred. I don't know DYH, trfel, dis, Kush or Palmar very well.
Early on, I'd say the easiest scum read is Shining. He posted asking why he was here, then about trumpets, then he went quiet. It's early, so it's lean.
DYH's question of Rels seems towny, although I also think Rels' entrance was kind of towny, albeit wrongheaded. When he's Mafia Rels buddies up with everyone he likes and relentlessly fights with anyone who calls him out. I wouldn't expect a Mafia Rels to jump in and start picking fights so early, even about blues.
Everyone else is null.
I'm on GMT so it's way past my bed-time. Night all.
- Calls a post by kush "worst post ever"
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 03:25 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 02:45 kushm4sta wrote:
Yes I use my own experience as scum to predict how other people will act as scum. But actually I was accusing him of a standard scumtell, over defense.
Don't put too much stock in what I say, because I don't have any sort of handle on this game so far. I am looking forward to playing in a few days after the herd has been thinned.
My vote stays on Rels for now. Probably he isn't scum but maybe he is and on my phone it takes a lot of effort to change my vote. Okay this is probably the worst thing I've ever read from someone on this site ever. You want to lynch someone who you don't think is scum because you can't be bothered to change your vote???
- Throws kush into the "useless" pile
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 04:08 Fidei86 wrote:
Town
Shining - He was winning townie plaudits for his fight with Palmar, but rather than carry it on (and continuing to crap up the thread) he stopped (or at least tried to) and gave a good read post at #229. I like his read on dis, which I agree with. He asks Kush and Moosy to do more, at a stage where the better Mafia play would have been to ignore them and let town coalesce towards a "lynch all idiots" lynch. (Disclaimer: I previously called him out for not stopping the fight, but a re-read of his filter shows he was trying to stop it but Palmar wouldn't let it go.)
Trfel - Rels is right, for someone with over 3k posts Trfel sure apologises a lot. He seems to have some sort of reason for his early LS read, which I don't really care about. I actually like is read on Rels "why is he just throwing shit everywhere." Maybe town side of null. His later posts show quite nuanced reasoning. Moved to town for now, otherwise mostly everyone would be null
Dis - he and Trfel are playing similarly in my view. Both reading the thread, giving thoughts relatively fearlessly. Nothing that particularly jumps out as scummy. Lean read.
Null
Damdred - underwhelmed by his reads, which seem to mostly have been of Shining. Need to filter dive. No sense in lynching today.
Damdred - whole filter is super underwhelming. Says he has town reads, but then just gives me and Shining without and further explanation. Lacklustre but posts come off as condescending. Scum side of null but wouldn't lynch yet.
HTS - I am scared of a Mafia Dani, and that is probably colouring my read of her. One thing I'm not sure of is why she voted for DYH having just excoriated kush for his dumbass post about voting for Rels.
Palmar - his entire first act was fighting with Shining. He made his point, and I agreed with it. But he kept pushing and pushing beyond when it was reasonable. I also didn't like that he called my first post "fine" and "null" but at another point said I was a "tow read". Says he doesn't want to lynch into me, then later says I'd be an okay lynch? Huh? I had him in Mafia, but his last few reads on Damdred and
Rels - I'm all over the place on Rels. I've made the point that Mafia Rels tends to buddy harder than he is here. But in this game he seems to be talking in complete parallel to the thread, raising points others aren't but not engaging in the same sort of manner I would expect from a town Rels. But I actually really like his DYH read and vote.
Mafia
LS - his entry list was all nulls ("I need more time on Moosy" -- no shit!) and basic basic points that display no particular thought. #431 says the game is hard but hasn't really given a read on anyone? O
Useless
Kush - he is going to have to do a lot to get back from "not changing my Rels vote even though he might be town because changing votes is hard"
Moosy - only sensible post is pushing Shining on his read of me. When he'd explained it like 8 times and I'd only made one post.
DYH - Lots of town-reads and afk promises. Hardly encouraging. Was not really a fan of his Trfel read.
Onegu. It's O-word dude. Hands up if you're surprised.
- Shenanies happen, Fidei86 switches and further explains that he dislikes kush's progression on LS.
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 07:56 Fidei86 wrote:
Switch to kush On December 03 2015 07:58 Fidei86 wrote:
I'll consolidate if needed but kush's progression on LS screams scum. He only gives reads on a few ppl, one of whom is LS, who he says is town. Then he switches when people start piling on.
LightningStrike- "Wish kush would be doing stuff"
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:Back from class after some relaxation. Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 07:18 Rels wrote:
LS: if you had to name a team of 3 mafias, who would that be and why ? Idk yet this game is getting a little hard. I wish that Onegu and Kush actually do stuff so I can flesh them out in terms of alignment. Otherwise after considering that he did his thing on me as a trap(if I reading this correctly) Tfrel moved to null for now but still it was kind of a weird thing to do for him. Idk why people having trouble with DYS? I see him more of a newbie player than a veteran player honestly so(shrugs). So nothing yet for a team.
- "VOTE KUSH"
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 07:59 LightningStrike wrote:
FUcCK IT MOVE OVER TO KUSH NOW GUYS
The Shining- Dislikes how kush got onto the LS wagon
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 07:52 The Shining wrote:
Yeah I don't really like the way kush and DYH got onto the LS wagon. And what disfo just said about everyone voting LS. It took off really quickly. Damdred hasn't come back either and LS is pretty much his wagon.
Ugh.
- Switches to kush
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 07:57 The Shining wrote:
Fuck it. I'm down. Shenanny onto kush. Let's do it.
Rels- kush = useless
+ Show Spoiler +On December 01 2015 19:12 Rels wrote:
Useful List of Useless People
Onegu
kushmasta
DoYouHas
Do stuff or be lynched. On December 02 2015 01:32 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 01:27 Trfel wrote:On December 01 2015 18:50 Rels wrote:On December 01 2015 18:44 Trfel wrote:On December 01 2015 18:41 Rels wrote:On December 01 2015 18:16 Trfel wrote:
I kind of want to lynch The Shining, but that seems like a very bad idea right now. He's put in a bunch of effort (regardless of alignment) on a busy day for him. Most of the problems that I have with his posts are wording, tone, and a bit of consistency, which aren't the most reliable. I do feel that his posting somewhat fits mafia motivation, but I'm nowhere near confident enough to be happy lynching him now. I feel that The Shining's alignment will become very clear with a bit more time. 1 - this is sooooo non commital. 2 - we're right on the period Shining has no internet. So I have no idea what additionnal info you will have when he AFK for 24 hours. What part of the "not lynching The Shining" part did you miss? I thought I read "I kind of want to lynch The Shining" somewhere in that post. This part about Shining reads to me as "I'm OK lynching Shining but I'll need someone to convince me." Under normal circumstances, I'd be suspicious of The Shining here and would be maybe willing to lynch him Day 1. However, since The Shining probably won't be able to play much today, and wasn't 100% there yesterday, I think that giving him a Day 1 pass is probably best. Sorry that wasn't clear in my initial posts.
Is anyone else kind of suspicious of Rels? The way that he has been throwing suspicions at everyone feels like he's trying to keep his options open to lynch anyone he chooses. I don't recall him posting a single townread (which isn't that important), but the way he's been pressuring so many people without follow through or without a serious push seem so strange. The vote on DoYouHas feels extremely opportunistic, as well. I was really hoping that DoYouHas wouldn't be brought up for a while, I wanted to see what he did if he wasn't bothered. I remember checking the exact same thing that Rels mentioned earlier, and I'm not entirely on board, but I'll let DoYouHas speak for himself. Yep I'm suspicious of too many people. I would lynch Damdred or DYH right now; fidei is weird; HTS' post on LS makes a lot of sense. Onegu and kush are useless.
- switches
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 07:58 Rels wrote:
OK I'll switch to kush
Half the Sky- "Not sure I like this reaction from kush
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 00:17 Half the Sky wrote:James, right now, I'd say town given how he's broken down the case. On DYH, definitely odd how looking at timestamps, that progression. I looked at his filter quickly and he responds on things related to Palmar/Shining but didn't reconsider Trfel or at least that reaction in conjunction with something else, since I believe Trfel was up late in skimming. Unless there was reason not to, there was a lack of followup there. Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 11:40 kushm4sta wrote:
Shining looking like a decent d1 lynch I guess. Reasoning is that if Palmer called me 100 percent scum I'd be like lol.
Instead he doth protest too much, Not sure I like this reaction from kushmasta either. He makes an assumption that Shining would or should react the same way he does. It is why I asked Shining what his other reads were, and they looked reasonable at first glance last night. Also begs the question why he's still voting Rels or why he feels Rels initial push was worse than Shining's. I'm lying down for a few hours, any more questions, fire away.
- kush got TMI?
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 03:40 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 02:45 kushm4sta wrote:
Yes I use my own experience as scum to predict how other people will act as scum. But actually I was accusing him of a standard scumtell, over defense.
Don't put too much stock in what I say, because I don't have any sort of handle on this game so far. I am looking forward to playing in a few days after the herd has been thinned.
My vote stays on Rels for now. Probably he isn't scum but maybe he is and on my phone it takes a lot of effort to change my vote. Phoneposting from my bed - aside from the obvious you two (Fabian and James) just hashed out, do you or anyone else think the bolded is TMI? As in, he is posting as such he knows he won't die.
- kush being on her lynch list
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 04:27 Half the Sky wrote:
I need to put my head down again since I'm still feeling pretty sick. Going to go through again Trfel/Damdred/Fidei/disformation etc. on a full re-read. I'm also having issues with town reads.
Right now, I need to flesh out Trfel a little more, same for disformation and LS. The lynch list right now is kush/DYH, Onegu is straight policy, but there's got to be an active mafia somewhere.
Palmar is probably town but this is a gut feel based on how he proceeded with the case.
- switches votes
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 06:56 Half the Sky wrote:
I'll switch votes as well.
LS can you comment more on why Trfel is null for you based on what you said or possibly his current gameplay now if he was someone you focused on?
Palmar- kush useless baddy, good lynch
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 05:04 Palmar wrote:
So I misread DYH and his post is not as atrocious as I thought it was while phonereading today.
Still bad, still a good default lynch.
I'm not actually putting a ton of effort into this game but I don't want to lynch into this list: Trfel, Fidei, HTS, disformation. Maybe Rels belongs there too. This is in no way a "these people are town" list, just a "I have seen something that makes me not want to lynch them right now".
Damdred is being a bit weird but I'm not gonna call him mafia yet.
Also, Kush and Onegu are useless baddies who will be useless throughout the game. Flipping a coin and lynching one of them is a good play
- "So wann lynch onegu or kush instead?"
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 06:36 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 06:35 Damdred wrote:On December 03 2015 06:30 Palmar wrote:On December 03 2015 06:29 Damdred wrote:
Sadly that's just how he and a lot of the newer players play now Palmar. Its really annoying and sadly moosey is actually a good player when he decides to play, something about keeping a clean scum meta.
I think hes worth a power role move perhaps at night but I wouldn't lynch him today.
What do you think of LS Palmar. I haven't read him. Also, we have Onegu to deal with, our vigi can't shoot two people. Thing that moosey will start playing n1-d2 in my experience Ok so wanna kill kush or onegu instead?
So. Nearly all ppl had multiple mentions of kush as useless and/or expressed some degree of willingness to lynch him before the EoD trouble. LightningStrike didn't, but him voting kush was for survival and pretty NAI. For Palmar it is in line with his desire to lynch inactive baddies. Rels and The Shining have the least amount of previous mentions of kush before, but I don't see anything suggesting a scum mindset for the switch either... The kush thing also happend in a few minutes, so I am not sure if the order/timing of votes does have much impact either... Hope I can add some red colour to my next attempt at VCA as this one wasn't significant. TLDR: Let's look at everyone voting kush and their progression on kush. In order, with quotes. Now look at his summaries. Nearly everyone had problems with the kush uselessness, or had willingness to lynch him. Conclusions? LS voting for kush was for survival and NAI. Palmar? It fits with him wanting to lynch inactive baddies. Rels and Shining? Least amounts of previous mentions of kush, but nothing suggesting a scum mindset for the switch. Who did he leave out on his conclusion? Half The Sky, who happened to be a null read before this. There is literally no attempt to figure out the alignment on someone he has as null while doing vote count analysis. Next is a short little interaction between FF and disfo. I went into FF's filter to get the most I could out of it and it reminded me that scumteams have trouble interacting with eachother in-thread. This is also on page 5 of Disfo's filter. + Show Spoiler +On December 04 2015 10:33 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 10:24 disformation wrote:On December 04 2015 10:15 Fecalfeast wrote:
I replaced into one of these high effort games eh? I don't think I can compete with Trfel. This HtS thing is super confusing to me right now, so I was trying to find something in the EoD1. Like Trfel is sending mixed signal, NocturneMage replaced into a super shady looking slot with some shady looking entry posts and the guy I have a scum read on (DYH) hesitates not a second to vote with NM... though after rereading DYH's case on HtS it isn't bad... which brings me to the next point: If I ignore HtS's sickness, she doesn't good either. Can't even hope that Damdred comes in, drops three one liners, and drops some of his logic...  Btw, do you have a read on DYH? not yet no Disfo finds it necessary to respond to FF about this being a high effort game, as if he's hyper-aware of FF. But it's not a direct interaction that leads to anything. DYH is suspicious and didn't hesitate to vote with NM. But after rereading DYH's case on HtS it isn't bad. If I ignore HtS sickness, she doesn't look good. It's like he doesn't know whether to vote his scummate HtS or push someone else. So he asks FF if he has a read on DYH. "not yet no" reads like classic scum not wanting/knowing how to interact with other scum. Short, curt, we interacted, move on. Around this time, his nullread/potential scummate HtS is starting to get scummed and pushed hard by DYH and NM. DYH is the lower content, less townread of the 2 so he starts tunneling him. Hard. Even making preflip association between him and HtS. + Show Spoiler +On December 04 2015 10:44 disformation wrote:
So for the record: I think DYH is scum. If you are right and HtS is scum, too, then yes he is bussing her. But that is preflip association stuff. He still hasn't moved off of HtS being null and keeps pushing DYH. He tries to get Rels onboard by quoting his earlier case on DYH. Most of his filter page 6 is about DYH. Then there's this: + Show Spoiler +On December 05 2015 01:19 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2015 01:11 Rels wrote:
Disfo: one of NM and HTS is probably scum. Can you chose one ? I don't think this comes from scum!NM Show nested quote +On December 05 2015 00:25 NocturneMage wrote:
I also heavily believe LS is Mafia. He's going out after Dani.
If Dani flips town, I am giving her my next two weeks' salary and I'll take a mislynch because I am that fucking bad at understanding someone I know extremely well in real life.
There is zero fucking chance she is town. Zero.
Rels, I can understand you being hesitant because I'm not being "analytical" but this is HTS we are talking about here. She is a weasel when she is Mafia. And as explained here: Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 00:08 disformation wrote:
HtS
From the top of my head I feel like there is a certain lack on follow ups. I also remembered playing with town!HtS in my first game (NSM9), where she was interrogating me inquisiton style EoD1 and D2 to get some conclusions from me. That kind of fire is a bit missing here I feel.
So her coming back to follow up on the promised re-reads of people and throwing out some reads, would be great. I think HtS is null at best. Since NM is starting to gain a bunch of townie brownies and I believe that his read on HtS is godtier, HtS has a pretty high chance of flipping scum. ...shit. Am I tunneled on DYH? Rels wants him to pick the more likely scum between HtS and NM. Instead of picking one, he says this play can't come from scumNM, then continues to cling onto that nullread of HtS. Next sentence? HtS has a pretty high chance of flipping scum. What?? Then questioning if he's tunneled on DYH. Yes, he is. NM even picks up on this contradiction and Disfo explains it away as the null being his earlier position, and him now warming up to NM's case and an HtS lynch. Page 7 of his filter has a few posts giving more town cred to NM and reasons why. But he never votes HtS. Now we get what is a pretty telling list post to me. + Show Spoiler +On December 05 2015 07:35 disformation wrote:Okay. Heads up: As per my pre game excuse I won't have time to play tomorrow. I am at my parents' in the afternoon and go to a friends' straight from there. Will miss the deadline by an hour or something. I might get a few phone posts in here and there, but don't count on it. Will be here for another like 4 hours, so if you have questions: shoot now before you regret it. So I am currently at: townPalmar Rels The Shining town leansNoctuneMage FFLightningStrike scumHalf the SkyDoYouHas wtf bananaboatTrfel Super sleeping on and need to read the filterFidei86 So some people said that it made sense for him to vote DYH over HtS D2 because he had HtS as null. THIS POST DISPROVES THAT. HE SCUMMED HTS. It's also interesting to note that up to this point, there's been almost NO interaction with FF, but he has him at a townlean. Why is this? Then a little while after: + Show Spoiler +On December 05 2015 08:17 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2015 08:12 Fecalfeast wrote:
Ok am at work what's up boys I see hts still hasn't popped up? Guess she gave up?
Hmmm... I think her last post was at start of N1 when kush flipped? So possible. Currently looking at Fidei86's filter. Any questions for me while I am around? Have you looked at DYH, yet? Just like the last time, FF makes a vague post directed at no one in particular, and Disfo feels compelled to answer it. But he still tries to get FF to read DYH. If he really thinks HtS is also scum, why is he so adamant about now-confirmed scum FF reading DYH? He also seems to have just slapped a townread on FF for no apparent reason and is trying to get him to push DYH with him. Another gem on page 7: + Show Spoiler +On December 05 2015 11:26 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2015 11:07 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 05 2015 11:01 Trfel wrote:On December 05 2015 10:55 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 05 2015 10:29 Trfel wrote:On December 05 2015 10:06 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 04 2015 10:51 disformation wrote:Too make my argument a bit more readable: - scum is hiding in the middleground
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 08:30 DoYouHas wrote:I don't like a lot about Trfel right now. I don't like that he made a mountain out of a molehill with Damdred and did a snap OMGUS. I don't like how he is sliding between sheeping Palmar and Rels. I don't like how he is complaining that Damdred won't work with him, which should not matter unless his read did a 180 and he is confident Damdred is town, and I really don't like this: Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 02:24 Trfel wrote:
I realized that DoYouHas' activity fits a mafia motivation fairly strongly, assuming that Damdred is town. And still fits somewhat if Damdred is mafia. A strong scumread on me with no explanation, even when pressed. Maybe he just doesn't have a good explanation at this point. Side note, he complains that Damdred won't work with him but refuses to work with Damdred when he gets pressed on his reasoning for attacking me. The conciliatory nature of some of Trfels posts gave me pause since he was so bullheaded with his scumgame last time but I would definitely put him top of my list at the moment. I get the town feels from a lot of the movers and shakers this game which makes me think that scum are hiding in the middle ground, so that is where I'm going to look next. P.S. I wasn't trying excuse a lack of posting. I was pointing out that there are large stretches of time where I cannot post. People seemed to be jumping on the wagon simply because I was afk.
- Was reading the middleground ppl (Fid,HtS,LS,disfo), but haven't got anything out of it
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.
Gnight folks
@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels.
- "Got no scumreads" (really?) "so i am sheeping town" "btw disfo totally town now"
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 07:36 DoYouHas wrote:
Welp, if you don't have good scumreads, sheep the wagon of your townreads.
##Vote: LS On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote:
What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is.
Wat? I have pointed this problem out, Rels has pointed this out, but nothing happens. can you flesh out why you think this progression is scummy any further? I'm looking at this filter and while it's a little short on portion size it's looking pretty well explained. Not to mention the fact that if HTS flips red here the fact remains that he brought her up as a potential target before NM + Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 11:08 NocturneMage wrote:
hts is a sleazeball as mafia, I love her to death, but I'll pretty much know immediately if she's mafia because I obviously know her in real life and if she's out of bounds with her personality, she is almost certainly mafia. obviously if I think she's mafia, I will case her in a way that doesn't require you to know her in real life. unless her dota friends want to argue they have some feels on her from external behaviour. rels, fidei? I'm looking at you two.
although seeing doyouhas' post, if hts got someone lynched who was scumreading her, that is a major red flag in my book. that is routine mafia play for her. dani as mafia will absolutely push the lynches of the people who want her dead. so dyh, what was her role in the lynch? I'm clearly not playing this game right because I actually really, really like what disformation says here. But I didn't care that much when he first said it Basically, DoYouHas (in the middle of Day 1 ish) stated that he was going to take a look at the people in the "middle" (because he felt that the most active/vocal people were town). Fair enough. He looked at Fidei86, Half the Sky, LightningStrike, and disformation, and didn't get anything out of it. I'm not sure if this means he didn't get any scumreads out of this or if he didn't get any reads at all from this, if I can catch DoYouHas sometime I'd like to ask this. From this, two things happened. First, he came up with a townread on disformation (because he was sheeping the wagon of his townreads, and mentioned disformation). Second, he got a scumread and case on Half the Sky Night 1, despite not getting much scummy (presumably) from her filter earlier. Hm, I guess this makes sense. Maybe I need to look more closely but let's assume there's no shenanigans tomorrow and HTS flips red. What does that make you think of DYH? I'm fairly suspicious of DoYouHas. I'm not really sure what implications a Half the Sky scum flip would have on DoYouHas. Do you have any thoughts about NocturneMage or anyone else that you want to talk about? DYH brought up HTS as possibler scum before NM and NM referenced DYH in his post calling HTS scummy. I think NM's entrance set a bit of a scummy tone initially but his recent postings have been pointed and he seems to be following a logical thought progression. He's obviously very confident in his HTS read which is why I'm sheeped all over that. I think NM is towny though I'm pretty allergic to deep reading right now. also he has 5 pages after replacing in night 1, is NM known to be a high effort scum? In NM's only scum game so far, where he was the godfather and got lynched on D3, he had a 3 page filter. And if HtS flips scum (probably will), I will look at the votes, their timings and the reasons for the vote. Yes, DYH did bring up HtS first. But this was after he had previously found nothing in her filter and MD got replaced by NM. NM also mentioned that HtS is good at coaching. Since DYH case on HtS is of a much higher quality than his previous posts, I could see him being coached on that. So yeah, I think this has a good chance of being a bus. He thinks HtS will probably flip scum, as per this post. And continues to make unflipped association about a bus. As if he knows HtS is going to flip scum. Then there's a post where he hopes we'll get more info from the votes on D2, when everyone but him is voting HtS. I just can't understand why he wouldn't consolidate onto HtS when she was one of his 2 scumreads. Instead, he keeps up his tunnel DYH(He's doing it even now). Since HtS flipped, the next few posts will be his interactions and talk on FF. It's interesting to note his first post on page 8 of his filter, he can now put his bus theory to work because HtS flipped scum. This is a post on page 8 RE: Fecalfeast: + Show Spoiler +On December 07 2015 07:38 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2015 07:28 Fecalfeast wrote:just slept for 12 hours this song speaks to me on a deep level. Did we ever establish the setup based on hts' flip? Do I have to write a last will in case we have a patient vig? "Unfortunately, this video is not available in your country because it could contain music, for which we could not agree on conditions of use with GEMA." And I was looking forward to some good scum-huntin' music. And yeah I think we still have 3 possible setups? Also no clue bout the patient vigi... if you feel like someone is watching you and taking aim, a few notes would be nice. Another vague FF post aimed at no one. Another response from Disfo. It just feels like he's so hyper aware of every time FF enters the thread, but he's never found a good reason to TR him. The only thing he mentions here is some setup talk. With FF being confirmed scum, this feels like it's just there to WIFOM the thread. And also kind of a plea for FF to put in some effort if he's his scummate. Up to this point in Disfo's filter, he's discussed Trfel, NM, LS, DYH, Fidei multiple times. Palmar, Rels and myself were townreads. The people he's discussed least just so happen to be our 2 confirmed scum, HtS and FF. Next FF interaction, I was going to spoiler but it's not even worth it. FF apologizes for replacing into this game and capcom cup and Disfo says something about needing a 3rd monitor. These interactions are so weird and I don't understand the town motivation behind it. "I'm going to talk to you just to talk to you" is all I can get from it, and that's a mafia trait, not a town trait. Annnndddd I've got a headache from staring at this screen too damn long. I'll finish this a little later or tomorrow, ideally before night phase ends. You can all chew on this and tell me how right/wrong I am in my opinions, but the deeper I get into this, the more I convince myself. Bbs. Reminder to myself: Continue from page 8.
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+ Show Spoiler +Nah, carry on, I just want to use that since like 3 games, but never found a good situation.
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