EPTI felt the way some of the shit I was looking at was counterintuitive for town play. Like how the fuck am I supposed to read the unreadable?
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I felt the way some of the shit I was looking at was counterintuitive for town play. Like how the fuck am I supposed to read the unreadable? | ||
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I'll rephrase. I'll give an example. Like LS as I've been saying all game was doing dick all. I have no idea how I was supposed to ever townread him. Trfel was making no sense either. Like I needed the flip and the votes to figure it out. Am I making sense? | ||
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On December 09 2015 18:47 Fidei86 wrote: The thing I don't understand is how the VCA, in my mind, massively implicates either Rels or Alex. But neither seems to think that it could possibly be the other. ??? It is like I said yesterday, there was no reason for two scum to try and tag the wagon with several mislynches left. Shining's explanation of massive cred needed makes more sense when disformation didn't have enough/much to begin with. | ||
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On December 09 2015 13:33 Trfel wrote: Hey, NocturneMage... First of all, I'm sorry. I'd rather not get into exactly why I played like I did, but I really am sorry. My mafia play has way too many problems, and the way my play was towards you and Damdred is definitely one of the larger ones. I saw something that made me think you were town, I think maybe it was Fecalfeast being willing to lynch you based on my case, while also saying why the case was wrong on several points. It seems like this could be the way that scum treats scum, to set up for a bus while sort of fighting against it, but I feel like it's much more likely that this is scum towards town, saying "here's an easy mislynch" but also setting up an "I told you so" afterwards. In addition to the overall picture showing a ridiculous determination to solve the game, which I have a bad habit of ignoring. Nine times out of ten, the players who are trying really hard and putting in tons of effort really are town, no matter what stupid ideas you come up with that say otherwise. Anyway, I'd be lying if I said I was completely sure you were town, I'm not really sure of much of anything at this point. But I am sorry, and hopefully we can work together a little more effectively in the future if need be. It's fine. This was as just as much on me if not more as I would have needed any flip to realise you were town where you saw it before the fact. The experience part you mentioned post flip I get it. This is my first game with no coaches, 4th overall, the honest plan when I replaced in and saw I was town was to try and lean a little on a town HTS trying to solve this game. That's why I wanted and needed to try and get a read on her ASAP. Except that plan went out the window in the mere minutes I read her filter to determine she wasn't town. =/ As for yesterday I just felt probability wise someone in the active group had to be throwing us off track. The second paragraph I think I see what you are saying though. | ||
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There were honestly a few things I could see coming from town (eg this game is hard) and I am not quite grasping the point about Dani distancing but overall I think the case makes sense if I understood his central point correctly. | ||
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But (1) did you look at the interactions in reverse (2) how are you so sure as to DYH/HTS on the same team like Shining has given the appropriate interactions to make all three of his suggested fit on the scum team. Or are you still on the theory that his case emerged too close to the time of my replacement? I just felt it was almost equally likely that he could have cased her even without my existence. I mean I have never played with DYH. But the methods he used certainly looked valid not like he had TMI. IDK. | ||
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On December 09 2015 20:22 Rels wrote: I would be OK with a disfo lynch though. The last scum is between these two. Agreed. | ||
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Even someone as inexperienced as me would try and do something with it  | ||
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On December 09 2015 22:28 disformation wrote: good afternoon everbody, what is up?  Any questions for me? do you have any responses to the case? | ||
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Where Shining asks what are your next two lynches to win the game? | ||
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On December 09 2015 22:25 Rels wrote: It's like almost confirmed the setup is vet / boxer. The only other way is if there is a cop that checked Damdred or Palmar; in any other case he should have out his check. I don't believe a vig / cop would have held their shots until N3. I have had one game as cop. I was told by my coach to only claim in 3 situations (1) if I was getting lynched (2) in mylo/lylo with all checks (3) if I got a redcheck and even in that situation, to evaluate for a possible miller or whether you can push that player's lynch without outing the check. But surely I imagine everyone has different opinions, I guess claiming early does narrow the lynch pool but it seems intriguing to wait it out and then claim in lylo, possibly throwing a wrench in mafia's plans if you are set up for possible mislynch. IDK. | ||
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On December 09 2015 12:54 LightningStrike wrote: I thought that was NM not you that asked that? Anyways: James(see my epic fail case but still think he could be mafia) One of Rels/NM if both of them are alive at that point. I am quite curious. Like I have reasoning to think you are town. But on the Trfel wagon: (1) myself (pretty damned early) (2) flipped mafia FF (who sheeped me an hour after I went to bed) (3) Rels (right at end of cycle) you can double check the timestamps but I am sure I am close to accurate. why are you so sure scum would give themselves away like that with 3 mislynches to go? especially given the timing. for Rels to try and save a scumbuddy with a decent chance of failing, or for FF to sheep me and sit there all cycle doing dick all. you have approx 25 games under your belt to my 3, surely you are more informed on something I'm not | ||
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On December 09 2015 22:46 disformation wrote: Well. DYH duh. Currently my predictions for the rest of the game are: a) we lynch DYH D4. He flips, red we win. b) we lynch me D4. I flip green. We lynch DYH D5. He flips red, we win. In the off chance that I am wrong on DYH, or we assume a hypothetical situation, where there was no DYH, things get a bit complicated. Trfel looks very good as per the votes from yesterday. You bussing your roleblocker is still a bit too tinfoilly for me. Would also be a sick play, though. The Shining is tunneled town. Still think Rels is town, not 100% here though. So that PoE leaves me with Fidei86 and LS. Fidei86 only started to really try and solve the game, after a few ppl started to get really suspicious of him yesterday. I don't like that LS mostly coasts by off screaming around at EoD and his mighty case, was a 80% rip off of mine. I have to at least sue him for intellectual property theft. :p If you don't think I bussed my roleblocker, why do you think DYH did? | ||
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HTS tried to explain to me how to balance 13-player games sometime back and I just told her to stop after 5 minutes because my head was spinning. I'm so bad Anyhow need to afk again, curious to see the full case response disformation. | ||
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You guys mislynched a blue right? If Dani wasn't so sick she'd have 100% been drinking a lot. Lynching a blue role is big for scum. Dani always encourages her scummates to drink a lot around end of cycle. Mislynches and nightkills are causes for celebration. Check to see if disformation was making any drunk posts after the mislynch? Same for dayposts. Or maybe a few too many typos? That should tell you something.  | ||
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