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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 08 2015 12:37 GMT
#1738
On December 08 2015 21:34 Fidei86 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2015 21:30 Rels wrote:
Bro if you're mafia I ll be super impressed.

Being town is frustrating, but being Mafia is like being hunted. I wonder if that's a heuristic that might help in this game. Hmm.

Kind of a backhanded compliment there Rels, but I'll take it

You re the one that bought up disfo saying game is hard I'm pretty sure. When I read that I thought it was town indicative.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 08 2015 12:50 GMT
#1739
On December 07 2015 09:47 DoYouHas wrote:
Her interaction with Trfel makes him very likely town.

Please expand.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 08 2015 12:53 GMT
#1740
On December 08 2015 14:17 DoYouHas wrote:
Soooooo, my reason for townreading Trfel apparently is bad. It is association based on his interactions with HtS. I've been looking at his last scum game. If I was playing, I would never have picked up on anything odd between him and Breshke. So confused...

Oh here is the expanded version.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 08 2015 13:01 GMT
#1742
Man I had forgotten that DYH was scum.
Please vote DYH and let's lynch scum.
I hope that's enough to make you (yes, you, reading this) switch; read his filter and understand why.
Hints:
- what is his only strong read ? Did it start after a replacement of someone special to HTS ? Could scum know NM would push HTS regardless of NM's alignement ?
- how strong is his other reads compared to his main one ?
- what evolution his NM read take ?
- is he doing nothing while tons of people are townreading him and fighting each other ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 08 2015 13:02 GMT
#1743
##Unvote
##Vote DoYouHas
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 08 2015 13:04 GMT
#1744
Gotta go back to my training. Will do a case if needed. Send a shout if you find something town-indicative in DYH's filter; otherwise vote him.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 08 2015 13:27 GMT
#1747
Yo LS Imma let you finish but can you read DYH's filter and vote him
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 08 2015 13:38 GMT
#1749
On December 08 2015 22:31 disformation wrote:
Not yet 100% here. I kinda liked DYH's case on me, but him doing a 180° (again) is kinda strange. I need to double check something on this...
Rels, why are you so sure LS is town?
#1745 : Remember that I did a mistake with the "why is he not voting LS thing"

Can totes see DYH being a thing today. Will be here for reelz in about an hour.

I had a post not a long time ago about it. A combination of LS yelling which he has never done as scum + HTS being OK with LS' lynch until 10 minutes before deadline, and then distancing herself from the lynch
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 08 2015 13:38 GMT
#1750
On December 08 2015 22:31 disformation wrote:
Will be here for reelz in about an hour.

Oh you (=
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 08 2015 14:02 GMT
#1754
On December 08 2015 23:00 LightningStrike wrote:
Sheep me everybody. Lynch the Mafia James from these Town grounds!

Tell me when you finished reading DYH's filter
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 08 2015 16:35 GMT
#1762
Good case would sheep.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 08 2015 16:35 GMT
#1763
On December 09 2015 01:21 NocturneMage wrote:
stuck on mobile a bit longer.

why in the bloody hell are we voting DoYouHas? Trfel is 1000% more likely to flip mafia.

and LS' case on Fidei is beyond awful.

Because DYH is scum.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 08 2015 17:22 GMT
#1766
Where is your Xtreme-word-limit-breaker case ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 08 2015 17:24 GMT
#1767
On December 09 2015 02:21 Trfel wrote:
Actually, hm, looking really quickly at Rels' filter the last few pages, I think I'd rather lynch Rels.

The way he bounces from target to target and is scumreading all of them doesn't make me think that he actually cares about the lynch.

I'm pushing my initial scumread.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 08 2015 17:30 GMT
#1770
On December 09 2015 02:21 Trfel wrote:
Actually, hm, looking really quickly at Rels' filter the last few pages, I think I'd rather lynch Rels.

The way he bounces from target to target and is scumreading all of them doesn't make me think that he actually cares about the lynch.

On December 09 2015 02:22 Trfel wrote:
##unvote
##vote Rels

1 - I'm pushing for one lynch. Explain how it matches with "he doesn't care about the lynch".
2 - what you describe is how you played this D2. How is it different from me ?
3 - if NM is scum, DYH is a likely partner, as they would follow the same mafia's plan (busing HTS); and the only strong stuff on DYH's filter is his push on HTS. Why are you not suspecting DYH if you think NM is scum ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 08 2015 17:54 GMT
#1778
I'm going out, but I should be back before deadline. Until then, I will be on my phone.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 08 2015 18:08 GMT
#1780
On December 09 2015 03:04 Fidei86 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2015 02:51 disformation wrote:
On December 09 2015 02:43 NocturneMage wrote:
On December 09 2015 02:29 Fidei86 wrote:
(Disclaimer: Currently drunk)

What are the odds that Mafia Trfel thread re-enters and calls the current wagon dumpster, and tries for a wagon on NM or Rels who nobody else wants to vote?


High. He did this last game, I'm almost positive.


Hm. He came in when 3 ppl where voting on his teammate D1 and called that wagon mafia motivated and tried to discredit the wagon starter.

Doesn't that mean that it would be Trfel DYH? Does that team even make sense? Is it likely the two main wagons Trfel and DYH (NM! Lynch LS with me) are both Mafia?

Xmas party at work.

Why wouldn't it make sense (real question) ?
What makes sense in that team is that Trfel is scumreading NM but townreading DYH, when there is an association between their strategies D2.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 08 2015 18:16 GMT
#1784
On December 09 2015 03:11 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2015 03:04 Fidei86 wrote:
On December 09 2015 02:51 disformation wrote:
On December 09 2015 02:43 NocturneMage wrote:
On December 09 2015 02:29 Fidei86 wrote:
(Disclaimer: Currently drunk)

What are the odds that Mafia Trfel thread re-enters and calls the current wagon dumpster, and tries for a wagon on NM or Rels who nobody else wants to vote?


High. He did this last game, I'm almost positive.


Hm. He came in when 3 ppl where voting on his teammate D1 and called that wagon mafia motivated and tried to discredit the wagon starter.

Doesn't that mean that it would be Trfel DYH? Does that team even make sense? Is it likely the two main wagons Trfel and DYH (NM! Lynch LS with me) are both Mafia?

Xmas party at work.


It is absolutely possible that the team is HTS/DYH/Trfel (particularly with Trfel's hard defence of DYH and DYH looking into Trfel, albeit slightly delayed), and I said to Rels that the points on DYH can be sorted, but the evidence against Trfel is more definitive and alignment indicative than what is on DYH.

How likely is another question though and I had tried to make the argument that you always lynch the more likely mafia of the two. HTS was 1000% more likely than DYH yesterday, and Trfel is much more likely than DYH today. he is making a position change that he cannot possibly believe. the bussing argument has been beaten to death, rels needs to explain how the read on me isn't natural because I'm apparently too dumb to see it.

He mentioned that he kinda townread you; then he mentioned the NM busing theory makes some sense; then he drops it entirely.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 08 2015 18:17 GMT
#1785
On December 09 2015 03:13 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2015 03:08 Rels wrote:
On December 09 2015 03:04 Fidei86 wrote:
On December 09 2015 02:51 disformation wrote:
On December 09 2015 02:43 NocturneMage wrote:
On December 09 2015 02:29 Fidei86 wrote:
(Disclaimer: Currently drunk)

What are the odds that Mafia Trfel thread re-enters and calls the current wagon dumpster, and tries for a wagon on NM or Rels who nobody else wants to vote?


High. He did this last game, I'm almost positive.


Hm. He came in when 3 ppl where voting on his teammate D1 and called that wagon mafia motivated and tried to discredit the wagon starter.

Doesn't that mean that it would be Trfel DYH? Does that team even make sense? Is it likely the two main wagons Trfel and DYH (NM! Lynch LS with me) are both Mafia?

Xmas party at work.

Why wouldn't it make sense (real question) ?
What makes sense in that team is that Trfel is scumreading NM but townreading DYH, when there is an association between their strategies D2.


Clarification question - Is this separate from your NM read evolution argument? or is this THE evolution argument?

Not at all.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 08 2015 18:23 GMT
#1790
On December 09 2015 03:19 NocturneMage wrote:
Okay, I read your argument again. You are making the argument their reads make them mafia by association.

Can you break down a position change that is not believable from DYH's realm with respect to his read on me? Can you break down a position or read change with respect to his read on anyone (aside from HTS)?

I am making this argument for Trfel thus I feel Trfel is more likely mafia than DYH.

I'm going to try and read on mobile one more time to make sure I'm not being dumb.

On this matter, no, its a Trfel problem.
What is extremely weird is the strength of dyh s case just after you got replaced compares to all his other reads this game. He even said before deadline he read Hts filter and found nothing to say; after you get replaced, suddenly a case. Since the lynch he s done almost nothing.
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