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The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
December 13 2015 21:03 GMT
#2451
Actually wait no Im wrong. We do know now that there's 2 goons because of the Vigi and boxer flip. I have reading comprehension issues, meh.

Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
December 13 2015 21:08 GMT
#2453
See my last post. I didn't actually realize what setup it was or that the Vig flip confirmed it. But you're so aware of it. As if it was discussed in a Mafia QT =D

So now you're saying NM is scum and bussed then? Because even if scum would know its B or C after the Boxer flip, without having a GF, bussing an RB when they could block a possible red check or Vig shot is still not the most optimal play. Especially since without the Vig flip at that point, they wouldn't know if there's a cop or not.

Bussing a goon when you're under suspicion is still a likely play.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
December 13 2015 21:18 GMT
#2454
The fact also stands that the things and reasons you found to vote FF were there the entire day phase, but you made these reasons minutes before EoD after the lynch on FF was being pushed and they were the same reasons you thought he was lazy town. And you didn't even say you were sheeping Trfel or me. It's as if you wanted to portray you had original thoughts to vote FF to have a reason to be on the wagon but you blamed his laziness and Fallout 4 excuse.

Disfo says "oh crap remember FF entrance? I was suspicious of him cuz he was always doing stuff and quite lazy like last game" but he wasn't suspicious of him. He towned him for these reasons. It took until right before EoD when the lynch started for Disfo to use these same reasons he towned him as the reason why he was voting him.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
December 13 2015 21:26 GMT
#2459
On December 09 2015 06:14 The Shining wrote:
I love Monday Tuesday phases. /sarcasm
Phone posting. I still want to lynch ff or disfo, honestly. FF taking the cheap sheep route is bad. And disfos posts just aren't feeling like the town disfo I played with before. Weak meta reads because I don't have time to filter but I really do feel I'm right on at least one of these, probably disfo.

I liked DYHs points on hts association, too, I've made similar cases over weird interactions and reads between scummates before. I wish he hadn't backed down on it.

NM Rels Trfel and DYH are town pile. Fidei doesn't feel as bad to me anymore. Voting disfo or ff.


On December 09 2015 07:33 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2015 07:13 Trfel wrote:
Change of assumptions.

I'm going to assume that even if I don't know why, the most active/vocal posters are town and mostly wrong.

And the mafia are casually standing by the side, watching and sometimes supporting, but letting others lead.

I think that this points at Fecalfeast. Thoughts?


I actually like this train of thought, too, and it's one of the reasons that I want to lynch ff. Like I see what are in my opinion a lot of town on town interactions and the ones not weighing in on it are not doing so because they want town to bury themselves


On December 09 2015 07:56 The Shining wrote:
Honestly I'm voting fecal and I think I should be sheeped regardless of those not TRing trfel. It was also brought up that ppl don't want to take LS to lylo

Why would you want to take ff to lylo then?


How is it possible Disfo could have 0 reactions to any of these posts then pull this off?

On December 09 2015 07:58 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2015 07:57 disformation wrote:
Oh crap.
Do you guys remembering FF enter the thread? At first he was like doing a lot of stuff and I was quite suspect because in last game he was ultra lazy. THen suddenly he goes all "lolz fallout 4"?

Voting



He just realizes this now. Tell me again why Disfo is town


Obvious bus is obvious
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
December 13 2015 22:00 GMT
#2466
On December 14 2015 06:38 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2015 06:26 The Shining wrote:
On December 09 2015 06:14 The Shining wrote:
I love Monday Tuesday phases. /sarcasm
Phone posting. I still want to lynch ff or disfo, honestly. FF taking the cheap sheep route is bad. And disfos posts just aren't feeling like the town disfo I played with before. Weak meta reads because I don't have time to filter but I really do feel I'm right on at least one of these, probably disfo.

I liked DYHs points on hts association, too, I've made similar cases over weird interactions and reads between scummates before. I wish he hadn't backed down on it.

NM Rels Trfel and DYH are town pile. Fidei doesn't feel as bad to me anymore. Voting disfo or ff.


On December 09 2015 07:33 The Shining wrote:
On December 09 2015 07:13 Trfel wrote:
Change of assumptions.

I'm going to assume that even if I don't know why, the most active/vocal posters are town and mostly wrong.

And the mafia are casually standing by the side, watching and sometimes supporting, but letting others lead.

I think that this points at Fecalfeast. Thoughts?


I actually like this train of thought, too, and it's one of the reasons that I want to lynch ff. Like I see what are in my opinion a lot of town on town interactions and the ones not weighing in on it are not doing so because they want town to bury themselves


On December 09 2015 07:56 The Shining wrote:
Honestly I'm voting fecal and I think I should be sheeped regardless of those not TRing trfel. It was also brought up that ppl don't want to take LS to lylo

Why would you want to take ff to lylo then?


How is it possible Disfo could have 0 reactions to any of these posts then pull this off?

On December 09 2015 07:58 The Shining wrote:
On December 09 2015 07:57 disformation wrote:
Oh crap.
Do you guys remembering FF enter the thread? At first he was like doing a lot of stuff and I was quite suspect because in last game he was ultra lazy. THen suddenly he goes all "lolz fallout 4"?

Voting



He just realizes this now. Tell me again why Disfo is town


Obvious bus is obvious


The last of your posts you quoted here was like 2 mins b4 my vote and was one of the posts prompting me to look at FF's filter again? Sry for double checking posts myself and not blindly sheeping you...


The first post was an hour and 45 minutes before EoD. The second post was Trfels and a half hour before EoD. You chose to completely ignore these until the wagon started. You didn't have to blindly sheep anyone. You had time to examine these posts and go to FFs filter to compare and comment on them.

But you decided to do so on your own without comparing to these posts after the lynch started. You had almost 0 discussion about FF leading up to the lynch until him being lynched became a real possibility, even though both Trfel and I had mentioned him before.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
December 14 2015 19:10 GMT
#2527
On December 15 2015 03:37 disformation wrote:
Day 1


Kushm4sta (7): Fidei86, Damdred, LS, Shining, Rels, HTS, Palm
LightningStrike (4): disformation, kushm4sta, DoYouHas, Trfel
Not Voting (2): MoosyDoosy, Onegu

Day 2


Half the Sky (9): NocturneMage, DoYouHas, Fecalfeast, Rels, Trfel, Fidei86, Palmar, The Shining, LightningStrike
DoYouHas (1): disformation
NocturneMage (1): Half the Sky

Day 3


Fecalfeast (3): Trfel, The Shining, disformation
Trfel (3): NocturneMage, Fecalfeast, Rels
LightningStrike (1): Fidei86
Fidei86 (1): LightningStrike
Disinformation (1): DoYouHas

Day 4


Rels (3): DoYouHas, NocturneMage, The Shining
DoYouHas (2): disformation, LightningStrike
NocturneMage (2): Fidei86, Rels



Recap of vote reasoning:
The Shining on kush:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 07:52 The Shining wrote:
Yeah I don't really like the way kush and DYH got onto the LS wagon. And what disfo just said about everyone voting LS. It took off really quickly. Damdred hasn't come back either and LS is pretty much his wagon.

Ugh.

Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 07:57 The Shining wrote:
Fuck it. I'm down. Shenanny onto kush. Let's do it.


LS voted kush for survival. NAI.

DoYouHas on LS:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 07:36 DoYouHas wrote:
Welp, if you don't have good scumreads, sheep the wagon of your townreads.

##Vote: LS


I already explained my reasoning for my LS vote, find it somewhere in my filter.
TS vote seems town, but can come from mafia if both wagons are town.
LS NAI.
Mentioned that I am not fond of DYH reason like 3 billion times by now.


TS on HtS:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2015 05:36 The Shining wrote:
Hi. I'm playing catch up. I clicked HtS filter though and the lack of follow-ups on anything since this wagon started feels like she's the right vote, along with NMs case and the point I put out against her. It's sensible she's just not trying to defend herself for fear of giving away her scumteam. Going to vote her then continue reading.

I am not sure what point he put out against her. Can someone point that out to me? Because this might be an attempt to veil he is only voting her cause NM.

LS on HtS:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2015 03:17 LightningStrike wrote:
I just got home:
On December 06 2015 02:36 NocturneMage wrote:
On December 06 2015 01:47 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 06 2015 01:44 NocturneMage wrote:
LS, if someone's end of cycle activity was questionable you absolutely should have questioned them on it. that is a pretty critical thing to start off on. ignoring hts or ANYONE on that criteria doesn't make you look good at all.

She haven't really been around this Day Phase so ofc I can't.
Plus I think she was gone shortly after too as I was too going somewhere so :\


If she doesn't respond, she doesn't respond. The fact is, you didn't question her at all. (if you did, where is the post?)

I mean even Trfel said he had whatever questions for her and he laid them out.

I was waiting for HTS to show up again honestly but I guess this will have to do for her when she feels better.
HTS if you see this and can respond: What was going on in your mind during EoD because I know it was chaotic esp for me because I really thought I was going to get lynched there?

After basically null reading her all day. Waits until very late to vote.

NM on HtS:
Comes in saying she is probably mafia. Talks to her like she might be either alignment. Comes back to vote her. Says he wants to write a case on HtS without using meta, never does.

DYH on HtS:
Has the first case on her N1. Only does vote her after NM does so.

disformation on DYH:
was discussed already. If you still have questions, ask while I am still around.


The Shining on FF:
solid progression here, nothing to complain about imo.

NocturneMage on Trfel:
solid progression here, nothing to complain about imo.

DYH on me:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2015 07:55 DoYouHas wrote:
Screw it, I'm going to trust my initial instinct.

##Vote: Disformation

Shining, get on this wagon.

"Hey look let me throw away my vote and ask ppl currently voting my scumpartner to switch to that!"

LS on Fide86:
Well, he posted his case on Fidei86. Still threw his vote away.

disformation on FF:
was already discussed.


DoYouHas on Rels:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2015 13:57 DoYouHas wrote:
Look at night kills:

Damdred- Read as townie by majority of players, killed when he has few scumreads or pushes going.
Palmar- Difficult lynch, killed before he starts really solving the game
Trfel- Essentially confirmed town, no reads going into the day

The common thread for every kill has been someone who would be difficult to lynch but could also come at the game with a new perspective. This implies that scum is less threatened by the current sentiment of the thread and more worried about an unknown element coming in and screwing things up.

The person that fits this mentality the best atm is Rels. There is the added benefit that Trfel was also one of the most likely among us to suspect and push Rels.

It is a bit WIFOM, but adding the fact that disfo hammered ff to the fact that Shining is still with us, my money is on Rels flipping scum over disfo.

##Vote: Rels

"Hey I found some wifom on one of the guys trying to lynch me all game."

NM on Rels:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2015 07:40 NocturneMage wrote:
and trying to pick back up on Rels' filter as well.

I'm honestly grappling here. There is nothing right now that is screaming mafia about DYH. I really feel the case being made against him is 50/50 at best. I tried lining all shit up, I tried isolating his case against hts, like I said time and again there's an equal possibility he could have pushed the Dani lynch on his own. there are certain elements of her play that could have allowed him to do this.

my other hesistancy is that the points being made is that ff is the one making the points and dyh never got to him for all I could tell. like I thought and thought, I mean I could honestly see this go either way. ff can spout off whatever.

scum have a general generic tendency to fall off but this, dyh just seems like someone who is damned busy to play.

the only thing that jumps at me is voting disformation in the event that disformation is town but that's unflipped association.

Show nested quote +
On December 12 2015 07:55 NocturneMage wrote:
I'm going to go ahead and give final reads then if I'm getting lynched.

I am thinking Shining is town.
My gut is saying that DYH is town. I broke the guy's filter sideways. Rels' case against him is 50/50 at best.

disformation is probably playing suboptimal as fuck but my caution on him is that I can't follow his train of thought easily.

Rels is scaring me. I don't understand this overexplanation shit, and I'm starting to fear the push on what I think is a 50/50 case.

And I am agreed with Fidei.....I fucking hate LS's play.

If you sleep on him and if LS is mafia I am going to lose my fucking shit in the postgame.

"That guy is totally 50/50. let us lynch him!"

The Shining on Rels:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2015 06:16 The Shining wrote:
Actually Rels tried to get people onto Trfel at :59 and voted him after FF got the lead. With a hasty rushed "Let's go Trfel"

After saying let's lynch DYH, he showed up 30 mins before deadline. He also said Trfel, FF and I all did the same thing. But he chose Trfel to push.

After being willing to sheep me on Disfo today but now he's back to sheeping Disfo on DYH.

Says voting FF is a possibility but pure yolo. But dude voted Trfel.

He also made a post before that one saying FF could be scum and if that's the case, likely partner is DYH. TMI? This was before FF was the lynch. But he voted Trfel over FF, while thinking FF could be scum. If FF could be scum, why did he vote Trfel? And why call it a yolo move if he thought he could be scum?

Trfel also voted Rels before he went on FF. Trfel is dead now. And I think I'm seeing what Trfel saw in Rels filter. I'm pretty sure I'm voting Rels.

Fair enough.



So even if you don't believe DYH bussed HtS like this. Look at his other votes.


lol I love how sometimes you talk to me like I'm confirmed town and try to convince me you're town and other times, you make posts like these trying to find mafia motivation behind everything I do.

The point I put out regarding HtS, since you asked, was her weird way of shifting the Kush lynch blame onto me. "Shining, done." Like she knew it was going to be a mislynch and wanted to shift blame on me if she was under suspicion for it. I found it very strange, especially for someone who hadn't given me a truly solid townread or town vibes.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
December 14 2015 19:22 GMT
#2530
Also, the same logic for why LS can't be scum applies to DYH, vote logic-wise. Both were outlier voters. DYH made his vote on Disfo a couple of minutes before EoD, iirc. If either one is scum, they either hammer FF for town cred or vote to save him. Staying off those wagons is pretty town indicative, imo.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
December 14 2015 19:33 GMT
#2532
I also take responsibility for this but DYH wanted to vote Disfo over Rels early last day phase. However, myself and a lot of the thread let off Disfo for what seemed to be weak reasons even after I cased him. Just because he hammered FF. Looking at DYH's progression on Disfo seems like it isn't exclusively a scum progression. He townleaned Disfo, he made a few other posts and then HtS flipped red. After the HtS flip, he looked at her filter and made that pretty good analysis post about her lists and Disfo. I actually agreed with that analysis and it was part of my case. HtS interactions with Disfo felt weid and flat compared to everyone else on her lynch/scumlists.

As for him voting Rels, so did I. =/ And I've had Disfo scum since December 3rd...but again, I think everyone was thrown off by the FF vote and gave him too much cred for it, which from a scum perspective would be exactly what Disfo was aiming for. The Rels post RE: DYH was pretty WIFOMy but like NM said, he's not WIFOMing all game and it wasn't the worst point to make. It got town Rels lynched and I do feel bad about that but it's easy to get lost in WIFOM, especially as town.

Disfo has been scumming/pushing DYH for idk how long but every time it actually comes down to it, his posts are more concerned with proving he's town or finding possible scum motivations between things other people do. LS, NM, myself. He's done it to all of us at least once, even though he's been scumreading DYH for ages. We only have 1 scum left. Wouldn't the town perspective be to just gun down the last scumread he has? Especially if he's been reading him scum for like, forever?
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
December 14 2015 19:37 GMT
#2534
On December 15 2015 04:33 NocturneMage wrote:
I think my vote is in a good place based on the most likely motives and evidence at hand.

If for some reason disformation flips green then I'm probably making between Shining and DYH in mylo assuming we are all alive, and probably looking at their relative pushes on a town disformation because scum clearly needed what will have been a mislynch and it has appeared quite easiest to get it.

But disformation will need to flip before we go this direction.


LoL in a world where Disfo flips green, I don't think NM/Shining/DYH end up in Final 3. That implies an LS NK.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
December 14 2015 19:54 GMT
#2537
Mafia Win Condition: The mafia wins when they outnumber or equal the remaining townies or nothing can prevent that from happening. Each night, mafia must use 1 kp. KP is factional.

I don't think they have a choice.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
December 14 2015 22:55 GMT
#2557
DnD dragon thing
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
December 14 2015 23:03 GMT
#2578
Disfo did a really good job the last 12 hrs of fucking with my mind. That's why I tried to post less. I didn't want to wifom myself or anyone else and get off the lynch that I knew in my heart was my scumread.

YASSSSSSSSS. GG everyone. And man. I don't want to be cocky or a douche or anything but...the last couple of games, I've gotten a bit better at reads. I'm starting to really like rolling VT. =D
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
December 14 2015 23:05 GMT
#2579
All good DYH, I managed to TR you regardless, just had to reiterate it a few times XD

Yeaaahhhhh sorry, I actually felt really bad about lynching you, Rels. Glad I could at least bring the win home <3
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
December 14 2015 23:06 GMT
#2582
On December 15 2015 08:03 Blazinghand wrote:
you played fine, disformation-- it was just a tough situation, and getting to 5-1 on your own like that is not easy. You should feel good


Also, this. You were IMO NEVER clear clear scum. Just a good read I had over a few things. And this was your first scum game, which is damn impressive, looking at your filter. 10/10 would roll scum with you.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
December 14 2015 23:08 GMT
#2585
On December 15 2015 08:05 DoYouHas wrote:
I'm really happy I made 2 correct cases here. Unhappy that I wasn't confident enough to push them like I should have.


Low activity aside, your cases, analysis, attitudes and the reads I shared with you were what helped me TR you. Things like trying to get me back into the game, going back and grabbing Damdreds reads, even though I scummed Disfo early you went and did the HtS filter analysis which I thought was spot on. I'm just glad you weren't lynched
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
December 14 2015 23:20 GMT
#2606
On December 15 2015 08:13 disformation wrote:
Ah, I kinda was in love with my nk's though.
In hindsight I should have shot TS N2 instead of Palmar, if I knew he would be so on point later.
Will shoot TS early next time.


Lmao I never got shot. I hope it stays that way. I'm usually always wrong until D2-3 XD
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
December 14 2015 23:26 GMT
#2612
Mannnn. I just read the scum QT. Disfo, I still love ya, mate. Idk why but I'm feeling kinda bad now XD
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
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