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Tictock
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Looks like I have to pick up a few extra hours tomorrow due to somebody calling off, so I wont have as much time as I thought I would leading up to EoD. Pretty much means I have the next couple hours to put in time and then I may not be around much besides some mobile posts till ~1hr before deadline. I'll try and sneak in some time before I head into that shift though. | ||
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Tictock
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So GB jumped in a little late to the party and starts reacting to the FF discussion and throws out his early reads. First thing that jumps out to me is his read on SL. On November 25 2015 11:30 GlowingBear wrote: Cool, some weak early reads: Koshi looks townie for his tone. Especially when he makes the post of the town pyramid and the following one. Chrom looks townie for thinking critically about the game. SL looks scummy for this hard push on FF on a matter that isn't really alignment indicative. Tictock looks scummy for commenting that SL may have a point but concluding that FF's thing isn't alignment indicative. If SL does have a point then it is alignment indicative. If it isn't alignment indicative, SL doesn't have a point. Therefore you just look you're posting to look contributive while actually being fluffy and pushing the matter nowhere This read doesn't add up to me. First off, SL is far from hard pushing FF. He stated his opinion that FF outing his smurf seems scummy. SL never even voted for FF until MUCH later in the day. So how is talking about something that seems scummy to him a "hard push"? Especially given this was like ~2hrs into the day and was literally the only thing to happen in that time. Then there's the lack of discussion regarding FF there. GB doesn't explain why FF's smurf is NAI, just says SL is scum for pushing it. I don't want to get too much into the read on me, but it's wierd how GB focuses so much on the fact that I stated "SL has a point" even though my post concluded that the smurf thing was not going to help us figure out his alignment (or as I worded it in that post everyone loves to push, "thing was slightly suspect, but probably NAI). So kinda weird that GB and I had the same conclusion but he pushes the semantics of what I posted. Moving on. + Show Spoiler [NAI, but I felt like talking about it] + I still feel a little odd about how GB both engages in the conversation about D3 and then pushes people to stop OT discussion and respond to his reads. This point prob wont mean much to most of you, but to me the "herding in" aspect was unnecessary as the game wasn't really very OT. Yea keeping the game on topic and moving forward is good for town and thus is a towny trait, but here I feel like it was an easy thing for scum to post to look like they care getting people to focus on your own content. I suppose that means this point is actually NAI, but I got weird vibes from it. This post was much later on, but had the same feel to me. On November 26 2015 00:45 GlowingBear wrote: ohai, excuse me, is there a game going on here? Posted after GB had made a few posts over an hour with no response. We get it GB, you need more attention. Chrome posts some stuff about OO, and GB suggests it's good enough for him to follow but... On November 25 2015 13:19 GlowingBear wrote: Hmm, I'll place my vote on Tictock because I prefer it for now, but I can follow that read of yours, Chrom After that GB makes a few posts asking people to consider the cases on myself and OO, in fact for the middle part of D1 it looks like these are his preffered lynches (though he never actually suggests lynching OO, or even really reading OO himself, just agreed with Chroms read). Marv starts being more active and GB questions him, interacts, and seems to be cool with Marv. On November 26 2015 02:19 GlowingBear wrote: In late game he is pretty obvious when he is mafia (usually) and if he is town his existence is always a threat to mafia. Which means I don't have to worry Untill On November 26 2015 12:51 GlowingBear wrote: This post bothers me. Simply because Marv answered the question right away but wasn't willing to answer me when I asked about a guy that is the main wagon. In other words, Marv has no opinion on the main wagon and isn't willing to talk about it but is okay to talk about anybody else and expand on it even to just say that he doesn't know This is when things start looking strange to me and I start to loose GB's read progression. Of Note: The only reads GB has posted at this point (this was after I had returned to the game ~10hrs before EoD) was his original set included in this post. On November 27 2015 01:11 GlowingBear wrote: You know that sicklucker's argument on the early wagon isn't that strong because mafia could be just not trying to vote him and wait until town decides another lynch/bussing a team mate because he is AFK and there could be no way to save him. It's also possible that Tictock decided to be quiet to see if the lynch moves off of him and if it doesn't he just needs to come back to the thread and put some effort so people would be like "ok I'm not comfortable to lynch him anymore" and start another wagon (like what is happening right now). You may believe Tictock is town but not for that argument On November 27 2015 01:30 GlowingBear wrote: I don't dislike your case and I may vote Vivax if I can overcome my urge to see if I was right on Tictock GB has been pushing me all day, we also see that he was having some doubts about Marv as well. Yet when Marv is hard defending me and joins me in pushing Vivax, GB goes " Hey that's a good case! I wanna see if TT flips red still though" What happened to the suspicion on Marv? SL even pointed out much later that if GB is so sure that I'm scum then Marv defending me should only further his suspicions on Marv, but instead he just says me might be willing to join the two of us in lynching Vivax? Doesn't make any sense. Throwing this post in kus it's highly Ironic and relevant On November 27 2015 01:39 GlowingBear wrote: Why this has to come from a town sicklucker? In other words, mafia!sicklucker can't do that? Because I think it's too easy to come up with a theory and don't reevaluate it and refuse to talk about anything else as Mafia Pretty much sums up what GB has been doing with me all game, huh? Back to the lynch. Here we see GB isn't totally sure about me, but is still fairly convinced I'm scum, also still considering a Vivax lynch. On November 27 2015 02:04 GlowingBear wrote: Here is my problem: I don't trust your explanation for your early post. I really think that post was way too scummy. On the other hand, I like that you gave your thoughts on players. On the other other hand (I may have three), some of them looked to me like you were try harding just to look contributive and save yourself, like your obvious one thing. You talked about him like he was being the second wagon but he is only being voted by Chrom. It felt like unnecessary to me. So your contributions sound to me like it could be coming from both alignments. In other words, I see one townie trait on you (the fact that you are contributing)/ NAI posts (your contributions per se)/ and a scummy trait on you (that post) Plus: you being AFK and coming just now and xontributing just now fits mafis strategy that I've used before. I'm just trying to decide if this is wifom and if I'm tunneled on you for no reason. I liked the entire case on Vivax. Not being contrivutive and that contradiction marv pointed out. I'm waiting for Vivax to reply This is when GB switched from me to Vivax. On November 27 2015 02:20 GlowingBear wrote: Yeah, I get what you say, but... you also understand what I'm talking about, right? It would be more townie if he came back earlier... Ok marv, you're right, I shouldn't be lynching someone who is at least contributing. Sorry, more stuff about GB and off topic posts. + Show Spoiler + Just seems fairly ironic to me that the guy who multiple times told people to get back to the game throws out this series of posts ~4hrs before EoD On November 27 2015 02:41 GlowingBear wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/iWBt3Zi.gif) On November 27 2015 02:47 GlowingBear wrote: I've always thought you looked like an young Rob Halford GB spends some time interacting with Vivax and after leaving and coming back decides Vivax is town and returns his vote to me, he also responds to Koshi who asks why not Chrom. On November 27 2015 05:53 GlowingBear wrote: Ok I think you're town ##Unvote ##Vote: Tictock On November 27 2015 05:56 GlowingBear wrote: Because I want to be right. btw, nice ninja vote boxerfred Which is a super shit reason, especially when he moved off me because he agreed with Marv that lynching someone who was contributing was bad. At this point I have to wonder, why not go back to OO (who GB seemed fine talking about lynching before) or his other scum read SL? He does post this, On November 27 2015 06:01 GlowingBear wrote: Koshi, he was the leading wagon the whole day1, he came back 10 hours from the deadline and made a lot of posts on people withoht a clear direction, he even threw suspicions on me and chrom but decided to vote AFK Vivax (easiest target possible after Onegu). Now that Vivax wagon is rolling, he's been silent about everyone but is here defending himself. Defending HIMSELF, not pushing his lynch. He is mafia But I would really like GB to back that post up if he can. Where was I only defending myself? I recall talking to Vivax a decent bit, and since all he wanted to do was push me I was naturally defending myself. Being a holiday in the states I was getting busier and busier as we got to EoD, so pushing my activity was pretty meh. Ehh I could say more, but I'm ironically starting to just defend myself here... On November 27 2015 06:34 GlowingBear wrote: It's not. If you're certain he is mafia, you should vote Tictock This post makes no sense. Why should he vote me if he's sure Chrom is mafia? GB posts pretty much the same thing to FF. On November 27 2015 06:47 GlowingBear wrote: At least hammer Tictock first since if chrom is mafia you can associate him with Tictock and Vivax is probably town. Then more of this. On November 27 2015 06:50 GlowingBear wrote: YOU HAVE AN OPTION You either sheep marv Or you sheep GB! Think of it! Who is the player you want to sheep??? Nevermind this is probably working against me. Lynch Tictock. I wanna be right! And thats pretty much all of GB's filter till EoD, besides him raging a little at Koshi for voting with Chrom at the last min. Here is where I will acknowledge the point that Chrom made, why would scum!GB be pushing this hard and staying this active through EoD? To be honest, I'm not sure. However I do know that GB is a fairly capable scum player and is definitely capable of playing an active game. From my point of view I know both of the D1 wagons were town and scum really didn't need to push one town over the other. That means it was definitely the easy play for scum to sit by the sidelines and just cherry pick which wagon and when to join. That doesn't mean that's what Scum did though, especially when as scum you could push one of the wagons pretty hard and still come off looking ok even if that wagon goes through and your target is proven town. In fact while sitting around waiting is the easy play, isn't participating and trying to drive a largely uncoordinated town the smarter play? So while it is true that GB's activity and his hard push on me are towny traits it doesn't outweigh the other stuff, at least not for me. Almost done! Sorry this is a giant post. After EoD GB has been pretty stuck on lynching me still. On November 27 2015 07:03 GlowingBear wrote: Tomorrow we lynch Tictock Then we lynch Koshi Then we lynch SL That's all Which is w/e, but it's posts like this that I really don't like. On November 27 2015 07:07 GlowingBear wrote: Give me my lynch tomorrow and we are fine No longer pushing why I am mafia, just more of the "I wanna be right" crap. Also more associative reads. On November 27 2015 21:29 GlowingBear wrote: Koshi, the boxerfred in here is playing very differently from the last he was mafia. Could be intentionally but it indicates he is probably town here Scott could be Mafia but his IRL excuses are usually true and he AFKs like this Snow can only be mafia if TT isn't That's all On November 27 2015 21:31 GlowingBear wrote: If TT flips red, I will have a bad time believing this On November 27 2015 21:51 GlowingBear wrote: Do you have a specific reason or just an overall tone? I can't push this unless TT flips red, anyways. (this post is from much later) On November 28 2015 06:03 GlowingBear wrote: That's exactly why marv is number one. I'm disregarding any unflipped association. Right, course you are... Then finally before the end of night we get more reads from GB. On November 28 2015 00:04 GlowingBear wrote: If I had to make a list of where I'm at without the WIFOM that often times come to haunt me, from towniest to scummiest: marvellosity Sn0_Man Chromatically ANickelDrink Koshi ObviousOne boxerfred scott31337 Onegu sicklucker TicTock This is how bad we are at the moment, because I had a hard time organising the nulls. And when I've been suspicious of Koshi but think that he has sufficient townie traits to put him closer to the town side, you know the game is looking pretty bad. Which is honestly a god awful list for the most part. His hard townread on Marv makes no sense when you consider what I was mentioning earlier about his early doubts on Marv and the fact that Marv keeps hard defending GB's main scumread. The townread on Sn0 is a joke: On November 28 2015 06:04 GlowingBear wrote: Sn0 voted you with me. He could've just piled on Vivax. Instead he followed his play. It's a weak townread tho, I must admit. Maybe he is just the highest null and not a town read This doesn't mean much at all if I'm in fact town here now does it? Koshi went from being 2nd most scum to 4th town? And of course his scum reads have stayed the same since ~4 hrs into the game. There's a couple pages left in GB's filter, but I'll spare you all kus this is already a massive ass post. Based on all this I think there is a very strong chance that GB is scum here. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On November 29 2015 07:33 ANickelDrink wrote: Did only koshi and chrome play my pretend vigi game? That's no fun at all I guess I missed this. Last night I prob woulda shot Sn0. Tonight, would probably be one of Onegu, Scott, or BF, probably Onegu kus he's been around but only posts promised to read or do shit and never does. | ||
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Tictock
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You can all just read his filter himself ya? It's pretty short, pg 1 is mostly from pregame. Here is what I posted earlier from before EoD, it's all still valid just add in how uninvested he was during EoD On November 26 2015 18:14 Tictock wrote: Sn0 I think has a strong chance of flipping mafia here as well. He throws out multiple suggestions to lynch a few different people right off the bat, but other than requoting his post about SL doesn't really push any of it. Hops on my wagon with no imput, then makes this post Which is wierd, because he claims that his vote on me is to get a better read, but he has no read on me that I've seen. Really just seems like he has experience with SL and is more comfortable pushing an unknown person. I'm also quite interested in the fact that nobody who called out my post early on commented on this one. + Show Spoiler [Compare] + On November 25 2015 09:04 Tictock wrote: Hmm? You might have a point here, especially revealing so early before he could even see the affects of smurfing. FF tends to play fairly lazily the first few days and picks it up later. Maybe he rolled mafia and was worried people would push him early on? Course all of this is assuming it's actually FF and not someone trying to mind game us early... that's pretty tinfoily though and would be a pretty silly play. Gunna put this down as slightly suspect but possibly NAI for now. Seems to me like this post from Sn0 is even more wordy, and goes absolutely nowhere besides saying he's ok waiting to see if Marv does some work. But then later suggests he's unsure about his ability to read Marv Nowhere in his filter do I see a real read from Sn0, just a few suggestions that he's willing to lynch people, but only to "develop reads" | ||
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Tictock
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On November 29 2015 09:12 ANickelDrink wrote: Your stuff on GB is really on point actually. His EoD and his bartering lynches really gave me a bad feeling. From what you're saying a glowingbear flip would be really telling. It would basicaly make me think you and sn0 are both town based on how he is so adamant about you both being opposite alignments. He dismissal of chrome while saying it has merit is weird too. Makes me want to look at OO again but I'm not sure he's done a whole lot since I last looked. TT, why would you not use your pretend gun on GB since you have so much dirt on him? Kus I might preffer to lynch him over Sn0 atm, or at least he's my top choice for shenannies. Also, we need to do something with those 3 inactives eventually. If they are all town they are making this game that much harder, and god forbid we get to mylo or lylo with more than one of them. Theres not a terrible chnace that Onegu or Scott are mafia pulling the afk game. Kinda doubt we'd see that from BF, but I've only seen his scum play once so who knows. | ||
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Tictock
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Wanted to see some reactions from him... | ||
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Tictock
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Bleh. Well I think thats about all from me for a bit. Pretty open to lynching either of GB or Sn0. Like I said I'll be around for EoD, but maybe not much till then. I should be able to at least stay caught up reading at work. | ||
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Tictock
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Point 4 in OO's post on Chrom was super weak, the rest of it felt decent. I actually approve of the point about not considering town modivations, but thats an easy thing for town to overlook too when they get on a train of thought (aka tunneling). I wouldn't call Chroms response blowing it out of the water, but it was a solid response post. Idk, I kinda think both OO and Chrome are town, OO is the guy I'm less sure about though. | ||
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Tictock
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Humm, I'll ponder while at work. | ||
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Tictock
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On November 29 2015 23:34 Onegu wrote: This started on shit days for americans. We just had a big holiday and then alot of people will go shopping this weekend because of the deals. And weekends are always slow. Yes, I know. Did holiday stuff myself and been working. Still been here doing stuff. You just gunna waste a vote on Koshi again Onegu? This game has been going on almost a week now and you've only managed one post that isn't promises and excuses. | ||
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Tictock
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On November 30 2015 00:58 sicklucker wrote: Well we def lynch sno if he does not post today Agreed. Starting to really wish we had a vig or something to resolve all these dead slots. Anyways Not much more to add until more people post/vote. GB did you not have any reaction to my mega posts? I notice you drunkenly dropped your scum read on me. | ||
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Tictock
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On November 30 2015 01:02 Onegu wrote: I said it was a placeholder. I am on page 22 reading and catching up. While playing dota. So you're still at the same place you were when you last said you were 30 pages behind, and your splitting your focus. Got it. + Show Spoiler + Don't expect jack all | ||
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Tictock
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On November 30 2015 01:14 GlowingBear wrote: Yeah i usually don't scum read anyone when they put effort That was my drunken self tbh. But I surely think you could be town right now ... Can't dig up posts atm, but your tune was very different last EoD. So then, who do you think is the best lynch today? | ||
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Tictock
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On November 30 2015 03:17 GlowingBear wrote: Why does my tone matter? I'm thinking about what marv said about SL so I'm stepping back, and I think you look fair enough today to guarantee a lynch. So I'm just sticking with what I find a good read made by someone I town read. So yeah, OO What? And I said tune, not tone. As in you were pushing me last phase kus I was "over-contributing" saying it was mafia indicative. Yet you've never really responded to any of the content of my posts. | ||
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Tictock
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On November 30 2015 03:39 Chromatically wrote: What about it felt decent? I can try to break down what I'm saying more if it helps. I agree point one is the least weak of them all, but 2-5 are super weak at best and straight up misrepresentations at worst. Its more like I can see a town mindset behind that post by OO, though I should look at it again a little closer when I get home. You've already addressed his points quite well. | ||
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Tictock
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Nothing from Sn0 is convincing me he is town, but something about how afk and dead this game has been today kinda makes me think mafia doesn't care if he gets lynched. So, lets lynch GB! ##Vote: GlowingBear | ||
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Tictock
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D1 he puts in effort, makes reads pushes them, etc. Today, almost nothing of substance. I'm also wondering why he's been silent about Sn0 getting lynched when he put Sn0 as his #2 town... I'm really not seeing him being town here. | ||
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Tictock
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On November 30 2015 05:38 sicklucker wrote: i dont think lyncing gb here is the play even tho hes mafia. I dont want to be talking to a wall for the next 2 weeks What? Explain | ||
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Tictock
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On November 30 2015 05:37 Tictock wrote: Nothing from Sn0 is convincing me he is town, but something about how afk and dead this game has been today kinda makes me think mafia doesn't care if he gets lynched. The same logic applies to OO here I think. Nobody seems to be bothered by him being pushed (besides me saying I think he could be town). Ehh, almost forgot that Onegu is voting Chrom kus he doesn't like the push on OO... humm | ||
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