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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2015 05:39 GMT
#647
ehh... and Xatalos too.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2015 06:10 GMT
#648
kitaman here is my problem with you atm. You don't actually have a stance on anything until it becomes / when it is "relevant". In hindsight that looks "good" since you are discussing important topics in the game. But if you are scum you only need to include yourself into the team and you can easily call the other two people town and "look good", and when there is an all town team you only have to cast doubt on one player and again -- you can easily call the other two people town.

So here is what i see has happened:
- HtS nominates herself/rayn/Superbia
- you become anti-super, as you yourself put it
- HtS wants to swap Superbia to Xatalos
- you become "anti-Xatalos", and not only that, you even say "maybe i judged Superbia too harsly early on"......

The problem here is that it seems almost too convenient, the topics you discuss. You never really discuss HtS (which is understandable as she is the leader -- and you want yourself into the team). You never really discuss me, just call me town (which makes sense since you couldn't call me scum anyways if you're scum).

So basically, if you are scum here, you take the only possible route you can -- or rather, the route that gives you the best chance of getting scum into the team (if we assume HtS is town here -- and i find it almost impossible you two are scum together). Not only that, you don't actually have any reads, which is kinda funny since you call Xatalos out for that exact reason (when Xatalos actually DOES have reads -- you don't). You have called me town, i assume you think HtS is town, and Superbia and Xatalos are "not trustworthy enough". Isn't it a bit hypocritical to entertain a scenario where Xatalos is not town - or cast doubt on him - for "not giving reads" when you yourself haven't really given any reads?

This is exactly what i was talking about and this is basically how i usually find scum in Resistance (players who are good). People who don't talk about the game as whole, and only focus on "important" parts on the game -- the team in question. It's really easy to "look townie" if you only have to "prove" you are town, and two townies are town, rofl.

There is also this problem where if all the townies play like this the town will never get a team through. Three townies are not going on the first mission anyways, and what i see here is the characteristics of "i am a better pick than this guy, but i don't really even call him scum, nevertheless this team is not good". So, here is what i want from you;

Detailed reads on everyone, thanks.
Let's see where you stand for real.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2015 08:50 GMT
#654
On November 03 2015 16:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2015 07:50 Half the Sky wrote:
One more question for you Artanis.

You initially had me as a town lean with my first wave of proposals.

Why is the fear read coming up only now?

A decent part of it is the fact that I had two scumreads then and not quite as many townreads. Also the weak suspicion on me is eh when you know I don't have much time at the moment. (honestly I probably shouldn't have signed up for the game to begin with >>)

Rayn, why is Rels scum? Also, do you have a read on me yet?

I am not sure if he is scum. But he doesn't look too good atm. It basically has to do with his original read on me. I just can't let go of "here is my meta-read on you, i don't even know what i am talking about". Then he back off and says "i have already accepted you are town", but apparently i wasn't town after all (as he says now). I have really hard time figuring out WHAT his read on me is and WHY.

I have a slight town-lean on you, although i would like to know why do you think kitaman is town. I don't really see anything townie in his play -- in fact i am much more inclined to think it comes from scum.

On November 03 2015 16:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Oh also I think it's very unlikely Shockey and Rels are scum together with the exchange they had earlier.

c'mon, you know how this game works. It's not.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2015 08:51 GMT
#656
On November 03 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2015 14:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 03 2015 01:01 Rels wrote:
On November 02 2015 23:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Rels why do you actually think i am town?

I'm not sure you are. You're attacking people over small logical things and you are thinking about the game as a whole; that is town indicative, but I know you can replicate that as town; at least that what you and several other people claimed before.

So why did you actually change my read in the first place?
That is what i have been doing all game long, playing to my town meta.

Why did you go from sure scum to sure town? And now not so sure town?

I'm pretty sure it's clear from my filter. If it's not, then it's not.

yeah it is not.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2015 08:58 GMT
#661
Rels i have answered your question already and yes, it's not impossible.

You too, reads list please. Your reads fly around too much based on what the team in question is.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2015 09:02 GMT
#665
On November 03 2015 17:57 sicklucker wrote:
Can someone explain to me what this means?

The leader nomination order is:

1. Half the Sky
2. Xatalos
3. Artanis[Xp]
4. raynpelikoneet
5. ShoCkeyy
6. Rels
7. sicklucker
8. kitaman27
9. Superbia

Yes this is the pre-game randomed order of leaders.
On November 03 2015 17:58 sicklucker wrote:
So hts nominated a team or something? now we vote it or is it set for sure?

obv my first game but I thought we voted for who chose the team

HtS picks a team, we vote yes/no to her team.
If the majority of players vote yes, then the team goes on to the mission.
If the majority votes no, then the next leader in line has 24h to propose a team.
That goes on as long as the team gets a majority of yes' (the fifth team, however, is automatically accepted if four teams get no-voted consecutively).

When a team goes to a mission, we get to know if the mission passed, or if it was sabotaged.

After that we move to mission 2. The next leader in line proposes a team.
And so on, so on.
After Superbia has proposed his team - the leader order moves back to HtS.

That goes on as long as town/scum have three wins.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2015 09:03 GMT
#666
On November 03 2015 18:01 Rels wrote:
kita and Shockey are probably town.

This is probably the dumbest shit i have heard in this game.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2015 09:12 GMT
#673
On November 03 2015 00:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2015 00:15 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 03 2015 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 03 2015 00:12 Xatalos wrote:
On November 03 2015 00:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 03 2015 00:07 Xatalos wrote:
On November 03 2015 00:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Did anyone actually look at the game and why i got mad there?


Yeah you messed up the vote timing I think? Well, you basically lost because of it, so I can understand getting angry in that situation.

yep, completely the same thing than getting mad at someone's terrible argument, right?


Haha... Btw is there some real difference in rayn's ragefests between alignments? Maybe he gets angry a bit easier as town? I don't think he even got really MAD in the VS game, compared to the Vanilla game.

Probably not. I don't actually fake emotion as mafia.


Do you find Rels would be so antagonistic against you, the person pushing discussion in the thread, on day one as spy? Making firm conclusions like "rayn leaving the thread as soon as he's being pushed is scum indicative. Please don't include him in a team.".

Definitely could be the case given how the last game with Xatalos went.

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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2015 09:14 GMT
#674
I am never going to townread anyone who townreads ShoCkeyy.
I have seen enough and if he is not scum then he is just playing one of the most terrible games i have ever seen in town history.

So there is that.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2015 09:22 GMT
#679
HTS and Superbia are probably spies.

This is almost impossible aswell.

You really think, like really think, that ShoCkeyy is more likely to be town then i am or Xatalos is?
I cannot believe that sorry.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2015 09:23 GMT
#680
On November 03 2015 18:21 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2015 18:16 Rels wrote:
On November 03 2015 18:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 03 2015 00:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 03 2015 00:15 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 03 2015 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 03 2015 00:12 Xatalos wrote:
On November 03 2015 00:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 03 2015 00:07 Xatalos wrote:
On November 03 2015 00:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Did anyone actually look at the game and why i got mad there?


Yeah you messed up the vote timing I think? Well, you basically lost because of it, so I can understand getting angry in that situation.

yep, completely the same thing than getting mad at someone's terrible argument, right?


Haha... Btw is there some real difference in rayn's ragefests between alignments? Maybe he gets angry a bit easier as town? I don't think he even got really MAD in the VS game, compared to the Vanilla game.

Probably not. I don't actually fake emotion as mafia.


Do you find Rels would be so antagonistic against you, the person pushing discussion in the thread, on day one as spy? Making firm conclusions like "rayn leaving the thread as soon as he's being pushed is scum indicative. Please don't include him in a team.".

Definitely could be the case given how the last game with Xatalos went.


That was before the question ... so you really meant that. You know how I play as scum; I wouldn't try to win by making you ragequit / modkilled / whatever, 'cause that wouldn't be a win.

This bothers me very much rayn. How could you think that. You scumread me (partly) for "Rels scumreads me for a dumb meta reason". You know what; I think this is a very dumb meta reason (me trying to make you ragequit).

I have never called you mafia because of it.
I am saying you could do that as scum, as kitaman was basically arguing the other way around. I am not saying it makes you scum.

L2R.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2015 09:36 GMT
#683
On November 03 2015 18:26 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2015 18:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
HTS and Superbia are probably spies.

This is almost impossible aswell.

You really think, like really think, that ShoCkeyy is more likely to be town then i am or Xatalos is?
I cannot believe that sorry.

Yes. I really think that. You can guess I really think that because I wrote it in my list post.
Xatalos is not looking for scums.
You sound emotionless.
That's my problem with you two. If you're town, I hope you're OK.

Here we go again. Every single time i try to play "better" and be as reasonable towards everyone in the game i get this bullshit scumread of being emotionless. Guess i need to just yell "fuck you you piece of shit" to everyone in every game. Fucking weak Rels, fucking weak.

Tell me this, who are kitaman's scumreads?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2015 09:47 GMT
#685
On November 03 2015 18:29 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2015 18:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 03 2015 18:21 Rels wrote:
On November 03 2015 18:16 Rels wrote:
On November 03 2015 18:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 03 2015 00:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 03 2015 00:15 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 03 2015 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 03 2015 00:12 Xatalos wrote:
On November 03 2015 00:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
[quote]
yep, completely the same thing than getting mad at someone's terrible argument, right?


Haha... Btw is there some real difference in rayn's ragefests between alignments? Maybe he gets angry a bit easier as town? I don't think he even got really MAD in the VS game, compared to the Vanilla game.

Probably not. I don't actually fake emotion as mafia.


Do you find Rels would be so antagonistic against you, the person pushing discussion in the thread, on day one as spy? Making firm conclusions like "rayn leaving the thread as soon as he's being pushed is scum indicative. Please don't include him in a team.".

Definitely could be the case given how the last game with Xatalos went.


That was before the question ... so you really meant that. You know how I play as scum; I wouldn't try to win by making you ragequit / modkilled / whatever, 'cause that wouldn't be a win.

This bothers me very much rayn. How could you think that. You scumread me (partly) for "Rels scumreads me for a dumb meta reason". You know what; I think this is a very dumb meta reason (me trying to make you ragequit).

I have never called you mafia because of it.
I am saying you could do that as scum, as kitaman was basically arguing the other way around. I am not saying it makes you scum.

L2R.

You cannot think that of my scum play. Calling me mafia or not for it, it doesn't matter; I wouldn't try to make you ragequit as scum.
On the other hand, I have no idea why the fuck kitaman would know anything from my scum play. Where did he say that ?

I don't doubt you are telling the truth here regardless of your alignment. I don't however know why you did what you did, as either alignment. I don't know what your motivation was if you are scum, probably not to try make me ragequit, but i don't know what your motivation as town was either, because you know i do not take being read as scum for flimsy reasons lightly.

I still don't know why your read on me evolves as it does. If you are unwilling to elaborate on it, than you are. First you call me scum. Then you call me town (because i do townie things). Then you call me not town (when i continue doing same townie things). The whole read on you has been meta all game because gameplay-wise you have basically called me scum, and/or should think i am scum, because i disagree with all of your reads. Still, at one point you call me town for meta, apparently the meta here is so hard it overrides the scummy stuff i did earlier, but now i am not that town anymore for same meta. It just doesn't make any sense.



Anyways, i believe we have 1 mafia in ShoCkeyy, and the rest 2 in kitaman/Rels/Superbia/HtS.
Certain combos are highly unlike to be true, and some are mroe likely than the others.
- ShoCkeyy - Superbia is quite likely, that would mean Rels is town.
- HtS - Superbia is very very unlikely, i'd say impossible
- Superbia - Rels are most likely not mafia together
- kitaman is most likely not scum with HtS

I am actually quite sure Artanis/SL are both town. Xatalos is confirmed town for me.

I am nay-voting this team.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2015 09:50 GMT
#686
wait, kitaman - superbia - shockeyy doesn't make any sense either.
So Superbia is most likely not in fact scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2015 09:55 GMT
#687
HtS - Rels - kitaman

HtS - kita [ ]
HtS - Rels [x]
kita - Rels [x]

On November 03 2015 18:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
wait, kitaman - superbia - shockeyy doesn't make any sense either.
So Superbia is most likely not in fact scum.

I actually take this back. It's not entirely impossible.

So my conclusion so far is that either Rels is scum or the team is kitaman - superbia - shockeyy.
If Rels is scum his & ShoCkeyy's partner is either HtS/kitaman.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2015 09:57 GMT
#688
@Rels;

I am willing to put up a team of Rels - kitaman - shockeyy under one condition;
If the team fails the mission none of you four goes to mission 2.

Agreed?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2015 09:57 GMT
#689
EBWOP; none of you three
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2015 10:01 GMT
#692
On November 03 2015 18:58 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2015 18:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
- HtS - Superbia is very very unlikely, i'd say impossible

Why ?

If you think HtS starts the game by hard-townreading her scumbuddy as the first thing in the game you are kinda out of your mind.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2015 10:01 GMT
#693
On November 03 2015 18:59 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2015 18:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
@Rels;

I am willing to put up a team of Rels - kitaman - shockeyy under one condition;
If the team fails the mission none of you four goes to mission 2.

Agreed?

Sure.

Okay let's do this.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2015 10:07 GMT
#696
Don't care, it's irrelevant. Noone is scumreading you for it.
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