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Why kita of all people :D
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On November 03 2015 01:20 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:11 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2015 01:08 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2015 01:01 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, HTS/rayn/Xata could work... HTS has seemed pretty focused on solving the game How do you differentiate HTS solving the game as town from HTS setting herself up as a likely nomination as spy by bringing along active players? Were there certain posts that you can point me to that suggest she is analyzing things from only a town perspective? Actually similar question for HTS regarding super. What about his play makes you think that he is town, rather than a mafia player who realizes the benefit of putting a player on the defensive early? Was there something in particular that stood out that was alignment indicative? Superbia putting players on the defensive from the off is something I've seen him do as town (reference newbie 9) he's done this to me out of nowhere and he's had out of the blue pushes as town to create discussion. When I first read it, it was NAI and then I saw his second post which to me was towny. And then that followup to this make complete sense, to me he came full circle and I saw the explanation for his change on his read whilst reading Xata's filter. I mean if he orchestrated this as mafia, then he's done a bloody good job of it. Also I felt the post you quoted on his breakdown was pretty town, and I argued the context of his argument put him in favour of being town, particularly with how he opened the game. With Superbia being out of the thread, if someone manages to "out-town" him I will certainly take that into account if I feel even more sure of someone else.
Hm....
Are you planning to go with the previous suggestion still? It doesn't seem too bad, but I think me being in it would improve the odds. How would you rank your top townreads in general?
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On November 03 2015 01:21 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:13 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 01:08 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2015 01:01 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, HTS/rayn/Xata could work... HTS has seemed pretty focused on solving the game How do you differentiate HTS solving the game as town from HTS setting herself up as a likely nomination as spy by bringing along active players? Were there certain posts that you can point me to that suggest she is analyzing things from only a town perspective? Well, she's clearly reading the thread and making original findings. Such as the way I inquired Superbia about his townread on me, or how you were making filler posts here and there.... She's also coming to pretty good conclusions from those findings. Hard to ask for more at this point. She's not clearly reading the thread. That's three things she misread, and three things about me too: 1 - TMI stuff (she thought I did it, when it was Superbia) 2 - Disagreeing on rayn (she thought I said rayn was scum, when I said he wouldn't ask dumb questions) 3 - Dumb questions (she asked me why I thought rayn wouldn't ask dumb questions, when I already stated he actually didn't)
I may have missed something, but why did you say he wouldn't ask dumb questions if you didn't mean he was scum for it?
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On November 03 2015 01:26 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:16 Rels wrote:Man HTS you're not reading properly. Are you on a phone ? First you messed up the TMI stuff, then this: On November 03 2015 01:00 Half the Sky wrote:On November 03 2015 00:56 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 23:27 Half the Sky wrote:On November 02 2015 23:21 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 23:12 Half the Sky wrote:On November 02 2015 23:01 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 22:56 Half the Sky wrote:On November 02 2015 18:19 Rels wrote:
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OK bro. I don't have townreads on anyone that posted. I don't have scumreads on them either. I have suspicions on Superbia, kita and you. This post seems somewhat contradictory (not the only post I'll comment on from Rels). Based on the sentences bolded you should in theory be scumleaning the three you listed. I'm also not clear on why you are scumreading rayn or what is jumping out at yoru scumread on rayn. I understand your argument for your initial exchange on Superbia/Xatalos is that Superbia's read on Xatalos was manufactured and I'm seeing your followup on page 16, but where was the suspicion on rayn coming from page 11? I thought this question was scummy: On November 02 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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That's interesting since there are five people who have posted something that can actually be at least considered as content. If you exclude yourself from the pool, that leaves you four people. Now for you, it is impossible that those four people are al scum -- there has to be at least one townie in them.
So what, do you think we are all scum or what? No. That is a dumb question. I'm pretty sure you were the one refusing the answer dumb questions like "are you mafia ?", maybe in the newbie game with noobking. Let me check that. On November 02 2015 22:56 Half the Sky wrote:
Also Rels, my post on shockey was because of him saying he's catching up, he hadn't posted jack all before that. It indicates that you read the thread, or at least the last few posts starting page 16, when you said you were stuck on page 12. Not sure it's alignement indicative but I have no idea why you would lie about that. I don't see how that made rayn scummy. He's coming to conclusions with his arguments and he's trying to see if you are coming to conclusions on people's alignments which is generally a town trait. And if you are struggling, why, townies can struggle with getting reads too (reference rsoultin in Drams) so naturally he's nitpicking to see your rationale. Mm maybe I didn't explain why I thought it was scummy. On November 02 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 02 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 17:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I take it that you don't have any townreads Rels? No. That's interesting since there are five people who have posted something that can actually be at least considered as content. If you exclude yourself from the pool, that leaves you four people. Now for you, it is impossible that those four people are al scum -- there has to be at least one townie in them. So what, do you think we are all scum or what? No. That is a dumb question. I'm pretty sure you were the one refusing the answer dumb questions like "are you mafia ?", maybe in the newbie game with noobking. Let me check that. Oh I actually did! The scummy isn't nitpicking specific points, which is something town!rayn always do; the problem was asking a dumb question, when I remembered him getting angry at the fact he was being ask a dumb question, so I don't know why he would do this himself. Now rayn quoted the angry post, and it was not really the same context. Admittedly I'm finding this tenuous but after reading a few times I think I am understanding your viewpoint, you are saying that rayn isn't acting consistently between games (correct?). I don't agree this makes him scum, but I can at least see this. My only thing here - "are you mafia?" he and others have done this (example: Koshi - "how mafia are you?") out of spite/emotion, and I'm not sure such types of questions can really be taken seriously nor most people who ask them don't really expect, those questions are out of emotion imo - how can people really answer? For example when Koshi does this he accompanies that question with something else to substantiate that emotion (reference: Void), rayn does the same thing except he splits his posts up (reference SOTW I believe). The reason I disagreed with the question being dumb because I saw the purposes and how he reached his conclusions from the questions asked. Am I making sense here? You are making sense. You are wrong concerning rayn. I don't see him asking dumb questions like that. In fact, he gets angry when he's being asked dumb questions. But I agree the "do you really have 4 scumreads ?" was more of an accusation that a dumb question. So you are saying that I'm wrong in my read on rayn (you are implying he's scum, correct?) No, I'm not implying he's scum in that post. I'm implying that he wouldn't ask a dumb question. I did it when I said "I don't see him asking dumb questions like that". On November 03 2015 01:00 Half the Sky wrote:
Why do you think his "are you mafia" is a serious (albeit dumb) question that should be taken serious and such a scumread - and why do you think this offsets the rest of his play (play that does not involve you)? I don't anymore. I did it when I said "But I agree the "do you really have 4 scumreads ?" was more of an accusation that a dumb question." (actually I did it before, but I restated it in the post you quoted) On November 03 2015 01:00 Half the Sky wrote:
Are you suggesting in any form that I should remove him from my team? I didn't suggest anything from the post above. But since you're asking, I would like you to elect Xatalos / kita / me. rayn instead of one of the three could be OK too. And since I suppose the next question will be "but you were suspicious of kita!", I liked his recent posts. How are any of these people more town than rayn? Right now as it stands, I'm almost certainly keeping rayn on, and there's no way I'm ever putting Kita on at this moment (not ever, but at this moment) particularly seeing what I see so far, namely where is he taking his questions? From what I can tell he doesn't like Superbia, last post indicates he's null on me and Xata but the difference I'm trying to resolve there is how Superbia is exclusively mafia. The inactives in this game are also making interchangability difficult and that is not even considering my RL situation today.
Well, I don't think Superbia's later posts were bad either. He somewhat decently explained his reason for the initial scumread on me and then townread me for a good reason too. I just don't think he's certainly town for those... It was still a bit weird how he went "do you really think this is a nightmare for scum?" "yeah, somewhat" "since you don't think so...". Not exclusively scummy like you said, and maybe I'm a bit biased because he did it to me, but... Well, he's certainly not 100% town still 
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On November 03 2015 01:30 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:26 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 01:21 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 01:13 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 01:08 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2015 01:01 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, HTS/rayn/Xata could work... HTS has seemed pretty focused on solving the game How do you differentiate HTS solving the game as town from HTS setting herself up as a likely nomination as spy by bringing along active players? Were there certain posts that you can point me to that suggest she is analyzing things from only a town perspective? Well, she's clearly reading the thread and making original findings. Such as the way I inquired Superbia about his townread on me, or how you were making filler posts here and there.... She's also coming to pretty good conclusions from those findings. Hard to ask for more at this point. She's not clearly reading the thread. That's three things she misread, and three things about me too: 1 - TMI stuff (she thought I did it, when it was Superbia) 2 - Disagreeing on rayn (she thought I said rayn was scum, when I said he wouldn't ask dumb questions) 3 - Dumb questions (she asked me why I thought rayn wouldn't ask dumb questions, when I already stated he actually didn't) I may have missed something, but why did you say he wouldn't ask dumb questions if you didn't mean he was scum for it? Time A: I thought rayn asked a dumb question. Time B: I don't think that anymore. Time C: HTS quoted a post where I cleary said I don't think that anymore, and asked me why rayn was scum for that. A => B => C obv.
I'm getting confused about the situation.... I guess I should go examine the posts in question lol
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Uh.... Rels, I think you could have expressed yourself more clearly there. I guess you stopped considering his questions dumb in that one post... And then started townreading him? It's a bit hard to follow how everything went for you.
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On November 03 2015 01:45 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:43 Xatalos wrote:
Uh.... Rels, I think you could have expressed yourself more clearly there. I guess you stopped considering his questions dumb in that one post... And then started townreading him? It's a bit hard to follow how everything went for you. Dunno, it's clear in my head. It was actually a few hours ago that I dropped this "dumb question" stuff, since this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497443-resistance-v-section-31?page=13#257
So that's the post where your stance changed?
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Oh nvm, that's what you just said
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On November 03 2015 01:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Someone talk to me. I'm lonely 
Do you really always play music when you practice capoeira? There were sometimes capoeira events next to us when we trained karate and it was always so loud >.>
More seriously though, what do you think of HtS's proposed team? I think it looks somewhat decent... Well, not as sure about Superbia yet, but rayn and HtS could well be town.
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On November 03 2015 01:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:51 Half the Sky wrote:On November 03 2015 01:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Someone talk to me. I'm lonely Where do you stand on people in general? Rels/xata/rayn townish, you leaning townish, kita and shockey leaning scummish, don't remember enough about super and sl.
You skipped my post? :/ What about Superbia..?
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Well, that sounds pretty good to me already (HtS/rayn/me). Does anyone have objections for HtS or rayn being in there?
Can't really think of a better alternative atm...
Not many players have done much to establish their innocence yet, so it's lucky there's only 3 players required for now.
Will probably vote against teams other than this, although I'm considering rayn/HtS/Superbia... But it still doesn't seem very good compared to the alternative.
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Well, really it's just inferior.
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Anti-super? I didn't really notice it >.>
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On November 03 2015 00:07 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 20:41 Superbia wrote:
2. It downplays scum.
2 is super weird from a town perspective, and leans me more towards mafia. Regardless I feel like commenting on how "weak" mafia is is mafia indicative as it sets up for a lax game. This seems like quite the over analysis for an intro one-liner. There doesn't have to be spy motivation in every post. Why conclude that he is somehow pushing an agenda where it benefits him to trick town into thinking the spies will get steam rolled. Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 20:41 Superbia wrote:
I feel like if you were town and believed this you would've focused on the strength of town, rather than the weakness of mafia, and as a result, would've said something along the lines of "mafia gonna get #rekt #noqt" (or something less trolly) Really a stretch here. More speculation without basis than anything.
Ah, I guess this counts....
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Still a pretty... unimpactful? push or whatever it was
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On November 03 2015 03:15 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I'm pretty much going to reject the xata/rayn combo wombo. I'd rather see the first team mentioned - hts,super,xata go through. At least if a sabotage happens, we definitely have a good chance of finding the mafia until the next mission.
Hm do you still scumread rayn? What's more, me&rayn? Anything else than rayn being angry and us "allying" in the thread?
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On November 03 2015 03:18 Half the Sky wrote:
.......annnddddddd that didn't bold for some reason on mobile.
##nominate: Xatalos, raynpelikoneet, Half the Sky
Hoping there'll be more to work with when I'm home. Until later lovelies...
Well, that seems fine. I think it's acceptable at least. Would be good to hear possible objections now rather than later.
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Well kita, you even quoted the reason for my focus... That finding town in this game might be more useful than finding scum. Of course figuring out the Spies is always useful, but it'll get easier with vote analysis and mission results, whereas here the main goal is to figure out who to send on a mission. At least in IRL Resistance we mostly focused on establishing "clear" or at least semi-clear town.
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I don't have problems with the current proposal, but if you do, feel free to voice them out during the voting.
I guess it wouldn't really hurt to consider it for a couple of cycles.
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What caused this dramatic shift on kita, HtS? I have to say I liked the previous team better... kita's recent posts were better than what he started with, but not even close enough to say he's "clear". His main point was that I was too focused on townreads... And I don't really see why that makes me suspicious when the main issue is to find town anyway...
He was actually your top scum before? How was this enough to change that?
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