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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 02 2015 15:03 GMT
#410
After your read on Xatalos, HtS, i would like you to explain how do you get where shockeyyy is coming from with his read.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 02 2015 15:08 GMT
#414
On November 03 2015 00:07 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2015 00:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Did anyone actually look at the game and why i got mad there?


Yeah you messed up the vote timing I think? Well, you basically lost because of it, so I can understand getting angry in that situation.

yep, completely the same thing than getting mad at someone's terrible argument, right?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 02 2015 15:13 GMT
#417
On November 03 2015 00:12 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2015 00:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 03 2015 00:07 Xatalos wrote:
On November 03 2015 00:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Did anyone actually look at the game and why i got mad there?


Yeah you messed up the vote timing I think? Well, you basically lost because of it, so I can understand getting angry in that situation.

yep, completely the same thing than getting mad at someone's terrible argument, right?


Haha... Btw is there some real difference in rayn's ragefests between alignments? Maybe he gets angry a bit easier as town? I don't think he even got really MAD in the VS game, compared to the Vanilla game.

Probably not. I don't actually fake emotion as mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 02 2015 15:16 GMT
#420
On November 03 2015 00:15 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2015 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 03 2015 00:12 Xatalos wrote:
On November 03 2015 00:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 03 2015 00:07 Xatalos wrote:
On November 03 2015 00:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Did anyone actually look at the game and why i got mad there?


Yeah you messed up the vote timing I think? Well, you basically lost because of it, so I can understand getting angry in that situation.

yep, completely the same thing than getting mad at someone's terrible argument, right?


Haha... Btw is there some real difference in rayn's ragefests between alignments? Maybe he gets angry a bit easier as town? I don't think he even got really MAD in the VS game, compared to the Vanilla game.

Probably not. I don't actually fake emotion as mafia.


Do you find Rels would be so antagonistic against you, the person pushing discussion in the thread, on day one as spy? Making firm conclusions like "rayn leaving the thread as soon as he's being pushed is scum indicative. Please don't include him in a team.".

Definitely could be the case given how the last game with Xatalos went.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 02 2015 15:17 GMT
#421
On November 03 2015 00:14 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2015 00:05 Xatalos wrote:
On November 02 2015 23:54 Half the Sky wrote:
Xatalos - because I haven't looked into you that closely. Aside from yourself, where else do you disagree, or do you? At least you agree on the other two to take.

And yes there are still too many nulls. Artanis has legit reasons (the ones he's cited are reasons he's discussed with me out of game and prior to this game starting) and I know sicklucker sleeps during the day and works at night. So I don't know if that will resolve at least before I fly home before deadline, or if that even happens.


Well, continue reading

Hm.. I'd maybe put Rels into the null pile. I think his explanations somewhat made sense, and he's actively doing stuff (even if he can be active as scum, it's still easier to be a little less active than that as scum). Otherwise it seemed generally okay. I don't think you ordered the reads within the groups?


No not really but if I had to Kita was more scummy than Rels, and rayn is more town if I am splitting hairs than Superbia. Nulls - SL/Artanis are policy lynch equivalent. At least Shockey is now trying to do something.

And rayn, quick response to your question as I read Xata's filter - my comments there were in reference to that Shockey is (meta) reading you off one game. The read isn't malicious (from what I can tell) but I pointed out that his tone is NAI and he assumed it to be so. It's wrong, I pointed out why it's wrong, but as we are discussing it, there is no malicious (mafia) intent. Still I feel I need more to see him more clear as town because that is the only substance I see from him now. Does that make sense?

Not really, no.
Because the read is purely based on bullshit and that is the only thing he has said, in a game where you are supposed to find townies over scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 02 2015 15:18 GMT
#423
On November 03 2015 00:17 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2015 00:14 Half the Sky wrote:
On November 03 2015 00:05 Xatalos wrote:
On November 02 2015 23:54 Half the Sky wrote:
Xatalos - because I haven't looked into you that closely. Aside from yourself, where else do you disagree, or do you? At least you agree on the other two to take.

And yes there are still too many nulls. Artanis has legit reasons (the ones he's cited are reasons he's discussed with me out of game and prior to this game starting) and I know sicklucker sleeps during the day and works at night. So I don't know if that will resolve at least before I fly home before deadline, or if that even happens.


Well, continue reading

Hm.. I'd maybe put Rels into the null pile. I think his explanations somewhat made sense, and he's actively doing stuff (even if he can be active as scum, it's still easier to be a little less active than that as scum). Otherwise it seemed generally okay. I don't think you ordered the reads within the groups?


No not really but if I had to Kita was more scummy than Rels, and rayn is more town if I am splitting hairs than Superbia. Nulls - SL/Artanis are policy lynch equivalent. At least Shockey is now trying to do something.

And rayn, quick response to your question as I read Xata's filter - my comments there were in reference to that Shockey is (meta) reading you off one game. The read isn't malicious (from what I can tell) but I pointed out that his tone is NAI and he assumed it to be so. It's wrong, I pointed out why it's wrong, but as we are discussing it, there is no malicious (mafia) intent. Still I feel I need more to see him more clear as town because that is the only substance I see from him now. Does that make sense?


Well, I can kind of agree with that. It didn't really even feel like a "malicious" twisting of rayn's meta, just wrong.

Do you really think that is the scummiest thing he can find in this thread at that point?
Like really?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 02 2015 15:22 GMT
#427
On November 03 2015 00:20 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2015 00:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 03 2015 00:17 Xatalos wrote:
On November 03 2015 00:14 Half the Sky wrote:
On November 03 2015 00:05 Xatalos wrote:
On November 02 2015 23:54 Half the Sky wrote:
Xatalos - because I haven't looked into you that closely. Aside from yourself, where else do you disagree, or do you? At least you agree on the other two to take.

And yes there are still too many nulls. Artanis has legit reasons (the ones he's cited are reasons he's discussed with me out of game and prior to this game starting) and I know sicklucker sleeps during the day and works at night. So I don't know if that will resolve at least before I fly home before deadline, or if that even happens.


Well, continue reading

Hm.. I'd maybe put Rels into the null pile. I think his explanations somewhat made sense, and he's actively doing stuff (even if he can be active as scum, it's still easier to be a little less active than that as scum). Otherwise it seemed generally okay. I don't think you ordered the reads within the groups?


No not really but if I had to Kita was more scummy than Rels, and rayn is more town if I am splitting hairs than Superbia. Nulls - SL/Artanis are policy lynch equivalent. At least Shockey is now trying to do something.

And rayn, quick response to your question as I read Xata's filter - my comments there were in reference to that Shockey is (meta) reading you off one game. The read isn't malicious (from what I can tell) but I pointed out that his tone is NAI and he assumed it to be so. It's wrong, I pointed out why it's wrong, but as we are discussing it, there is no malicious (mafia) intent. Still I feel I need more to see him more clear as town because that is the only substance I see from him now. Does that make sense?


Well, I can kind of agree with that. It didn't really even feel like a "malicious" twisting of rayn's meta, just wrong.

Do you really think that is the scummiest thing he can find in this thread at that point?
Like really?


Well, it reminded me a bit of my case on you last game (you similarly OMGUSing me both times)

Let's see what he comes up with now.

Again it is not OMGUS when i clearly point out why his case is scummy.
For you too:
"OMGUS stands for "Oh My God, You Suck (for voting for me)!". it is sometimes used as a shorthand to indicate that you are voting for someone primarily because they voted for you."

which is literally here, as in the last game NOT doing.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 02 2015 15:27 GMT
#432
On November 03 2015 00:25 Half the Sky wrote:
However, based on your use of the word "bullshit" I am interpreting this as you seeing his read on you as malicious/mafia intent. I did not think it was. So what are you seeing that I am not?

Go read the game he is comparing my meta to here.
It's less than 5 pages. You should see what i am talking about.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 02 2015 15:31 GMT
#433
On November 03 2015 00:22 ShoCkeyy wrote:
In all honesty though, Xatalos in that game was more town aligned than you were.

Well that's not possibly true because both of our role PM's said vanilla town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 02 2015 15:34 GMT
#435
On November 03 2015 00:33 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2015 00:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 03 2015 00:22 ShoCkeyy wrote:
In all honesty though, Xatalos in that game was more town aligned than you were.

Well that's not possibly true because both of our role PM's said vanilla town.


Well obviously, but I'm stating it from the POV of a town player that just finished reading up until the point you got killed.

Well how does that have anything to do with anything?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 02 2015 15:37 GMT
#436
Alright i am off for dinner. Dunno if i get back before the deadline.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 02 2015 15:40 GMT
#437
Superbia/Xatalos
HtS

sicklucker/Artanis
Rels(pending)

kitaman

ShoCkeyy
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 02 2015 15:43 GMT
#441
@rayn, you felt that his push on xat was town motivated when it occurred initially. I agreed with you at that time since pushing a player to generate discussion is generally town-motivated. However, do you feel this explanation is legit?

Yeah i think i have said that at least many times already.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2015 05:16 GMT
#640
HalfTheSky; based on what does Xatalos drop under superbia in your reads?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2015 05:20 GMT
#641
On November 03 2015 01:01 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 23:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Rels why do you actually think i am town?

I'm not sure you are. You're attacking people over small logical things and you are thinking about the game as a whole; that is town indicative, but I know you can replicate that as town; at least that what you and several other people claimed before.

So why did you actually change my read in the first place?
That is what i have been doing all game long, playing to my town meta.

Why did you go from sure scum to sure town? And now not so sure town?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2015 05:22 GMT
#642
On November 03 2015 01:43 Rels wrote:
Alright leaving work.
HTS, I won't vote a team you or Superbia are part of atm. Obviously that could change between now or deadline. I'm OK with Xata / kita / rayn / me.

And awhile ago you were more confident with HtS/Xatalos/Rels team succeeding a mission than rayn in it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2015 05:24 GMT
#643
yeah Rels is scum.
So is ShoCkeyy.

Well this is going to be easy. I am basically okay with any team that does not include either of Rels/ShoCkeyy.
If the team fails pick the rest 4 people. I am almost certain we win the game there.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2015 05:36 GMT
#644
Nevermind the last two posts of mine. I misread something from my memory.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2015 05:37 GMT
#645
Rels why do you want to put kitaman into the team over me?
Do you understand the fact that if he is scum calling Superbia scum at the time he did is the only possible play he can make in case HtS is town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2015 05:37 GMT
#646
if = when
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