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Why is rayn and Xata always posting together most of the time? Why is rayn and xata communicating outside of the game? Why is rayn and xata sounding like the most towns people to everyone? Give me reasons.
Btw rayn I don't see the problem, only you do and also, I only have like four people town read. L2R.
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Just because I'm ok with a team doesn't mean that I town read them all... It's still the first mission.
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On November 06 2015 00:48 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 00:44 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Why is rayn and Xata always posting together most of the time? Why is rayn and xata communicating outside of the game? Why is rayn and xata sounding like the most towns people to everyone? Give me reasons.
Btw rayn I don't see the problem, only you do and also, I only have like four people town read. L2R. We're not communicating outside of the game? How could we?
On November 04 2015 01:52 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2015 01:41 Rels wrote:On November 04 2015 01:37 Xatalos wrote:On November 04 2015 01:28 Rels wrote:A part of HTS' play that makes no sense coming from townHTS was willing to nominate a team without herself yesterday. She didn't do it in the end, but she mentionned it multiple times. Furthermore, she recently said to Xatalos (the next leader in line) that she was OK not being part of his team if he found someone else. This makes no sense from a town perspective for three reasons: 1.You're only 100% sure of your alignment in this game. To form a 3-men team you're confident in, having one 100% confirmed townie in it is extremely rassuring. Proof: kita's maths about whether town leaders should include themselves in their team or not. At random, you go from 36% success rate to 18%. Now you won't pick your team at random; but it makes no sense to consider removing yourself from your team, or suggesting to not be part of a team, since the chances of the team succeeding goes up by a lot. 2.If you're scum, the team will fail. So it makes sense to consider removing yourself from your own team if you're scum, 'cause that seems logical to you, even if you pretend being town in thread. 3.Lastly, it means HTS is more concerned about having a team being accepted than having a team succeeding. She wants to be read as town, and for that she's OK submitting a team that is agreed upon by the thread sentiment, even if that means she is not part of the team herself. For an example of this, I bolded a particular sentence in the third quote below. I actually thought rayn was baiting HTS to do it yesterday in this post: On November 02 2015 21:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think you should try to find two townreads besides Superbia if you think that's possible when you have read everything closely. But that wasn't the case. Sources: On November 03 2015 00:46 Half the Sky wrote:
I'm looking at a three-hour delay for my flight home. Fuck this weather.
That is going to put me close to deadline, so I am going to keep my primary submission to what it is now, and then have an alternate submission up ASAP so you people can discuss it before and then I will state what I'm going to do before I get on the plane. If I had to pull myself off the team, it'd be right now - Xata/rayn/Superbia.
I'm feeling better about Xata but not as good as with Super/rayn and I don't believe sicklucker and Artanis will bleed town for me in time for deadline or even before I leave Berlin, if I even do.
Also I don't feel Rels' TMI argument on superbia is valid, but will double check the rest of his followup. On November 03 2015 01:50 Half the Sky wrote:On November 03 2015 01:43 Rels wrote:
Alright leaving work.
HTS, I won't vote a team you or Superbia are part of atm. Obviously that could change between now or deadline. I'm OK with Xata / kita / rayn / me. Going to be blunt, that's not happening, Kita is definitely not happening right now, if I swap Superbia out, it's probably going to be for Xata, and right now I'm not sure of anyone else to swap me out unless I went Superbia/Xata/rayn. *yawn* Thankfully this doesn't need to be unanimous. What is concerning is the lack of reads from a lot of people (inactives aside) because other than Rels saying he won't vote for certain teams, not knowing what teams are going to pass makes this doubly difficult. I know where rayn, Rels and Xata stand, kita to a lesser extent, the rest....shit. I'm hoping as the day wears on, we'll see more activity from the NA-based players (or at least I can resolve Kita). If I'm home on time, I should have at least 30m to see if I last minute swap someone. On November 03 2015 07:02 Half the Sky wrote:On November 03 2015 06:56 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2015 06:49 Half the Sky wrote:
##nominate: kitaman27, raynpelikoneet, Half the Sky
Still on my way home everyone. So you view yourself, me, rayn, super, and xatalos as trustworthy? Not a lot of wiggle room there with the nulls. Kinda similar to what had me concerned with xata earlier. Or did something that xata or super post move them over to your spy list? I don't mind this nomination as much as the other two....but I'd be much more satisfied with it coming back up for vote later on in the first cycle so I'd have a better grasp on you and rayn. Still not thrilled about accepting a team 24 hours into the game. Right now, I'm most certain on you, rayn, superbia. Less so on Xatalos compared to you three but I don't think he's a spy. The three of you - reads are partially based on meta but still conducive to how you have still played this game so far. For tactical reasons I could swap myself out but seeing as there is only one person disputing my inclusion on the team (who I'm not townreading anyways), it makes more sense to keep myself on the team with my two most certain townreads. Also agreed on the 24h thing, IRL really cut into my playing time, but it is what it is. Right before deadline + thread sentiment excuse: On November 03 2015 07:57 Half the Sky wrote:
4 mins left.
Could pull myself off and go with Rayn/Superbia/Kita.
But there are too many people not digging at least one of these as town. Talking about Xatalos' team: On November 03 2015 23:01 Half the Sky wrote:
So Xatalos, you're after me, assuming this team is a write-off (seeing as only one person is voting to pass it), I'd say nominate yourself and rayn for sure. I'd also say to vote me, but if you don't trust me, then I'd say see what happens the rest of this cycle and then tomorrow (when the torch passes to you) and then make the decision.
I know where rayn is coming from with Artanis/SL, but I agree with you that Artanis could be either alignment and sicklucker saying you're spy for omgus-like reasons....I don't know about the latter. I guess she's really focused on looking good... Don't you think it could be just town wanting to be townread? Well, that kind of contradicts the way she's also okay with not being on missions >.> Then why try so hard to look good? Good to see you're answering yourself. p: You're really the opposite of Shockey; each time someone brings a point on someone else, you accept it and change your read of that person. You really are following the thread sentiment to the letter. Can I have a quick read list post ? Atm I think rayn is most likely town. He has a very balanced view of the game and he's following what we talked about on Skype - trying to be more calm and reasonable in the way how he makes reads and pushes things. I didn't really see anything unacceptable from how his reads progressed so far. Not completely sold on anyone else being town right now. One of HTS/Kita most likely is (I'd guess HTS....) and Superbia could be... SL and Artanis could also well be town based on their "free-spirited" posting like rayn said (not really pushing any agenda). The rest would be null/scummy unless I forgot something. See previous posts about Kita and shockey, and you I'm less sure on, but... It's kind of hard to accept what reads you've been pushing (like the rayn push, town reading Kita/shockey over all others...?). While at it, you could just explain all of your reads so that I could try and make sense of it.
Bolded it where you say you're talking on skype.
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Rels, has rayn and xata ever poke each other before coming to the conclusion they were both town? I don't recall them doing so.
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Hmmm rayn is starting to get mad again...
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On November 06 2015 01:38 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 01:33 JudgeJudy wrote:On November 05 2015 23:58 ShoCkeyy wrote:
The lineup when I voted was HtS, Xata and Kita, which I was perfectly fine with. When was there ever a HTS/Xata/Kita line up for you to vote for? I'm confused what you are referencing here. Maybe a typo? I don't think that team was ever even talked about.
Bah, I was reading into your filter when I wrote that and really meant rayn...
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On November 06 2015 08:04 Half the Sky wrote:
Nice.
So we have a scumteam of Rels/Shockey and one of Kita/Superbia. At least it's looking that way.
I'm thinking Artanis should nominate himself, rayn and Xatalos. That is my first impression.
How can you even tell, the mission hasn't even passed. If anything this "scum team" suggestion of yours is your scummiest post already trying to claim others as scum when mission not even done.... PSH... You swear that a mafia member won't be on a team.
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On November 06 2015 08:53 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 08:48 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 03:15 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I'm pretty much going to reject the xata/rayn combo wombo. I'd rather see the first team mentioned - hts,super,xata go through. At least if a sabotage happens, we definitely have a good chance of finding the mafia until the next mission. Hmmm... I guess there is an explanation at least.... Of some sort... So if I got this right... shockeyy would only vote for missions where there's one of me/rayn, but not both......? shockeyy?
Yes, but if you used your brain, you would understand why... If both of you are on a mission together and one mission gets sabotaged, then it's hard to differentiate wether or not you both sabotaged it. If you go on solo missions, rather than together, it makes it easier to see if you or rayn are mafia. Obviously you both got you wanted and are now butt buddies on the same team.
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On November 06 2015 08:59 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 08:56 ShoCkeyy wrote:On November 06 2015 08:53 Xatalos wrote:On November 06 2015 08:48 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 03:15 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I'm pretty much going to reject the xata/rayn combo wombo. I'd rather see the first team mentioned - hts,super,xata go through. At least if a sabotage happens, we definitely have a good chance of finding the mafia until the next mission. Hmmm... I guess there is an explanation at least.... Of some sort... So if I got this right... shockeyy would only vote for missions where there's one of me/rayn, but not both......? shockeyy? Yes, but if you used your brain, you would understand why... If both of you are on a mission together and one mission gets sabotaged, then it's hard to differentiate wether or not you both sabotaged it. If you go on solo missions, rather than together, it makes it easier to see if you or rayn are mafia. Obviously you both got you wanted and are now butt buddies on the same team. LOL I mean, I can kind of understand the principle... But where does this boundless confidence that we're scum come from? Just from the fact that we've defended each other? Wouldn't scum instead want to avoid direct "teaming up" or anything like that?
Why does it matter when a good portion of the town already thinks you're town?
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In the event that the mission passes, can we use this same exact team for mission 4? K thanks.
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On November 06 2015 09:06 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 09:05 ShoCkeyy wrote:
In the event that the mission passes, can we use this same exact team for mission 4? K thanks. That's mission impossible though, since this is the only mission with 3 people I think.
You're pretty slow, we use the same exact team + 2, what's the issue? lol...
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Is there a reason why you think he's scum?
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On November 06 2015 21:38 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 21:25 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 21:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 21:22 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 21:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 21:18 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 21:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 19:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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So, your analysis decided that if a 3-player team passes and a 4-player team fails, we need behaviour and vote analysis to determine whether the 4th player is scum or town, and thus decide whether the 3-player team is clean or not.
I think you may be on to something here. You're a little shit =D ![[image loading]](http://qc.createdebate.com/img/blog_article_images/disagreement-hierarchy.jpg) Thanks for playing! Pretty cool (= I'm picturing you with your folder of "funny and town-looking images", waiting for the perfect opportunity to post one Is that an indirect way of calling me mafia? No. Did you feel attacked by that post ? The way you phrased it made me think you were scumreading me, yes. Generally people don't feel the need to specify "town-looking images" when they're talking about people they are in fact townreading. It's pretty obvious it was a joke though. Given the fact that you've been dancing around my alignment for a while now I didn't find it a very obvious joke, but very well. Talk to me about Shockeyy. You seem to be one of the only people townreading him. First, his play makes no sense for scum. His scumreads are the two most townread people this game, and he's keeping them since the beginning of the game; and I think he might be right on rayn. This has transformed him into someone whom nobody listens to and nobody picks in their team. If that guy is mafia, he's playing to lose the game.
Are you mafia?
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On November 06 2015 21:38 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 21:25 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 21:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 21:22 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 21:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 21:18 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 21:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 19:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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So, your analysis decided that if a 3-player team passes and a 4-player team fails, we need behaviour and vote analysis to determine whether the 4th player is scum or town, and thus decide whether the 3-player team is clean or not.
I think you may be on to something here. You're a little shit =D Thanks for playing! Pretty cool (= I'm picturing you with your folder of "funny and town-looking images", waiting for the perfect opportunity to post one Is that an indirect way of calling me mafia? No. Did you feel attacked by that post ? The way you phrased it made me think you were scumreading me, yes. Generally people don't feel the need to specify "town-looking images" when they're talking about people they are in fact townreading. It's pretty obvious it was a joke though. Given the fact that you've been dancing around my alignment for a while now I didn't find it a very obvious joke, but very well. Talk to me about Shockeyy. You seem to be one of the only people townreading him. First, his play makes no sense for scum. His scumreads are the two most townread people this game, and he's keeping them since the beginning of the game; and I think he might be right on rayn. This has transformed him into someone whom nobody listens to and nobody picks in their team. If that guy is mafia, he's playing to lose the game.
Just curious since I felt like you re-worded one of my posts that you probably did not read.
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Lol.... Of course..... I don't look crazy now do I? ;\
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On November 07 2015 08:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 08:21 Half the Sky wrote:On November 07 2015 08:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 08:16 Half the Sky wrote:What we know SL/Xata/rayn = 1 spy Rels/shockey/Superbia/Kita/Artanis = 2 spies Latest voting results: On November 06 2015 08:00 Tictock wrote:
Day 1
Xatalos Nomination (Xatalos, rayn, sicklucker)
Vote Result
Half the Sky - YES
Xatalos - YES
Artanis[Xp] - YES
raynpelikoneet - YES
ShoCkeyy - NO
Rels - NO
sicklucker - YES
kitaman27 - NO
Superbia - NO
MISSION IS APPROVED
Xatalos, raynpelikoneet, and sicklucker will be embarking on Mission 1
Mission will be completed in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00) on 6 November 2015. We don't know that. There could be 2 spies in the first mission. Also, I guess we're not sending the same mission + me then. Huh. LOL no. Eh, in the actual resistance we know the number of sabotages, but I guess that's not the case here. NVM. You do realize one of the spies could've voted pass, right?
I'm starting to think that HtS is a spy.... What are your thoughts on her?
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On November 07 2015 08:33 Xatalos wrote:
That was ballsy >.> Especially if SL is scum...
But I still think rayn is town, so it pretty much has to be SL... Quite doubt it would be both. Wouldn't make much sense for scum rayn to embrace scum SL as the third member then...
I'll have to relook at them both though...
Are you using morse code or something?
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On November 07 2015 08:35 Half the Sky wrote:
Incidentally tripping over it as I'm reading through rayn's filter. Figures.
![[image loading]](http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/ee2/293/705/resized/seinfeld-meme-generator-oh-really-now-7646be.jpg)
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I work essentially every day from 9am to 9pm, right now, I need to finish up with three clients and finish writing out a script to pull json info from a site. I'm dead tired, but anyways, why should I trust you?
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On November 07 2015 09:25 Xatalos wrote:
Mehh... I guess there's the very slight argument against rayn that he so easily townread Superbia when I got the opposite impression from the events... I just kind of don't think rayn would go out of his way to townread Superbia in that situation as scum, no matter what Superbia is. From what I remember, he scumread very aggressively in the VS game as scum (for not-so-good reasons as well), but didn't have many townreads at all. Meanwhile in the last Vanilla game as town he gave away townreads very easily (especially the townreads to me, Vivax and ritoky right away). So this basically falls more into his town play than scum play, I think.
Thoughts on me after this first mission eh?
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