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On November 02 2015 20:52 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 20:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia FYI Xatalos has not played forum Resistance. ...That makes me slightly more suspicious rofl. But whatever, I have concluded that you are likely town, and that Xat may be town too. Partially due to me trusting your read a little, and partially because of how he's mentally (i.e. logically) handling my push. Actually Xat was town in the vanilla mafia game too right? The one in which he died n3 or whatever (I've half-followed it)? And where they lynched scum on d3 only? If so that gives him some town-points this game so far.
I find this super convenient. Superbia started by scumreading Xata for the nightmare thing, which is understandable. Then there was the "is it still nightmarish ?" "kinda" "now that you've said it's not nightmarish anymore ..." scumread which was super weird. And now that rayn thinks Xata is town for meta, suddenly Xata is town for Superbia too, and I have TMI on him.
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On November 02 2015 22:34 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 22:28 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 22:26 Xatalos wrote:
Rels, you think I'm currently completely unreadable? Really? That's what your earlier post implied. Now I think you're town. You're being active and you meddle with everything in the thread, exactly like in the game I'm hosting. So why not include me in a team already...? >.>
Well now I think it's a good idea to include you in a team (= the post before was when I was catching up.
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On November 02 2015 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 22:25 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 22:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 02 2015 17:52 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 17:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well thank you captain obvious.
I bet alot of players would not realize that unless you said it. You're welcome! I don't understand why you're hard townreading Superbia, who nitpicked something to death and made it the basis for a "mild" scumread. Is this your way of saying "i agree with the townread on rayn"? I don't understand. Maybe you quoted the wrong post bro. Can you point out to a post of yours where you imply you read me as town for my Superbia read? Because i really feel like your filter says the opposite.
Where do I say I read you as town for your Superbia's read ?
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rayn, can you expand on Xata's meta, like I asked you a few times, and Superbia did ?
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On November 02 2015 22:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 22:16 Rels wrote:
1 - "I loved rayn's initial post of calling me town, this is exactly the type of opening I would expect out of town-rayn. I would love to hear some more depth behind his meta-read on Xat. But so far rayn is leaning town." Agree
here?
Fuck. I copied too much, I agreed that you should expand on your meta read.
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On November 02 2015 22:39 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 22:35 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 22:34 Xatalos wrote:On November 02 2015 22:28 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 22:26 Xatalos wrote:
Rels, you think I'm currently completely unreadable? Really? That's what your earlier post implied. Now I think you're town. You're being active and you meddle with everything in the thread, exactly like in the game I'm hosting. So why not include me in a team already...? >.> Well now I think it's a good idea to include you in a team (= the post before was when I was catching up. Hmm.... So you didn't think my early posts were towny, but the latter ones are? I think I've been playing the same throughout the game though. Or...?
The thing is you meddle with everything going on in the thread. That wasn't evident at the start of the game, since, well, not much was going on.
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On November 02 2015 22:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Not really. Or i can, but it doesn't tell anything to you.
It basically has to do with what i have talked with him on skype after your game.
Now I want to know even more!
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If HTS cannot be active until deadline, she shouldn't include herself in her team.
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On November 02 2015 22:44 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 22:41 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 22:39 Xatalos wrote:On November 02 2015 22:35 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 22:34 Xatalos wrote:On November 02 2015 22:28 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 22:26 Xatalos wrote:
Rels, you think I'm currently completely unreadable? Really? That's what your earlier post implied. Now I think you're town. You're being active and you meddle with everything in the thread, exactly like in the game I'm hosting. So why not include me in a team already...? >.> Well now I think it's a good idea to include you in a team (= the post before was when I was catching up. Hmm.... So you didn't think my early posts were towny, but the latter ones are? I think I've been playing the same throughout the game though. Or...? The thing is you meddle with everything going on in the thread. That wasn't evident at the start of the game, since, well, not much was going on. Alright... Well, I guess I can see that. How about the way you called Superbia's push bad while saying I'm a null read? If you didn't think I was town yet, shouldn't it be good to pressure me for reactions?
You quoted the fucking post that I had a problem with ???
On November 02 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 08:32 Superbia wrote:
Do you really think this game is a nightmare for scum? Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 08:35 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, I think it should be somewhat anti-scum. In the way that IRL Resistance is pretty balanced, but here it's much easier for town to communicate properly than IRL, whereas the scumteam can't communicate at all like usual in forum Mafia. Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 08:39 Superbia wrote:
So now that we've correctly concluded that you don't believe it is a "nightmare" for scum. Why did you open with that? LOL "Is it a nightmare ?" "Kinda" "OK now that you said it's not a nightmare ..." You misread something there bro.
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On November 02 2015 22:47 Half the Sky wrote:
(Curious to see what shockey comes up with.)
On November 02 2015 22:47 Half the Sky wrote:
Still on page 12, hang tight.
Shockey's only page page 16:
On November 02 2015 22:27 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Just woke up, going to go over all the pages now.
???
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On November 02 2015 22:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think that's a really shitty reason to call anyone scum Rels.
On November 02 2015 17:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He didn't really say "yes", he said "kinda" which can basically read as "changing your opinion without no real reason".
That's a good reason.
1. Superbia scumreads Xatalos for saying rolling scum would be nightmarish.
2. Superbia scumreads Xatalos for saying rolling scum is not nightmarish, when Xatalos said it was kinda nightmarish.
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On November 02 2015 22:51 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 22:45 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 22:44 Xatalos wrote:On November 02 2015 22:41 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 22:39 Xatalos wrote:On November 02 2015 22:35 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 22:34 Xatalos wrote:On November 02 2015 22:28 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 22:26 Xatalos wrote:
Rels, you think I'm currently completely unreadable? Really? That's what your earlier post implied. Now I think you're town. You're being active and you meddle with everything in the thread, exactly like in the game I'm hosting. So why not include me in a team already...? >.> Well now I think it's a good idea to include you in a team (= the post before was when I was catching up. Hmm.... So you didn't think my early posts were towny, but the latter ones are? I think I've been playing the same throughout the game though. Or...? The thing is you meddle with everything going on in the thread. That wasn't evident at the start of the game, since, well, not much was going on. Alright... Well, I guess I can see that. How about the way you called Superbia's push bad while saying I'm a null read? If you didn't think I was town yet, shouldn't it be good to pressure me for reactions? You quoted the fucking post that I had a problem with ??? On November 02 2015 17:45 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 08:32 Superbia wrote:
Do you really think this game is a nightmare for scum? On November 02 2015 08:35 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, I think it should be somewhat anti-scum. In the way that IRL Resistance is pretty balanced, but here it's much easier for town to communicate properly than IRL, whereas the scumteam can't communicate at all like usual in forum Mafia. On November 02 2015 08:39 Superbia wrote:
So now that we've correctly concluded that you don't believe it is a "nightmare" for scum. Why did you open with that? LOL "Is it a nightmare ?" "Kinda" "OK now that you said it's not a nightmare ..." You misread something there bro. Well, it was a dumb post by him.... But kind of like rayn's description of Superbia's read, it's not necessarily scummy, just wrong?
It's a small scum indication IMO. Nothing strong, but definitely not town indicative or NAI.
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On November 02 2015 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It basically has to do with how he approaches the game and how he gathers reads and what he does/doesn't do as scum. Obviously he could now "mimic" his townplay as mafia as he also knows we have talked about it but it would also give him away because he would have to say something that doesn't make sense from town perspective. And i don't see anything like that here.
OK TY. Xatalos does that make sense ? (I suppose scum!rayn wouldn't lie, but lets make sure)
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On November 02 2015 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 22:51 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 22:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think that's a really shitty reason to call anyone scum Rels. On November 02 2015 17:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He didn't really say "yes", he said "kinda" which can basically read as "changing your opinion without no real reason". That's a good reason. 1. Superbia scumreads Xatalos for saying rolling scum would be nightmarish. 2. Superbia scumreads Xatalos for saying rolling scum is not nightmarish, when Xatalos said it was kinda nightmarish. Yes and he explained why he said both of those things. Why don't you prove why his explanation does not make sense from town point of view instead of arguing the same old thing?
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On November 02 2015 18:15 Rels wrote:
Superbia is suspicious 'cause it would make sense with him deciding Xatalos is scum and finding a new reason to scumread him after the first.
I agree that's not a strong point. However that's the scummiest thing in the thread right now.
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On November 02 2015 22:56 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 18:19 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 18:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 02 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 02 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 17:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I take it that you don't have any townreads Rels? No. That's interesting since there are five people who have posted something that can actually be at least considered as content. If you exclude yourself from the pool, that leaves you four people. Now for you, it is impossible that those four people are al scum -- there has to be at least one townie in them. So what, do you think we are all scum or what? No. That is a dumb question. I'm pretty sure you were the one refusing the answer dumb questions like "are you mafia ?", maybe in the newbie game with noobking. Let me check that. What i am trying to say that i find it suspicious you are not trying to make reads yet, and i think that is not normal for you. Especially when this is not a situation where making reads does not help anything (unlike for example if in a mafia game you think everyone who has posted so far are town). If i compared this to a normal mafia this would be a situation where you know at least one of the people who have posted is mafia for sure but you are refusing to figure it out further. OK bro. I don't have townreads on anyone that posted. I don't have scumreads on them either. I have suspicions on Superbia, kita and you. This post seems somewhat contradictory (not the only post I'll comment on from Rels). Based on the sentences bolded you should in theory be scumleaning the three you listed. I'm also not clear on why you are scumreading rayn or what is jumping out at yoru scumread on rayn. I understand your argument for your initial exchange on Superbia/Xatalos is that Superbia's read on Xatalos was manufactured and I'm seeing your followup on page 16, but where was the suspicion on rayn coming from page 11?
I thought this question was scummy:
On November 02 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 02 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 17:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I take it that you don't have any townreads Rels? No. That's interesting since there are five people who have posted something that can actually be at least considered as content. If you exclude yourself from the pool, that leaves you four people. Now for you, it is impossible that those four people are al scum -- there has to be at least one townie in them. So what, do you think we are all scum or what? No. That is a dumb question. I'm pretty sure you were the one refusing the answer dumb questions like "are you mafia ?", maybe in the newbie game with noobking. Let me check that.
On November 02 2015 22:56 Half the Sky wrote:
Also Rels, my post on shockey was because of him saying he's catching up, he hadn't posted jack all before that.
It indicates that you read the thread, or at least the last few posts starting page 16, when you said you were stuck on page 12. Not sure it's alignement indicative but I have no idea why you would lie about that.
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On November 02 2015 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 22:57 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 02 2015 22:51 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 22:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think that's a really shitty reason to call anyone scum Rels. On November 02 2015 17:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He didn't really say "yes", he said "kinda" which can basically read as "changing your opinion without no real reason". That's a good reason. 1. Superbia scumreads Xatalos for saying rolling scum would be nightmarish. 2. Superbia scumreads Xatalos for saying rolling scum is not nightmarish, when Xatalos said it was kinda nightmarish. Yes and he explained why he said both of those things. Why don't you prove why his explanation does not make sense from town point of view instead of arguing the same old thing? Here: On November 02 2015 18:15 Rels wrote:
Superbia is suspicious 'cause it would make sense with him deciding Xatalos is scum and finding a new reason to scumread him after the first. I agree that's not a strong point. However that's the scummiest thing in the thread right now. But the thing is he never used that reasoning to scumread Xatalos further.
Yeah exactly. Now he townreads him when you townread him, and he is saying I have TMI on Xatalos.
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On November 02 2015 18:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 17:57 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 16:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Clarity is mafia. Ready to hear stuff from you anytime. Feel free to, I just arrived at work and I probably won't do anything until late at night.
Depending on what time he comes back, Arta shouldn't be part on a team too. "Late at night" I suppose means 22:00, which is 2 hours before deadline in France and I think in Netherlands too.
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On November 02 2015 23:07 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 23:03 Half the Sky wrote:On November 02 2015 20:11 Xatalos wrote:
Rels seemed okay on activity and focus on interaction, town? Artanis and SL basically didn't do anything yet so null. Rels is very active as mafia (reference: Drams, SOTW 2) and in SOTW I believe he also did the latter. (This doesn't make you scum btw, I am just pointing the flaw in your argument and I don't recall you having played in either game.) I'm not sure if I've ever played with Rels before. He's really this active as scum?
Yes I am. (=
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On November 02 2015 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 23:07 Xatalos wrote:I'm not sure if I've ever played with Rels before. He's really this active as scum? He seems almost hyper-active  yes he is.
It was my question. Get out.
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OK this tire me so let's lay out what happened. Timeline.
1. Superbia scumreads Xata for saying "playing scum is a nightmare".
On November 02 2015 08:18 Superbia wrote:
I instantly retract my townread.
On November 02 2015 08:20 Superbia wrote:
So it's in no way a "nightmare" for "them". Which you should know, since you have played the game before.
2. Superbia asks Xata if he really thinks it's a nightmare, Xata kinda confirms.
On November 02 2015 08:32 Superbia wrote:
Do you really think this game is a nightmare for scum?
On November 02 2015 08:35 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, I think it should be somewhat anti-scum. In the way that IRL Resistance is pretty balanced, but here it's much easier for town to communicate properly than IRL, whereas the scumteam can't communicate at all like usual in forum Mafia.
3. Superbia uses this to make Xatalos say something he didn't: that being scum isn't nightmarish
On November 02 2015 08:39 Superbia wrote:
So now that we've correctly concluded that you don't believe it is a "nightmare" for scum. Why did you open with that?
Conclusion
That is the problem with Superbia's early play; twisting Xatalos' words to something he didn't mean. Now he turned that read around to townread Xatalos, and rayn is claiming it's not suspicous, which might be right. But this word-twisting stuff is scum indicative.
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