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kitaman27
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On November 03 2015 01:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I actually think shockeyy is kinda scummy for trying to nail rels on changing his reads. Town changes their reads a lot more than scum does and is less careful in general.
What makes you say shockeyy is trying to nail Rels? There was a clear swap in opinion there without much explanation. I was about to quote similar posts myself since it wasn't clear where the switch up happened. It seems more to me like he is trying to follow Rels thought process, rather than crucifying him for a change in opinion.
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kitaman27
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On November 03 2015 02:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 02:04 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2015 01:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I actually think shockeyy is kinda scummy for trying to nail rels on changing his reads. Town changes their reads a lot more than scum does and is less careful in general. What makes you say shockeyy is trying to nail Rels? There was a clear swap in opinion there without much explanation. I was about to quote similar posts myself since it wasn't clear where the switch up happened. It seems more to me like he is trying to follow Rels thought process, rather than crucifying him for a change in opinion. Since when do clear swaps in opinion make someone more likely scum than town?
I didn't say that, nor do I mind the town read on rayn from Rels. I said that it makes sense to try to understand why someone changes their opinion if it is not clear to follow and then try to determine whether or not the explanation is valid.
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kitaman27
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I'm kinda impressed that HTS hasn't dropped off. I started the day thinking I'd auto-reject her based on how hard she was trying to paint herself in a good light, but maybe that could be interpreted as genuine leader townie. She seemed a bit trusting of players who posted a lot, while disregarded less active players, which makes sense on day one I suppose, but I don't think I'd be satisfied with that metric alone. When all is said and done, I'll probably reject the first nomination anyways based on the number of null reads I have out there, but at least I'm willing to consider it now.
If you're unwilling to include me, I'll see if I can come up with my preferred alternative. I think I'm satisfied with rayn being included. I've been anti-super, but I'll see if I'm being too harsh based on one post. He has been missing for a while though, which is a concern. Looking at his games in the database, he takes a bit longer to get going as mafia it seems.
I'm undecided on Xata. I'll come back to him after lunch.
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kitaman27
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On November 03 2015 03:12 Xatalos wrote:
Still a pretty... unimpactful? push or whatever it was
Well I stated my opinion about that post, asked HTS to comment, asked rayn to comment, asked HTS to clarify a second time, and then elaborated on my distrust. You don't find that sufficient?
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kitaman27
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On November 03 2015 01:52 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I actually think shockeyy is kinda scummy for trying to nail rels on changing his reads. Town changes their reads a lot more than scum does and is less careful in general. Not trying to nail anything, I'm just questioning his stance on rayn. If you read the thread you would of seen that Rels was actively going after rayn in the beginning, to be able to do a 180 and call him town in a few hours is quite interesting to me.
Are you satisfied with the response Rels gave? The topic got dropped after this post.
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kitaman27
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On November 03 2015 04:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 04:06 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2015 01:52 ShoCkeyy wrote:On November 03 2015 01:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I actually think shockeyy is kinda scummy for trying to nail rels on changing his reads. Town changes their reads a lot more than scum does and is less careful in general. Not trying to nail anything, I'm just questioning his stance on rayn. If you read the thread you would of seen that Rels was actively going after rayn in the beginning, to be able to do a 180 and call him town in a few hours is quite interesting to me. Are you satisfied with the response Rels gave? The topic got dropped after this post. Not really, but it seems like a lot of people dropped off after this.
If I understand correctly, you feel that the rayn vs Rels interaction makes rayn look bad because of how he reacted in past games, but you also feel that Rels looks bad based on his sudden shift in opinion. Are you entertaining a scenario where there was a scum to scum interaction between rayn and Rels earlier on or if not, which behavior seems more town to you?
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kitaman27
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I don't think I'm comfortable with Xatalos just yet.
Here is his read list from what I gathered. Basically all town and null reads.
Xatalos - Obviously town reads himself
Half the Sky - Strong town read
On November 03 2015 01:13 Xatalos wrote:
Well, she's clearly reading the thread and making original findings. Such as the way I inquired Superbia about his townread on me, or how you were making filler posts here and there.... She's also coming to pretty good conclusions from those findings. Hard to ask for more at this point.
raynpelikoneet - Strong town read
On November 03 2015 01:01 Xatalos wrote:
rayn has been very focused on finding townreads, something I think fits better with his town meta and is perhaps more useful in this game than finding a scum.
Superbia - Town read, though a tier below the previous ones. Questions the initial push, but seems content with him for the most part.
On November 03 2015 00:54 Xatalos wrote:
Hm..... I think HtS/rayn/Superbia has a decent chance of being Spy-free. It would be worth considering at least.
On November 03 2015 01:31 Xatalos wrote:
Well, I don't think Superbia's later posts were bad either. He somewhat decently explained his reason for the initial scumread on me and then townread me for a good reason too
Rels - Null, though this sounds more like townie null
On November 03 2015 00:05 Xatalos wrote:
Hm.. I'd maybe put Rels into the null pile. I think his explanations somewhat made sense, and he's actively doing stuff (even if he can be active as scum, it's still easier to be a little less active than that as scum). Otherwise it seemed generally okay.
Artanis[Xp] - Null/No shared opinion?
ShoCkeyy - Null/No shared opinion?
sicklucker - Null
kitaman27 - Scum read for lack of interaction at start of the game. Hasn't elaborated much about me since then.
From his position knowing that there are three anti-town players, it seems like he isn't really suspicious of anyone aside from me, especially considering that he has so many posts already. I know that I'm probably biased considering that I'm the only one he seems to think is a spy, but that doesn't seem very satisfactory to me. He seems quite content with the status quo.
On November 02 2015 23:52 Xatalos wrote:
Well, tbh I might take rayn and Superbia with me as well right now. Not because they're super town, but because there aren't that many good options. I hope that situation fixes itself.
I know from my perspective, I wouldn't be so willing to pass along the nominations if I don't have a great idea of where the bad guys might be. Right now it seems more like a process of elimination based on the lack of posts from the null players. Considering we can have several more cycles to get that part sorted out, I'm concerned about his willingness to rush things along so long as he is included in the nomination.
I still don't think I've spotted an alternative to super/xat that I'd be satisfied with yet though. It seems that I have the opposite problem than xat. Most people are coming off as untrustworthy/null, rather than the other way around 
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kitaman27
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On November 03 2015 05:31 JudgeJudy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 05:09 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Kita what are your thoughts on me so far? Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 23:23 ShoCkeyy wrote:On November 02 2015 23:18 Xatalos wrote:On November 02 2015 23:15 ShoCkeyy wrote:I haven't finished reading the thread, but since I did play with rayn last game where he was mafia and this really brings up his current meta: On November 02 2015 19:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i gotta get off for some time. I am starting to get angry at this. He seriously starts to get "angry" when things do not go his way. On November 02 2015 19:15 Rels wrote:
rayn leaving the thread as soon as he's being pushed is scum indicative. Please don't include him in a team. This is also my best suggestion as well. Which game are you referring to? I think he can get plenty angry as town too lol He can get angry as town too, haven't never seen him play as town. I'm just basing it off my previous game with him, which is why I rather not have him on the first mission. Initially I found this post a bit scummy. You acknowledge Xata's point that rayn can display similar behavior as both mafia and town, yet you still choose to conclude mafia while stating that you haven't played with him as town. If you are making a meta read, yet don't put in effort to understand the town meta, then you're relying on a single data point, rather than a trend. Otherwise, I don't see a ton that stands out one way or the other. I can sympathize with not having a ton of strong town reads and not wanting to come to conclusions about posts that really don't seem to matter, though it's difficult to come to an opinion on you with only two main talking points so far. Rels stuff seems reasonable, but it would be nice to see you jump in on more topics as time goes on. I'd expect to hopefully see a few more confident reads in the next day or two.
Eh sorry in advance. For some silly reason I can only log into TL using my smurf account. I can log into LiquidLegends under my normal account, but that doesn't have the filter options, which is why I keep switching between the two. I'll try to do a better job to preview first XD
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kitaman27
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On November 03 2015 05:15 Xatalos wrote:
Well kita, you even quoted the reason for my focus... That finding town in this game might be more useful than finding scum. Of course figuring out the Spies is always useful, but it'll get easier with vote analysis and mission results, whereas here the main goal is to figure out who to send on a mission. At least in IRL Resistance we mostly focused on establishing "clear" or at least semi-clear town.
Perhaps, but right now it seems like you are grouping players into "clear" and "null". With most of the null players having very few posts, the main criteria for whether or not a player is "clear" seems to be whether or not they are active. It's a free pass for spies to show up, make a few reasonable posts, and get away with being trusted for a couple hours of posts. I'd rather have more time to sort the players like Artanis, SL, Shockeyy, etc. into "clear"/"spy" buckets before going ahead and relying on mission result analysis when it is so important to get the first one right.
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kitaman27
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On November 03 2015 05:09 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Kita what are your thoughts on me so far?
Your turn now. What are you thoughts on me so far?
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On November 03 2015 00:46 Half the Sky wrote:
I'm feeling better about Xata but not as good as with Super/rayn
On November 03 2015 02:43 Half the Sky wrote:
Read Xata. Could swap Superbia out for him. I'll sit on this.
Current: raynpelikoneet/Superbia/myself
1st alt: Xata/rayn/myself
On November 03 2015 03:17 Half the Sky wrote:
I'm putting in my alternative. I'll evaluate when I'm sorted at home.
##nominate: Xatalos, raynpelikoneet, Half the Sky
What triggered the swap here?
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kitaman27
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On November 03 2015 06:49 Half the Sky wrote:
##nominate: kitaman27, raynpelikoneet, Half the Sky
Still on my way home everyone.
So you view yourself, me, rayn, super, and xatalos as trustworthy? Not a lot of wiggle room there with the nulls. Kinda similar to what had me concerned with xata earlier.
Or did something that xata or super post move them over to your spy list?
I don't mind this nomination as much as the other two....but I'd be much more satisfied with it coming back up for vote later on in the first cycle so I'd have a better grasp on you and rayn. Still not thrilled about accepting a team 24 hours into the game.
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kitaman27
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On November 03 2015 06:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 06:52 Half the Sky wrote:On November 03 2015 06:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Hello folks! Lex, please tell me you have something of substance to say. Or will soon, at least by the time I get home. Not really, I'm kinda looking to be engaged in conversation to actually get the ball rolling and get into the game.
Well you had a scum read on me when you left the thread, now your return, HTS nominates me, and you don't seem that concerned?
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kitaman27
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On November 03 2015 07:24 Half the Sky wrote:
Fair enough.
What?! You can't possible accept his response can you?!
+ Show Spoiler +He failed to answer in the form of a question
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kitaman27
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On November 03 2015 07:55 Xatalos wrote:
Besides, some semi-good posts don't really override the way he ignored what was going on and posted random filler throughout the day >.>
What are you referring to here? Which topics am I ignoring? Aside from maybe the super/xat stuff from the first hour of the game, which I didn't find all that interesting at the time and later followed up when super posted the second explanation.
There was a bit of stuff that went on during the gap where I was asleep and the Europeans were posting, but I think I even touched on most of the relevant stuff there too. Is there something you feel I haven't adequately shared my opinion on?
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kitaman27
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On November 03 2015 07:55 Xatalos wrote:
Besides, some semi-good posts don't really override the way he ignored what was going on and posted random filler throughout the day >.>
But oh well... If this is to happen, then so be it. It's not like it's the final team yet.
Why does this apply to myself, but not superbia? He essentially has 1 talking point this game, even after the return to the thread where he brings back up the "nightmare for scum" stuff that has already been discussed to death.
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kitaman27
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I was hoping that we could nominate sicklucker and we wouldn't need to worry about a sabotage because he'd never show up.
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kitaman27
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On November 03 2015 08:56 Xatalos wrote:
He was also constantly engaged with the thread... Not really sure how it's comparable to you.
That's not true though. Look at the time stamps. I have several posts following the events of the thread every hour for the past ten hours.
Superbia has his initial exchange with you, a group of posts 12 hours ago, and then a couple posts upon his return.
I don't understand why you scum read me by saying that I ignored what was going on most of the day, while town reading superbia because he is engaged with the thread because in reality he wasn't even here all day aside from the 1 hour burst of activity.
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kitaman27
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I doubt even superbia would say that he was "constantly engaged with the thread" most of today. He's mostly in catch up mode at the moment. What do you make of that super?
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kitaman27
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Morning all. I've got to get a couple hours of work done and then I'll catch up from last night.
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