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On November 12 2015 07:49 Vivax wrote:
I make of the first failed mission that I don't want both of Xata/SL on a mission, and that I'm fine with a team of people who voted no on that mission.
We're heading there. I already said I'd look at kita if the mission failed cause I don't trust him for pushing my slot and something about his first post bothering me.
L2 read SL.
Your argument on me is reaaaally old news. If what you say is supposed to be scummy, it's something you could have said about me two days ago without having to ask me any questions.
Pretty bad act from your part, finding a quick shitty reason to join the sentiment against me.
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On November 12 2015 19:21 sicklucker wrote:
ya im mafia when I vted yes on the mission that failed and xata wanted me on the first mission as his scape goat. sick reads.
Oh ya btw I only voted yes because of rayn on that first mission what a good player I am
These aren't my arguments, my argument is that you try to paint me scummy for voting yes as if it surprised you when it was clear from the start that I would, if you cared to read and not just cherry pick a post about me not having a good read on kita.
And the timing fits too cause you could have done that two days ago but only do it when you need to join sentiment against me.
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And in my opinion if you believe that my slot would hard push a spy Xata at start of D1 in a game where bussing sucks balls, you are either mafia or shouldn't play this game.
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On November 12 2015 19:27 sicklucker wrote:
Of course I didnt read your shitty posts after you said I was scum I stopped reading. W/e I have auto with or without you. Seems your on the outs
I said you were mafia on the last page. What is this post even supposed to accomplish? If it's justifying your cherry picking of my posts then I think you are confusing timelines.
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On November 12 2015 19:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Vivax, you've mentioned you think Xata is scum, yet you're still going after SL. Do you think Xata nominated two scum in the first mission and then failed it or are you coming round on your Xata read?
Also, what is your read on me?
Feels wise I lean town on you but it's not a very fleshed out read. I acknowledged stuff such as you actually going against sentiment with your read on me at a good timing (the one where I asked you about your TR on me). It's also pretty unlikely you're spy just for the fact that right now I'm leaning SL + Kita and that's already 2/3 down. I need to reconsider Rels however and take a closer look at what you called throwing shit at you before the mission failed.
As for Xata, it was my initial impression after reading the start of the game. I already explained what I didn't like about him.
For me the matter is rather simple, I'd rather not have SL on a mission. I don't want kita on a mission.
I know a scummy push when I see it, so right now I'm leaning towards SL being spy and Xata being meh (no I haven't come around yet, I will when I'm better caught up).
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On November 12 2015 19:29 sicklucker wrote:
to clarify when you said both me and xata are scum. Because thats not even possible. You first think xata is scum (thats fine thats a solid read) then your second unrelated scum read is me which is crazy since were the least likely to be a team in the game.
If you scum read xata i expect a town read by defualt another random thing that does not make sense in your filter
I was never sure about either of you until you started pushing me with that blob of nonsense, I just knew that the safest play would be to have you both out of the mission.
It's just simple logic that if on a failed mission there's 1 guy who I townread and 2 who I'm unsure on, that I rather focus on everyone else and by default decide to not send either of you or Xata on a mission.
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Given SL isn't actually trying to make the case that you're scum, do you still think he's scummy?
I don't care if now he says that he doesn't want to push me as spy. That's what he did and on top of it in a super scummy way so I'm not changing my read just cause now he's backpedaling.
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On November 12 2015 19:44 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2015 19:41 Vivax wrote:On November 12 2015 19:29 sicklucker wrote:
to clarify when you said both me and xata are scum. Because thats not even possible. You first think xata is scum (thats fine thats a solid read) then your second unrelated scum read is me which is crazy since were the least likely to be a team in the game.
If you scum read xata i expect a town read by defualt another random thing that does not make sense in your filter I was never sure about either of you until you started pushing me with that blob of nonsense, I just knew that the safest play would be to have you both out of the mission. It's just simple logic that if on a failed mission there's 1 guy who I townread and 2 who I'm unsure on, that I rather focus on everyone else and by default decide to not send either of you or Xata on a mission. I never pushed you before the vote at all dude... You scum read me for something stupid like me saying "we can be cool" you cant even remember your own scum reads...
It was a fucking joke dude. I just entered the game and you actually said "wow looks like Vivax isn't immediately scumreading me, maybe we can be friends" which just sounded like you'd put a knife at the throat of anyone who scumreads you. Like an actual mafioso would say, you know?
Sure, it was a joke with a core of truth cause I didn't trust both you and Xata, but a joke nonetheless, and you read it like it was a definite scumread. Might as well have cleared Xata back then if that was the case, but it's obvious it isn't.
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Anyway enough talking about this and let's talk plans.
Coag/Artanis/Shockey/me would be a great team.
Shockey just reads super derpy to me and I have a hard time thinking he's mafia for that. He's more like super derpy townie who causes a lot of wuts. Sure, rayn mentioned the instance where his votes made little sense, but when he overall makes little sense then that puts things into perspective.
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HTS really bothered me yesterday with her hyped writing and question spam. I felt like she was just calling me mafia over my head when I was talking against her all the time and instead of arguing things through with me she spammed questions about reads that I didn't give. I think she was trying to do publicity for kita being town over actual townies, overall, since they seem to push the same shit.
I was around reading that and felt pretty pissed off at the accusations and the big formats she was spamming, and when she started spamming questions about my reads I peaced out and went to bed cause if there's something I can't be arsed to do is take a quick read of some random dudes as if I could do that within a few minutes in a game this size.
I think she asked me about kita, then I said something, then she immediately asked me about Artanis. It just felt like a raffic of hasty questions that she didn't elaborate on.
I'll play a lot starting tonight/tomorrow, but don't ask me to be a reading machine, read everything within two days, ignoring any points I come across worth mentioning, and just come to the table with finished conclusions. That's utopic for a replacement.
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On November 12 2015 20:01 sicklucker wrote:
No team will happen that does not include me and hts. I can understand not including one in extreme circumstances but not two.
Anyway vivax let me explain why I came off suspicious as you. If you knew what was happening in the game you should instantly town reading me from your pov because you think xata/kita are scum (im literraly the hardest unaligned player to them in the game)
But then I remembered theres no way you acualy read the game and are just being stupid omgus reactive so your null.
But dont be an asshole and say my push is lame and scummy
BECAUSE IT MAKES PERFECT FUCKING SENSE
This post is emotional, ad hominem garbage.
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On November 12 2015 20:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I kinda want to send me/vivax/shockeyy/coag because there'd be no one that Xata scumreads on there so he'd have no excuse voting no.
I'm not sure on vivax though, he's making too much sense which is worrisome.
If it's worrisome when I make sense, imagine when I don't.
With that logic you are just deciding that you can't read me and call it a day.
I stand by my point that SL's push on me isn't just omgus like he claims but is actually based on scummy arguments (him cherrypicking my kita read even though a few posts later I say I'd be fine sending that team in spite of that).
And not just the content, also the timing (when people start turning on me he does too with that cherrypick).
And when I call him mafia for it, he starts insulting me.
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Artanis I just can't believe you don't see what I see on SL.
It goes beyond OMgus, but his arguments were literally just cherrypicking, and they came at the wrong time.
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Ok so for the record:
I think the winning team has to be Artanis/me/Coag/Shockey.
Kita, rels, SL, Xata, HTS are all people I don't want on it.
Consider that SL/HTS/kita and maybe even Rels (too lazy to check, it's from my memory) all keep trying to push me out of a possible team. Artanis claims that SL doesn't but he did try regardless of intention and joins their camp.
I'll be back during the evening.
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I also feel that it's a team rayn would want with exception of Shockey (despite him bringing up that his behaviour doesn't make sense I'll insist he's probably town).
Rayn lately keeps pushing people as mafia only for not making sense, so he gets mad and swings the hammer of raging vengance.
But I think Shockey is the derpy town of the game. There's always someone for that task in a game of mafia.
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On November 12 2015 20:50 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2015 08:24 sicklucker wrote:On November 12 2015 02:37 Rels wrote:
So the team is either:
Arta / rayn / XXX (not HTS, they're never scums together)
or Arta / Xata / Vivax (or Kita)
I think it makes HTS town actually whatever the case is actually ... at least if the team fails. you cant possibly think the only one to vote no is scum Yes I can. More than that; I think it's scum indicative IF the consensus if the team will pass whatever someone's vote is AND the vote doen't match up with the read previous to the vote. Now Arta wasn't as clear cut as I thought, but only because he was super non commital. I really don't like how you didn't say much before the vote deadline when the consensus was the team will pass; and now you're like "WHAT GUYS WHY DID YOU ALL VOTE YES". If you were that sure the team would fail, you would have fought BEFORE the vote.
Yesss, finally somebody to notice that.
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I'm at a friends pc while he eats, wont stick around for long until I get back home.
Coag, something's off about you? Where's the townie seal I am eagerly expecting?
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You don't just walk into TL and townread kita.
Especially when he pushes my slot who will start expelling massive townie bricks when I have more time for this game.
I just went a bit over Xatalos last pages and I like where his head is, actually. I need more time for this game :> , but my SL read will probably stay as it is, so will the kita read. The last mafia is tricky but I'm leaning towards HTS.
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I decided to do a 180 ° on my read on you HTS, mostly cause I just read early game between Rels and rayn, obviously it can change again when I keep reading but for the time being I think you can be town.
As for SL and kita I'll have to check when they started scumreading each other, who started with it etc.
Rayn said that SL was attacking anyone who attacks him or something similar.
I'll look at filters later.
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5. ShoCkeyy
6. Rels
7. sicklucker
8. kitaman27
9. me
These are all people I don't want to decide except 9 of course but point being is that shockey in my opinion makes a mistake putting SL on a team. And the next 3 guys are people I can see being mafia, so you are at a crossroads between townreading one of them or townreading me.
More of a technicality but relevant to the strategy.
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