EPTBut if you lynch me instead of Fecalfeast, after what I've laid out on a silver platter, then I actually have no words.
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Trfel
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But if you lynch me instead of Fecalfeast, after what I've laid out on a silver platter, then I actually have no words. | ||
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The person suspected by nearly everyone in the game, the person who hasn't posted in 24 hours. If that's not the easiest push in the world, then I don't know what is. | ||
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On November 20 2015 12:58 Damdred wrote: Where the heck does this come from?Seriously you've done nothing but soft to hard defend breshke all game and why? I've been posting more analysis than anyone, making more cases than everyone else combined. I've pushed my suspicions to the best of my ability as well. Just because I was wrong does NOT change the amount of effort that I've put into this game or how invested I've been in this game. The fact that you can even think of simplifying my play to a defense of Breshke is unbelievable. I have an exam tomorrow morning. I found one mafia. I gave a POE list with my reads (yes, the people not on the list have good reason to be town). That means that unless I messed up, there are two mafia in the other three. I'll go worry about my exam now, we can worry about the other mafia later. | ||
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On November 20 2015 08:55 Trfel wrote: Either I missed something, or Fecalfeast is mafia. There is nothing in between.Fecalfeast Here the posts that Fecalfeast has made this game that show his read progression. + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2015 08:33 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm not really reading too closely. Watching CFL with my dad and bro. Tone/feel reads telling me farah is town, geript is town, disform is mafia ever is towny... Refs in this game are blind On November 16 2015 08:34 Fecalfeast wrote: Oh disforms ninja post is fine for now. On November 17 2015 05:36 Fecalfeast wrote: VE you have me on steam lol my buddy hasn't done any of the online stuff yet I'm mostly skimming here but I side with trfel on VE for sure. town: ritoky trfel nocturne mafia: moose ve that's all I got On November 17 2015 08:04 Fecalfeast wrote: ve seems ok now that i'm interacting with him On November 17 2015 08:21 Fecalfeast wrote: He's explained his reasoning for voting me further and my earlier scumread was entirely sheeped from trfel On November 17 2015 08:44 Fecalfeast wrote: ##unvote I'm going to completely ignore moose for the rest of this game but I believe that he is really being that much of a female dog about rolling town. On November 17 2015 09:47 Fecalfeast wrote: I hosted the game where he bused the dick off his whole team as mafia. He legitimately seems like a player who much prefers scum play over town play. That said, I also agree with the idea that giving him a free pass for throwing a tantrum is lame. Fuck it ##vote mooseydoosey On November 17 2015 09:56 Fecalfeast wrote: scott's filter is unappetizing and stingily portioned. 0 stars out of 5 On November 17 2015 10:12 Fecalfeast wrote: I could kill scott if we're gonna ignore moose again On November 17 2015 11:49 Fecalfeast wrote: If I were scum and moose was town, I'd be laughing it up in scum qt right now about how, unless he gets vigged, we have a guaranteed mislynch in lylo. Which means we should probably get rid of him sooner than later. On November 19 2015 08:39 Fecalfeast wrote: 1. Unless someone claims a vig shot on Geript, he was the only one adamant about trfel being scum and was getting upset that nobody listened to him. 2. His day 1 suspicions from his filter: VE, Moose, Scott, Me. I know 3/4 of those are town 100% while moose is showing some towny play since yesterday. 3. Totally willing to vote an uncc'd blue because she's martyring. On November 19 2015 08:58 Fecalfeast wrote: I can't say I'm tunneled on you trfel but right now that's where my brain is. I've only just been in your filter and i will take a closer look later. I've still got shit to do right now tho On November 20 2015 07:50 Fecalfeast wrote: I will kill bresh or trfel because geript confirmed the mafia kill makes it more likely he was offed for his reads, since mafia knows we have a vet* they wouldn't worry about a medic dodge. *assuming farah's claim was real On November 20 2015 08:03 Fecalfeast wrote: I'd be more comfortable lynching breshke over angry!trfel So, there are a few trends shown by the above posts. 1. Whoever posts is town
The disinformation post that caused Fecalfeast to change his read isn't that great. It's the first actual reads post that disinformation has made all game, and it was only made on request. But this caused a dramatic change in Fecalfeast's read? Enough to make him never seriously discuss disformation again? The way he downplayed his scumread on VisceraEyes is terrible. "I side with trfel on VE for sure", leading to a townread on Trfel and a scumread on VisceraEyes. Then, "ve seems ok now that i'm interacting with him" and "He's explained his reasoning for voting me further and my earlier scumread was entirely sheeped from trfel". First, VisceraEyes' Fecalfeast read wasn't a part of my case on VisceraEyes. The fact that this is what Fecalfeast mentioned, while also saying that his scumread came purely from my case, does not make sense at all. For MoosyDoosy, his reasons are debatable, but the important thing is that he voted for MoosyDoosy again later. More on this later. At the same time as Fecalfeast backed off of me (Trfel), he pushed onto Breshke. And he hadn't mentioned Breshke before. This push came out of nowhere. He said he'd rather lynch Breshke because I was "angry". Every single time, there's a person who makes some posts, and Fecalfeast removes his scumread on that person. This is every single time that Fecalfeast has removed a scumread on someone. This reeks of "don't hurt me, I'm not scumreading you!" 2. "Decision" about Day 1 lynch target Fecalfeast first includes MoosyDoosy as mafia in his list (no reason given), then votes MoosyDoosy for martyring. Then he unvotes MoosyDoosy because he thinks MoosyDoosy is just that obnoxious when he rolls town. At this point, Fecalfeast had zero scum reads. So, he went back and voted for MoosyDoosy again, reasoning being that "giving him a free pass for throwing a tantrum is lame". It's noteworthy that at this time, there was a lot of push for lynching MoosyDoosy. This vote on MoosyDoosy is extremely opportunistic and seems to be a patch for Fecalfeast having zero reads. Ritoky, one of the game's highest-influence players, then says that MoosyDoosy is exempt from being lynched. Fecalfeast immediately says he will look into scott31337. And then says he could kill scott31337. He doesn't care one bit about who is lynched, which is shown by his post saying that town ignoring MoosyDoosy causes them to automatically lose LYLO if MoosyDoosy is town, but ultimately vote for scott31337 instead of MoosyDoosy with no new reasons presented. The progression is basically:
3. Other factors I don't really have time to explain this as in detail, but namely his play on Day 3. He said that he didn't like disformation, but he never followed up on this or explained this at all. He said that I (Trfel) was suspicious primarily because of night kill analysis, but never actually addressed any of my posts or arguments like I asked him to, and like he said he would. Then he moved to Breshke, who he only mentioned once before in his filter, with a TOWN LEAN. Okay. Conclusion Fecalfeast is always taking the easy route, always making the easy reads. He's always keeping one scum read and when that stops being easy, he's just moving to the new easy scum read. His apathy towards the Day 1 lynch between two townies and forced read switches are extremely suspicious. I don't understand how everyone can ignore me, no matter how much work I put in. | ||
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Trfel
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All I'm doing is trying to lynch scum. All I've done is try to lynch scum. If people are going to be stupid and lynch someone for no reason instead of scum, then I'll tell them why their reasons are stupid. | ||
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On November 21 2015 00:45 Damdred wrote: Read my filter, I've explained it before.You still aren't answering me, what has Breshke done to be hard town read and hard defended? It's not that Breshke is an overwhelming radiance of towniness, it's that Breshke is decently towny, the reasons for lynching him are terrible, and there are much better lynches that are being ignored. Lynch Fecalfeast. Hopefully I'll be back before the deadline. | ||
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Doesn't look like there's much that can be done at this point. I don't know what to say any more, I hate people ignoring my posts and doing their own thing. It's not possible for me to do everything by myself... | ||
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I still don't know why he was scum here. I guess I need to rethink my read method on Breshke completely. | ||
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On November 21 2015 05:23 The Shining wrote: I don't see how Fecalfeast can be town here.Brooms rhyme with shrooms =D I'll eat shrooms if town doesn't win >.> Trfel do you still think FF is scum? Breshke was obviously bussed. My push on Fecalfeast would have given mafia a golden opportunity to switch off of Breshke, but nothing happened. In addition to all of Fecalfeast's play, that absolutely confirms him as mafia. | ||
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I've got plans for today. If scum shoots me, we'll all be super happy anyway. I guess Damdred is just town. Which leaves me to a POE list of Fecalfeast, disformation, and Onegu. There's quite likely at least one hole in my POE list, some of the points raised against ritoky were pretty good. I'll take a look this evening, hopefully. | ||
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On November 22 2015 09:20 disformation wrote: Yeah, learn to read.Damdred you still around? Was the legwork from earlier what you were looking for? Any conclusions from that? I found Trfel going from "Nah this is not a fake claim" "to lets lynch her" a bit confusing after farah's claim. On November 19 2015 07:10 Trfel wrote: The fact that she claimed, but didn't bother going through MoosyDoosy's case point by point is really, really suspicious. I know I'm not the only one who asked for that. Would FarahBlackwing fakeclaim here as town? I would think not, but am I wrong? On November 19 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote: The "as town" part.I can't see this coming from a person who would fakeclaim here as town. That settles that. | ||
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I get ignored, then everyone calls me scum for stupid nonsense while never responding to anything I'm trying to say. Scum is going to win this game because no one is freaking listening. Fecalfeast is mafia and needs to be lynched. Onegu is likely mafia as well. I'll look through ritoky's filter tonight and then disformation's sometime tomorrow. | ||
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If the only towny thing that someone has done by Day 3 is tone, that's pretty miserable. | ||
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On November 23 2015 07:48 Trfel wrote: To expand:Why is everyone townreading Fecalfeast? All I've seen mentioned is tone. If the only towny thing that someone has done by Day 3 is tone, that's pretty miserable. I've presented a complete argument for why Fecalfeast is mafia. Furthermore, he is basically guaranteed mafia because mafia didn't push onto him and away from Breshke after I posed this argument (the more I think about this, it's not 100% that mafia would do this, but it's extremely likely that they would have pushed it more if they could). Fecalfeast has not responded to my arguments at all. No one else has suggested why anything is at all invalid, either. So why are people townreading him? | ||
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I really hate how Onegu came back an hour from End of Day. After vanishing for so long. But he's still Onegu, and I'm still almost positive that Fecalfeast is mafia. | ||
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On November 23 2015 08:40 Damdred wrote: Why would Fecalfeast push Breshke? He was planning on bussing Breshke already. So when I start pushing on him, why not continue to bus Breshke? There's no reason for him not to do this.Like I've said truffle Why would ff push the case on Breske the way he did? Why is your case so reliant on d1-2 things when you haven't updated with d3 things? Honestly his posting today has been pretty good even if it is a short burst. So explain to me why I should lynch someone who obviously gives a shit (pun intended) today and seemingly is scrum hunting. And why are you complaining when your second scrum read is leading the lynch? Fecalfeast hasn't done anything on Day 3. Look through his filter. He's produced a lot of posts, but no actual work, no desire to solve the game. The one thing he's said is that I'm 100% mafia for not voting for him right away, but then he decided that I'm not 100% mafia, and he never said what changed his mind. There's also this post about The Shining, coming to the conclusion of "The Shining may be town based on tone". Which is very irrelevant, already determined by many people since Day 1, and Fecalfeast isn't even confident of his read. This isn't scumhunting. I'd much rather lynch Fecalfeast than Onegu. Fecalfeast and Onegu are the most likely mafia, but if I made any mistake, then it's Onegu who is town instead of Fecalfeast. I'd much rather take the sure thing. | ||
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On November 24 2015 04:11 disformation wrote: Well, I need to leave.Oh great. I fucking hate this. 50mins b4 deadline, a whole lot of ppl not here. Perfect time to start some action and have a good ol' waffle time. -.- See you guys later. Lynch Fecalfeast. | ||
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On November 24 2015 04:14 NocturneMage wrote: No, it's not a valid reason to townread Onegu, but there is really no guarantee that he is mafia.can you at least for the love of everything that is good talk about Fecalfeast's activity THIS CYCLE and why he's still mafia? why is he mafia based on things he's done THIS CYCLE? also "still being onegu" isn't a valid reason to townread him after you said "onegu is probably mafia" (post 1677) Onegu is likely mafia. But Fecalfeast is ALMOST GUARANTEED mafia. Lynching almost guaranteed mafia is better than lynching likely mafia. Fecalfeast's posting this cycle has been mafia motivated, as well. He posted some analysis early, then when people started townreading him and defending him for his "desire to solve the game" (aka they are blind), then his "desire to solve the game" died off to more fluff and less work. It's pretty obvious if you just look for it. | ||
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On November 24 2015 04:20 disformation wrote: Do you honestly think that Fecalfeast is trying to solve the game?Yeah. I have a similar problem. It is a bit supsicious, but I just can see how that makes FF 100% slamdunk mafia... | ||
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I'm fun to play with as town, really! Well, most of the time! Well, sometimes.... Well, once..... | ||
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