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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 17 2015 16:56 GMT
#745
Fair enough, back to the Shining.

I'm still having trouble sorting out his use of the word metaread and whether he's using that interpretation/use of it in a way to scumread Eversince. is it bad or is he really reaching? does anyone who knows him better able to make that call?

if I can get some feedback from geript and ritoky who were both pushing his lynch, that would be great. On that alone, I would put the other candidates like scott/moosy ahead of him.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 17 2015 16:57 GMT
#747
or rather from what those two wanted to lynch him on, they didn't touch on the wording so I'm not fully sure.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 17 2015 17:03 GMT
#752
On November 18 2015 01:56 FarahBlackwing wrote:
This is a hard game.

And i'm still not sure what to make of disinformation he keeps pointing out these scummy things people do but then ends up with something that could make them town. And really won't commit to a read either way this close to lynch, I almost would rather lynch him at this point maybe.


Did you read ritoky's evaluation on him? I responded to it, but we all agreed there are a combination of scum and town tells. Are you seeing the (any) town side of anything he's doing?
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 17 2015 17:27 GMT
#757
To respond to Farah, Shining isn't too high on my lynch list but considering I trust the reads coming from them, I am sure they can expand a bit more objectively when/if they return.

Earlier when ritoky and I were going through his case, we were discussing the town/mafia traits from disformation and there were legit reasons to come to a null read on him or a read with caveats.

One towny post from disformation was earlier in the game when I asked him about Shining - see post 433. Does that post look like it came from mafia?

644 was his response to ritoky regarding his latest set of reads. Same question there.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 17 2015 17:45 GMT
#765
Alright, geript that's how I perceived Breshke early game and I tried to spell that to Trfel. I've gotta go back but I thought he was engaging his scumreads.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 17 2015 19:42 GMT
#823
I'm going to try and carve out a few minutes at the bar. On my phone...

On Breshke, the ranking explanation between 494 and 507 is sort of meh, so you could argue it is posting for the sake of posting....working my way down and then disformation I will double back on what I saw.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 17 2015 19:45 GMT
#826
...but page 2, the pressing on VE seems towny, he IS following up there.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 17 2015 19:52 GMT
#841
I'm reading further, 674 and 725 seem like okay posts from Breshke. I mean if you are tagging Breshke for having the least impact, the same could be applied to scott. I'm really lost, because he is following up his pushes.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 17 2015 19:54 GMT
#846
if I had to pick between Scott and Breshke, I'd lynch Scott only and mainly because he didn't follow up on Trfel. Breshke, I'm not feeling to vote him to be honest.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 17 2015 19:55 GMT
#848
now between scott and moosy I'm basically choosing between someone who hasn't done dick all and hasn't followed up and someone who has, according to Fecalfeast, dumped WIFOM, which has done dick all for the game.

I really don't know.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 17 2015 20:00 GMT
#859
alright, I think moosy can be fleshed out with some of the raeds re-reading him again.

##vote scott31337
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 17 2015 20:00 GMT
#865
honestly this was hard I couldn't decide between the two. the thing with moosy is that farah read, that can be fleshed out and I had some reservations on her as well.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 17 2015 20:01 GMT
#866
well fuck, go figure.

sorry Scott, ggs.

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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 17 2015 20:03 GMT
#868
let me get back from dinner and take a step back at everything. back in a few hours.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 18 2015 13:18 GMT
#943
On November 18 2015 21:51 FarahBlackwing wrote:
I'm going to bed, but I still won't answer you moos because its in my filter.

You can't meta someone who has played one game before, its impossible to know how someone generally acts. Game is boring it still is

toodles.


That's your response to his case? Seriously?

I didn't like that either when he first listed it out, but what about the rest of his points? What about the points I brought up in my list post? I read your filter before I went to bed that night and I knew something felt off but I couldn't put my finger on it.

I read filters prior to the lynch, and honestly I wasn't feeling the Breshke lynch was appropriate. Now that Moosy isn't dicking around apparently I'm really glad I didn't lynch him because I thought he had some valid points against you.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 18 2015 13:29 GMT
#945
On November 18 2015 14:46 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2015 04:42 Trfel wrote:
There is clearly a direction in Breshke's filter, and there are also some very insightful comments. The latter is the huge part of Breshke's town play, and it's very present this game.

Looking through Breshke's filter, here's his direction:

Early question to Eversince, ends in town lean
Townread on The Shining
Town lean on geript and ritoky
Scum read on MoosyDoosy
Investigating VisceraEyes
Willing to lynch MoosyDoosy, Fecalfeast, and scott31337, still trying to figure out VisceraEyes
Votes for MoosyDoosy

The interesting thing here is that he's actually engaging with his scumreads and trying to get more information. He questioned VisceraEyes with a very sensible progression. His reads make sense and his pushes all have a followup.

My points on Breshke covered this entirely. Breshke should not be read on his reads. It's about how he interacts with and acts in response to what's happening in the thread. Him blandly asking questions that go no where and lead to no conclusions is part of his scum meta. So what Trfel has pointed towards is specifically his scum meta and Trfel is trying to paint him town for it.


I don't know Trfel and from what I remember of Breshke I don't recall from newbie 13 he was that impactful of a player. I assume you are saying Trfel's is playing beneath expectations since he should know Breshke's meta but I'll let him speak for himself.

If I recall right one of Breshke's pushes was on a player (VE) who was largely afk. He kept pressing for questions. It was also fairly clear that thread leaders/etc were saying "trust us VE is town" or whatever so the chances of VE getting lynched were slim to zero.

Can you or anyone tell me by your expectations what he should have done? Is there an expectation he should know Fecalfeast, scott or Moosy better? That might be the only way he could be scum but this is probably meta-based which is why when he initially brought up Fecalfeast I didn't think anything of it.

I reconsidered considering my initial scumlean on him but not knowing anything else about him I felt the pushes and in general the second page of filter were towny. Am I missing something?
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 18 2015 13:36 GMT
#946
Then I re-read Trfel's post in 914 and my first impression is THAT word, meta. As in "geript should know X"....fuck and geript is also making a read based on a player's expectations.

Fuck my head is spinning.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 18 2015 13:46 GMT
#947
On November 18 2015 07:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 20:29 disformation wrote:
The lack ofproper trains like 8 hours b4 deadline also worries me.

shining wasnt here in ages... maybe setting him on blast will change this...

##unvote
##vote The Shining


voting on phone sucks

WOAH WOAH SOMEONE GO BACK AND CHECK THIS


I told him that Shining is a player that afks for a few days of the week and so his vote to pressure would not have the intended effect. disformation promptly went to work reading filters. this is another example of town tells and mafia tells, yeah he "waffled" like shit and didn't come to conclusions or couldn't and maybe this is because scum don't want to take positions or expose partners maybe but he's demonstrating he is reading the thread and pulling out potential problems. and I think he's a relatively inexperienced player. do newbie scum typically do that? I've been told in the past the answer is no.

the read on scott I felt the same thing - why didn't he follow up on Trfel?

So that latter part is giving me hesitation in screaming fuck it disformation is mafia. Unless you are making the argument that he is posting just for the sake of posting. Because if you are, then that's a lot of shit he has to be putting up for the sake of putting it up. I mean that's a lot of shit, Moosy.

I mean I was doing the same damn thing struggling to decide although I was at the bar at end of cycle so I couldn't post like that but the same principle applies.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 18 2015 14:47 GMT
#950
Just looking at filters I think best cop checks might be VE, Eversince, Fecalfeast.

If we have vig shoot Farah.

Also Fecalfeast I don't think doc/vet is even possible given the OP.

I need to afk for a few hours.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 18 2015 14:52 GMT
#952
On November 18 2015 04:59 The Shining wrote:
I kind of dont wanna lynch Scott just because of past games. Like I don't really like any of his posts, but I've felt that way before because of his activity and seemingly unexplained posts and reads, especially on D1, and he flipped town more than once. Maybe I'm just scared here. But off this game alone, he's on the scum side of null. It doesn't really feel like he's trying to figure out the game, I agree, but I'm not in much position to judge activity wise.

Eversince is not here and still voting Farah. I really don't like it but what can I do when there's a medical excuse involved? And maybe I was nitpicking on her Farrah read, whatever, but I was under the impression a metaread is a read based on how someone played in a past game/games, which is what she did. But I'm not gonna beat a dead horse.

Moosy martyring is horribad and he did in fact do this last game but he isn't voting. That's a modkill risk, anyway. I just hope to god if he is town he actually starts playing if he isn't lynched or modkilled here because if we have to carry that into D2 and I end up in triple lylo again, I'm blaming him.

Farrah feels town, but not as lock town as I had her last game. The last few posts make me feel better about her, even with the switching back and forth on votes. I don't think scum is going to do that unless one is in fact her scum mate but she wants to apparently lynch both so idk.

I honestly don't know what Fecal's done but he was lazy this early last game and ended up helping me figure out the game so idk about him. Null with a slight possibility of lazy town.

Trfel has gotten a lot better since my initial suspicion on him, even though a lot of it recently seems to be centered on Scott.

Disfo's waffliness seems to be off, although I can kind of understand his hesitance on me since he TRd me at first but had nothing to go off on me since I disappeared until now. But he's voting Scott now so idk if it's scum possibly bussing if Scott is scum or if Scott is really gonna flip town D1 again after this.

TLDR I'd lynch Scott, ES, maybe disfo or ff but I'm really iffy on the last 2.

##Vote:Scott31337

Again this was super rushed and I know I have a lot of nulls/town leans but I had a lot to read in a little bit of time so I mostly skimmed filters. I'll be able to do a lot more this night phase and at work tomorrow if I get the chance


Hmmmm it reads as if he really had no idea whom to vote for.
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