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On November 21 2015 05:17 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2015 05:14 disformation wrote:
So. The roleblocker is dead. That means they need two shots for our vet.
Do you know someone who was maybe trying from preventing that from happening? Lol is this a trick question? Trfel. NM to a lesser extent but he's still town to me. Pretty big Breshke wagon too. Unless ES is scum, I'm inclined to think someone bussed
No rhetoric questions, as everyone should know the answer.
On November 21 2015 04:56 NocturneMage wrote:
You've eaten brooms before disformation? Are you baked or something?
Nah. Not literally. Will tell the story after the game or something.
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Added some colour. Went ahead and painted myself green. :p
scott31337 (6): disformation, Trfel, FarahBlackwing, FarahBlackwing, Fecalfeast, disformation, ritoky, The Shining, NocturneMage
MoosyDoosy (4): NocturneMage, disformation, MoosyDoosy, Trfel, disformation, NocturneMage, Breshke, scott31337, ritoky
FarahBlackwing (1): Eversince, VisceraEyes, MoosyDoosy
Fecalfeast (1): VisceraEyes
Breshke (1): geript, FarahBlackwing, disformation
The Shining (0): FarahBlackwing, ritoky, disformation
Trfel (0): scott31337
VisceraEyes (0): NocturneMage, NocturneMage
mooseydoosey (0): Fecalfeast, Fecalfeast
disinformation (0): FarahBlackwing
Breshke (5): FarahBlackwing, disformation, NocturneMage, Damdred, Fecalfeast, ritoky, The Shining
Trfel (2): Fecalfeast, MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage
farahblackwing (1): MoosyDoosy, FarahBlackwing, Trfel
Fecalfeast (1): Trfel
farahbackwing (0): NocturneMage
Not Voting (2): Breshke, Eversince
D2 votes imply that if there was no bussing of the Roleblocker it has to be Trfel and Eversince. Otherwise at least 1 person had to bus. From the timing I would suggest one of the last three votes on Breshke for the bus.
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So I suggest looking at the reasons for voting again.
Oh wait... didn't FF do a good post on Breshke and ritoky was super suspicious of FF? But then rit did vote together with FF?
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On November 20 2015 11:13 ritoky wrote:
pretty good post by trfel about ff. + trfel angry might mean trfel the town out of trfel/breshke and i was just wrong.
pretty good post by ff about breshke. hate that it took a good case on him to prompt it though.
On November 20 2015 14:17 ritoky wrote:
it still really irks me that ff only did something after he got cased.
random thought: if breshke is mafia, ff can still easily be with him.
On November 20 2015 14:25 ritoky wrote:
##vote: breshke
also in support of a shining or ever lynch. might be convinced of an ff lynch.
Why is he voting Breshke together with FF who he suspects and kinda wants to lynch, too?
And why is he suggesting to lynch two ppl who are very afk at that time?
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Yeah... I kinda want to lynch ritoky now...
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Also ritoky was trying to push for trfel over Breshke earlier D2...
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On November 21 2015 06:08 disformation wrote:
Also ritoky was trying to push for trfel over Breshke earlier D2...
On November 20 2015 07:27 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2015 07:03 disformation wrote:
ritoky can you explain why you want to lynch trfel? 2 reasons primarily: 1) The following sentence is probably the most awkward/scummy sentence in the entire thread. Show nested quote +On November 18 2015 04:21 Trfel wrote:
Wait, what the heck?
This push onto Breshke is so mafia-motivated. I don't trust geript at all here.
Look at scott31337's townread of geript. He just says that geript is a top town.
Notice that he repeatedly says "Trfel could be scum or he could be town" in response to me solving the game and pushing my ideas.
He never describes any difference between me and geript, just uses the fact that I had one good game as scum to avoid townreading me. But geript is better than me at mafia, by far, and scott31337 knows this. It's impossible for him not to know that geript is extremely skilled as mafia.
So now geript comes up with this push out of nowhere to prevent scott31337 from being lynched?
I don't like this one bit. 2) Trfel procedurally understands the game enough to not push relentlessly on an uncc'd blue. There's a difference between "I scum read this person for a couple posts to make sure they hold their claim" and what he was doing. He was legitimately applying pressure. I had begun to consider the tinfoil world where he might be doctor, but damdred enters the game maintains the claim, and he backs off. So it wasn't cc based, it wasn't good play, so it was probably just mafia. Reasons why I greatly prefer trfel to breshke: 1) I think trfel has done mafia things, I don't think breshke has done much of anything. Breshke is in the pile of ff and ever of not doing anything to significantly impact the game and 1 or 2 of them are probably mafia. 2) 1 of the primary reasons for people pushing breshke (geript's isolated questions and blah blah read) was just factually false. 3) I don't think trfel and breshke are together and I think trfel is mafia. I say this primarily because of setup. It is a set-up with only a 50% chance of having investigative power and a guaranteed GF. This means that distancing and busing are more optimal than hard defense and aligning; and trfel has been REALLY defending breshke (like since p1 of his filter defending) pretty much all game. I think both trfel and breshke are good enough players to recognize that about the setup and I sincerely doubt that trfel hard defends his partner so early. Probably a case of mafia trying to pocket town. imo lynch pool right now should be something like: trfel - reasons above ever - already said why ff - hasn't shit town rainbow yet, disengaged shining - same as before + extra dropoff + not scum hunting.
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Also:
Holy fuck! geript gave us 4 meta reads D1 and it looks like every single one of them is correct.
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On November 21 2015 06:25 The Shining wrote:
Ritoky and 1 of ES/FF. Damdred and Moosy are blue. I have a really tough time finding mafia motivation in any of NMs posts. I think Breshke spewed disfo town. Trfel likely frustrated angry town. That's what poe leaves me with.
Quoted for truth.
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On November 21 2015 06:48 Damdred wrote:
Can you show me where disf got spewed town though I think he's town.
Uh, that is actually a good question. Went trough breshke's filter real fast and wasn't able to find it. 
Looked more like he ignored me for a very long time, asks me 1-2 questions and decides to call me scum.
Well, whatever, I am still very town and agree with The Shinings post.
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Well, if you are not maffay. Who is?
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On November 21 2015 07:56 ritoky wrote:
so it's actually like 98% impossible disformation is ever mafia, maybe even 99%
My role PM says, it is 100% impossible for me to be mafia.
But where did that come from? It is a bit out of the blue for me? If I recall correctly the last time I was on the very bottom of your town list.
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Was glancing at this thread from the side. Suddenly ticktoc. Hi Onegu. 
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Before the replacement I would have shot Eversince. Now I am curious what Onegu has to say.
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On November 21 2015 09:45 disformation wrote:Before the replacement I would have shot Eversince. Now I am curious what Onegu has to say.
With the hypothetical gun that is.
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On November 21 2015 09:47 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2015 09:46 Fecalfeast wrote:On November 21 2015 09:41 disformation wrote:Was glancing at this thread from the side. Suddenly ticktoc. Hi Onegu. No additional input on ritoky vs shining? Beat me to it.
Was playing Wasteland 2 for a bit. Impressions after skimming the exchange again:
Don't think ritokys "case" on The Shining is a strong one, but I want him to calm down and write up a proper one to look at that. Slightly confused as to the switching of FF and NM in his PoE though. He also has Trfel in that PoE...
I guess D3 will be a hard one.
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On November 21 2015 09:55 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2015 09:47 The Shining wrote:On November 21 2015 09:46 Fecalfeast wrote:On November 21 2015 09:41 disformation wrote:Was glancing at this thread from the side. Suddenly ticktoc. Hi Onegu. No additional input on ritoky vs shining? Beat me to it. Was playing Wasteland 2 for a bit. Impressions after skimming the exchange again: Don't think ritokys "case" on The Shining is a strong one, but I want him to calm down and write up a proper one to look at that. Slightly confused as to the switching of FF and NM in his PoE though. He also has Trfel in that PoE... I guess D3 will be a hard one.
Wait... I might have missread that list post from him... was that purely for the hypothetical gun question?
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On November 21 2015 10:14 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2015 10:09 ritoky wrote:
yo shining, imagine a world i am town (like i did earlier w/ you and cuz it is the real world) what 3 lynches win the game? I just started imagining this world after the disfo stuff I just posted. Disfo, Onegu(this damn question mark), NM. NM is a gut feeling and wouldn't ever go before the other 2. Fecal could also replace NM but I'm really liking him lately. Or maybe Trfel? But after the Breshke flip, I'm pretty sure Trfel is town. Hard defense and pushing off of him on 6-1 is too suicidal.
The real tinfoil killer team is disformation/MoosyDoosy/ritoky with eversince/onegu as the real vigi.
+ Show Spoiler +If someone takes that serious I am going to be very not pleased.
And when I say I am like a leaf in the wind, I mean it.
When I looked at _my_ readprogression of ritoky I looked at _my_ filter for _my_ posts on him.
And as I admitted my ritoky read was mostly tonal. So when I looked at his filter _after_ the breshke flip I was able to see some things I wasn't able to see before.
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On November 21 2015 10:20 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2015 10:11 ritoky wrote:
disform's read have been flipping on a dime all game based on thread sentiment; it is nothing new. he is probably just easily influenced town though cuz of the post where he suggested lynching himself early and his sheeping onto breshke day 1. of non-conf town he is the most town in the game; not even close to being close. I mean, isn't that normally a scum tell? It is for me. And he was well aware that he's done it in all his past town games so its not like he can't use that card to his advantage. How early/late did he sheep onto Breshke? I have to check that, cuz a vote is always changeable until EoD. And I'll go reread the post where he suggested lynching himself because he's been pretty much a pass for everyone recently. I'm wondering how genuine that suggestion was.
On November 21 2015 05:50 disformation wrote:
Added some colour. Went ahead and painted myself green. :p
scott31337 (6): disformation, Trfel, FarahBlackwing, FarahBlackwing, Fecalfeast, disformation, ritoky, The Shining, NocturneMage
MoosyDoosy (4): NocturneMage, disformation, MoosyDoosy, Trfel, disformation, NocturneMage, Breshke, scott31337, ritoky
FarahBlackwing (1): Eversince, VisceraEyes, MoosyDoosy
Fecalfeast (1): VisceraEyes
Breshke (1): geript, FarahBlackwing, disformation
The Shining (0): FarahBlackwing, ritoky, disformation
Trfel (0): scott31337
VisceraEyes (0): NocturneMage, NocturneMage
mooseydoosey (0): Fecalfeast, Fecalfeast
disinformation (0): FarahBlackwing
Breshke (5): FarahBlackwing, disformation, NocturneMage, Damdred, Fecalfeast, ritoky, The Shining
Trfel (2): Fecalfeast, MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage
farahblackwing (1): MoosyDoosy, FarahBlackwing, Trfel
Fecalfeast (1): Trfel
farahbackwing (0): NocturneMage
Not Voting (2): Breshke, Eversince
D2 votes imply that if there was no bussing of the Roleblocker it has to be Trfel and Eversince. Otherwise at least 1 person had to bus. From the timing I would suggest one of the last three votes on Breshke for the bus.
3rd D1 on Breskhe
1st/2nd on D2, depending on how you count Farah
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On November 21 2015 10:32 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2015 10:28 ritoky wrote:On November 21 2015 10:20 The Shining wrote:On November 21 2015 10:11 ritoky wrote:
disform's read have been flipping on a dime all game based on thread sentiment; it is nothing new. he is probably just easily influenced town though cuz of the post where he suggested lynching himself early and his sheeping onto breshke day 1. of non-conf town he is the most town in the game; not even close to being close. I mean, isn't that normally a scum tell? It is for me. And he was well aware that he's done it in all his past town games so its not like he can't use that card to his advantage. How early/late did he sheep onto Breshke? I have to check that, cuz a vote is always changeable until EoD. And I'll go reread the post where he suggested lynching himself because he's been pretty much a pass for everyone recently. I'm wondering how genuine that suggestion was. Normally it is a scum tell yes. But he is a new player right? And haven't like all other new players subbed out of this game so this is basically a 0 newbie game? I can see being swayed. Idk, maybe...it is just hard for me to see many new players have the gusto to suggest lynching themselves immediately. And he was very quick onto breshke...also kinda quick off too. Iirc this is his 5th or 6th game? So that does make sense. But if he were scum, it would be his first game. This is def reaching but you never know if he was overwhelmed by rolling scum and took a gambit with suggesting we lynch him. That's not something I can ever tell or prove tho. Like, his waffliness only makes me waffle on him so hard. It's a vicious cycle. =/
This is my 4th game.
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