On October 19 2015 22:42 sicklucker wrote: well he didnt post that much but he had no fluff posts and he certainly didnt open like that. his opening was heavilty coached either by scum or town i have no idea. No one free flow posts like that
Just letting you know you obtained day 1 100% townread status for this post. Congratz. I know it means a lot for you.
On October 19 2015 22:44 sicklucker wrote: like he starts with scott "easy town read"
then he follows up on the next guy "not much to read on" like you could have used that on scott lol. Then he just lists the two easy people as scum
mm OK. I know as scum I had a hard time listing multiple people as potential scum, as I didn't want them to suspect me. So I'm thinking a newbie scum wouldn't list 3 people as scum in his first serious post. Maybe I'm underestimating him though.
On October 19 2015 08:02 boxerfred wrote: my moosy read sucks I agree but I still think he's scum, boom. he's doing the same spammy shit he did when we played together. kelsier/farah town. sicklucker hasn't done batshit but oneliners but if i remember correctly, it's not scum indicative for him. dunnno how kelsier townreads him off of that but he does. eversince's post on kelsier is shit, those quotations are kinda standalone and feel tryhard. that makes me townread him.
##vote lonemeow
Enters thread in defense of GB, then votes kelsier for no reason. Goes on to interact with Rels, doesn't follow up.
On October 18 2015 21:49 LoneMeow wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:46 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:32 LoneMeow wrote: GlowingBear is Top town for me right now, not only did he get the game to move on from the "joke" phase but there's also this:
On October 18 2015 05:58 GlowingBear wrote: There is no such thing as "deciding a meta". You play to win and that's all.
This is town thinking.
As for the FarahBlackwing, there's a ParanOid scenario I can see where the whole thing was orchestrated in advance but that's not relevant for now, I suppose. Unflipped players and all that.
On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote: GlowingBear's list post: Before looking in detail at what he posted it feels too early to be making a list post. Half the game hasn't posted, it doesn't feel correct. Furthermore I can't understand why he feels the need to make a list post for one townlean that Has doubt to it, one scumlean and then just null players. the only post that anyone would have cared about at all was him calling me scummy.
Why wouldn't he make a list post? Some reads are needed to get the "serious" phase of the game started, I don't quite see that list post being scum motivated at all.
On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote: His scumread of me is, in typical GB fashion, wrong. I've explained my post above. The Rest of his list doesn't make logical Sense to me but again that is typical GB. I WanT to wait and see but if the lynch was now i'd lynch GB and Moosy.
So the read is wrong (ie. he's town misreading) but you'd WanT to lynch him (ie. he's scum)? What?
again where did I say he was town?
reading is really hard for some people.
If his read on you is wrong then you are clearly implying he's town. Scum doesn't have "right" or "wrong" reads.
This is constructed bullshit. In the context of that conversation, start of D1, there's no way for that kind of thinking. It's constructed and puts pressure on KSC for the sake of, well, pressuring, while still leaving the vote without any reasons. Stirring up chaos and setting up a potential mislynch.
On October 18 2015 22:06 LoneMeow wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:59 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:58 LoneMeow wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:54 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:53 LoneMeow wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:51 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:49 LoneMeow wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:46 KelsierSC wrote: [quote]
again where did I say he was town?
reading is really hard for some people.
If his read on you is wrong then you are clearly implying he's town. Scum doesn't have "right" or "wrong" reads.
no it just says he is wrong.
Okay, so why exactly is he scum? Why was the list post bad at the time it was made, besides being a list post? To me it seems much more like town mentality to try to get the game moving in a more serious direction after the "joke phase" as some call it.
how is this of any value if you already decided he was town?
I'm interested in your alignment, and you explaining your though process and logic helps in that.
then why vote me before asking?
Vote is also a tool to provoke reactions.
Why do you not want to help me figure out your alignment?
So he provoked a reaction from Kelsier. Now that the wagon kind of started, he's nowhere to be seen. So all we have is a push on kelsier because "well I can and a vote is pressure". That feels like scum stirring up chaos to me.
Before we go any further into this, I want to know: a) Have you read the entire thread or just skimmed some parts? b) What's your read on Rels and why?
On October 19 2015 08:02 boxerfred wrote: my moosy read sucks I agree but I still think he's scum, boom. he's doing the same spammy shit he did when we played together. kelsier/farah town. sicklucker hasn't done batshit but oneliners but if i remember correctly, it's not scum indicative for him. dunnno how kelsier townreads him off of that but he does. eversince's post on kelsier is shit, those quotations are kinda standalone and feel tryhard. that makes me townread him.
##vote lonemeow
Enters thread in defense of GB, then votes kelsier for no reason. Goes on to interact with Rels, doesn't follow up.
On October 18 2015 21:49 LoneMeow wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:46 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:32 LoneMeow wrote: GlowingBear is Top town for me right now, not only did he get the game to move on from the "joke" phase but there's also this:
On October 18 2015 05:58 GlowingBear wrote: There is no such thing as "deciding a meta". You play to win and that's all.
This is town thinking.
As for the FarahBlackwing, there's a ParanOid scenario I can see where the whole thing was orchestrated in advance but that's not relevant for now, I suppose. Unflipped players and all that.
On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote: GlowingBear's list post: Before looking in detail at what he posted it feels too early to be making a list post. Half the game hasn't posted, it doesn't feel correct. Furthermore I can't understand why he feels the need to make a list post for one townlean that Has doubt to it, one scumlean and then just null players. the only post that anyone would have cared about at all was him calling me scummy.
Why wouldn't he make a list post? Some reads are needed to get the "serious" phase of the game started, I don't quite see that list post being scum motivated at all.
On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote: His scumread of me is, in typical GB fashion, wrong. I've explained my post above. The Rest of his list doesn't make logical Sense to me but again that is typical GB. I WanT to wait and see but if the lynch was now i'd lynch GB and Moosy.
So the read is wrong (ie. he's town misreading) but you'd WanT to lynch him (ie. he's scum)? What?
again where did I say he was town?
reading is really hard for some people.
If his read on you is wrong then you are clearly implying he's town. Scum doesn't have "right" or "wrong" reads.
This is constructed bullshit. In the context of that conversation, start of D1, there's no way for that kind of thinking. It's constructed and puts pressure on KSC for the sake of, well, pressuring, while still leaving the vote without any reasons. Stirring up chaos and setting up a potential mislynch.
On October 18 2015 22:06 LoneMeow wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:59 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:58 LoneMeow wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:54 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:53 LoneMeow wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:51 KelsierSC wrote: [quote]
no it just says he is wrong.
Okay, so why exactly is he scum? Why was the list post bad at the time it was made, besides being a list post? To me it seems much more like town mentality to try to get the game moving in a more serious direction after the "joke phase" as some call it.
how is this of any value if you already decided he was town?
I'm interested in your alignment, and you explaining your though process and logic helps in that.
then why vote me before asking?
Vote is also a tool to provoke reactions.
Why do you not want to help me figure out your alignment?
So he provoked a reaction from Kelsier. Now that the wagon kind of started, he's nowhere to be seen. So all we have is a push on kelsier because "well I can and a vote is pressure". That feels like scum stirring up chaos to me.
Before we go any further into this, I want to know: a) Have you read the entire thread or just skimmed some parts? b) What's your read on Rels and why?
Can you answer the same question pretty please ?
I skimmed some MoosyDoosy's posts, for some reason they give me a headache.
So when you answered BF's posts above, you had already read the whole thread ?
On October 19 2015 23:45 LoneMeow wrote: And I read you as fairly strong town lean. I like the posts where you refuted Eversince's case on KelsierSC and the points on the MoosyDoosy/Vonthin affair.
I'm not sure I agree on MoosyDoosy being scum though, there are some posts that seem fairly emotional in a way that I think would be hard to emulate as scum. For example this:
On October 19 2015 09:32 MoosyDoosy wrote: I kind of want to be lynched just to see boxerfred's reaction. Him thinking he can read me off of one game is pretty funny.
What do you make of boxerfred's switch from me to scott31337?
Nothing alignment indicative about the switch. I noticed that his arguments for scumreading you were super bad though. Don't you think ?
On October 19 2015 22:08 MoosyDoosy wrote: Like I've already explained why I responded the way I did. I didn't read the thread properly so didn't want to give a proper answer before I evaluated things but Kels was a bum and kept pressing me to go into what I was doing in real life to explain why I wasn't re-evaluating things. That's basically it lol.
That's not what you first said though. You said and quoted and proved that you put Vonthin from townlean to null for his list post. Only after you said you didn't take the time to read his list post. So either you're changing your story, or you're saying you put Vonthin from townlean to null for a post you didn't read.
smh I said I skimmed it and it struck an odd chord so I dropped him and resolved to look into it later. good job at reading comprehension for the tenth game Rels.
LOL you're so scum. Keep defending yourself instead of scumhunting bro. Or even reading the post you said you would read like 20 hours ago. Eversince is probably scum too, the case above is solid. scott is 99% scum. Man is this game really that easy ?
YOU WILL ALL DROP WHAT YOU RE DOING RIGHT NOW TO LISTEN TO THIS FUCKING THING
On October 19 2015 08:02 boxerfred wrote: my moosy read sucks I agree but I still think he's scum, boom. he's doing the same spammy shit he did when we played together. kelsier/farah town. sicklucker hasn't done batshit but oneliners but if i remember correctly, it's not scum indicative for him. dunnno how kelsier townreads him off of that but he does. eversince's post on kelsier is shit, those quotations are kinda standalone and feel tryhard. that makes me townread him.
##vote lonemeow
Enters thread in defense of GB, then votes kelsier for no reason. Goes on to interact with Rels, doesn't follow up.
On October 18 2015 21:49 LoneMeow wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:46 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:32 LoneMeow wrote: GlowingBear is Top town for me right now, not only did he get the game to move on from the "joke" phase but there's also this:
On October 18 2015 05:58 GlowingBear wrote: There is no such thing as "deciding a meta". You play to win and that's all.
This is town thinking.
As for the FarahBlackwing, there's a ParanOid scenario I can see where the whole thing was orchestrated in advance but that's not relevant for now, I suppose. Unflipped players and all that.
On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote: GlowingBear's list post: Before looking in detail at what he posted it feels too early to be making a list post. Half the game hasn't posted, it doesn't feel correct. Furthermore I can't understand why he feels the need to make a list post for one townlean that Has doubt to it, one scumlean and then just null players. the only post that anyone would have cared about at all was him calling me scummy.
Why wouldn't he make a list post? Some reads are needed to get the "serious" phase of the game started, I don't quite see that list post being scum motivated at all.
On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote: His scumread of me is, in typical GB fashion, wrong. I've explained my post above. The Rest of his list doesn't make logical Sense to me but again that is typical GB. I WanT to wait and see but if the lynch was now i'd lynch GB and Moosy.
So the read is wrong (ie. he's town misreading) but you'd WanT to lynch him (ie. he's scum)? What?
again where did I say he was town?
reading is really hard for some people.
If his read on you is wrong then you are clearly implying he's town. Scum doesn't have "right" or "wrong" reads.
This is constructed bullshit. In the context of that conversation, start of D1, there's no way for that kind of thinking. It's constructed and puts pressure on KSC for the sake of, well, pressuring, while still leaving the vote without any reasons. Stirring up chaos and setting up a potential mislynch.
On October 18 2015 22:06 LoneMeow wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:59 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:58 LoneMeow wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:54 KelsierSC wrote: [quote]
how is this of any value if you already decided he was town?
I'm interested in your alignment, and you explaining your though process and logic helps in that.
then why vote me before asking?
Vote is also a tool to provoke reactions.
Why do you not want to help me figure out your alignment?
So he provoked a reaction from Kelsier. Now that the wagon kind of started, he's nowhere to be seen. So all we have is a push on kelsier because "well I can and a vote is pressure". That feels like scum stirring up chaos to me.
Before we go any further into this, I want to know: a) Have you read the entire thread or just skimmed some parts? b) What's your read on Rels and why?
Can you answer the same question pretty please ?
I skimmed some MoosyDoosy's posts, for some reason they give me a headache.
So when you answered BF's posts above, you had already read the whole thread ?
I started writing it before I had finished but posted it after.
Oh yeah ? In this post you both asked BF if he had read the thread properly and asked for his read on me:
On October 19 2015 08:02 boxerfred wrote: my moosy read sucks I agree but I still think he's scum, boom. he's doing the same spammy shit he did when we played together. kelsier/farah town. sicklucker hasn't done batshit but oneliners but if i remember correctly, it's not scum indicative for him. dunnno how kelsier townreads him off of that but he does. eversince's post on kelsier is shit, those quotations are kinda standalone and feel tryhard. that makes me townread him.
##vote lonemeow
Enters thread in defense of GB, then votes kelsier for no reason. Goes on to interact with Rels, doesn't follow up.
On October 18 2015 21:49 LoneMeow wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:46 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:32 LoneMeow wrote: GlowingBear is Top town for me right now, not only did he get the game to move on from the "joke" phase but there's also this:
On October 18 2015 05:58 GlowingBear wrote: There is no such thing as "deciding a meta". You play to win and that's all.
This is town thinking.
As for the FarahBlackwing, there's a ParanOid scenario I can see where the whole thing was orchestrated in advance but that's not relevant for now, I suppose. Unflipped players and all that.
On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote: GlowingBear's list post: Before looking in detail at what he posted it feels too early to be making a list post. Half the game hasn't posted, it doesn't feel correct. Furthermore I can't understand why he feels the need to make a list post for one townlean that Has doubt to it, one scumlean and then just null players. the only post that anyone would have cared about at all was him calling me scummy.
Why wouldn't he make a list post? Some reads are needed to get the "serious" phase of the game started, I don't quite see that list post being scum motivated at all.
On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote: His scumread of me is, in typical GB fashion, wrong. I've explained my post above. The Rest of his list doesn't make logical Sense to me but again that is typical GB. I WanT to wait and see but if the lynch was now i'd lynch GB and Moosy.
So the read is wrong (ie. he's town misreading) but you'd WanT to lynch him (ie. he's scum)? What?
again where did I say he was town?
reading is really hard for some people.
If his read on you is wrong then you are clearly implying he's town. Scum doesn't have "right" or "wrong" reads.
This is constructed bullshit. In the context of that conversation, start of D1, there's no way for that kind of thinking. It's constructed and puts pressure on KSC for the sake of, well, pressuring, while still leaving the vote without any reasons. Stirring up chaos and setting up a potential mislynch.
On October 18 2015 22:06 LoneMeow wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:59 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:58 LoneMeow wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:54 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:53 LoneMeow wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:51 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:49 LoneMeow wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:46 KelsierSC wrote: [quote]
again where did I say he was town?
reading is really hard for some people.
If his read on you is wrong then you are clearly implying he's town. Scum doesn't have "right" or "wrong" reads.
no it just says he is wrong.
Okay, so why exactly is he scum? Why was the list post bad at the time it was made, besides being a list post? To me it seems much more like town mentality to try to get the game moving in a more serious direction after the "joke phase" as some call it.
how is this of any value if you already decided he was town?
I'm interested in your alignment, and you explaining your though process and logic helps in that.
then why vote me before asking?
Vote is also a tool to provoke reactions.
Why do you not want to help me figure out your alignment?
So he provoked a reaction from Kelsier. Now that the wagon kind of started, he's nowhere to be seen. So all we have is a push on kelsier because "well I can and a vote is pressure". That feels like scum stirring up chaos to me.
Before we go any further into this, I want to know: a) Have you read the entire thread or just skimmed some parts? b) What's your read on Rels and why?
You just said you had read the thread completely before posting this. Seems that you missed something ??
On October 19 2015 19:59 boxerfred wrote: Moosy/scott interaction is also interesting because of this:
On October 18 2015 05:15 MoosyDoosy wrote: Also I kind of regret signing up for BH games in the first place. I always roll town in them which is getting super super boring.
This seems like your trying to push this a little too much - just a thought here...
On October 18 2015 05:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 18 2015 05:25 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 18 2015 05:21 MoosyDoosy wrote: GB can i bus you again?
And there is a QT to discuss this Moosy, you shouldn't be telling that to everyone else
welp too late.
##Vote: GlowingBear
And a shit early vote.
Now he's spamming up the thread.
I'm not caring for this play so far.
GB is a slight townlean - and that's about it.
I don't think this is a scum interaction. Moosy pushes me, scott nullifies that plus points out negative things in moosy's playstyle. So I don't think at all they are mafia together. Scott keeps it up:
On October 18 2015 06:38 MoosyDoosy wrote: I mean. I'll give you guys a legitimate reason to scumread me if you want it. Right now the stuff ya'll are flinging is weak.
On October 18 2015 06:38 MoosyDoosy wrote: I mean. I'll give you guys a legitimate reason to scumread me if you want it. Right now the stuff ya'll are flinging is weak.
Explain your vote on GB like I'm five years old.
I decide to have a bit of fun as GB was my Mafia partner in the game where I doubled bused my partners. As a result, I ask him as a joke if I can bus him this game. GB understands the joke and says that I should say it in the QT. As a continuation of the joke I say it's too late and remark that I'll be confirmed town after the "bus" and then vote for GB.
Just was making sure - Thank you.
To Shining on the GB read - a bit of meta (I've guessed him correctly the last three games) - a bit of playfulness and making sense. I mean I didn't like Kelsier's entrance persay either, but I was going to wait until later in the day to see if he shows up. I didn't see anything else really worth pointing out when I read the thread.
And now he disappears. I mean I can see the things on scott but I can't imagine scum scott and scum moosy interacting in that way that early in the game, it just doesn't make sense. So I'd say we have scum in between moosy/scott but I wouldn't say both are scum. I townread kels and I clearly townread rels from what I see so i'm glad to help on that wagon.
##unvote ##vote scott12345
So you read the thread, you read BF's posts I assume because he's someone you suspect; but you have missed that he townread me ?
On October 19 2015 23:45 LoneMeow wrote: And I read you as fairly strong town lean. I like the posts where you refuted Eversince's case on KelsierSC and the points on the MoosyDoosy/Vonthin affair.
I'm not sure I agree on MoosyDoosy being scum though, there are some posts that seem fairly emotional in a way that I think would be hard to emulate as scum. For example this:
On October 19 2015 09:32 MoosyDoosy wrote: I kind of want to be lynched just to see boxerfred's reaction. Him thinking he can read me off of one game is pretty funny.
What do you make of boxerfred's switch from me to scott31337?
Nothing alignment indicative about the switch. I noticed that his arguments for scumreading you were super bad though. Don't you think ?
To me the switch seemed kind of opportunistic, like he was trying to push me and then just jumped to someone else when that didn't stick. Note how all the reasons he uses to call scott31337 scum are already out when he makes his case on me - so it frankly doesn't make sense to me that he'd case me first, then just jump off like that.
Re evaluating is a town indicative thing. It super weird to me that you put suspicion on BF on re evaluating reads, which is town indicative; and not on his god awful case on you.
On October 20 2015 01:09 MoosyDoosy wrote: If you had read the thread, I did read the post and gave thoughts. But reading comprehension for the 10th game Rels. gj
On October 19 2015 03:18 FarahBlackwing wrote: You know what you just said doesn't negate anything I've said right?
Yes it does. I have had strong scum reads in the past just like now and you saying otherwise doesn't change that fact.
I checked back on Vonthin and he's still a null. I mainly want his thoughts on what Rels said about scott. I also remembered the thing that people brought up about him but he also answered that somewhat. mmm...not much to go on so far.
This right ? Great read. Such insight gained from your question. <= Irony Now can you comment what SL and I said about him ?
On October 19 2015 08:02 boxerfred wrote: my moosy read sucks I agree but I still think he's scum, boom. he's doing the same spammy shit he did when we played together. kelsier/farah town. sicklucker hasn't done batshit but oneliners but if i remember correctly, it's not scum indicative for him. dunnno how kelsier townreads him off of that but he does. eversince's post on kelsier is shit, those quotations are kinda standalone and feel tryhard. that makes me townread him.
##vote lonemeow
Enters thread in defense of GB, then votes kelsier for no reason. Goes on to interact with Rels, doesn't follow up.
On October 18 2015 21:49 LoneMeow wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:46 KelsierSC wrote: [quote]
again where did I say he was town?
reading is really hard for some people.
If his read on you is wrong then you are clearly implying he's town. Scum doesn't have "right" or "wrong" reads.
This is constructed bullshit. In the context of that conversation, start of D1, there's no way for that kind of thinking. It's constructed and puts pressure on KSC for the sake of, well, pressuring, while still leaving the vote without any reasons. Stirring up chaos and setting up a potential mislynch.
On October 18 2015 22:06 LoneMeow wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:59 KelsierSC wrote: [quote]
then why vote me before asking?
Vote is also a tool to provoke reactions.
Why do you not want to help me figure out your alignment?
So he provoked a reaction from Kelsier. Now that the wagon kind of started, he's nowhere to be seen. So all we have is a push on kelsier because "well I can and a vote is pressure". That feels like scum stirring up chaos to me.
Before we go any further into this, I want to know: a) Have you read the entire thread or just skimmed some parts? b) What's your read on Rels and why?
Can you answer the same question pretty please ?
I skimmed some MoosyDoosy's posts, for some reason they give me a headache.
So when you answered BF's posts above, you had already read the whole thread ?
I started writing it before I had finished but posted it after.
Oh yeah ? In this post you both asked BF if he had read the thread properly and asked for his read on me:
On October 19 2015 23:20 LoneMeow wrote:
On October 19 2015 08:02 boxerfred wrote: my moosy read sucks I agree but I still think he's scum, boom. he's doing the same spammy shit he did when we played together. kelsier/farah town. sicklucker hasn't done batshit but oneliners but if i remember correctly, it's not scum indicative for him. dunnno how kelsier townreads him off of that but he does. eversince's post on kelsier is shit, those quotations are kinda standalone and feel tryhard. that makes me townread him.
##vote lonemeow
Enters thread in defense of GB, then votes kelsier for no reason. Goes on to interact with Rels, doesn't follow up.
On October 18 2015 21:49 LoneMeow wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:46 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:32 LoneMeow wrote: GlowingBear is Top town for me right now, not only did he get the game to move on from the "joke" phase but there's also this:
On October 18 2015 05:58 GlowingBear wrote: There is no such thing as "deciding a meta". You play to win and that's all.
This is town thinking.
As for the FarahBlackwing, there's a ParanOid scenario I can see where the whole thing was orchestrated in advance but that's not relevant for now, I suppose. Unflipped players and all that.
On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote: GlowingBear's list post: Before looking in detail at what he posted it feels too early to be making a list post. Half the game hasn't posted, it doesn't feel correct. Furthermore I can't understand why he feels the need to make a list post for one townlean that Has doubt to it, one scumlean and then just null players. the only post that anyone would have cared about at all was him calling me scummy.
Why wouldn't he make a list post? Some reads are needed to get the "serious" phase of the game started, I don't quite see that list post being scum motivated at all.
On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote: His scumread of me is, in typical GB fashion, wrong. I've explained my post above. The Rest of his list doesn't make logical Sense to me but again that is typical GB. I WanT to wait and see but if the lynch was now i'd lynch GB and Moosy.
So the read is wrong (ie. he's town misreading) but you'd WanT to lynch him (ie. he's scum)? What?
again where did I say he was town?
reading is really hard for some people.
If his read on you is wrong then you are clearly implying he's town. Scum doesn't have "right" or "wrong" reads.
This is constructed bullshit. In the context of that conversation, start of D1, there's no way for that kind of thinking. It's constructed and puts pressure on KSC for the sake of, well, pressuring, while still leaving the vote without any reasons. Stirring up chaos and setting up a potential mislynch.
On October 18 2015 22:06 LoneMeow wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:59 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:58 LoneMeow wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:54 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:53 LoneMeow wrote:
On October 18 2015 21:51 KelsierSC wrote: [quote]
no it just says he is wrong.
Okay, so why exactly is he scum? Why was the list post bad at the time it was made, besides being a list post? To me it seems much more like town mentality to try to get the game moving in a more serious direction after the "joke phase" as some call it.
how is this of any value if you already decided he was town?
I'm interested in your alignment, and you explaining your though process and logic helps in that.
then why vote me before asking?
Vote is also a tool to provoke reactions.
Why do you not want to help me figure out your alignment?
So he provoked a reaction from Kelsier. Now that the wagon kind of started, he's nowhere to be seen. So all we have is a push on kelsier because "well I can and a vote is pressure". That feels like scum stirring up chaos to me.
Before we go any further into this, I want to know: a) Have you read the entire thread or just skimmed some parts? b) What's your read on Rels and why?
You just said you had read the thread completely before posting this. Seems that you missed something ??
On October 19 2015 19:59 boxerfred wrote: Moosy/scott interaction is also interesting because of this:
On October 18 2015 06:33 scott31337 wrote:
On October 18 2015 05:15 MoosyDoosy wrote: Also I kind of regret signing up for BH games in the first place. I always roll town in them which is getting super super boring.
This seems like your trying to push this a little too much - just a thought here...
On October 18 2015 05:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 18 2015 05:25 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 18 2015 05:21 MoosyDoosy wrote: GB can i bus you again?
And there is a QT to discuss this Moosy, you shouldn't be telling that to everyone else
welp too late.
##Vote: GlowingBear
And a shit early vote.
Now he's spamming up the thread.
I'm not caring for this play so far.
GB is a slight townlean - and that's about it.
I don't think this is a scum interaction. Moosy pushes me, scott nullifies that plus points out negative things in moosy's playstyle. So I don't think at all they are mafia together. Scott keeps it up:
On October 18 2015 06:57 scott31337 wrote:
On October 18 2015 06:38 MoosyDoosy wrote: I mean. I'll give you guys a legitimate reason to scumread me if you want it. Right now the stuff ya'll are flinging is weak.
Explain your vote on GB like I'm five years old.
Pressure, questions, and then he drops it:
On October 18 2015 07:35 scott31337 wrote:
On October 18 2015 07:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 18 2015 06:57 scott31337 wrote:
On October 18 2015 06:38 MoosyDoosy wrote: I mean. I'll give you guys a legitimate reason to scumread me if you want it. Right now the stuff ya'll are flinging is weak.
Explain your vote on GB like I'm five years old.
I decide to have a bit of fun as GB was my Mafia partner in the game where I doubled bused my partners. As a result, I ask him as a joke if I can bus him this game. GB understands the joke and says that I should say it in the QT. As a continuation of the joke I say it's too late and remark that I'll be confirmed town after the "bus" and then vote for GB.
Just was making sure - Thank you.
To Shining on the GB read - a bit of meta (I've guessed him correctly the last three games) - a bit of playfulness and making sense. I mean I didn't like Kelsier's entrance persay either, but I was going to wait until later in the day to see if he shows up. I didn't see anything else really worth pointing out when I read the thread.
And now he disappears. I mean I can see the things on scott but I can't imagine scum scott and scum moosy interacting in that way that early in the game, it just doesn't make sense. So I'd say we have scum in between moosy/scott but I wouldn't say both are scum. I townread kels and I clearly townread rels from what I see so i'm glad to help on that wagon.
##unvote ##vote scott12345
So you read the thread, you read BF's posts I assume because he's someone you suspect; but you have missed that he townread me ?
Do note that I asked him why which was what I was mostly interested in.
So you knew BF was townreading me at the time you posted ?
On October 19 2015 23:45 LoneMeow wrote: And I read you as fairly strong town lean. I like the posts where you refuted Eversince's case on KelsierSC and the points on the MoosyDoosy/Vonthin affair.
I'm not sure I agree on MoosyDoosy being scum though, there are some posts that seem fairly emotional in a way that I think would be hard to emulate as scum. For example this:
On October 19 2015 09:32 MoosyDoosy wrote: I kind of want to be lynched just to see boxerfred's reaction. Him thinking he can read me off of one game is pretty funny.
What do you make of boxerfred's switch from me to scott31337?
Nothing alignment indicative about the switch. I noticed that his arguments for scumreading you were super bad though. Don't you think ?
To me the switch seemed kind of opportunistic, like he was trying to push me and then just jumped to someone else when that didn't stick. Note how all the reasons he uses to call scott31337 scum are already out when he makes his case on me - so it frankly doesn't make sense to me that he'd case me first, then just jump off like that.
Re evaluating is a town indicative thing. It super weird to me that you put suspicion on BF on re evaluating reads, which is town indicative; and not on his god awful case on you.
Re-evaluating would be fine, but I just don't see anything in the posts that hints at that; I'd expect a re-evaluating townie to at least note something like "X is still scum but Y looks even worse" when switching from the guy he cased to someone else.
I suppose the trap is no longer going to work anyway, so yes, the horribleness of the case was why I originally started suspecting him. I was trying to trap him on you having essentially done the same thing he based his case on me yet calling you town and me scum.
On October 20 2015 01:23 MoosyDoosy wrote: I was going through your filter but got angry over how you're making a big deal over expectations of me so I stopped reading. So no, I didn't really get to the part on sicklucker. So he's null as usual.
LOL I was asking to comment on what SL and I said about Vonthin. Don't move lazy mofo I'll be back for you soon.
Moosy what do you think of these different opinions on Vonthin:
On October 19 2015 22:34 sicklucker wrote: how anyone can scum read scott off his 3 posts is mind blogging, Does he have a history of a history of not playing as scum? because I know he often never posts as town. I could very well lynch him because I have alot of other town reads but its a pretty random one.
Vonthin on the other hand might be scum alot more of the time. He has more posts that are mostly filler except his weak list post. unlike scott He might have a history of making alot of posts as town (he only has 6) somoone should look into that.
6 posts and 4 of them are filler
On October 19 2015 22:42 sicklucker wrote: well he didnt post that much but he had no fluff posts and he certainly didnt open like that. his opening was heavilty coached either by scum or town i have no idea. No one free flow posts like that
On October 19 2015 22:39 Rels wrote: SL, why is Vonthin's list weak ?
On October 19 2015 22:43 sicklucker wrote: well his top read is scott
On October 19 2015 22:44 sicklucker wrote: like he starts with scott "easy town read"
then he follows up on the next guy "not much to read on" like you could have used that on scott lol. Then he just lists the two easy people as scum
On October 19 2015 22:44 sicklucker wrote: like he starts with scott "easy town read"
then he follows up on the next guy "not much to read on" like you could have used that on scott lol. Then he just lists the two easy people as scum
mm OK. I know as scum I had a hard time listing multiple people as potential scum, as I didn't want them to suspect me. So I'm thinking a newbie scum wouldn't list 3 people as scum in his first serious post. Maybe I'm underestimating him though.
On October 20 2015 01:47 FarahBlackwing wrote: You would rather lynch a useless person and waste a lynch when I've given you a really solid case?
Even I know shining won't be back till Tuesday at earliest
Yes. People hiding when other people are fighting = mafia. Unlike you for example. Shining had a few scummy posts, wasn't emotional when being scumread (unlike last game for example), and is useless (not doing anything while other people are fighting). Vonthin said he was catching up 2 hours ago, came back with an excuse and is useless. I would definitely lynch them both if deadline was right now. Maybe not over scott who was caught in a contradiction and is useless. But definitely over Eversince who is super scummy, but is not useless.
On October 20 2015 01:47 FarahBlackwing wrote: You would rather lynch a useless person and waste a lynch when I've given you a really solid case?
Even I know shining won't be back till Tuesday at earliest
Yes. People hiding when other people are fighting = mafia. Unlike you for example. Shining had a few scummy posts, wasn't emotional when being scumread (unlike last game for example), and is useless (not doing anything while other people are fighting). Vonthin said he was catching up 2 hours ago, came back with an excuse and is useless. I would definitely lynch them both if deadline was right now. Maybe not over scott who was caught in a contradiction and is useless. But definitely over Eversince who is super scummy, but is not useless.
I think shining's ok tbh. if emotion when being scumread is his town tell then he seems pretty emotional replying to ES. Plus with his questions and posting overall, he doesn't seem malicious.
Where ? He seemed super robotic replying to my stuff. And I've played with scum!Shining on my mafia team. He is not malicious, he's just ... there. Asking question, giving neutral thoughts, then shutting the fuck up. That's what I'm seeing here. But that's true he doesn't play much Monday and Tuesday. Since we have so many scummy mofos to lynch today, I'm OK waiting for tomorrow to see what he does.
On October 19 2015 04:53 The Shining wrote: Honestly, outside of Rels admittedly good points RE: Scott, I don't really like his catch up posts. He starts off picking on my entrance(just like GB did) and then goes on to say GB might be Mafia. If so, why did he have the same train of thought as him? Then he asks SL for his thoughts on GB, meaning he wants to try and flesh out his scumread of GB. Then he picks on another of my posts which is whatever because I know I always play weird D1s but considering I was looking for Vonthins reaction to that post, I don't like him painting a narrative of me being in a scum mentality. Especially since we rolled scum together recently and he should know that isn't my style.
Then he follows up with GB is probably town for his tryhard post. After saying he might be Mafia, and trying to flesh it out with SL, he says he is town off of one post and leaves it alone. Even goes so far as to make a lynch list including myself on it and throws GB on the town list, then asks GB what he thinks of SL? Why is he trying to throw these two against each other instead of asking anyone else? And he completely abandoned his scumread on GB to accept him as town with no interaction, just a post he saw.
On October 20 2015 01:45 Rels wrote: We should lynch Vonthin or Shining if they are still useless in a few hours.
Almost done reading the thread and everyones filter while writing up my reads on everyone
Man. This guy is catching up, but he's also watching the thread to see what is being talked about ?? Watching so much that he answered my concern 3 minutes after I've voiced it up.
EPT
