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GB you gonna sulk in your qt or pretend to be shocked?
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See you later folks 
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On October 26 2015 05:05 Fecalfeast wrote:
GB you gonna sulk in your qt or pretend to be shocked?
I'm not mafia
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On October 26 2015 05:05 Fecalfeast wrote:
GB you gonna sulk in your qt or pretend to be shocked?
Lol. On a sadder note, rip FF  ES was def the RB and BF took the lynch to kill you tonight. We will still have confirmed Rels at least.
OR MAFIA MIGHT CONCEDE? =D
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GG, sorry for the pretended ad hom
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Yeah I know, and again farah, it's not that I don't trust you (save for the MASSIVE amounts of wifom coming from GB that's affecting my vision) but switching votes around at EoD is inviting mafia to strategically vote and mess things up.
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On October 26 2015 05:07 boxerfred wrote:
GG, sorry for the pretended ad hom
You tried really hard and I respect that.
I seriously didn't read a single word of your posts after the claim tho
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On October 26 2015 05:09 Fecalfeast wrote:You tried really hard and I respect that. I seriously didn't read a single word of your posts after the claim tho
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I'll read your big walls later cause it seems you put a lot of work into it. I just skimmed it
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I'm slightly disappointed but not to much ever tommorow and we will see then.
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On October 26 2015 05:24 FarahBlackwing wrote:
I'm slightly disappointed but not to much ever tommorow and we will see then.
I hope you don't really quit playing here because of one game.
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So do we really wanna waste night phase?
ES is pretty obviously lock scum here. And the RB. There is no other motivation IMO for BF to CC FF when they could have just won the game lynching a town ES, which means she is scum.
Let's talk about the 3rd scum. Anyone here? It's obvious the next 2 NKs are going to be our blues, as they are confirmed town and scum loses the game automatically without killing them in Final 4.
That leaves Vonthin GB and Farrah. Farrah cased ES D1 and has been trying to get her lynched forever. That's obvtown.
Final lynch HAS to be Vonthin or GB. Discuss.
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I was thinking in final 4 you guys should sleep is this smart?
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On October 21 2015 19:52 boxerfred wrote:I like Vonthin's response to my questions, I dislike that he scumreads me. He's not the lynch for today though imho. Let me bring his scum read on me up: Show nested quote +Boxer- Lots of big long confusing posts that are all over the place that should've been separated into multiple posts. He makes a case against Moosy then later says it was a bullshit case? Why post it in the first place? Besides his case against Moosy(which he pushes even after calling it BS) he seems to be all over the place with what he is pushing, looks like scum trying to spread chaos to me. Also why ever say "I just scimmed the posts" and then make an opinion, this just gives you plausable deniability when you miss something that could make you look scummy. You always want to post when you have all the information. I think you refer to one big, seemingly confusing post only and this is a post that is built up quite logically: I caught up, and while I was catching up, I quoted posts that I deemed interesting. I even said that on top of that post. Go have a re-read of that post. Regarding my Moosy read: I contradicted myself in that read. I was wrong, that's about it. That's why I later said that it was bullshit. I also refrained from my Moosy scumread although it really bothers me that he's not around. So no, I have not continued pushing Moosy, you're misrepresenting the facts. However I still do not have a townread Moosy, although I liked his posts N1 a bit. Third, regarding the "I just skimmed" case - it was simply honest, sorry if that makes me look bad. Read into that whatever you want, I don't care. ____________ I'm wondering why Farah pushes a MD lynch since her case on ES was/is good. Why the preference now that MD apparently isn't here? Also why that townread on Shining? I don't get the "emotional" argument at all, one can fake his/her meta. Elaborate please. Then again, I wonder why Farah removes GB from her "remaining scum" list. I think your reads of shining and GB are really weak. I also dislike that Fecalfeast comes into the thread once he's under pressure. Why not do this before? Not interested to solve the game? If so, why not? I strongly think there's scum in between GB and FF, maybe MD but I don't have a solid case on that. I guess MD will break my neck the longer I survive in that game because I cannot tell if he's town or scum but I still have that scum feeling. I had the same fucking feeling in the game we played when he was scum and talked everyone into oblivion, however I was mislynched before being able to get him lynched. I actually have a good grasp on that game, SL and MD are the only ones I don't have at least a reasoned opinion on. That, among with my standing as a townread person, will probably get me shot soon. Well, some casualties cannot be prevented. Fecal as of now I don't have the time to really look at the games you mentioned towards me. Hold me at it, I'll try to do so this evening. The lynch should happen in between FF/GB/ES/Shining. I think those guys have the highest chance to flip scum. Second tier lynches are MD/SL(though GB scumreads him which actually makes me rethink that)/VonThin. Don't lynch: Farah. Never lynch: Rels, boxerfred.
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On October 23 2015 03:44 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 03:40 Vonthin wrote:On October 23 2015 03:35 boxerfred wrote:
Lol I vote Fecal for being inactive and now he's active as shit. Should catch up completely instead of writing new posts. Yeah this is shit, this isn't the first time you have posted and made reads without reading everything which in the end just mucks up the thread and makes you look scummier. You keep misrepresenting that post. Here, let me quote it for you and bold it: + Show Spoiler +On October 20 2015 05:57 boxerfred wrote:As I'm catching up, I'll write down my notes on what I think about certain posts. Show nested quote +On October 20 2015 01:07 LoneMeow wrote:On October 20 2015 00:05 Rels wrote:On October 19 2015 23:45 LoneMeow wrote:On October 19 2015 23:29 Rels wrote:On October 19 2015 23:20 LoneMeow wrote:On October 19 2015 08:02 boxerfred wrote:my moosy read sucks I agree but I still think he's scum, boom. he's doing the same spammy shit he did when we played together. kelsier/farah town. sicklucker hasn't done batshit but oneliners but if i remember correctly, it's not scum indicative for him. dunnno how kelsier townreads him off of that but he does. eversince's post on kelsier is shit, those quotations are kinda standalone and feel tryhard. that makes me townread him. ##vote lonemeowEnters thread in defense of GB, then votes kelsier for no reason. Goes on to interact with Rels, doesn't follow up. On October 18 2015 21:49 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:46 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:32 LoneMeow wrote:
GlowingBear is Top town for me right now, not only did he get the game to move on from the "joke" phase but there's also this:
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As for the FarahBlackwing, there's a ParanOid scenario I can see where the whole thing was orchestrated in advance but that's not relevant for now, I suppose. Unflipped players and all that.
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Why wouldn't he make a list post? Some reads are needed to get the "serious" phase of the game started, I don't quite see that list post being scum motivated at all.
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So the read is wrong (ie. he's town misreading) but you'd WanT to lynch him (ie. he's scum)? What? again where did I say he was town? reading is really hard for some people. If his read on you is wrong then you are clearly implying he's town. Scum doesn't have "right" or "wrong" reads. This is constructed bullshit. In the context of that conversation, start of D1, there's no way for that kind of thinking. It's constructed and puts pressure on KSC for the sake of, well, pressuring, while still leaving the vote without any reasons. Stirring up chaos and setting up a potential mislynch. On October 18 2015 22:06 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:59 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:58 LoneMeow wrote:
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I'm interested in your alignment, and you explaining your though process and logic helps in that. then why vote me before asking? Vote is also a tool to provoke reactions. Why do you not want to help me figure out your alignment? So he provoked a reaction from Kelsier. Now that the wagon kind of started, he's nowhere to be seen. So all we have is a push on kelsier because "well I can and a vote is pressure". That feels like scum stirring up chaos to me. Before we go any further into this, I want to know: a) Have you read the entire thread or just skimmed some parts? b) What's your read on Rels and why? Can you answer the same question pretty please ? I skimmed some MoosyDoosy's posts, for some reason they give me a headache. So when you answered BF's posts above, you had already read the whole thread ? I started writing it before I had finished but posted it after. On October 20 2015 00:05 Rels wrote:On October 19 2015 23:45 LoneMeow wrote:And I read you as fairly strong town lean. I like the posts where you refuted Eversince's case on KelsierSC and the points on the MoosyDoosy/Vonthin affair. I'm not sure I agree on MoosyDoosy being scum though, there are some posts that seem fairly emotional in a way that I think would be hard to emulate as scum. For example this: On October 19 2015 09:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I kind of want to be lynched just to see boxerfred's reaction. Him thinking he can read me off of one game is pretty funny. What do you make of boxerfred's switch from me to scott31337? Nothing alignment indicative about the switch. I noticed that his arguments for scumreading you were super bad though. Don't you think ? To me the switch seemed kind of opportunistic, like he was trying to push me and then just jumped to someone else when that didn't stick. Note how all the reasons he uses to call scott31337 scum are already out when he makes his case on me - so it frankly doesn't make sense to me that he'd case me first, then just jump off like that. That's bullshit. Remember why I voted you in the first place, wanted to play the game you played with Kelsier. I didn't even make a "case". Show nested quote +On October 20 2015 01:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
If you read boxerfred's post, it's super awful where he switches between me and The SHining then comes up with a BS reason to try and scumread me. Even before that he blamed me for gif wars when I didn't post any. lol. Gonna bring that up because I don't want to let this stand. My read on you happened partially on a false prerequisite. Note that while I think you're probably scum, it's not enough to cast my vote on you. I might be bad at persuading people especially since english isn't my first language but I'm able to think. Also it's fun to get this comment from a guy who basically spams all the time and makes the thread hard to read, thanks. Show nested quote +On October 20 2015 01:23 LoneMeow wrote:On October 20 2015 01:14 Rels wrote:On October 20 2015 01:07 LoneMeow wrote:On October 20 2015 00:05 Rels wrote:On October 19 2015 23:45 LoneMeow wrote:On October 19 2015 23:29 Rels wrote:On October 19 2015 23:20 LoneMeow wrote:On October 19 2015 08:02 boxerfred wrote:my moosy read sucks I agree but I still think he's scum, boom. he's doing the same spammy shit he did when we played together. kelsier/farah town. sicklucker hasn't done batshit but oneliners but if i remember correctly, it's not scum indicative for him. dunnno how kelsier townreads him off of that but he does. eversince's post on kelsier is shit, those quotations are kinda standalone and feel tryhard. that makes me townread him. ##vote lonemeowEnters thread in defense of GB, then votes kelsier for no reason. Goes on to interact with Rels, doesn't follow up. On October 18 2015 21:49 LoneMeow wrote:
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If his read on you is wrong then you are clearly implying he's town. Scum doesn't have "right" or "wrong" reads. This is constructed bullshit. In the context of that conversation, start of D1, there's no way for that kind of thinking. It's constructed and puts pressure on KSC for the sake of, well, pressuring, while still leaving the vote without any reasons. Stirring up chaos and setting up a potential mislynch. On October 18 2015 22:06 LoneMeow wrote:
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Why do you not want to help me figure out your alignment? So he provoked a reaction from Kelsier. Now that the wagon kind of started, he's nowhere to be seen. So all we have is a push on kelsier because "well I can and a vote is pressure". That feels like scum stirring up chaos to me. Before we go any further into this, I want to know: a) Have you read the entire thread or just skimmed some parts? b) What's your read on Rels and why? Can you answer the same question pretty please ? I skimmed some MoosyDoosy's posts, for some reason they give me a headache. So when you answered BF's posts above, you had already read the whole thread ? I started writing it before I had finished but posted it after. Oh yeah ? In this post you both asked BF if he had read the thread properly and asked for his read on me: On October 19 2015 23:20 LoneMeow wrote:On October 19 2015 08:02 boxerfred wrote:my moosy read sucks I agree but I still think he's scum, boom. he's doing the same spammy shit he did when we played together. kelsier/farah town. sicklucker hasn't done batshit but oneliners but if i remember correctly, it's not scum indicative for him. dunnno how kelsier townreads him off of that but he does. eversince's post on kelsier is shit, those quotations are kinda standalone and feel tryhard. that makes me townread him. ##vote lonemeowEnters thread in defense of GB, then votes kelsier for no reason. Goes on to interact with Rels, doesn't follow up. On October 18 2015 21:49 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:46 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:32 LoneMeow wrote:GlowingBear is Top town for me right now, not only did he get the game to move on from the "joke" phase but there's also this: On October 18 2015 05:58 GlowingBear wrote:
There is no such thing as "deciding a meta". You play to win and that's all.
This is town thinking. As for the FarahBlackwing, there's a ParanOid scenario I can see where the whole thing was orchestrated in advance but that's not relevant for now, I suppose. Unflipped players and all that. On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote:
GlowingBear's list post: Before looking in detail at what he posted it feels too early to be making a list post. Half the game hasn't posted, it doesn't feel correct. Furthermore I can't understand why he feels the need to make a list post for one townlean that Has doubt to it, one scumlean and then just null players. the only post that anyone would have cared about at all was him calling me scummy.
Why wouldn't he make a list post? Some reads are needed to get the "serious" phase of the game started, I don't quite see that list post being scum motivated at all. On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote:
His scumread of me is, in typical GB fashion, wrong. I've explained my post above.
The Rest of his list doesn't make logical Sense to me but again that is typical GB.
I WanT to wait and see but if the lynch was now i'd lynch GB and Moosy.
So the read is wrong (ie. he's town misreading) but you'd WanT to lynch him (ie. he's scum)? What? again where did I say he was town? reading is really hard for some people. If his read on you is wrong then you are clearly implying he's town. Scum doesn't have "right" or "wrong" reads. This is constructed bullshit. In the context of that conversation, start of D1, there's no way for that kind of thinking. It's constructed and puts pressure on KSC for the sake of, well, pressuring, while still leaving the vote without any reasons. Stirring up chaos and setting up a potential mislynch. On October 18 2015 22:06 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:59 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:58 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:54 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:53 LoneMeow wrote:
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how is this of any value if you already decided he was town? I'm interested in your alignment, and you explaining your though process and logic helps in that. then why vote me before asking? Vote is also a tool to provoke reactions. Why do you not want to help me figure out your alignment? So he provoked a reaction from Kelsier. Now that the wagon kind of started, he's nowhere to be seen. So all we have is a push on kelsier because "well I can and a vote is pressure". That feels like scum stirring up chaos to me. Before we go any further into this, I want to know: a) Have you read the entire thread or just skimmed some parts? b) What's your read on Rels and why? You just said you had read the thread completely before posting this. Seems that you missed something ?? On October 19 2015 19:59 boxerfred wrote:Moosy/scott interaction is also interesting because of this: On October 18 2015 06:33 scott31337 wrote:On October 18 2015 05:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also I kind of regret signing up for BH games in the first place. I always roll town in them which is getting super super boring. This seems like your trying to push this a little too much - just a thought here... On October 18 2015 05:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 18 2015 05:25 GlowingBear wrote:On October 18 2015 05:21 MoosyDoosy wrote:
GB can i bus you again? And there is a QT to discuss this Moosy, you shouldn't be telling that to everyone else welp too late. ##Vote: GlowingBear And a shit early vote. Now he's spamming up the thread. I'm not caring for this play so far. GB is a slight townlean - and that's about it. I don't think this is a scum interaction. Moosy pushes me, scott nullifies that plus points out negative things in moosy's playstyle. So I don't think at all they are mafia together. Scott keeps it up: On October 18 2015 06:57 scott31337 wrote:On October 18 2015 06:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I mean. I'll give you guys a legitimate reason to scumread me if you want it. Right now the stuff ya'll are flinging is weak. Explain your vote on GB like I'm five years old. Pressure, questions, and then he drops it: On October 18 2015 07:35 scott31337 wrote:On October 18 2015 07:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 18 2015 06:57 scott31337 wrote:On October 18 2015 06:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I mean. I'll give you guys a legitimate reason to scumread me if you want it. Right now the stuff ya'll are flinging is weak. Explain your vote on GB like I'm five years old. I decide to have a bit of fun as GB was my Mafia partner in the game where I doubled bused my partners. As a result, I ask him as a joke if I can bus him this game. GB understands the joke and says that I should say it in the QT. As a continuation of the joke I say it's too late and remark that I'll be confirmed town after the "bus" and then vote for GB. Just was making sure - Thank you. To Shining on the GB read - a bit of meta (I've guessed him correctly the last three games) - a bit of playfulness and making sense. I mean I didn't like Kelsier's entrance persay either, but I was going to wait until later in the day to see if he shows up. I didn't see anything else really worth pointing out when I read the thread. And now he disappears. I mean I can see the things on scott but I can't imagine scum scott and scum moosy interacting in that way that early in the game, it just doesn't make sense. So I'd say we have scum in between moosy/scott but I wouldn't say both are scum. I townread kels and I clearly townread rels from what I see so i'm glad to help on that wagon. ##unvote ##vote scott12345 So you read the thread, you read BF's posts I assume because he's someone you suspect; but you have missed that he townread me ? Do note that I asked him why which was what I was mostly interested in. On October 20 2015 01:14 Rels wrote:On October 20 2015 01:07 LoneMeow wrote:On October 20 2015 00:05 Rels wrote:On October 19 2015 23:45 LoneMeow wrote:And I read you as fairly strong town lean. I like the posts where you refuted Eversince's case on KelsierSC and the points on the MoosyDoosy/Vonthin affair. I'm not sure I agree on MoosyDoosy being scum though, there are some posts that seem fairly emotional in a way that I think would be hard to emulate as scum. For example this: On October 19 2015 09:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I kind of want to be lynched just to see boxerfred's reaction. Him thinking he can read me off of one game is pretty funny. What do you make of boxerfred's switch from me to scott31337? Nothing alignment indicative about the switch. I noticed that his arguments for scumreading you were super bad though. Don't you think ? To me the switch seemed kind of opportunistic, like he was trying to push me and then just jumped to someone else when that didn't stick. Note how all the reasons he uses to call scott31337 scum are already out when he makes his case on me - so it frankly doesn't make sense to me that he'd case me first, then just jump off like that. Re evaluating is a town indicative thing. It super weird to me that you put suspicion on BF on re evaluating reads, which is town indicative; and not on his god awful case on you. Re-evaluating would be fine, but I just don't see anything in the posts that hints at that; I'd expect a re-evaluating townie to at least note something like "X is still scum but Y looks even worse" when switching from the guy he cased to someone else. I suppose the trap is no longer going to work anyway, so yes, the horribleness of the case was why I originally started suspecting him. I was trying to trap him on you having essentially done the same thing he based his case on me yet calling you town and me scum. Gonna repeat it, I didn't case you, stop making up reasons to push me. ____ I like the case on Eversince a lot. I'm fine with ES/scott and of course Moosy. However I'll be in for a Moosy lynch pretty much anytime. Scott would be the lurker scum but I think it's important to note that he's rather inactive when he's town while there's a really solid case on ES. Decisions, decisions. ____ Show nested quote +On October 20 2015 01:59 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I mean, I'll sheep whatever you guys want tbh. For D1 at least. What a huge fucking awesome useless dumb post. I want to vote you for this. And for your general posting style. Show nested quote +On October 20 2015 02:03 Vonthin wrote:My thoughts on everyone now that I've read their filters. Moosy- Slight scum read, I didn't like his opening spam shitpost crap, and some of the reason Rels brought up after I made my post the other night. He has some posts though where I can see town motivation but the useless posts outweigh them for me. LoneMeow- I think he is town, I see clear motivation behind the things he is doing trying to get reads on people. Sicklurker-Leaning slight scum on him, lots of fluff in his filter, I don't understand his Lonemeow vote, I don't see anything to go on besides him not posting a lot to make him scum. On October 19 2015 22:44 sicklucker wrote:
like he starts with scott "easy town read"
then he follows up on the next guy "not much to read on" like you could have used that on scott lol. Then he just lists the two easy people as scum Never said lol ez town read or that he was my top read just because I typed his read first in the list., He was just under my list for people who I thought were town for the time. I liked the posts he made and he had no fluff. My strongest town read at the time I made that list was GB. He seemed to made his opinions of me without reading my posts then read them and changed them after someone called him out on his and read them. GB- Still town, I don't see any scum motivation behind his posts. Boxer-- Null still, I understand his reasoning behind his cases but I don't agree with most of them. Has some fluff here and there and his posts/opinions vary so I don't really understand him. Scott-Besides not posting a lot, his posts still read town to me. I understand lynching for inactivity though. Rels- I think he is town, I like most of his posts up un till his recent ones with his case against Lonemeow which I think is a pretty weak case for day1. Farah--Town, Clear town motivation behind her posts, no fluff. Her case against Ever is clear and thought out and makes sense. Ever-- The big thing that leaps out to me in his filter is the big post with all the quote about his case against KSC, was a big jumbled mess and a somewhat weak case. His thoughts are all over the place in the start but It could just be him being new and reacting to the posts he sees. Shining- I think he is town, I like his posts and arguments, has some things I don't like but the things I like outweigh the ones I don't. KSC - He started off looking scum to me but he started to look town since the last day. I like his reads and questions since he stopped posting fluff and being so negative at the start Fecal- Seems scummy, posts seem half assed which shit reads that doesn't give any explanations. Not enough to go on for a Day 1 lynch. Would Lynch: Lurker, Ever, Moosy Needs more posts/convincing: Fecal If anyone has specific questions for me hit me up fast since I have to go to my afternoon classes soon. How do you read Shining as town? Why is that? I'd scumlean him. Also, how do you understand my reasong if even I say that the reasoning of MD is bullshit? How can you townread scott based that his posts were absurd (as Rels and me pointed out)? Scumlean for you. Show nested quote +On October 20 2015 02:58 KelsierSC wrote:
i'd actually much prefer a scott lynch over ever right now
scott's return has been atrocious
vonthin putting his vote there and trying to keep scott alive looks really sketchy to me.
Having read this, yes. Scott's return is bullshit. However if he'd be scum and if he'd have read the thread before, why wouldn't he just go down the "I'm a low volume poster as town" road? Me and someone else mentioned that. Bad scum or genuine excuse, I have no idea but tend to believe the first thing. He jumps the Eversince wagon but I think that's NAI. Show nested quote +On October 20 2015 03:00 FarahBlackwing wrote:
I think its interesting moosey is blindly sheeping onto boxer who id his biggest scum read currently. And totally disregards case on ever and misrepresents it. YES YES YES (I fixed that you wrote Moosydoosy in the original post, you corrected in later) Show nested quote +On October 20 2015 03:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 20 2015 03:02 KelsierSC wrote:On October 20 2015 03:02 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Autocorrect got me, boxer his biggest scum read is on Scott hut he totally just sheeped onto Scott with him. Oh well moosy did say he would be happy lynching scott earlier. On October 20 2015 02:54 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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sounds cool So what, lynch scum!boxerfred's scumread? I'm on page 31 now. Pizza arrived . tl;dr would lynch between scott/eversince/moosy, would look into glowingbear and fecalfeast since they dropped under the radar, need to check for lurkers. rels/kelsier/farah town, sicklucker lololol no idea. What is more towny than reading the thread one post by one and posting my thoughts to fucking every single post during the catchup-process? You are misrepresenting the facts. Why is that? Are you scum?
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Also it's interesting that Shining comes out of lurking to push me after a mislynch with exactly 2 off-wagon voters happened. Vonthin picking it up that fast is weird, too.
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On October 26 2015 11:53 Fecalfeast wrote:
I was thinking in final 4 you guys should sleep is this smart?
Yes, OP says we can no lynch and I planned on pushing for it after lynching ES and dealing with 2 NKs.
But it's pointless if mafia can choose to no shoot so until we get confirmation that mafia HAS to shoot at night, it's pointless diving too much into this.
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