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Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 25 2015 00:08 GMT
#1637
GlowingBear

That's right ladies and gentlemen, this is a legit case so strap yourselves in.
This game's filter
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GB has not been pushing his scumreads like he does as town
On October 24 2015 03:07 GlowingBear wrote:
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On October 24 2015 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
Hm Onegu's return seems okay... Although why is rayn 90% town? Elaborate?


Sorry, why is he okay?

BTW I'm pretty sure Vivax is mafia now. He comes back, jokes about stuff, says some random stuff about killing me, but actually talks about nothing else in the game. His read on yamato has

vanished, too.

I can't understand what you guys find townie in him.

On October 24 2015 01:14 GlowingBear wrote:
I think best lynch today is BH. We all agree he has been lackluster and we have yet to see him being suspicious of a player. I don't remember him having scum reads

On October 24 2015 04:07 GlowingBear wrote:
I don't want to lynch chromatically. Especially now that Vivax is voting him.

And I've been putting thoughts on Rayn. His flip one is bad. He said it was very unlikely I was scum and that I was very level headed with my read in Vivax.

Then Vivax said something about me scum reading him before asking questions, and Rayn agreed and called me scum over the same posts he called me "very unlikely to be mafia". It doesn't

make sense.

I'm voting rayn

GB has three different lynch targets throughout the day (although he spends most of the time on Vivax). GB does not even make an attempt to get people to vote on BH or rayn other than the posts quoted here. Vivax he "pushes" on for a little bit earlier in the day, but it basically consisted of talking to marv a little bit about it and then discussing it with Vivax himself. He never really pushes it very hard.

Compare this to his other games (quotes all taken from D1):
As Town
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Mini Mafia Down Under
On July 27 2015 03:46 GlowingBear wrote:
.:Case on KelsierSC:.


1) Constantly whining about having to waste posts with bad things without actually using his remaining 50+ posts for anything else

+ Show Spoiler +
/*really long nested quote omitted*/


If he is so worried about wasting posts with useless stuff, WHY DOES HE WASTE POSTS TO KEEP SAYING HE IS ANNOYED? "Yes, one person is enough to annoy me", really?
Why is he so annoyed, man? "Everybody is playing like shit". No, nobody is playing like shit in this game. This game is pretty concise and to the point. His annoyance is unjustified, it's

ridiculous. Looks like mafia trying to fake being emotional.

2) Deflecting any early suspicions brought on him + guilty conscience

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On July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote:
It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with.
After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both.

bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me.

scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly

On July 25 2015 07:28 scott31337 wrote:
Hmm, cuz I thought Kei's post was the scummiest so far.


considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum?


THIS IS HIS SECOND POST IN THE GAME! This is an unnatural reaction to what scott posted. In town mindset, the reaction I would expect would be "then you're stupid because I'm town" and not

"ok, you think I'm scum, am I the only one lol". It reveals mafia's guilty conscience.
More than that, and more important, it is a deflection of early pressure. He sees someone calling him scum and softly tries to shift pressure to someone else. If you ask "am I the only

one?" a common response would be "no, I didn't like X as well" and if they keep talking about X, the pressure is shifted.

The same reaction can be seen here:
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On July 25 2015 19:54 KelsierSC wrote:
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On July 25 2015 19:50 Snickers wrote:
complains about shit play continues shit play


This isn't going to lead to anything productive so I think it's best to just end it here.


It can be interpreted in both ways: town not wanting to shit the thread, or scum deflecting pressure. Since Kelsier already displayed the deflection behaviour, the second option is more

likely.

3) Wanting to lynch me then backtracking when having no reasons to

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*/ even longer nested quote */


The progression is this, for people that doesn't want to read the posts: Kelsier says he doesn't like me and he would lynch me happily. I ask him why he doesn't like me. He says everything

I post looks stupid. I asked him what is stupid in them and why does that makes me mafia. He said it doesn't make me mafia but he would lynch me anyway, and that he is annoyed because

idiots (like me) are annoying him, but never says what are the problems with my posts. He then comes to the thread and says he wants to lynch "hopeless, clarity, obi and bf", not wanting

to lynch me.

It's simple: he said he didn't like me hoping to have me as an option for mislynch. When I confront it, he says I look stupid but he forgets it's something he doesn't believe is alignment

indicative for me. Then he says he would lynch me anyway implying that I annoy him. Well, I wasn't raising suspicions on him since that time. Now I've being pressuring him for the rest of

day1 and he doesn't want to lynch me anymore LOL. He is not annoyed with it.
What I mean with this is: his actions does not follows his discourse, which is mostly a scum trait.
Add to this the fact that he answers almost NOTHING of my posts directed to him. He just deflects them, adding to point (2) of this case.

4) HE IS VOTING TOFU INSTEAD OF SCOTT

HE IS FUCKING VOTING TOFU INSTEAD OF SCOTT. SCOTT WAS THE FIRST GUY TO ANNOY HIM (AND KELSIER WOULD LYNCH PEOPLE DOING THAT)! Why he doesn't prefer a scott lynch? Hell, a lot of people

thinks he is mafia! Instead of going against the guy that certainly looked as mafia for him, he is going against questionmark!Tofu. More than that, he wasn't advocating for a lynch on

Scott, but opened a range of possible lynches he would go against (tofu, scott, obi, clarity).
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, PEOPLE! COME ON!!!

+ Show Spoiler [WIFOM] +
Points on Kelsier were brought many times and no one quickly jumped on it, not even Scott, who was suspicions on Kelsier in the first place. The quick and unreasonable town

reads Kelsier got points out that scum didn't want him as a possible mislynch.


I am POSITIVE Kelsier is mafia. Vote him with me.

##Vote: KelsierSC

On July 27 2015 06:28 GlowingBear wrote:
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On July 27 2015 05:40 scott31337 wrote:
On July 27 2015 04:44 KelsierSC wrote:
I thought scott was scummy, I posted a quote of his that was scummy.

Yes superb evidence, it really makes me look "terrible"

can we lynch tofu already.


Why do I get this feeling we are right on Tofu and mafia are trying to get us to swap?


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On July 27 2015 05:49 scott31337 wrote:
On July 27 2015 05:25 Snickers wrote:
unless you have a very very very very strong read as scott mafia get off of him and vote clarity.

unless you have a very strong read on tofu get off of him.

if you have a smidgen of thought that clairty could possibly be scum vote him.


Tofu is waffling pretty badly right now and I get this mafia feeling to try to pull off of him - so I do have a pretty strong (or strongest) at this time on him.


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On July 27 2015 05:57 scott31337 wrote:
On July 27 2015 05:51 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 27 2015 05:49 scott31337 wrote:
On July 27 2015 05:25 Snickers wrote:
unless you have a very very very very strong read as scott mafia get off of him and vote clarity.

unless you have a very strong read on tofu get off of him.

if you have a smidgen of thought that clairty could possibly be scum vote him.


Tofu is waffling pretty badly right now and I get this mafia feeling to try to pull off of him - so I do have a pretty strong (or strongest) at this time on him.


I must say I also think it could be possible

Scott, who are the Mafia doing that?


I do not know if you are mafia but you seem to be fighting his lynch pretty strongly (posted your case on Kelsier a couple hours ago when it looked like Tofu's getting the noose

when maybe it would be better for day 2, asked rayn to vote me, asked palmar to vote me, etc.)


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On July 27 2015 06:14 scott31337 wrote:
I have just re-read Clarity's filter, never mind it's really bad - a vote on me and a comment on Hopeless's post (although Hopeless did a bit better) and nothing much else.

I could vote for him too.


Thought process does not compute.

You think Tofu is Mafia
Then you say Mafia is trying to take people out of the tofu wagon.
The alternate wagon is clarity. I suppose you may think Mafia could be there.
But you call Mafia people that were in other wagons and does not consider people that moved to the clarity wagon.
You even raise suspicions on me but you don't call me Mafia (?), what's the point then?
Then you dive clarity and suddenly he is bad? What about Mafia protecting tofu by forming another wagon?????

Your thought process makes no sense and it completely fits Mafia perspective

GUYS VOTE SCOTT PLEASE


On July 27 2015 06:35 GlowingBear wrote:
I mean, if you THINK Mafia is trying to take votes off of Mafia!Tofu you MUST consider they are forming the alternate wagon INSTEAD of ignoring people forming the alternate wagon and

placing votes somewhere else. There is no other option

EVEN if you believed in what you just said, it would make me completely Mafia, and not just something you would say "I don't know you're Mafia". Then other Mafia are boxerfred (?) and

PROBABLY A VET? Why a vet, which vet, why not me.

Then you simply say you could lynch clarity, man. You just said Mafia was taking votes off of tofu.

You can't me town.

PEOPLE PLEASE, SCOTT CAN'T BE TOWN


Battle of the Drams Mafia:
On October 01 2015 04:18 GlowingBear wrote:
And truffle's recent posts are looking townie which is making me doubt my scum read on him.

So there is that.

LYNCH COOL TL NAME.

Brb later

On October 01 2015 06:54 GlowingBear wrote:
STOP

Keep your votes on COOL TL he is Mafia

On October 01 2015 06:57 GlowingBear wrote:
DO NOT VOTE SCOTT FUCKING KILL COOL TL

ARGH

DAMDRED ISN'T EVEN CLAIMING TRACKER, HE IS CLAIMING HE WILL HE DEAD



As Mafia
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Newbie Student XIV:
On September 07 2015 02:26 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm voting scott. I don't see a better lynch than him.

On September 07 2015 03:55 GlowingBear wrote:
I really think noobking shouldn't be the lynch today. Vote scott.

On September 07 2015 05:36 GlowingBear wrote:
Superbia, I'm home but I'm not feeling well, so I'm not going to format it well so I can take a quick nap quicker:

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On September 05 2015 09:15 scott31337 wrote:
On September 05 2015 08:29 Breshke wrote:
On September 05 2015 08:20 CopCake wrote:
In which page the game started?


9

@rayn. I just think your expectations are too high too early like yes I get you want people to play seriously but that is difficult from the get go especially for some people and i would

imagine it would lead to the game kind of fizziling out early because WTF are people going to be talking about. That coupled with the fact that you asked for a blue claim so we could lynch

GB IN A NEWBIE GAME is just wrong. I get none of the "newbies" are that new but did you really think the optimal play was for someone to claim a blue role.

I can understand that you want people to play seriously but I don't understand asking a blue role to claim The scenarios you suggested after someone claims are jsut as bad because any

claim outside of the vigi setup is a doc, cop or JK which will just get RB'd to eternity and poof you've lost your power role on D1. Even if GB flipped scum it would hardly be worth it.


On September 05 2015 08:29 Breshke wrote:
On September 05 2015 08:20 CopCake wrote:
In which page the game started?


9

@rayn. I just think your expectations are too high too early like yes I get you want people to play seriously but that is difficult from the get go especially for some people and i would

imagine it would lead to the game kind of fizziling out early because WTF are people going to be talking about. That coupled with the fact that you asked for a blue claim so we could lynch

GB IN A NEWBIE GAME is just wrong. I get none of the "newbies" are that new but did you really think the optimal play was for someone to claim a blue role.

I can understand that you want people to play seriously but I don't understand asking a blue role to claim The scenarios you suggested after someone claims are jsut as bad because any

claim outside of the vigi setup is a doc, cop or JK which will just get RB'd to eternity and poof you've lost your power role on D1. Even if GB flipped scum it would hardly be worth it.




A quote and so much talk from Breshke day 1 makes me wonder if he wants to try to change his ways - which for a D1 - townlean.

More Breshke walls of text -

GB smoking/drinking again - and follow his opposite

On September 05 2015 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 05 2015 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 05 2015 08:12 Superbia wrote:
Do you really think GB is mafia here?

I don't care i stopped reading his posts.
I hope a vigilante shoots him.


Ok, you're mafia

##Vote: Rayn


Re-read Supers post here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24820236- + Show Spoiler +

On September 05 2015 08:33 Superbia wrote:
I'm about to head off. Won't be around tomorrow until around this time. Some incoherent thoughts (pretty tired).

Think rayn's response to GB's claim is over the top. I don't think there is any need for any blue to out at the moment. Pretty sure we can get productive d1 going without any blue

shenanigans. Actually kinda makes me dislike rayn, but I had townie vibes from him early on so whatever. Also he just called me town so I'm fine with him being town for now.

Curious to see what comes off rayn/yamato co-op stuff.

Initially disliked yamato's opening. After what rayn just said it's okay for now. Interested in rayn's follow up opinion.

Don't really like moosy I think. Especially the purposely random typing (different from pre-game). Also can't really find a reasoning behind his posts yet (might be bc I'm tired).

Dislike breshke who feels bitter in his latest post (mafia trait imo). Feels weird to see him admit to scummy-esque things. IDK what he's doing as either alignment. Have to see later.

GB is idk. Don't really care about the (fake) claim that much tbh.

Rest also IDK.

So yeah. Follow rayn for now probably. Don't claim blue though. No matter what he says. I'll see where you guys are at tomorrow.


Good information but I'm already blitzed.

N00bking's posts bad like last game.
He's my worst right now.

Rayn town
Yamato doing shit - town


This post may appear contributive at first glance but it's basically a summary of the thread at that point and reads accordingly to thread sentiment, bringing nothing new to the table. Why

is Rayn town, why he is so quick to give yamato a townread like that? Why just saying I'm "drinking" again, discrediting me? It's a bunch of rehash with an attempt of looking contributive

without actually contributing.

He then starts to post reads accordingly to his progression on the pages of thread, cluttering the thread with partial and outdated information he keeps further reevaluating instead of

just giving his opinion on one big post. My problem with this is that he is again trying to look contributive while not actually being contributive. Worse. He is cluttering the thread just

to show "look, I'm doing stuff!" instead of interacting and actually search for Mafia.

He is very bold when he gives reads. Calls Nocturne "town" with no back reqsoning when he was suspicious of mage's slot. He gives 3 names of people he thinks are Mafia and he could lynch

(sayinf maybe I'm not Mafia an cake is) but posts this:

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On September 06 2015 23:48 scott31337 wrote:
I could lynch boxer but it feels like policy really.


For someone who has 3-4 scumreads, this is extremely scummy. Why is he okay with boxer's lynch if he has THREE better targets and he even ADMITS boxer is only a policy?

I see no better lynch.


Game of Thrones Mini Mafia:
On April 18 2015 05:15 GlowingBear wrote:
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On April 18 2015 05:13 Vivax wrote:
On April 18 2015 05:12 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 18 2015 05:06 Vivax wrote:
GB have you stopped thinking that SL is mafia?


Nope, the more I think about it, the more I see him as Mafia.
And I had WoS as a null (some posts felt townish, other mafiaish), but I'm having a hard time believing town WoS would really believe drunk GB would be dumb enough to say he has a qt in a

mason-less game and really mean it, and that he really wouldn't realise I was trying to develop discussion in this discussion-less thread.


Why aren't you confident that you can lynch SL today?


...
I've already said I'd prefer to lynch a scummy lurker at this point.

It's not that I can't lynch SL, it's that I can deal with him later since I have information on him

On April 18 2015 06:36 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm voting loafery thrn art

Vote with me


Mafia Mini Mafia 2:
On April 08 2015 03:48 GlowingBear wrote:
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On April 07 2015 22:48 Damdred wrote:
Lol weak you ask everyone what they think about me and you don even follow up showing past examples of how this could be my scum game like you normally do. Instead you vote one of the

towniest looking people in the entire thread

of course I have reads but I don't bow to scum demands


Lol Damdy. Last time you said this you were Mafia.
I also don't have to rely on meta this early. Again, I also know well your gameplay so I can figure you out later better. I need more information on you so I can draft a meta argument.

That is why I think you should be Mafia, though: jumping too fast on the conclusion that I am Mafia.



As town, GB not only pushes his target a lot, but is very passionate about doing so (doing capslock or spamming the thread to vote for his target). As mafia, he may have a target but he is much calmer about it and doesn't seem to be very invested in the lynch. GB's pushes this game have resembled his mafia pushes much much more than they resemble his town pushes by not having any passion for pushing his targets and not being invested in the lynch at all.

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Total activity
Here's just some numbers on activity for the games I looked at. Each number represents the page of filter GB was on after D1 finishes.

Town games:
Mini Mafia Down Under (this was a post restricted game): 5 pages
Battle of the Drams: 9 pages
Mafia in the Himalayas: 13 pages

Mafia games:
Newbie Student XIV: 7 pages
Game of Thrones Mini: 3 pages
Mafia Mini Mafia 2: 5 pages

Average town: 9 pages
Average mafia: 5 pages
This game: 4 pages

Of course, this isn't conclusive: activity is not entirely indicative of alignment, and the sample size of only 3 games per side means that this could be misrepresentative. However, I think the difference between town and mafia activity on D1 (even including a post restricted game!) is large enough to make it a point worth considering in conjunction with the other points.

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Other non-meta stuff

One thing I thought was really weird from GB this game are the posts he pinged out when rereading the thread.
On October 23 2015 11:59 GlowingBear wrote:
/*TAKEN FROM WITHIN THE SPOILER IN HIS LIST POST*/

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On October 22 2015 06:41 ritoky wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:39 Xatalos wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:36 ritoky wrote:
gumshoe might be mafia.


Why?


poorly explained response, forced joke, clear post editing, extra lines at the end of post.


This post makes me think ritoky is town. I had a similar impression to gumshoe's early posts and it's finally something unrelated to RNG discussion.

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On October 22 2015 06:56 gumshoe wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:30 Chromatically wrote:
BH, you talk a lot about why your lynch is random but not at all about why we should follow it.


Theres no point to him trying to convince us to follow his lynch. RNG is viable when reads are shit, convincing town to rng lynch requires shit reads. The game has just begun therefore

reads have not had the time to develop quality, which means bh does not yet posses his convince condition.

In the absence of the means to convince us to choose his method, all he can do is argue how his is truly random. Because a mafia player who argues for an actual rng lynch is forfeiting his

ability to protect his teammates (and potentially himself) from rng. A competent scumer would usually have faith in his ability to sway town one way or another, which means he probably

wouldn't risk an rng team kill. Basically there are only 3 kinds of players who would propose this strat.

1) a player who is so insecure about his play, he is honestly proposing to just roll the dice instead of play(at least on day 1). This player could be town or scum.

2) A town player who is just using this as a means to prove his innocence "why would I risk killing myself or my teamies as mafia? I must be town!" this works sorta because your odds are

quite low of hitting yourself and if you do then you can always say "well I know I'm town, so I'll just disregard this result" -_-

3) A scummer who believes that town will not actually rng lynch because it is objectively a bad strat compared to a really solid case/read. He must hope for this, because to a scummer the

rng lynch can actually just backfire, since mafia as an entity operate on a clear pool of lives as opposed to towns mist of health.

we can probally straight up rule out the first possibility (bh be goods not scrubs), which leaves 2 and 3. This whole thing seems pre written so hard to tell between them. Honestly best

just to ignore the whole thing unless it gets to the point where our reads are so junk an rng lynch is actually more likely.

ether way, I dont think bh expects us to actually straight up rng lynch, this was probably just a way to look active early on without actually offering substance (though it might draw

substance out of others, which is always good)


I don't like this post from gumshoe simply because there are a lot more reasons why someone would RNG, and everyone knows RNG isn't alignment indicative for BH (he has done it as both

alignments). If he thinks this something that should be ignore, why putting so many thoughts on it just to say that?

I also am not liking Xatalos posts in this game. Xatalos is usually more extensive in his posts when he is town, and he usually talk about relevant stuff. Here, he wasted too much time

talking about the RNG and his reads are usually... I don't know... not committed enough? I don't like it.

I'm at page 19 and gumshoe is still talking about BH. Argh.

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On October 22 2015 11:08 Chromatically wrote:
I'm back, I'm planning on rereading the thread and looking more into some people but here's where I'm at now:

- gumshoe feels really town, especially that last post. The way he rambles shows a town thought process in his posts.
- I don't think BH has done anything alignment indicative and I don't understand why people are reading him town.
- I liked when rayn said, "Chrom would be town if I hadn't been scum with him before", I think that statement usually comes from someone honestly trying to read me (i.e. town).
- Hopeless' entrance felt awkward to me, did not like it.
- Xatalos is town for driving discussion and the stuff he says comes from a town perspective, probably Vivax too for similar reasons.

If anyone has questions I'd love to hear them because an uncomfortable amount of people seem to think I'm mafia and I don't like it.


I like this post A LOT, especially because he pointed out the stuff on BH. I feel very comfortable to give Chromatically a day pass just for this.

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On October 23 2015 04:57 Xatalos wrote:
gumshoe: It's a bit funny you called me out about waffling on you when your entire last post waffling on... everyone Every read had some "but... then..." moment haha

rayn: About BH, I'm not completely sure how I came to lean as strongly town on BH as on Vivax. It might not be as deserved as the townread on Vivax (on objective merits of meta etc.), I

just felt (and actually still feel) that his level of effort and activity seemed more likely to come from town. The way he engaged people and seemed to have really thought about his own

ideas... It didn't feel at all like a fake push trying to gather credibility. What's more, I skimmed through all the links ritoky provided and it was a common trend that BH pushed the idea

of RNG lynching as town but didn't do that as scum. I think it's a minor meta point in BH's favor, even if it's not like it's impossible to fake something like that... I just didn't get

the feeling it was fake. Well, did you? For the time being, I'm happy to put BH in the pile of non-lynchables.


YEAH XATA, IT'S A BIT FUNNY. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF IT??? Shouldn't it be alignment indicative for you?

I'm now at page 29 and I hardly see BH being suspicious of anyone. He is wasting too much time with this RNG shit. I don't like it. Although I can't actually call it scummy yet.

This post makes me feel better about Xatalos:

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On October 23 2015 05:33 Xatalos wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is absolutely nothing alignment indicative in your rng Blazinghand, you know it, everyone should know it. "Figuring out" something regarding it is a waste of time.


Well it's kind of like... Imagine player X. He has a great record of posting a lengthy introduction post as scum when he starts the game, and as town he's so far just immediately jumped in

and started posting actual content. Now in a current game he immediately makes a lengthy introduction post.

Could he have done it as town to make himself harder to read? Possibly. But I'd still take into account that maybe the meta is repeating itself, no?

And if you read my posts, it's not just that about Blazinghand, but more like how he was so excited about the RNG when he's several times before said that it's pro-town. It would be harder

to convey that excitement as scum when he think it's so pro-town clearly.


I wouldn't give him a town read but it's enough to make me not want to lynch him

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On October 23 2015 06:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 06:34 Xatalos wrote:
On October 23 2015 06:30 Chromatically wrote:
Here's a better question imo: do you really think that BH would have a problem arguing the benefits of RNG lynch as mafia?

He wouldn't have any problem doing that at all, given that he's done the exact same thing many times before and RNG lynch is by definition completely independent of BH's alignment.


Well, read my last post.... Also, like I said, even if it might sound good in theory, he hasn't done that so far in his scumgames and it wouldn't probably be as easy in practise ESPECIALLY

if the RNG hit his teammate.

Do you feel like Blazinghand is pressuring me at the moment?
Do you feel like i feel pressured?
Do you thin kanyone whould feel pressured if the rng landed on them?


I totally agree with this. It looks really bad.


I thought these were very strange posts to get reads from. Why does my post in there give him such a strong townread on me? I LITERALLY said that BH hasn't done anything alignment indicative and I get a day pass for it??? What? The posts from ritoky and Xatalos he quoted also seemed very strange, since I do not consider those posts particularly town at all. This doesn't make sense from town, but it makes sense from a mafia trying to manufacture their town reads on players they already know are town.

In addition, I found this interaction with Vivax strange:
On October 23 2015 01:40 GlowingBear wrote:
Yamato isn't an easy catch day1 by the way, Viv. He is actually very hard to catch because a lot of times he is town he also AFK's and die because of that.
Like the last time he smurfed and got lynched. I think it's Himalayas?

Theoretically, GB has a scumread on Vivax at this point. So why is he basically giving tips to Vivax about how to read yamato? It makes more sense if he's unsure about his read and is starting to think Vivax is town, but his next list post just reaffirms that Vivax is his top scumread. I think this post is more likely to come from mafia, who already know that Vivax is town, than it is to come from a townie talking to someone they think is mafia.

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This is all in addition to the stuff that other people have said already about GB this game (usually related to his read on Vivax), which I won't repeat again here, and the general idea that GB really hasn't done much this game other than kind of just being around.

##Vote: GlowingBear

Sources:
Mini Mafia Down Under (town)
Battle of the Drams Mafia (town)
Mafia in the Himalayas (town)
Newbie Student Mafia XIV (mafia)
Game of Thrones Mini Mafia (mafia)
Mafia Mini Mafia 2 (mafia)
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 25 2015 00:09 GMT
#1638
I tried my best to not make it too long but please read it for me because it took like a really long time. At the very least read the meta sections because those are important and particularly strong imo.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 25 2015 00:18 GMT
#1645
On October 25 2015 08:52 Xatalos wrote:
Btw ritoky, I don't think BH was ever seriously after rayn... At least that's what he said. I have a lingering doubt that BH could have randomed his teammate (rayn), then went with it for a while and dropped it whenever he could... But that's kind of tinfoily already. Mostly that thought came to me when BH unvoted rayn so suddenly, when the wagon was starting to actually feel threatening for rayn, even though he had nothing better in mind either.

I think we are getting way way too tinfoily here. I agree with ritoky that doing anything assuming rayn is mafia is silly at this point until rayn flips.

Which, I am not very inclined to do now that marv is confirmed town. I'll trust that marv (and probably Onegu) can read rayn better than I can, at least until later in the game when we can talk about whether marv was wrong on rayn if we have to.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 25 2015 00:18 GMT
#1646
On October 25 2015 09:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
lol i have read 3 of those filters and i know he is scum.

Talking about GlowingBear filters?
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 25 2015 00:20 GMT
#1647
On October 25 2015 08:17 ritoky wrote:
so i just read hopeless' filter. here's a list of people he has given reads on:
rayn
marv
gumdrop

concerning.

Yeah rayn can you elaborate on your meta read at all (assuming you didn't already)? Or is it super top secret.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 25 2015 00:28 GMT
#1657
On October 25 2015 09:24 Xatalos wrote:
This is marv's "last will" post, so to say:

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On October 24 2015 18:26 marvellosity wrote:
yeah yamato was much less sexy than i hoped eod 1

meh

i have no strong townreads, maybe vivax still
think chrome is mafia but that's probably wrong too


This was before it:

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On October 24 2015 18:19 marvellosity wrote:
On October 24 2015 18:03 marvellosity wrote:
just popping in to say i'm not playing this game until either xata or i are dead, because apparently i'm not allowed to replace out because i loathe playing with someone this game.

maybe rayn is mafia and i was wrong d1, but i still don't think so.

that's all.


Meaning rayn's basically null / possible town for him, not a strong town lean at the least. That means his top secret meta thing doesn't apply anymore to rayn, at least. And... he basically stopped playing at that point, so who knows if he would have come around to scumread rayn later.

Lol I was literally in the middle of quoting those posts too. I think it's kind of open to interpretation because marv was not very excited about the game at that point. He clearly thought during D1 that rayn was very town, and who knows what he would have come around too after he had gotten over the lynch and started working on the game again. He's not a strong townread but I would assume, given what marv thought of rayn during D1, that he would still be pretty town on him.

Either way, I think the case for GB is much stronger than the case for rayn.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 25 2015 00:32 GMT
#1661
On October 25 2015 09:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On October 25 2015 09:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 25 2015 09:18 Chromatically wrote:
On October 25 2015 09:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
lol i have read 3 of those filters and i know he is scum.

Talking about GlowingBear filters?

Don't worry just lynch Xatalos on D3.
##vote Xatalos

Oh yeah you'll have one mislynch then.
Go with Xatalos -> GlowingBear -> gumshoe

ezpz win

So does this mean you agree GB is mafia then or not?

On October 25 2015 09:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I might or might not tell you why. Depends on my mood.

I thought we were friends rayn
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 25 2015 00:33 GMT
#1662
Seriously, stop it.

If either or both of you are town, the last thing we need right now is a stupid argument shitting up the thread. Don't do it.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 25 2015 00:36 GMT
#1665
On October 25 2015 09:35 Xatalos wrote:
Well, we sure as hell aren't both scum...

Sounds like something scum would say...

Xatalos/rayn/GlowingBear confirmed?
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 25 2015 00:46 GMT
#1673
On October 25 2015 09:41 Onegu wrote:
Nope Rayn hasnt left yet. He is still town.

Xata is making zero sense here.

##Vote: Xata

What was it that Xata said that made zero sense?
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 25 2015 04:38 GMT
#1686
On October 25 2015 09:46 Chromatically wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2015 09:41 Onegu wrote:
Nope Rayn hasnt left yet. He is still town.

Xata is making zero sense here.

##Vote: Xata

What was it that Xata said that made zero sense?
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 25 2015 04:55 GMT
#1687
I will not be here for a large part of tomorrow, so I want every town in this game to look hard at my case on GlowingBear and investigate him yourself. Look at his pushes this game and compare them to how he plays as town and as mafia (I even provided the filters so you can do it yourself). I feel really, really good about this case and I think this is a fantastic chance to get a mafia lynched. I really don't think there's a better case on anyone else at this point.

Xatalos is very likely town based on his activity and his clear drive to figure out the game alone. rayn/Onegu, I think you should step back from the game and see that Xatalos is one of the few people really trying to figure out this game. That's not enough to prove him town, but it's really a very strong argument for it and I think there's no way he is the best lynch today.

Xatalos, I think you really have to stop considering everything through the lens of rayn being mafia. There's always a chance that rayn is town, and if your read on him is wrong you don't want every other mafia read you've made to be wrong. You should consider everything based on what's objectively scummy now, and then worry about associations later once we have a mafia flip. That's not to say you should stop pursuing rayn if you think he's the most scummy, but don't make that assumption as a basis for all of your other reads.

I agree that I am liking Onegu less and less. Why would you ask GB if the case on him holds water? There's certainly no drive to figure out the game. I didn't like some of the other stuff he said today either (suspicion on ritoky and gumshoe, meta read on rayn seemed kind of like TMI).

rayn, can you answer my questions about GB and Hopeless?

I'm sorry if this post came across as me trying to lecture others. I don't mean to lecture and I don't think I'm a better player than the others in this game.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 25 2015 04:56 GMT
#1688
On October 25 2015 09:46 Chromatically wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2015 09:41 Onegu wrote:
Nope Rayn hasnt left yet. He is still town.

Xata is making zero sense here.

##Vote: Xata

What was it that Xata said that made zero sense?

This question is for Onegu to answer, in case he doesn't see it.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 25 2015 20:34 GMT
#1775
Guys we're lynching GB. He's still saying Vivax is his top mafia (do you seriously have nothing better by this point?) and isn't even remotely trying to push it at all. No comment on stuff that's been happening. Compare to town games. Compare to mafia games. Easy mafia.

I agree with BH's conclusion about rayn's Slam rage. I can totally see how rayn could get really mad over players like Slam just being in the game despite that fact that he wasn't as Slam-like as usual. I also actually really like gumshoe's post about rayn. I honestly think a world where rayn is town and just exploded after getting really mad is not unlikely at all. I think he's definitely not the best lynch today regardless.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 25 2015 20:36 GMT
#1776
On October 25 2015 13:56 Chromatically wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2015 09:46 Chromatically wrote:
On October 25 2015 09:41 Onegu wrote:
Nope Rayn hasnt left yet. He is still town.

Xata is making zero sense here.

##Vote: Xata

What was it that Xata said that made zero sense?

This question is for Onegu to answer, in case he doesn't see it.

Really strange that Onegu still hasn't answered this.

Like has he not seen it because he isn't reading? Is he ignoring it because he doesn't know what to say?

I don't really want to talk about why I think this is important until Onegu answers.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 25 2015 20:56 GMT
#1784
<3 ritoky

I'm just going to say that mafia is GlowingBear/Onegu/Hopeless for the point of postgame cred. I honestly feel pretty good about that.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 25 2015 21:00 GMT
#1785
Don't pay attention to the Hopeless part now though because that's mostly dependent on the other two being mafia.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 25 2015 21:03 GMT
#1786
Actually it kind of isn't, Hopeless looks pretty terrible. He just kind of asks some random questions that he doesn't do anything with and throws a vote on Slam, then peaces out later. He's third in line for me regardless of GB/Onegu's alignment.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 25 2015 21:07 GMT
#1789
On October 26 2015 06:04 ritoky wrote:
i mean it's the best case in the thread, i agree with it, and for some reason it is way hard to get people to vote on GB even though i think 75% of the thread has called him mafia at some point. these are good signs. also he read it and a lot of other things then did nothing. also he was super excited pre-game to play with me and then avoids me. i am a little butthurt about it.

Yeah I really don't get why it's so hard to get votes on GB. The thread consensus is that he's at least a little scummy but then no one wants to vote him once there's a case? idk
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 25 2015 21:18 GMT
#1792
Uh what?
On October 24 2015 01:00 GlowingBear wrote:
I think it's too early to lynch slam

Your argument is that GB, as mafia, would never defend the lynch target like this because it would turn suspicion back towards him. This post is literally never going to convince anyone not to vote Slam. Like... as mafia he's 100% safe making this post because it will have 0 effect on whether people vote Slam or not.

He says that Slam is town again later closer to lynch, but at that point there were 0 votes on GB and 4 on Slam, so GB isn't even a lynch target at all.
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