That's right ladies and gentlemen, this is a legit case so strap yourselves in.
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GB has not been pushing his scumreads like he does as town
On October 24 2015 03:07 GlowingBear wrote:
Sorry, why is he okay?
BTW I'm pretty sure Vivax is mafia now. He comes back, jokes about stuff, says some random stuff about killing me, but actually talks about nothing else in the game. His read on yamato has
vanished, too.
I can't understand what you guys find townie in him.
Sorry, why is he okay?
BTW I'm pretty sure Vivax is mafia now. He comes back, jokes about stuff, says some random stuff about killing me, but actually talks about nothing else in the game. His read on yamato has
vanished, too.
I can't understand what you guys find townie in him.
On October 24 2015 01:14 GlowingBear wrote:
I think best lynch today is BH. We all agree he has been lackluster and we have yet to see him being suspicious of a player. I don't remember him having scum reads
I think best lynch today is BH. We all agree he has been lackluster and we have yet to see him being suspicious of a player. I don't remember him having scum reads
On October 24 2015 04:07 GlowingBear wrote:
I don't want to lynch chromatically. Especially now that Vivax is voting him.
And I've been putting thoughts on Rayn. His flip one is bad. He said it was very unlikely I was scum and that I was very level headed with my read in Vivax.
Then Vivax said something about me scum reading him before asking questions, and Rayn agreed and called me scum over the same posts he called me "very unlikely to be mafia". It doesn't
make sense.
I'm voting rayn
I don't want to lynch chromatically. Especially now that Vivax is voting him.
And I've been putting thoughts on Rayn. His flip one is bad. He said it was very unlikely I was scum and that I was very level headed with my read in Vivax.
Then Vivax said something about me scum reading him before asking questions, and Rayn agreed and called me scum over the same posts he called me "very unlikely to be mafia". It doesn't
make sense.
I'm voting rayn
GB has three different lynch targets throughout the day (although he spends most of the time on Vivax). GB does not even make an attempt to get people to vote on BH or rayn other than the posts quoted here. Vivax he "pushes" on for a little bit earlier in the day, but it basically consisted of talking to marv a little bit about it and then discussing it with Vivax himself. He never really pushes it very hard.
Compare this to his other games (quotes all taken from D1):
As Town
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Mini Mafia Down Under
On July 27 2015 03:46 GlowingBear wrote:
1) Constantly whining about having to waste posts with bad things without actually using his remaining 50+ posts for anything else
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If he is so worried about wasting posts with useless stuff, WHY DOES HE WASTE POSTS TO KEEP SAYING HE IS ANNOYED? "Yes, one person is enough to annoy me", really?
Why is he so annoyed, man? "Everybody is playing like shit". No, nobody is playing like shit in this game. This game is pretty concise and to the point. His annoyance is unjustified, it's
ridiculous. Looks like mafia trying to fake being emotional.
2) Deflecting any early suspicions brought on him + guilty conscience
THIS IS HIS SECOND POST IN THE GAME! This is an unnatural reaction to what scott posted. In town mindset, the reaction I would expect would be "then you're stupid because I'm town" and not
"ok, you think I'm scum, am I the only one lol". It reveals mafia's guilty conscience.
More than that, and more important, it is a deflection of early pressure. He sees someone calling him scum and softly tries to shift pressure to someone else. If you ask "am I the only
one?" a common response would be "no, I didn't like X as well" and if they keep talking about X, the pressure is shifted.
The same reaction can be seen here:
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It can be interpreted in both ways: town not wanting to shit the thread, or scum deflecting pressure. Since Kelsier already displayed the deflection behaviour, the second option is more
likely.
3) Wanting to lynch me then backtracking when having no reasons to
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The progression is this, for people that doesn't want to read the posts: Kelsier says he doesn't like me and he would lynch me happily. I ask him why he doesn't like me. He says everything
I post looks stupid. I asked him what is stupid in them and why does that makes me mafia. He said it doesn't make me mafia but he would lynch me anyway, and that he is annoyed because
idiots (like me) are annoying him, but never says what are the problems with my posts. He then comes to the thread and says he wants to lynch "hopeless, clarity, obi and bf", not wanting
to lynch me.
It's simple: he said he didn't like me hoping to have me as an option for mislynch. When I confront it, he says I look stupid but he forgets it's something he doesn't believe is alignment
indicative for me. Then he says he would lynch me anyway implying that I annoy him. Well, I wasn't raising suspicions on him since that time. Now I've being pressuring him for the rest of
day1 and he doesn't want to lynch me anymore LOL. He is not annoyed with it.
What I mean with this is: his actions does not follows his discourse, which is mostly a scum trait.
Add to this the fact that he answers almost NOTHING of my posts directed to him. He just deflects them, adding to point (2) of this case.
4) HE IS VOTING TOFU INSTEAD OF SCOTT
HE IS FUCKING VOTING TOFU INSTEAD OF SCOTT. SCOTT WAS THE FIRST GUY TO ANNOY HIM (AND KELSIER WOULD LYNCH PEOPLE DOING THAT)! Why he doesn't prefer a scott lynch? Hell, a lot of people
thinks he is mafia! Instead of going against the guy that certainly looked as mafia for him, he is going against questionmark!Tofu. More than that, he wasn't advocating for a lynch on
Scott, but opened a range of possible lynches he would go against (tofu, scott, obi, clarity).
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, PEOPLE! COME ON!!!
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I am POSITIVE Kelsier is mafia. Vote him with me.
##Vote: KelsierSC
.:Case on KelsierSC:.
1) Constantly whining about having to waste posts with bad things without actually using his remaining 50+ posts for anything else
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If he is so worried about wasting posts with useless stuff, WHY DOES HE WASTE POSTS TO KEEP SAYING HE IS ANNOYED? "Yes, one person is enough to annoy me", really?
Why is he so annoyed, man? "Everybody is playing like shit". No, nobody is playing like shit in this game. This game is pretty concise and to the point. His annoyance is unjustified, it's
ridiculous. Looks like mafia trying to fake being emotional.
2) Deflecting any early suspicions brought on him + guilty conscience
THIS IS HIS SECOND POST IN THE GAME! This is an unnatural reaction to what scott posted. In town mindset, the reaction I would expect would be "then you're stupid because I'm town" and not
"ok, you think I'm scum, am I the only one lol". It reveals mafia's guilty conscience.
More than that, and more important, it is a deflection of early pressure. He sees someone calling him scum and softly tries to shift pressure to someone else. If you ask "am I the only
one?" a common response would be "no, I didn't like X as well" and if they keep talking about X, the pressure is shifted.
The same reaction can be seen here:
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On July 25 2015 19:54 KelsierSC wrote:
This isn't going to lead to anything productive so I think it's best to just end it here.
This isn't going to lead to anything productive so I think it's best to just end it here.
It can be interpreted in both ways: town not wanting to shit the thread, or scum deflecting pressure. Since Kelsier already displayed the deflection behaviour, the second option is more
likely.
3) Wanting to lynch me then backtracking when having no reasons to
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*/ even longer nested quote */
The progression is this, for people that doesn't want to read the posts: Kelsier says he doesn't like me and he would lynch me happily. I ask him why he doesn't like me. He says everything
I post looks stupid. I asked him what is stupid in them and why does that makes me mafia. He said it doesn't make me mafia but he would lynch me anyway, and that he is annoyed because
idiots (like me) are annoying him, but never says what are the problems with my posts. He then comes to the thread and says he wants to lynch "hopeless, clarity, obi and bf", not wanting
to lynch me.
It's simple: he said he didn't like me hoping to have me as an option for mislynch. When I confront it, he says I look stupid but he forgets it's something he doesn't believe is alignment
indicative for me. Then he says he would lynch me anyway implying that I annoy him. Well, I wasn't raising suspicions on him since that time. Now I've being pressuring him for the rest of
day1 and he doesn't want to lynch me anymore LOL. He is not annoyed with it.
What I mean with this is: his actions does not follows his discourse, which is mostly a scum trait.
Add to this the fact that he answers almost NOTHING of my posts directed to him. He just deflects them, adding to point (2) of this case.
4) HE IS VOTING TOFU INSTEAD OF SCOTT
HE IS FUCKING VOTING TOFU INSTEAD OF SCOTT. SCOTT WAS THE FIRST GUY TO ANNOY HIM (AND KELSIER WOULD LYNCH PEOPLE DOING THAT)! Why he doesn't prefer a scott lynch? Hell, a lot of people
thinks he is mafia! Instead of going against the guy that certainly looked as mafia for him, he is going against questionmark!Tofu. More than that, he wasn't advocating for a lynch on
Scott, but opened a range of possible lynches he would go against (tofu, scott, obi, clarity).
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, PEOPLE! COME ON!!!
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Points on Kelsier were brought many times and no one quickly jumped on it, not even Scott, who was suspicions on Kelsier in the first place. The quick and unreasonable town
reads Kelsier got points out that scum didn't want him as a possible mislynch.
reads Kelsier got points out that scum didn't want him as a possible mislynch.
I am POSITIVE Kelsier is mafia. Vote him with me.
##Vote: KelsierSC
On July 27 2015 06:28 GlowingBear wrote:
Thought process does not compute.
You think Tofu is Mafia
Then you say Mafia is trying to take people out of the tofu wagon.
The alternate wagon is clarity. I suppose you may think Mafia could be there.
But you call Mafia people that were in other wagons and does not consider people that moved to the clarity wagon.
You even raise suspicions on me but you don't call me Mafia (?), what's the point then?
Then you dive clarity and suddenly he is bad? What about Mafia protecting tofu by forming another wagon?????
Your thought process makes no sense and it completely fits Mafia perspective
GUYS VOTE SCOTT PLEASE
Thought process does not compute.
You think Tofu is Mafia
Then you say Mafia is trying to take people out of the tofu wagon.
The alternate wagon is clarity. I suppose you may think Mafia could be there.
But you call Mafia people that were in other wagons and does not consider people that moved to the clarity wagon.
You even raise suspicions on me but you don't call me Mafia (?), what's the point then?
Then you dive clarity and suddenly he is bad? What about Mafia protecting tofu by forming another wagon?????
Your thought process makes no sense and it completely fits Mafia perspective
GUYS VOTE SCOTT PLEASE
On July 27 2015 06:35 GlowingBear wrote:
I mean, if you THINK Mafia is trying to take votes off of Mafia!Tofu you MUST consider they are forming the alternate wagon INSTEAD of ignoring people forming the alternate wagon and
placing votes somewhere else. There is no other option
EVEN if you believed in what you just said, it would make me completely Mafia, and not just something you would say "I don't know you're Mafia". Then other Mafia are boxerfred (?) and
PROBABLY A VET? Why a vet, which vet, why not me.
Then you simply say you could lynch clarity, man. You just said Mafia was taking votes off of tofu.
You can't me town.
PEOPLE PLEASE, SCOTT CAN'T BE TOWN
I mean, if you THINK Mafia is trying to take votes off of Mafia!Tofu you MUST consider they are forming the alternate wagon INSTEAD of ignoring people forming the alternate wagon and
placing votes somewhere else. There is no other option
EVEN if you believed in what you just said, it would make me completely Mafia, and not just something you would say "I don't know you're Mafia". Then other Mafia are boxerfred (?) and
PROBABLY A VET? Why a vet, which vet, why not me.
Then you simply say you could lynch clarity, man. You just said Mafia was taking votes off of tofu.
You can't me town.
PEOPLE PLEASE, SCOTT CAN'T BE TOWN
Battle of the Drams Mafia:
On October 01 2015 04:18 GlowingBear wrote:
And truffle's recent posts are looking townie which is making me doubt my scum read on him.
So there is that.
LYNCH COOL TL NAME.
Brb later
And truffle's recent posts are looking townie which is making me doubt my scum read on him.
So there is that.
LYNCH COOL TL NAME.
Brb later
On October 01 2015 06:54 GlowingBear wrote:
STOP
Keep your votes on COOL TL he is Mafia
STOP
Keep your votes on COOL TL he is Mafia
On October 01 2015 06:57 GlowingBear wrote:
DO NOT VOTE SCOTT FUCKING KILL COOL TL
ARGH
DAMDRED ISN'T EVEN CLAIMING TRACKER, HE IS CLAIMING HE WILL HE DEAD
DO NOT VOTE SCOTT FUCKING KILL COOL TL
ARGH
DAMDRED ISN'T EVEN CLAIMING TRACKER, HE IS CLAIMING HE WILL HE DEAD
As Mafia
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Newbie Student XIV:
On September 07 2015 02:26 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm voting scott. I don't see a better lynch than him.
I'm voting scott. I don't see a better lynch than him.
On September 07 2015 03:55 GlowingBear wrote:
I really think noobking shouldn't be the lynch today. Vote scott.
I really think noobking shouldn't be the lynch today. Vote scott.
On September 07 2015 05:36 GlowingBear wrote:
Superbia, I'm home but I'm not feeling well, so I'm not going to format it well so I can take a quick nap quicker:
This post may appear contributive at first glance but it's basically a summary of the thread at that point and reads accordingly to thread sentiment, bringing nothing new to the table. Why
is Rayn town, why he is so quick to give yamato a townread like that? Why just saying I'm "drinking" again, discrediting me? It's a bunch of rehash with an attempt of looking contributive
without actually contributing.
He then starts to post reads accordingly to his progression on the pages of thread, cluttering the thread with partial and outdated information he keeps further reevaluating instead of
just giving his opinion on one big post. My problem with this is that he is again trying to look contributive while not actually being contributive. Worse. He is cluttering the thread just
to show "look, I'm doing stuff!" instead of interacting and actually search for Mafia.
He is very bold when he gives reads. Calls Nocturne "town" with no back reqsoning when he was suspicious of mage's slot. He gives 3 names of people he thinks are Mafia and he could lynch
(sayinf maybe I'm not Mafia an cake is) but posts this:
For someone who has 3-4 scumreads, this is extremely scummy. Why is he okay with boxer's lynch if he has THREE better targets and he even ADMITS boxer is only a policy?
I see no better lynch.
Superbia, I'm home but I'm not feeling well, so I'm not going to format it well so I can take a quick nap quicker:
This post may appear contributive at first glance but it's basically a summary of the thread at that point and reads accordingly to thread sentiment, bringing nothing new to the table. Why
is Rayn town, why he is so quick to give yamato a townread like that? Why just saying I'm "drinking" again, discrediting me? It's a bunch of rehash with an attempt of looking contributive
without actually contributing.
He then starts to post reads accordingly to his progression on the pages of thread, cluttering the thread with partial and outdated information he keeps further reevaluating instead of
just giving his opinion on one big post. My problem with this is that he is again trying to look contributive while not actually being contributive. Worse. He is cluttering the thread just
to show "look, I'm doing stuff!" instead of interacting and actually search for Mafia.
He is very bold when he gives reads. Calls Nocturne "town" with no back reqsoning when he was suspicious of mage's slot. He gives 3 names of people he thinks are Mafia and he could lynch
(sayinf maybe I'm not Mafia an cake is) but posts this:
For someone who has 3-4 scumreads, this is extremely scummy. Why is he okay with boxer's lynch if he has THREE better targets and he even ADMITS boxer is only a policy?
I see no better lynch.
Game of Thrones Mini Mafia:
On April 18 2015 05:15 GlowingBear wrote:
...
I've already said I'd prefer to lynch a scummy lurker at this point.
It's not that I can't lynch SL, it's that I can deal with him later since I have information on him
...
I've already said I'd prefer to lynch a scummy lurker at this point.
It's not that I can't lynch SL, it's that I can deal with him later since I have information on him
On April 18 2015 06:36 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm voting loafery thrn art
Vote with me
I'm voting loafery thrn art
Vote with me
Mafia Mini Mafia 2:
On April 08 2015 03:48 GlowingBear wrote:
Lol Damdy. Last time you said this you were Mafia.
I also don't have to rely on meta this early. Again, I also know well your gameplay so I can figure you out later better. I need more information on you so I can draft a meta argument.
That is why I think you should be Mafia, though: jumping too fast on the conclusion that I am Mafia.
Lol Damdy. Last time you said this you were Mafia.
I also don't have to rely on meta this early. Again, I also know well your gameplay so I can figure you out later better. I need more information on you so I can draft a meta argument.
That is why I think you should be Mafia, though: jumping too fast on the conclusion that I am Mafia.
As town, GB not only pushes his target a lot, but is very passionate about doing so (doing capslock or spamming the thread to vote for his target). As mafia, he may have a target but he is much calmer about it and doesn't seem to be very invested in the lynch. GB's pushes this game have resembled his mafia pushes much much more than they resemble his town pushes by not having any passion for pushing his targets and not being invested in the lynch at all.
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Total activity
Here's just some numbers on activity for the games I looked at. Each number represents the page of filter GB was on after D1 finishes.
Town games:
Mini Mafia Down Under (this was a post restricted game): 5 pages
Battle of the Drams: 9 pages
Mafia in the Himalayas: 13 pages
Mafia games:
Newbie Student XIV: 7 pages
Game of Thrones Mini: 3 pages
Mafia Mini Mafia 2: 5 pages
Average town: 9 pages
Average mafia: 5 pages
This game: 4 pages
Of course, this isn't conclusive: activity is not entirely indicative of alignment, and the sample size of only 3 games per side means that this could be misrepresentative. However, I think the difference between town and mafia activity on D1 (even including a post restricted game!) is large enough to make it a point worth considering in conjunction with the other points.
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Other non-meta stuff
One thing I thought was really weird from GB this game are the posts he pinged out when rereading the thread.
On October 23 2015 11:59 GlowingBear wrote:
/*TAKEN FROM WITHIN THE SPOILER IN HIS LIST POST*/
This post makes me think ritoky is town. I had a similar impression to gumshoe's early posts and it's finally something unrelated to RNG discussion.
I don't like this post from gumshoe simply because there are a lot more reasons why someone would RNG, and everyone knows RNG isn't alignment indicative for BH (he has done it as both
alignments). If he thinks this something that should be ignore, why putting so many thoughts on it just to say that?
I also am not liking Xatalos posts in this game. Xatalos is usually more extensive in his posts when he is town, and he usually talk about relevant stuff. Here, he wasted too much time
talking about the RNG and his reads are usually... I don't know... not committed enough? I don't like it.
I'm at page 19 and gumshoe is still talking about BH. Argh.
I like this post A LOT, especially because he pointed out the stuff on BH. I feel very comfortable to give Chromatically a day pass just for this.
YEAH XATA, IT'S A BIT FUNNY. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF IT??? Shouldn't it be alignment indicative for you?
I'm now at page 29 and I hardly see BH being suspicious of anyone. He is wasting too much time with this RNG shit. I don't like it. Although I can't actually call it scummy yet.
This post makes me feel better about Xatalos:
I wouldn't give him a town read but it's enough to make me not want to lynch him
I totally agree with this. It looks really bad.
/*TAKEN FROM WITHIN THE SPOILER IN HIS LIST POST*/
This post makes me think ritoky is town. I had a similar impression to gumshoe's early posts and it's finally something unrelated to RNG discussion.
I don't like this post from gumshoe simply because there are a lot more reasons why someone would RNG, and everyone knows RNG isn't alignment indicative for BH (he has done it as both
alignments). If he thinks this something that should be ignore, why putting so many thoughts on it just to say that?
I also am not liking Xatalos posts in this game. Xatalos is usually more extensive in his posts when he is town, and he usually talk about relevant stuff. Here, he wasted too much time
talking about the RNG and his reads are usually... I don't know... not committed enough? I don't like it.
I'm at page 19 and gumshoe is still talking about BH. Argh.
I like this post A LOT, especially because he pointed out the stuff on BH. I feel very comfortable to give Chromatically a day pass just for this.
YEAH XATA, IT'S A BIT FUNNY. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF IT??? Shouldn't it be alignment indicative for you?
I'm now at page 29 and I hardly see BH being suspicious of anyone. He is wasting too much time with this RNG shit. I don't like it. Although I can't actually call it scummy yet.
This post makes me feel better about Xatalos:
I wouldn't give him a town read but it's enough to make me not want to lynch him
I totally agree with this. It looks really bad.
I thought these were very strange posts to get reads from. Why does my post in there give him such a strong townread on me? I LITERALLY said that BH hasn't done anything alignment indicative and I get a day pass for it??? What? The posts from ritoky and Xatalos he quoted also seemed very strange, since I do not consider those posts particularly town at all. This doesn't make sense from town, but it makes sense from a mafia trying to manufacture their town reads on players they already know are town.
In addition, I found this interaction with Vivax strange:
On October 23 2015 01:40 GlowingBear wrote:
Yamato isn't an easy catch day1 by the way, Viv. He is actually very hard to catch because a lot of times he is town he also AFK's and die because of that.
Like the last time he smurfed and got lynched. I think it's Himalayas?
Yamato isn't an easy catch day1 by the way, Viv. He is actually very hard to catch because a lot of times he is town he also AFK's and die because of that.
Like the last time he smurfed and got lynched. I think it's Himalayas?
Theoretically, GB has a scumread on Vivax at this point. So why is he basically giving tips to Vivax about how to read yamato? It makes more sense if he's unsure about his read and is starting to think Vivax is town, but his next list post just reaffirms that Vivax is his top scumread. I think this post is more likely to come from mafia, who already know that Vivax is town, than it is to come from a townie talking to someone they think is mafia.
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This is all in addition to the stuff that other people have said already about GB this game (usually related to his read on Vivax), which I won't repeat again here, and the general idea that GB really hasn't done much this game other than kind of just being around.
##Vote: GlowingBear
Sources:
Mini Mafia Down Under (town)
Battle of the Drams Mafia (town)
Mafia in the Himalayas (town)
Newbie Student Mafia XIV (mafia)
Game of Thrones Mini Mafia (mafia)
Mafia Mini Mafia 2 (mafia)