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On October 24 2015 04:10 marvellosity wrote:
your posting a defence of a case as similar to you just giving out random townreads here? where your motivation was literally to stop that wagon forming and lynch your own choice?
srsly?
okay.
nothing further your honour
Oh okay I see, both of those don't count as townreads.
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Yeah, that post was dumb. I was getting fired up for no reason. Marv has a reasonable point, the way he presented it just looked bad to me.
Still town though.
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BH didn't you have a townread on me? When did you get this hard-on for lynching me?
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I agree slam lynch is better than onegu lynch.
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Honestly I don't have a problem with that list post from Onegu.
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The list post really just looked like he was saying what he thought of people, didn't look edited or crafted in any way. The rest of his filter feels vaguely town to me.
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No chrome shenannies please.
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I think I'm probably wrong about a lot of things this game, so I'm planning on reevaluating everything this night.
A lot of the criticism of me is that I'm posting "mechanically" and not interacting with the thread much, and I think that's fair but not something that makes me mafia. I'm trying to put my thoughts in the thread in a clear way, which is probably what people see as mechanical. People have also just kind of ignored the things I post for a lot of this game, so it's a bit difficult to interact with the thread (for example, my whole post on Xatalos was totally ignored by everyone). Maybe that's just because the stuff I was posting was bad and I think that's probably true honestly so I'll try to make it less bad.
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On October 24 2015 18:04 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 08:58 Chromatically wrote:
I think I'm probably wrong about a lot of things this game, so I'm planning on reevaluating everything this night.
A lot of the criticism of me is that I'm posting "mechanically" and not interacting with the thread much, and I think that's fair but not something that makes me mafia. I'm trying to put my thoughts in the thread in a clear way, which is probably what people see as mechanical. People have also just kind of ignored the things I post for a lot of this game, so it's a bit difficult to interact with the thread (for example, my whole post on Xatalos was totally ignored by everyone). Maybe that's just because the stuff I was posting was bad and I think that's probably true honestly so I'll try to make it less bad. Well, sorry to say this, but your cases / big posts have been rather unremarkable so far. At least with both the ritoky case and the case on me, I don't think there was really anything noteworthy? Not really sure if you even believed so yourself, looking at how you just went along with the flow and didn't really push / develop either case through discussion? I'll need to relook at you before my possible death though. In the meanwhile, it would be nice if you could post your reconsidered stuff. Preferably with the thought processes you had and considerations for meta / overall motivations, not just general scum traits applied to particular posts.
Yeah, I really liked them when I posted them but I started not feeling very good about them after. Like they were logically still correct in my mind and so I felt like I should but I didn't really want to push them especially since everyone else didn't like them.
I'm working on the stuff now, I don't have anything really to do today so I should have the goods before night.
Also I've been trying make my posts serious but everyone says I can't have fun now  Guys... I can be fun too I promise...
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On October 24 2015 17:44 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 11:15 gumshoe wrote:
Ritoky's switch onto Onegu last second makes very little sense as scum, if Onegu is town and gets bussed last sec, Ritoky looks terrible. If Onegue is scum, he just helped kill his teamate 0_0 seems like a dumb and unnecessary risk when town is already fixated on slam.
It's possible Ritoky was super confident Bh's lynch wouldn't go through, but then why bother at all? Just to distance himself from the slam lynch? Could backfire huge if Onegu actually did get lynched (would look like a last second buss off of Ritoky's buddy slam) Hm yes... That makes some sense. Although I think BH is more towny for starting the whole shenanigans in that situation. If he was scum and either rayn or Onegu was scum, it was madness. Even if they were both town (unlikely), it was just an unnecessary action that could cause trouble for him if a switch actually succeeded. The only way I see it making sense for scum BH (or scum ritoky) is if they were very certain that nothing would come out of it and it would plausibly buy them credibility. That's not even entirely impossible, considering what ended up happening. Still, that seems a lot less likely if either rayn or Onegu was scum (likely).
I'm not sure I agree with this logic on switching overall. If the switch goes through and they lynch Onegu/rayn/me as town, they can say "Well, they looked bad so it made sense. Whoops!" and then have a very easy target (Slam) to push for D2. That's not that it makes it more likely from mafia, but I don't think it's necessarily town.
If Onegu ends up being mafia then BH isn't, but that's getting into murky waters.
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Alright I feel like I maybe actually know what's going on, a little bit.
I've been on team rayn but I think I should have been on team Xatalos. Xatalos is like definitely town now, given the way he's posted around deadline and his obvious effort to figure stuff out in N1. I'm looking much much harder at rayn. I think I was kind of giving him a pass on what he was saying because I agreed with his conclusions. #flipthosereads
I want to look at more stuff in depth before posting more definitive reads in an attempt to avoid looking like more of an idiot (whoops) but I'll try to put something out before N1 ends? Not sure how important that is though because I think I might be a bit of a suboptimal kill here.
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It was just a kind of silly way to put it, but a lot of D1 was rayn/marv arguing with Xatalos/ritoky/Slam over stuff. I was agreeing with rayn's side of things during the day (Xatalos/ritoky are mafia, rayn is town) but I think I agree more with Xatalos now (Xatalos/ritoky town). marv is probably town either way. I want to say rayn is mafia, but I'm not sure on that at all and I'm still looking into it.
I do have another person that I've been looking at and I'm like pretty sure on them being mafia. I'll post something big about them at some point, probably after I've looked into rayn.
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Yeah that's pretty likely lol. It's GlowingBear. He really stuck out to me when I looked at D1 for just kind of being there in the thread and not really pushing much. When I checked out his meta, he gets really passionate about pushing something D1 as town and doesn't seem to push anything that much as mafia. And, he's significantly more active as town (just based off of filter length D1 between town/mafia games).
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I guess here's my basic idea right now:
Xatalos
gumshoe
ritoky
yamato
marv
Vivax
BH
Hopeless
Onegu
rayn
GB
I feel pretty confident the top group is town, and I wanted to put rayn in the bottom group on feel but I haven't looked into it enough to feel comfortable saying that right at this moment. Been spending my time mostly on GB.
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Yeah I can agree with that about marv. I feel like it would be weird for scum marv to blatantly defend scum rayn like that, but that's getting into sketchy territory.
I'll post a full thing about GB soon if you're still alive at that point. I don't think there's an anti-association with rayn tbh (I remember rayn and Koshi completely going at it in the thread in GoT when they were both mafia), but yeah that's unflipped anyway.
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I feel like I should talk to you about rayn right now but I agree with most of the points you recently posted about him being mafia. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to criticize people for flipping their reads though...
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I really really don't think that unflipped associations are the right way to go about this, and if you're alive we can talk about it in the day when I make a longer post on GB. (And either way I really don't think being in the anti-rayn faction is a reason for someone to not be mafia with rayn.)
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On October 25 2015 05:45 Xatalos wrote:
I mean... I think the timing of GB's vote on rayn almost certainly rules out a GB-rayn scumteam. It made the situation 5-4, extremely close. At that point it was still hard to say if rayn was "safe" and it would be extremely, extremely risky for him to vote for scum rayn there.
I repeat: do not lynch GB tomorrow. Not unless rayn is town.
Hmm yeah I didn't notice that... there were still two hours until lynch but even so it would be risky. I don't think that's a reason not to lynch GB though. I haven't even like posted a case though so this is a little silly for me to be trying to argue this.
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On October 25 2015 05:51 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2015 05:27 Chromatically wrote:
I guess here's my basic idea right now:
Xatalos
gumshoe
ritoky
yamato
marv
Vivax
BH
Hopeless
Onegu
rayn
GB
I feel pretty confident the top group is town, and I wanted to put rayn in the bottom group on feel but I haven't looked into it enough to feel comfortable saying that right at this moment. Been spending my time mostly on GB. Why is ritoky town to you?
ritoky is like a very strong feel read now I guess? The way he's joking seems like he's very comfortable in the thread. I agree with what Xatalos said about when he was in the conversation with Xatalos/marv, I liked the stuff he said about marv there a lot. I also liked this post:
On October 24 2015 18:28 ritoky wrote:
chrom seemed mafia to me cuz he couldn't take a joke, and his mafia case on me was "I'M SUPER SRS, YOU'RE NOT SUPER SRS, WHAT'S THIS GUY'S PROBLEM? OMG MAFIA~~~~ DO YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND HIM? HE SPEAKS IN TONGUES!@?!@?!@?!@>>!" but i am hesitant cuz effort level and actual cases and re-evaluating and blahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh makes me not wanna commit to a read on him cuz i am a bitch.
because it seems like genuine townie hesitation to commit to a read they're not sure of (easy to just call me mafia or town as mafia).
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