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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 28 2015 15:44 GMT
#2851
Dunno... It just feels like he throws scum/townreads around too casually. This Xatalos/hopeless thing now too... Ignoring rayn's scumreads on GB/ritoky.... And instead pushing us two.. Why?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 28 2015 15:51 GMT
#2853
On October 23 2015 23:34 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 23:31 marvellosity wrote:
1. marvellosity
2. Vivax
8. Xatalos
13. yamato77

3. Blazinghand
4. gumshoe
6. Hopeless1der
7. raynpelikoneet

9. Onegu
12. ritoky

5. GlowingBear
10. Chromatically
11. Alakaslam

groups are in no particular order (e.g. rayn would be higher)


Could you explain the scum read on me other than my read on Vivax?

Also, how come hopeless and onegu looks better than chrom?


Btw ritoky, where did marv townread Onegu? I think he was in marv's lynchable group here?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 28 2015 15:55 GMT
#2855
Seems like both marv and rayn thought of hopeless as rather highly town... Prolly not the best lynch..
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 28 2015 15:57 GMT
#2856
On October 25 2015 17:32 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2015 12:17 Onegu wrote:
On October 25 2015 10:43 GlowingBear wrote:
I hardly believe any scum would put so much effort in a case like that on me.

But I'm not scum.



But does his case hold water? Like the meta?

I havent fully read it yet. I am getting some sleep now.


I don't know, I haven't read the case since I'm town, so that automatically makes his case completely wrong


Eh... These responses aren't really good though...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 28 2015 16:03 GMT
#2857
Can't really come to a conclusion on GB. He's a mystery.

Onegu is still probably scum though.

Even more so since his senseless push for me/hopeless today (when actually marv/rayn townread hopeless and I kind of agree to an extent).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 28 2015 16:26 GMT
#2860
Actually rayn did call hopeless scum at the end, but that was just an inactivity thing basically... dunno
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 28 2015 16:36 GMT
#2862
8?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 28 2015 16:38 GMT
#2863
If we apply numeric values then maybe something like this...

gumshoe - 10
BH - 9
Vivax - 8
Chromatically - 7
ritoky - 5
hopeless - 4
GlowingBear - 3
Onegu - 1
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 28 2015 16:49 GMT
#2867
On October 26 2015 21:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyways:

"O, woe is me, T'have seen what I have seen, see what I see!"
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 24 2015 04:37 ritoky wrote:
reading the thread...wondering what happened to BH the 2nd half of this phase.

On October 23 2015 07:26 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 07:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:21 ritoky wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:17 ritoky wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:13 marvellosity wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay after poe i am lynching into:

Blazinghand
Xatalos
Onegu
Alakaslam
ritoky

i am pretty sure we have three mafia there.

i thought you told me ritoky was town?

yeah that was yesterday.


On October 23 2015 06:53 ritoky wrote:
On October 22 2015 12:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i think ritoky is town tbh


On October 23 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay after poe i am lynching into:

Blazinghand
Xatalos
Onegu
Alakaslam
ritoky

i am pretty sure we have three mafia there.


On October 23 2015 05:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't understand the reads on ritoky. He literally said:
"BH is town until he does something egregious enough to be considered not town."
"generally speaking he doesn't rng as mafia, but i wouldn't put it past him to break meta."

So what? He townreads Blazinghand for something he then says, in the next post, is not a reason to townread Blazinghand`!!?


On October 23 2015 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:39 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I fail to see how i am being "aggressive" here, so could you explain BH?


well, not towards me. You're actually being a little more gentle with me, compared to normal. Normally I'd expect you to end up TRing ritoky for that on your own. Maybe it's been some time since we played together, or my edge is getting dull, but I recall you being pretty good at noticing people's motivations.

ritoky is a really had to read for me and i don't think he has said much of anything that could be in my opinion considered townie.

Maybe it's jsut like you say and other people do not know you as well as i do (and what you can / cannot do as mafia), but still... it's really hard for me to believe both of Xatalos and ritoky actually believe you are town for your actions regarding the rng lynch. I just don't fucking buy it.


nice one bro.


respond.

no


y'know, gonna be honest here. you're the most underwhelming player that people tell me is good on these forums. i just don't see it; maybe i am the one who is so bad i can't comprehend your greatness; but i don't think that's the case.

I don't talk to people who i think are mafia or will not understand me anyways.


i think i am content ignoring everything you say in every game going forward; it doesn't have much value or good reason in it anywayz.

I think if i have this convo with someone they think i am mafia, at least they should imo.
On October 24 2015 05:00 ritoky wrote:
bh being very sexy to me again right now. probably gonna sheep him.

On October 24 2015 05:18 ritoky wrote:
##vote: alakaslam

cuz BH said so.

here in between he votes for Onegu (who is btw never gonna get lynched on D1).
On October 24 2015 10:02 ritoky wrote:
xata is right about this. slam was the least chupazi he has been in recent games. he was in fact significantly more serious than normal resulting in an around a 50% serious post rate which is astounding for him. as desperate as i am to try and ignore everything rayn posts, when he posts for 3 straight pages....anywayz his reaction is overblown and worthless.

+ Show Spoiler +
at least my meta read on slam is still perfect

On October 26 2015 18:00 ritoky wrote:
honestly i am tired and whiny and i just wish this game were easier.

i have 1 guy in xata who is either playing 5 steps ahead or in a tunnel potentially filled of rage.
i have 1 guy in yamato who is constantly handing out empty promises.
i have 1 guy in hopeless who might have died irl.
i have 1 guy in rayn who ragequit lyfe, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
i have 1 guy in GB who has never once been so disenfranchised with a mafia game.
i have 1 guy in onegu who has had the tonal shift of the ages.

like why can't this be easier right now? seriously. all i want are town reads that are trying to find mafia. not all of those people can be mafia....and that isn't even considering if there's a sneakster mafia.

i am just tired and want town reads. is this too much to ask for?

boohoo... cries.... in... vain...


I'm not really sure if I get how this makes ritoky scum? Could someone enlighten me?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 28 2015 16:50 GMT
#2868
On October 29 2015 01:49 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2015 01:38 Xatalos wrote:
If we apply numeric values then maybe something like this...

gumshoe - 10
BH - 9
Vivax - 8
Chromatically - 7
ritoky - 5
hopeless - 4
GlowingBear - 3
Onegu - 1



Hm?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 28 2015 16:51 GMT
#2870
On October 29 2015 01:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2015 00:57 Xatalos wrote:
On October 25 2015 17:32 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 25 2015 12:17 Onegu wrote:
On October 25 2015 10:43 GlowingBear wrote:
I hardly believe any scum would put so much effort in a case like that on me.

But I'm not scum.



But does his case hold water? Like the meta?

I havent fully read it yet. I am getting some sleep now.


I don't know, I haven't read the case since I'm town, so that automatically makes his case completely wrong


Eh... These responses aren't really good though...


What am I supposed to say, Xatalos? If people compare my gameplay in this game with other games I've played and reach the conclusion I'm mafia, the meta is wrong because I'm town. There's nothing else to be said here


Well... I guess as town it should be easier demolish cases since they're wrong... Right?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 28 2015 17:13 GMT
#2878
On October 29 2015 01:51 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2015 01:49 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 29 2015 01:38 Xatalos wrote:
If we apply numeric values then maybe something like this...

gumshoe - 10
BH - 9
Vivax - 8
Chromatically - 7
ritoky - 5
hopeless - 4
GlowingBear - 3
Onegu - 1



I think you have two mafias in your top townies


Vivax and gumshoe...? Really?

Well, we still have a whole day to decide the lynch..
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 28 2015 17:29 GMT
#2884
Interesting...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 28 2015 17:41 GMT
#2886
One crazy idea I had is that the scumteam could be something like Onegu/GB/ritoky since they've all had these hipster suspicions in the last 24 hours - maybe feeling pressed into a corner and needing to redirect attention? Could also explain the rayn NK as trying to shake things up, and rayn's scumread on GB/ritoky....

But there are some problems with that team. For example, ritoky eagerly jumped on Onegu D1, and again voted for GB D2. GB has also pushed Onegu lately. Could be bussing I guess, but especially ritoky is a bit hard to explain.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 28 2015 17:54 GMT
#2889
True, I suppose... In any case, there should be at least one scum within GB/Onegu, so I'm not really sad whichever gets picked today. Hopefully they're both scum or we hit the correct one first.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 28 2015 18:16 GMT
#2892
I guess it could me a mix of both though or something? Not sure how far we should read into it?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 28 2015 18:32 GMT
#2896
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"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 28 2015 19:13 GMT
#2899
Will be interesting to see what hopeless does indeed.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 28 2015 19:21 GMT
#2900
Btw gumshoe, I'm not sure how much that argument helps, since it kind of just aligns with whatever you otherwise find scummy? Like if you found me and BH scummy, it would just equally align with those reads? But I guess it's worth pursuing whatever ways to solve the game
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 28 2015 23:54 GMT
#2907
Hm yeah, that is a pretty extreme tunnel.... Though he did mention that Vivax has "made some townie posts"? Well, that's a very vague description, I agree. And Vivax has just remained safely scummy throughout the game even if the reasons change :/

Can't say I'm really sad if we solve him today.

Might even vote for him closer to deadline if you think GB is a much better option than Onegu, Chromatically.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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