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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 27 2015 17:32 GMT
#2560
On October 23 2015 23:47 marvellosity wrote:
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On October 23 2015 23:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Chromatically's oplay is completely different from his scumgames where he basically picks a person and tunnels that into oblivion.

yeah? hopefully i'll pick that up later


Hmmmm..... This started to concern me a bit though....
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 27 2015 17:37 GMT
#2561
On October 24 2015 00:51 marvellosity wrote:
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On October 24 2015 00:48 Xatalos wrote:
I mean.... Your merits this game are defending rayn (who's played exactly according to his scumgame so far, and made many unfathomable logical jumps) based on something that never really happened at the start, and some vague "nice posts" he's made. And attacking Slam for posts that I actually really liked about ritoky/rayn.

okay, you are welcome to think this

but when i end up being right about rayn, i reserve the right to never listen to your opinions in any game ever again.


Heh.... Now I really hope rayn is scum.... Too bad I forgot to demand a counter-bet
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 27 2015 17:42 GMT
#2562
On October 24 2015 05:19 marvellosity wrote:
best two reasons to lynch slam:

1. he said he couldn't be lynched d1
2. piss xata off


....... :/
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 27 2015 17:52 GMT
#2566
And now I'm depressed after reading the last pages of marv's filter...

I guess I was a bit too persistent in arguing with him though, overall. Neither of our attitudes were really too productive in those moments.

The points with Chromatically gave me some renewed concern. It's also a bit uncomfortable how rayn soft defended him, then marv went to see for himself and showed it wrong... Why would town rayn give that defense then in the first place?

Not sure how you got ritoky = scum though Vivax? I agree he's been less and less noteworthy over time, but... Did marv ever suspect him?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 27 2015 17:54 GMT
#2568
I could have yolo'd onto Hopeless, but there was nobody else going onto Hopeless and we were at least guaranteeing yamato's lynch, so....
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 27 2015 18:09 GMT
#2573
Hmmm....

I guess that's a bit of a weird reaction...

How sold are you on this dream team of rayn/Chromatically/ritoky? I still kind of feel like Onegu is scum, and he seems like a safe lynch tomorrow. Then again, I guess there's always the incomprehensible possibility that he's town and just plays like this... I guess he did play a bit similarly as town in that earlier game.... And marv liked him too... >.> I really don't want to believe it though...

Hopeless is pretty much a policy lynch...

I guess that team wouldn't be impossible. Least confident on ritoky maybe, but rayn can very easily be scum and Chromatically could be too, considering that weird soft defense of him by rayn (which actually fits him more with his scum meta here? - picking a target and continuing to push it through eternity).. hm... In that case I'd want to lynch rayn first of all though.

All of these 3 have wanted GB dead so I guess that's a point for GB?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 27 2015 18:14 GMT
#2574
You're not making your position any easier by calling Vivax and gumshoe scum though GB :/ If you're actually town, you need to look at things objectively, and see that they have both made around the most good posts in this game (I'll admit that even though I have vastly the most posts, they both have more actually helpful posts probably). They were also both invested in how to handle the D2 lynch... Same with BH... And just overall they're one of the few positive forces pushing scumhunting in this game full of hate and trolling. You could really use just taking a step back and consider the situation calmly, like you saw that I was town from my meta, and see that Vivax's scum meta is way more inactive and useless than this, and I doubt gumshoe has ever played this well before even as town...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 27 2015 18:16 GMT
#2575
Tbh I think GB might just be in an extremely defensive/paranoid stance atm... Kind of like I was regarding marv at one point.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 27 2015 18:20 GMT
#2576
I really don't see what scum GB would achieve by pushing consensus townies... Seems too suicidal and "solo-centric" (alone against the conspiracy of hidden scum or something). Bad nonetheless, but I can't really blame him too much looking at how I slightly suspected marv too.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 27 2015 18:20 GMT
#2577
hm..
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 27 2015 18:22 GMT
#2578
GB, I think gumshoe was basing a good part of his defense for you on how he scumread yamato and how his flip would clear you. Now that yamato flipped town, it makes sense for him to reconsider you, right?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 27 2015 18:23 GMT
#2579
Maybe I just wish I was townsiding (with GB) and marv was scumsiding (with rayn) D1..... If that's not the case, I'll be a bit sad at my play there.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 27 2015 18:26 GMT
#2580
GB: If I die, will you promise to drop your suspicions of Vivax/gumshoe for tomorrow and sheep them? For me? I'm like 99% certain they're both town and neither even really wants to lynch you right now. But if you keep that up, it would just end up with you being lynched tomorrow.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 27 2015 18:32 GMT
#2583
I mean... It's like in that newbie game I observed once. I forgot the names, but most players indicated their willingness to lynch a certain player. Only the confirmed townie (Innocent Child or something) and another obvtown weren't very willing to lynch him. That was a clear sign that he was town. Kind of the same thing here? With gumshoe and me being the most hesitant, and I think even Vivax not sure about the whole thing. Rest basically wanting to kill him.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 27 2015 18:34 GMT
#2584
Hm... Although I don't think Onegu/Hopeless really wanted to lynch him....
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 27 2015 18:35 GMT
#2585
So I guess if you assume that the scumteam is something like GB/Onegu/Hopeless, then it could make sense... But even then GB preferred to lynch Onegu/Hopeless yesterday...?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 27 2015 18:42 GMT
#2588
I thought ritoky was highly town early on... Now he's somewhat dropped off the radar and I can't even remember anything he did D2...? As for you, I agree you've posted a lot and there's a lot of decent reasoning, but if GB is town, it would mean that you've spent almost all of your effort on pushing first me (town) and then GB (town).... Which then kind of makes it sensible to see what GB is first, but can we afford it at this point? I'd really prefer lynching rayn atm. If rayn flipped scum, it would basically semi-clear GB... Well, that didn't work with yamato though
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 27 2015 18:46 GMT
#2589
On October 28 2015 03:31 Chromatically wrote:
Why are you telling GB how to play??? Telling someone "if you're town, then do this" is the complete opposite of helpful because they can just do it and then you have zero idea of their alignment. You have to look at how he plays on his own without saying "hey you should do this".

That's why I didn't ask GB for reads or his top lynches or anything when I was talking to him. If I ask him and he does it, I don't learn anything about his alignment. What matters is if he does it when I don't tell him what he should do.


I just said those things because I kind of feel like he could be a townie who's on the wrong track. He feels so overly paranoid that it's a bit more indicative of town than scum... Well, I guess the other explanation is that he's just scum and making impossible shit up as he goes, but wouldn't scum GB want to improve his chances of survival tomorrow, rather than ruin his chances by antagonizing the only people who consider him to be town to some extent?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 27 2015 19:17 GMT
#2593
Yeah I guess so.... It's just a rather... Strict set of potential scummates (Onegu+Hopeless?).

Let us know what you find :D
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 27 2015 19:19 GMT
#2595
On October 28 2015 03:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2015 03:22 Xatalos wrote:
GB, I think gumshoe was basing a good part of his defense for you on how he scumread yamato and how his flip would clear you. Now that yamato flipped town, it makes sense for him to reconsider you, right?


No because I specifically asked this to him and he said it wouldn't change much and that he just wanted to clear me to the others.


Even if that's the case, he said he'd be reluctant to lynch you, I think? But I can understand it wouldn't be easy for him to hard oppose it after the yamato wagon failed. And in any case, gumshoe has been overall the most contributive, good poster, I think....
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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