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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 01:05 GMT
#1678
In any case, Onegu is looking worse every minute. Now I'm truly sad that he got away D1.

For a small moment I thought Onegu might be on to something, but he immediately contradicted himself (he said rayn was playing to his town meta, while proving that rayn was NOT playing to his town meta - by saying that scum rayn would just give up, which rayn did here, but somehow Onegu came to the conclusion that rayn was town - WTF?????).

Then sometime afterwards, rayn came back to talk a bit..... Now Onegu takes this as a proof that his argument earlier was right, when AT THAT TIME rayn had practically given up and started trolling for a long time. How could Onegu ever come to the conclusion that scum rayn gives up if pissed -> scum rayn gave up here -> rayn is town. WTF???

It doesn't help at all if rayn posted some sort of real posts in response to that later on. What matters is what happened before it. There Onegu had no way to come to the conclusions he did, from the arguments he made.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 01:07 GMT
#1679
On October 25 2015 10:05 Onegu wrote:
he never actually quit. He would be gone already not posting he is leaving. Poof.


I wouldn't call posting Spanish walls of texts as playing.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 01:08 GMT
#1680
Maybe he asked for a replacement and posted those troll posts while he was bored. Or something. Not that he did anything productive anyway.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 01:10 GMT
#1681
Meh. Now off to sleep...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 13:07 GMT
#1696
Hm yes.... Vivax, I actually agree with you on everything you said in those posts. Vivax/ritoky/gumshoe are town, and Chromatically is almost there, but there's this nagging suspicion left. Hopeless could also be town, not sure why, but I felt his posts were very relaxed... But they were still useless, so he's more of null. Hm. BH I still think is more likely town, but it's dropped quite a bit since he's been pretty inactive after the RNG-stuff.

Vivax: do you think rayn and GB are doing some sort of long-term double bus plan? That sparked my interest. It's a bit hard to believe because they both actually seemed content with lynching each other at points during D1... And from what I gather, they still want to lynch each other even now.

However, it could be interesting to have votes focused on rayn/GB today. If they would indeed both be scum, it should show in how the day plays out in that case. Let's make that happen if possible.

Chromatically: I am considering that GB could be scum even with the anti-association to rayn (although that might not be as strong as I thought?). It's just that rayn/Onegu seem to fit well as scum together, and both have extremely much dropped in their performance going into D2. Both are also voting for me... Even though I'd say I'm objectively at the highest level of obv-towniness on meta alone. Similar, or more compared to Vivax.

I'd say the scumteam is rayn+Onegu+Yamato/GB (with MAYBE Hopeless/Chromatically/BH in there).

Which makes me sad, because both rayn and Onegu were up for lynch right until the end on D1.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 13:10 GMT
#1697
And even more sad because it removed one of my highest town reads in exchange...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 13:11 GMT
#1698
So people, vote for either rayn or GB today for now, I think. We can take care of the final choice later, but I want to see how things develop if they're actually forced to go against each other.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 14:11 GMT
#1700
Meh. I'm not sure if the push on you was really scum-motivated. It was bad, sure, but scummy? Why would scum GB want all that pressure on himself by pursuing you?

Still not completely decided on GB myself... And I would prefer rayn/Onegu for today.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 14:49 GMT
#1702
Hmmm.... When did he say that? But I guess it has to be during D1. I agree that marv was being useless, but it's indeed weird how he 100% assumes marv is town. Like, there isn't even a shred of doubt despite his criticism for marv's play... It kind of sounds like lecturing town marv - while knowing that marv is town anyway.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 14:58 GMT
#1703
Then again, others like BH also assumed marv was 100% town anyway.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 15:57 GMT
#1706
Okay, that's true, he implies that pushing Slam is bad play. Did he townread Slam at the time?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 16:03 GMT
#1707
....... Not sure what to think..... Onegu gave no read on Slam, 90% townread rayn, and ended up voting for rayn ultimately. WTF even happened?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 16:04 GMT
#1708
I guess he had to null/townread Slam based on his comment that marv was useless for pushing Slam.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 16:05 GMT
#1709
Then again, it might be easier to just assume that he's scum and that there's no actual sense to be found in his filter.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 17:04 GMT
#1713
Are you suggesting Vivax is scum then, GB? Or what? Even then that wouldn't make much sense unless he was scum with you, and then your post wouldn't make much sense.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 17:05 GMT
#1714
On October 26 2015 02:03 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2015 01:03 Xatalos wrote:
....... Not sure what to think..... Onegu gave no read on Slam, 90% townread rayn, and ended up voting for rayn ultimately. WTF even happened?



I RNG'd sheeped GB.

Anywho football today and this is the first time I can watch in over a month so I am watching.



May I ask you what were you thinking about Slam at that time?

Though I'm not sure if it's even worth asking at this point......
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 17:08 GMT
#1718
On October 26 2015 02:07 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2015 02:05 Xatalos wrote:
On October 26 2015 02:03 Onegu wrote:
On October 26 2015 01:03 Xatalos wrote:
....... Not sure what to think..... Onegu gave no read on Slam, 90% townread rayn, and ended up voting for rayn ultimately. WTF even happened?



I RNG'd sheeped GB.

Anywho football today and this is the first time I can watch in over a month so I am watching.



May I ask you what were you thinking about Slam at that time?

Though I'm not sure if it's even worth asking at this point......



I can never read slam, So I had no read on him.


Then you voted your 90% townread over a nullread?

And you say I make no sense?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 17:11 GMT
#1721
I don't think some excuse like "RNG sheeping" ultimately matters. What matters is that you voted for someone who you thought was 90% town over someone you had no idea about, according to your own words.

Though that does make me question the rayn/Onegu scumteam, it also makes me question if you could ever think like that as town. The answer is no.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 17:15 GMT
#1724
I mean, it's OK to push for RNG stuff like BH did at the start. It can gather reactions etc. But you voted for your TOWNREAD over your NULLREAD when the vote was in an UNCERTAIN result (meaning your vote could matter) and your only reason was "RNG". I don't buy it.

Regardless of anyone else's alignment, that's just scummy as hell.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 17:16 GMT
#1726
On October 26 2015 02:13 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2015 02:11 Xatalos wrote:
I don't think some excuse like "RNG sheeping" ultimately matters. What matters is that you voted for someone who you thought was 90% town over someone you had no idea about, according to your own words.

Though that does make me question the rayn/Onegu scumteam, it also makes me question if you could ever think like that as town. The answer is no.



Ok... And then you are wrong as I have done the RNG sheep multiple times as town.


Do you actually RNG something? Isn't it just sheeping? You didn't even show any RNG like BH did. The fact remains that you sheeped on your townread.....
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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