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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 00:02 GMT
#1632
I mean... he would have had to 1) mess up a perfectly nice situation for scum 2) endanger rayn, the proposed teammate 3) divert it from town Slam to (scum with rayn?) Onegu.

It makes no sense.

So BH is town?

Well, this is going into association territory again.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 00:04 GMT
#1634
On October 25 2015 09:01 ritoky wrote:
[image loading]

like i said, thinking about something that is dependent on rayn = mafia is pointless until rayn flips.


Heh, I guess so. But I'm like 97% confident on rayn being scum atm.

Funnily enough, Onegu's defense only reinforced my read. Onegu's description of rayn's scum meta fits his play here well and he's playing not at all like in BTTB as town.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 00:11 GMT
#1640
On October 25 2015 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2015 06:23 Xatalos wrote:
I really don't get it. Do have some people have such fragile egos that they can only resort to insulting other people recklessly, then when they're under a bit of scrutiny they just stop playing completely?

I am being serious here;

I don't want to play when the goes like this:
Xata: "rayn is mafia because X and Y"
rayn: "no, here is explanation for X and Y"
Xata: "hmm okay"
.......
Xata: "rayn is mafia because X and Y"
rayn: "....... dude wtf? if you call me scum call me scum for how my explanation doesn't make sense"
marv: "yeah, rayn is town. Xatalos you're being an idiot"
Xata: "hmm okay"
......
Xata: "rayn is scum for X and Y, also marv is scum"
rayn: "marv is never scum"
marv: "yeah that's quite clear, wtf are you doing Xatalos?"
....
Xata: "hmm rayn is scum for X and Y"

that went on for like 40 pages.
if you can't understand what's wrong here that then you have to be mafia.
so, you are either mafia or effectively throwing the game. so am i, if you are town, but idc.
i literally don't care anymore.

so you can lynch me, i don't care. I am not posting anymore.
But jsut that you know, if you happen to somehow be town here, sometimes you SHOULD listen to people who know better...


Well, that's not exactly how it went. Even marv got less and less confident in you being town. At some point during D1 he said that I "might be right" and after Slam flipped he stopped townreading you altogether.

I also got additional reasons to scumread you as time passed, it expanded greatly from the initial suspicion of your weird read progression.

I'll admit that suspecting marv was too paranoid.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 00:17 GMT
#1643
I actually kind of like the GB case.

Makes me sad the lynch wasn't between rayn and GB yesterday.

Not sad if the lynch is between rayn/Onegu/GB today.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 00:18 GMT
#1644
Though I still find it pretty unlikely scum GB would jump at scum rayn like that.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 00:21 GMT
#1648
On October 25 2015 09:18 Chromatically wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2015 08:52 Xatalos wrote:
Btw ritoky, I don't think BH was ever seriously after rayn... At least that's what he said. I have a lingering doubt that BH could have randomed his teammate (rayn), then went with it for a while and dropped it whenever he could... But that's kind of tinfoily already. Mostly that thought came to me when BH unvoted rayn so suddenly, when the wagon was starting to actually feel threatening for rayn, even though he had nothing better in mind either.

I think we are getting way way too tinfoily here. I agree with ritoky that doing anything assuming rayn is mafia is silly at this point until rayn flips.

Which, I am not very inclined to do now that marv is confirmed town. I'll trust that marv (and probably Onegu) can read rayn better than I can, at least until later in the game when we can talk about whether marv was wrong on rayn if we have to.


To be fair marv stopped townreading rayn after Slam flipped, even if he wasn't ready to scumread him either.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 00:24 GMT
#1649
This is marv's "last will" post, so to say:

On October 24 2015 18:26 marvellosity wrote:
yeah yamato was much less sexy than i hoped eod 1

meh

i have no strong townreads, maybe vivax still
think chrome is mafia but that's probably wrong too


This was before it:

On October 24 2015 18:19 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 18:03 marvellosity wrote:
just popping in to say i'm not playing this game until either xata or i are dead, because apparently i'm not allowed to replace out because i loathe playing with someone this game.

maybe rayn is mafia and i was wrong d1, but i still don't think so.

that's all.


Meaning rayn's basically null / possible town for him, not a strong town lean at the least. That means his top secret meta thing doesn't apply anymore to rayn, at least. And... he basically stopped playing at that point, so who knows if he would have come around to scumread rayn later.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 00:25 GMT
#1651
I'm referring to his final post "I have no strong townreads, maybe Vivax still". rayn isn't even a "maybe" strong townread. Implying that whatever he uses for townreading rayn, doesn't really apply at that point.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 00:27 GMT
#1654
On October 25 2015 09:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2015 09:18 Chromatically wrote:
On October 25 2015 09:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
lol i have read 3 of those filters and i know he is scum.

Talking about GlowingBear filters?

Don't worry just lynch Xatalos on D3.
##vote Xatalos


Okay. If you flip town, I'm willing to take responsibility and be lynched. Let's do it.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 00:28 GMT
#1656
It's noteworthy that Onegu completely ignored his crumbling meta argument and just said "let's lynch xata guys"
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 00:30 GMT
#1658
hmmm
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 00:31 GMT
#1659
I can consolidate on GB if need be, I guess. Right now I'm more interested in pursuing rayn and perhaps Onegu. You take care of the pressure on GB. The day is still young.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 00:35 GMT
#1663
Well, we sure as hell aren't both scum...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 00:36 GMT
#1664
On October 25 2015 09:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2015 09:31 Xatalos wrote:
I can consolidate on GB if need be, I guess. Right now I'm more interested in pursuing rayn and perhaps Onegu. You take care of the pressure on GB. The day is still young.

no you wont, you are pushing me you fuckface.


Hm?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 00:37 GMT
#1667
Damn, he caught us!
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 00:38 GMT
#1668
Well, what you've said to me is still nothing compared to what marv's said so far.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 00:43 GMT
#1671
And for the record, I'm still more correct about the game than either rayn or marv until otherwise proven. I was right about Slam, they were wrong. We all thought marv was a decently likely NK hit (although rayn was certain and I kept myself being shot as a reasonable option). Still leaves me more on the side of correct overall.

But that's not really relevant is it....
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 00:47 GMT
#1674
On October 25 2015 09:41 Onegu wrote:
Nope Rayn hasnt left yet. He is still town.

Xata is making zero sense here.

##Vote: Xata


Interestingly enough, you stopped responding to me when I had shown that your meta argument pointed to rayn being scum. You still made other posts.

Sometime after, rayn miraculously returned to playing (as if being forced by you), and you came back to say "look, I was right!". This is also enough time to force him to say something in the scumQT.

Coincidence?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 00:48 GMT
#1675
Admittedly, that's going deep, but...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 01:00 GMT
#1676
(I'll laugh so hard in the post-game if that's really what happened hahaha)
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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