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gumshoe
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On November 02 2015 02:10 Vivax wrote: Why do you keep saying either of us can be town yet you clearly seem to have GB as town and me as mafia? cause I can be wrong, I was wrong about yamato and I can be wrong about you. Thats why I want to lynch hopeless, as I really dont think I can be wrong about him as he matches every conceivable scum team and hes just super godamm scummy -_- | ||
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gumshoe
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On November 02 2015 02:14 Chromatically wrote: We can't know why rayn was killed, but it could just be very simple reasons. Maybe Onegu did it so he could make that argument in the thread, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the other mafia at all. Or maybe it was something else, like GB wanted to kill one of the people who was going after him hard in the thread. Onegu: guys I wanna kill rayn cause it looks good on me but bad on you! gb: You do that bro! your our only hope! do whatever you can to win : D I cant see it -_- if gb is scum hes the most active by far, he would decide the shot for certain, especially because he would have hopless's support (the rayn shot was bad for him according to onegu) We keep bending over backwards to justify how Gb is playing this obscure wifom game, when it's really just more likely that theres was someone who didnt suffer from the rayn shot along with onegu / : | ||
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gumshoe
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On November 02 2015 02:28 Vivax wrote: BH why no opinion on who to lynch first between them? dont even try this shit. | ||
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On November 02 2015 02:18 Vivax wrote: I currently am even hoping I understood what you said there. Emotional player, meta shown by Chromatically to be the case as both alignments before he dies. But he hasn't been emotional in this game when his team was bussing him in a derpy fashion? the emotions were wrong scum emotions: lol you guys so bad, im a dt bros dont shoot me directed at self protection town emotions: im gonna die, better contribute. directed at post mortem contribution in gbs state, I dont think he would honestly put the effort in to do the latter(especially given the case he brought up) if his team was bussing him and all of town pretty much wanted him dead. Real talk: I am a mediocre player when it comes to finding scum, but I am insanely good whenever this situation pops up, the people I defend in this fashion are town almost 100 percent of the time, that doesnt save them because I'm not the best at convincing others / : also gb is def one of the dodgier clients ive defended. That said, I'm not asking you to not kill gb if thats what you have to do, just dont kill gb right now because there is doubt. Whereas with hopeless, the only people showing doubt are the suspects / : | ||
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gumshoe
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On November 02 2015 02:32 Vivax wrote: I have a preference on who to lynch first and that for good reasons I explained. It's not "shit" if I get to discuss that with BH after noting that he isn't interested in doing that. You've been trying to find dirt on bh all game. It's not happening, it's not gonna work, stahp. | ||
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gumshoe
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On November 02 2015 02:36 Chromatically wrote: Or maybe it's: GB: "rayn is really pushing me hard, let's kill him" Onegu: "aww but he's defending me" Or maybe it's: GB: "rayn is really annoying, let's kill him" Onegu: "yeah he is" Or maybe it's a whole bunch of different things that we can't actually know. We have no clue what would happen. if it comes to it, I will lynch gb tommorow or at lylo. You have my word, do I think hes town? Yes, but the diffrence is I KNOW that gb you and ritoky are for a fact town. The only thing that could make me question that is if hopeless flips town, which he wont / : but is all the more reason to get it out of the way today. I think there's enough reasonable doubt to assume hopeless is a better shot than gb, if you want to lynch gb that bad, fine, but hes just not as certain ) : | ||
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gumshoe
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On November 02 2015 02:40 Vivax wrote: It's only dirt cause you like to think it is, but it's just me observing that he doesn't have a preference on GB hopeless and I want him to have one and am working for it and you put things into my mouth saying I want to "throw dirt" at him. What scum needs to do in this spot: Find a way to save self, or buddy, how to do that, mislynch a townie other than gb. gb is just asking us to take him seriously when hes dead, you on the other hand are actively asserting that "theres a townie riding lynch cred" "bh, was up with your scuminess bro?" "chrom is still scum probally" You both are putting effort into this game but only one of has a chance to win as scum / : if I see you taking actions that specifically fit the one scum agenda that sees you winning, you can be sure that'll come off as shady to me, beyond just putting things in your mouth Trust me, when I put something into your mouth, you'll know. | ||
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gumshoe
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hopeless voted for gb(das a buss) -_- and onegu basically voted for him, he just kept the vote on hopeless so he could look consistent, but lets not kid ourselves, he was ready to vote gb anytime. also I'm talking hypotheticals when I say his team was bussing him, specifically the onegu hopeless team. You cant be scum with him, so you wouldn't be bussing : P | ||
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On November 02 2015 02:47 Chromatically wrote: Honestly, I don't know what my preference is really (on GB/Hopeless today) so I was just planning on going with whatever most people wanted to do to prevent some crazy voteswitches if people went insane or something. I've thought about what would happen if either player flipped either alignment, and I believe that the next lynch is always the other player. I want GB because knowing what the wagons are is nice, he's getting harder to lynch (especially if Hopeless is town and we go to LYLO), he's very likely to be mafia from play, and personal gratification. I want Hopeless because it feels incorrect to let him live another day without playing, and because he's very likely to be mafia just from his vote yesterday. Maybe this is getting to far ahead, but in the event that we lynched Hopeless today and he flipped mafia, I think it's pretty important that we lynch GB next and not at LYLO. That way, in the event that GB is town, we have maximum information at LYLO on the D3 wagons so we can determine what the most likely last mafia is. I guess this scenario is unlikely though because it's not LYLO if Hopeless is mafia so GB probably gets lynched. So I'm not sure if any of these reasons is better than the others. sure we can lynch gb tommorow, as I dont see vivax getting lynched till lylo(you want a slippery one, there ya go). But yeah, we need to kill hopeless today, gb and vivax arent scum together so hopeless must be. | ||
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gumshoe
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On November 02 2015 02:53 Vivax wrote: YES precisely, I'm playing and he's just lurking throwing a few cases in between but never just sticking around or encouraging any discussion beyond his justification for a vote. Like if he wants to die he can vote for himself, but it's obviously just his emo defense that you find so convincing, so he won't. blatant lie. Ok, so it seems I'm dead today. Some thoughts for you: IF Onegu is mafia, gumshoe is always mafia with him. It should be pretty telling to you that gumshoe was strong townreading me, then decided to vote me to follow his townreads, but when I confronted him he decided to simply "Unvote" while still scumreading Onegu. Then he decided to vote me again over TONE LOL. Now he is voting Onegu, but just when the lynch is secured on me (he voted Onegu when I've reached majority with 5 votes). This is fucking scummy. BUT if Onegu turns out to be town, gumshoe is always town because there is no reason to do so many scummy moves when the main two wagons are town. I will expand on this in a couple of minutes. But for me, gumshoe and Onegu are always mafia. I don't know how Vivax could fit in this team, tho. Did you read what I've brought on him NO HE DOESN'T. IF YOU READ WHAT I'VE WROTE YOU'LL SEE THAT IF ONEGU IS MAFIA THERE IS NO WAY GUMSHOE ISN'T FUCKING READ IT. 2 is not true because i've especifically asked you this and you said it would clear me TO THE OTHERS. I'm gonna find the post. 3 why would you risk mislynching me WHEN YOU COULD BE LYNCHING YOUR SCUMREAD? Lol so you can risk mislynching me but you can't risk mislynching a player who isn't playing at all? Haha you're full of shit. I'll only talk to you again if I live and Onegu dies. No, I want you to comment my case in details. Stop dismissing it. GAME IS SOLVED GAME IS SOLVED GAME IS SOLVED!!!!!! I could be wrong on BH though and be OMGUSing right now. But I find hard to believe he would try to dismiss my "please read" so hard + I find hard to believe he would believe that day3 wagons were both mafia with no other scum trying to form a wagon on a townie. MY GOD XATALOS. MY GOD. Did you read what I've wrote? I mean, at all? Xata. Go. And read. This actually reinforces what I've brought. Dude this is exactly why I'm calling gumshoe mafia but he is and I'm not because I ACTUALLY VOTED ONEGU and he only voted when his vote wouldn't take me out of majority. ROFL you people... theres more too that I'm leaving out, he was pushing his case HARD all of night 3, engaging constantly with others, he only wound down when I deflated him by cheating. so no, he was super hardcore pushing and interacting regarding a case, the fact that he abandoned it though should be a point in his favour / : | ||
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gumshoe
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On November 02 2015 02:54 Chromatically wrote: Yeah... although it's technically possible the team is something insane like GB+ritoky I guess? It's pretty hard to see a world where it's not Hopeless (although it's pretty hard for me to see not GB too). I'm just worried that you won't go on GB again tomorrow gumshoe, you betrayed me once before after yamato  .I'm sorry ) : your right I do owe you one, if you really really really wanna kill gb I wont oppose it ok? It's just not the optimal move ) : also if the team could BE something with ritoky, wouldnt it be better to know now before lylo? Gb's kill doesn't tell us anything about that T_T | ||
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gumshoe
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So please please please vote Yamato, if he flips green I will sheep whatever lynch you want for the rest of the game. Just houmer me today, will yah? I totally forgot about this T_T I will vote for whatever chrom votes today, but let it be known that Hopeless is objectively the best kill : P | ||
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gumshoe
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On November 02 2015 03:09 Vivax wrote: Yes ritoky should be here choosing the guy to vote. It makes me uncomfortable he's afk since he proclamed himself conf town. Would you stahp trying this shit? Godammit XD stick to two scum reads and stop spamming paranoia in thread. | ||
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gumshoe
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vivax do you even have town reads this game? | ||
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On November 02 2015 03:15 Chromatically wrote: I'm not entirely sure what the correct move is here. GB's kill would tell us about the wagons yesterday (which we don't get form Hopeless), so that we can start considering bus possibilities if GB was town? The only way lynching one of them before the other is a problem is if both of them are town. So, we should lynch whichever one will give us the best information to decide if the other one could be town. If GB is town, then we can start considering whether the team was stacked on him (with Hopeless) or if it's some crazy bus (even though we should lynch Hopeless next anyway). If Hopeless is town, then... I don't think we get very much about other from that? Lynching for information feels bad but I think it's the best tiebreaker? if we lynch gb and hes scum, we probally just lynch hopeless and then vivax the following day anyways, nothing really changes, if we lynch gb and hes town, same story, we dont alter course If we lynch hopeless and hes scum, again, we stay the course if we lynch hopeless and hes town, that means ethier way we have a complex bus between vivax and gb, or someone in the town circle is scum. Basically we have 4 outcomes, and only one of them has us changing course / : the only information that matters is the one you have to act on, therefore if you lynch for info, hopeless is the superior choice. | ||
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gumshoe
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On November 02 2015 03:19 Vivax wrote: Chrom since his GB meta research and case, probably BH. Everyone else I keep considering to be possible, you too. Fair enough : D btw if you actually did this your a godamm mastermind : P On October 22 2015 06:11 Vivax wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/NpbJ9Fe.png) setting up town to be biased against pants on head townies from day 1 through a joke. Goddamn brilliant. | ||
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On November 02 2015 03:24 Vivax wrote: No the pants on head guy was GB when he started his D1 with scumreading me, and then whined about being scumread cause he was "too pants on head" to be scum, precisely. Point I've made during D1 already. A point that if your scum you seeded into our minds from the get go : D masterful. | ||
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gumshoe
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On November 02 2015 03:22 Vivax wrote: YOU KEPT SAYING ONE OF US ISN'T MAFIA. Now you wanna lynch me even if GB flips scum? I said I wanna lynch hopeless first : P I fully expect the game to end there but yeah, if your at lylo with me and chrom or ritoky, I would totes vote for you before them as I consider a bus more likely then ethier of them being scum don't take it personally : P | ||
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gumshoe
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chrom/ritoky scum < gb bussed vivax like a derp. but hopeless/vivax or hopeless/gb > gb bussed vivax like a derp problem officer? | ||
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