It still kind of worries me that marv has been so... non-transparent. If he's town, he has to know that his death is like at least a 50/50 chance (just based on his reputation). Yet he's been entirely uninterested to put forth anything after Slam flipped. Maybe he'll claim that my insults made him ragequit for tonight, and it's unfortunate if that's the case, but it's a bit hard to buy that it's all there is. Would he really just give up on the game (as town) if he's wrong D1 and blamed for it by me? It fits better with his scum meta of giving up easily and not really caring about the game. There's also the fact that he defended rayn for loltastic reasons and scumread Slam/Chromatically for loltastic reasons.

What I'm trying to say is, if I die, don't just sheep marv. I have a nagging bad feeling about him and it won't go away. Either he's really off or possibly even scum.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

October 24 2015 20:30 GMT

#1544

Hm. Well, I can't really call GB likely town other than his genuine-seeming attitude under pressure and the unflipped anti-association with rayn. Tbh that's enough for me to not lynch him right now, though...

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

October 24 2015 20:37 GMT

#1546

Maybe I'm a bit blinded by the fact that GB has been one of the few people in the anti-rayn faction.

That's all dependent on if rayn first flips scum though.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

October 24 2015 20:38 GMT

#1547

But unless rayn flips town, I don't really feel like GB is a good choice.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

October 24 2015 20:45 GMT

#1550

I mean... I think the timing of GB's vote on rayn almost certainly rules out a GB-rayn scumteam. It made the situation 5-4, extremely close. At that point it was still hard to say if rayn was "safe" and it would be extremely, extremely risky for him to vote for scum rayn there.

I repeat: do not lynch GB tomorrow. Not unless rayn is town.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

October 24 2015 20:56 GMT

#1557

I quite disagree with Onegu's post. Enough that I kind of want to include him in a scumteam, and really regret we didn't manage to lynch him yesterday over Slam.

Like Onegu calls a lot of people scum for... basically just for voting for him or even just for suspecting him.

rayn/Onegu for scum.... Probably.

I hope ObsQT won't make me facepalm.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

October 24 2015 21:00 GMT

#1563

Thanks for the insider info?

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

October 24 2015 21:08 GMT

#1570

Well, I'm glad to be alive.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

October 24 2015 21:13 GMT

#1572

hmmmm

rayn, I'm a bit on the fence if you would kill marv after he was pretty pro-you during D1. I mean, it generally makes sense regardless of the scumteam thanks to his status, but you wouldn't be the most likely suspect for going for his kill.

Let's play a game. Who do you think are scum right now, and how have your reads changed after Slam's flip and the posts of the night?

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

October 24 2015 21:15 GMT

#1574

Meh.... Seeing as marv's defense of rayn was genuine, there *could* be something there since he didn't really reveal his reasoning besides the bad initial reason.

Though he did say that he wasn't sure about rayn anymore.

Life is hard.

How I wish marv would have played during N1.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

October 24 2015 21:19 GMT

#1575

Why do you even bother posting if you're not going to say anything productive?

Not that you have said much of anything productive up to now, and nothing productive at all after Slam flipped.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

October 24 2015 21:23 GMT

#1576

I really don't get it. Do have some people have such fragile egos that they can only resort to insulting other people recklessly, then when they're under a bit of scrutiny they just stop playing completely? This is Mafia, not kindergarten. If only you (rayn/marv) had reacted reasonably to the bit of pressure you had, all of this drama could have been avoided.

Or do I have to automatically assume you two are town and never question your opinions if I want to keep you playing...

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

October 24 2015 21:25 GMT

#1577

The most annoying part is that much (perhaps everything) could have been avoided by simple transparency. Sharing your reasons and not resorting to personal insults. Just that.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

October 24 2015 21:26 GMT

#1578

Well, I guess we can talk about this later or something.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

October 24 2015 21:35 GMT

#1579

Looks like rayn will continue to be useless then...

It kind of feels like he wouldn't abandon his team like that as scum...

But would he count on others to think like that... WIFOM....

Well, at least last time as scum he continued spewing BS no matter what happened....

Are there cases of rayn just stopping to play as scum?

Though it feels a bit cheap if he could be cleared like that.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

October 24 2015 21:39 GMT

#1580

Well, I'd kind of like other players' input as well.

Frankly Vivax and BH have felt like they've kind of disappeared from the face of the planet after the earlier part of D1.

What are you thinking now?

Frankly even Chromatically might overtake you as a townread if this keeps up. During the night, it was mostly just me, ritoky and Chromatically doing stuff.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

October 24 2015 21:40 GMT

#1581

On October 24 2015 18:26 marvellosity wrote:
yeah yamato was much less sexy than i hoped eod 1

meh

i have no strong townreads, maybe vivax still
think chrome is mafia but that's probably wrong too

Hm... Not too much to gain from marv's last readpost...