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On October 24 2015 18:39 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 18:37 Xatalos wrote:
Well, it'd be nice to get an answer to my main questions before the deadline still.
1) WHY is rayn town based on meta?
2) What would be your "last will" (lynchlist) after all this? I guess it's fine if you answer this one closer to deadline. 1) marv has a meta read on rayn, he isn't going to tell you it because it would tip his hand to rayn in future games and he prides himself on his meta read which to some degree requires rayn to not know exactly what it is and fake it (my read on slam and damdred is the same) 2) if marv is going to do this, he will do it near the deadline and without you on his nuts. as a spokesperson for marv inc. i can verify he supports these messages.
I don't really approve of this. I think it's the same as playing bad on purpose to make your future scum games easier.
However, I can somewhat approve waiting until close to deadline for read posts. It's just that I'd like to be able to read them before I die... Or well, if I don't, then I'll have to reconsider some things.
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:D:D
From what I remember, marv does actually have some amazing scum games where he's played actively and fooled everyone until LYLO. We even talked about one such game in PMs a while ago. However, perhaps this is his current standard.
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But anyways, I think ritoky is just almost certainly town after his casual participation in this highly volatile discussion topic.
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On October 24 2015 18:58 ritoky wrote:
well i am dumpster tier, so if he is amazing scum this game i am gonna lose simply on the fact that there's 12 levels between us and i need to be carried to even glimpse his upskirt.
otherwise i am gonna stick to my gutter tier guns. trust the big dogs who can see the forest to find the 2 obvious mafia while i sheep them, meanwhile i will shepherd them away from lynch bait and toward the sneakster mafia i will eventually find and pummel to oblivion.
or i will just get carried to a loss/win like always.
Heh...
The risk with sheeping is if you pick a bad player to sheep. I mean if he's scum / off his game. After being so wrong on D1, I don't think marv deserves unlimited trust.
I say that, but it's not actually easy to be correct on D1. I suppose we'll see if marv starts to improve. It's maybe more his confidence in Slam being scum for flimsy reasons that bothers me. From what I remember of his town game, he often hesitates and reconsiders things even up to the final moments of a lynch.
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rayn wasn't getting lynched at that point anyway, so I think it was universally a good choice to hop on Onegu.
Even if he's town, he's done way less than Slam. And his towniness is all but certain.
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Well, maybe my new signature is going too far. But I'll keep it for a bit.
marv, I truly do respect you as a player and think you're perhaps the best player on TL overall. At least one of the best. I hope you realize that my suspicions towards you have been a sign of respect, not disrespect. Don't you think it's more disrespectful to assume that you can't play at all as scum? That no matter what, you couldn't put some sort of effort into the game unless you're town? That no matter if you push mislynches and defend scum, you must be town if you even bother to make posts?
I still don't think you're scum right now, but I think it's actually too disrespectful to say that you're 100% town for your play so far. It would mean you're 100% incapable of actually playing as town, and I think that's too much of an assumption, even if you're burned out.
In addition, I think I was being reasonably polite in this game overall until you had repeatedly insulted me for several pages. If it was someone like rayn on the receiving end, I think he would have already snapped and got himself modkilled. Instead, I just got a little payback by insulting your Slam read (which I think was reasonably justified to do). If you're truly unable to continue playing if I show you a little respect by assuming you're not 100% incapable of playing as scum, and give you a rather meek payback for your insults, I don't think I'm the one at fault in that situation. Well, maybe a bit, but I'm not a saint either who can take abuse endlessly and never say anything.
I guess it all started with our disagreement over rayn. I assume you have some sort of a godly meta read on him that you don't want to share, but I can't just blindly sheep your enigmatic meta read if other things point at rayn being scum and even you YOURSELF aren't completely sure about rayn.
With that, I hope you can continue to play normally and possibly even show me a minimum level of consideration. Well, even just playing would be good.
If you're scum, you're of course free to start lurking.
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On October 24 2015 18:24 ritoky wrote:
if i were the sole vote to lynch tomorrow, as of now it would be between yamato, rayn, and GB.
rayn cuz i am basically not reading what he types and his reads sucked.
yamato cuz he is hovering around the fringes of the game, or maybe that's just my perception.
GB cuz i have played a lot with him and he has no strong opinion on me, and actually i would say he seems to be actively avoiding talking about me; i feel he should have a stronger opinion. he is top disappointment atm.
if i were in magical vigi land i would probably shoot onegu cuz yolo free info.
This list isn't actually a bad one... Although I doubt rayn/GB could be scum together, but individually each one is plausible as scum.
All in all, ritoky might actually be my strongest townread right now. Followed by Vivax, I think. I'm also leaning towards gumshoe being town and BH still has townie factors.
What do you think about Chromatically/Onegu/Hopeless though, ritoky?
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And yeah, no matter what, I don't think marv should be the lynch tomorrow. He has at least tried to play so far which is more than he had done in his last scumgames.
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If I die tonight... Seriously consider my reads, even if you think I'm terrible. Because scum will probably kill the most threatening (=correct/convincing) player tonight unless they feel very secure to WIFOM around. I think there's a reasonable chance it's me, or it could be marv if he's town (just based on his fame). ritoky isn't impossible either. Inactive players hardly make sense as kills when there are no blues.
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On October 24 2015 05:18 ritoky wrote:
##vote: alakaslam
cuz BH said so.
Meh... This is one thing I don't like too much about ritoky though. Just a moment earlier he said he didn't buy Slam being scum ("it doesn't come along").
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Just before ritoky had also said that rayn's posts weren't worth reading and his reads were bullshit :/ So why sheep his read?
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Meh... I guess I'll slightly drop ritoky'so evaluation.
I still like his posts tonight too much to drop him to null.
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(To be fair ritoky didn't directly sheep rayn, but still sided to lynch rayn's target - whom he didn't believe to be scum - over rayn, whom he thought was just bullshitting reads)
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I guess it's a bit of salvation that he ended up hopping to Onegu, in the end.
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On October 24 2015 23:56 GlowingBear wrote:
Why are you guys considering teams when no one has been lynched yet?
Xata you don't think Rayn is scum?
Hm?
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Not sure where you would get that picture GB?
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That wasn't a scumteam, it was just asking his opinion on several players.
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On October 25 2015 00:24 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2015 00:04 GlowingBear wrote:On October 25 2015 00:02 Xatalos wrote:
Not sure where you would get that picture GB? You've asked Ritoky if he agreed on a team that didn't have Rayn Dont badger him, this is progress.
Lol
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Hmmm... Well, it's still kind of unnecessary and risky to cause shenanigans at the deadline when things are already going as they want. Naturally it's not so bad if every candidate was town anyway, but again, I doubt it.
Chromatically... I'm undecided about right now. It kind of feels like he puts a constant effort into the game, and does stuff, but none of it's that impactful. I guess it's the fact that it's hard to see anything that couldn't be from scum, and that's always concerning combined with activity. Still, it's not like there's anything decisively scummy....
marv made some meta point against Chromatically that didn't really feel convincing... Hmm.
I guess it's wait and see. If I had to say, I guess I'd say he's scum (PoE / a bit too underwhelming considering the activity), but it's not strong enough to assert he has to be scum, and there's still the whole D2 to see from him.
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Without a godly counter-reason from marv, I still think rayn has the highest chances of flipping scum. There are just too many things that don't make sense from town rayn.
1) Giving hard town reads with too much ease and certainty considering the thread content - mainly talking abut ritoky and GB here - which suggests TMI and the confidence that only scum would have with perfect information
2) Reverting said town reads and 100% scumreading those players based on the same filters he earlier used to call them town (sheeping thread sentiment) - this suggests he's not reading the thread and/or his views are decided by the flow of the votes rather than facts
3) Calling me 100% scum because of my vote on him, just like last time he was scum against me (it literally went into full OMGUS mode after he noticed it both here and there)
4) Constantly misrepresenting Slam's play as "trolling" when, in fact, Slam was extremely serious and insightful here compared to his usual self (just looking like an excuse for why the lynch wasn't bad when it actually was)
5) There's really nothing noteworthy or even passable in rayn's posts yet.. He pushed clear town Slam and clear town Xatalos for flimsy reasoning, and he hasn't really done anything since....
Much better should be expected from town rayn, and all this falls in line with his scum play.
It's not 100%, so don't just blindly lynch him, but I think it's the best option at the moment. That's my last will.
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