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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 23:40 GMT
#1448
Gotta say, I laughed a bit after reading your Slam-imitating spree. But to be fair, he didn't really make those troll posts much in this game. In his last game he trolled like 99% of the time, here he trolled maybe 20% of the time. The general ratio is something like 50-80% trolling, I guess. Yet I haven't really seen you angry about that before? If you have been, enlighten me.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 08:24 GMT
#1458
On October 24 2015 11:36 GlowingBear wrote:
You know slam for such long time rayn.

Why does his play style surprises you now?


Because he's scum and has to find some excuse for the horrible lynch. Even if the excuse doesn't relate to facts (Slam being less trolly than ever this game).

Not to mention, Slam wasn't even lynched for trolling but his serious posts... Who knows why... So it's not really even a passable excuse. 1) overall false and 2) not related to why Slam was lynched
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 08:33 GMT
#1459
Actually, I'm back to doubting if Marv is even 100% cleared with his recent meta. It sounds just... a bit too lazy to clear him with that. It's hard for me to explain what marv did yesterday as a town play (pushing through the Slam lynch above all with reasons that sounded too lazy - like "I looked at his filter and this scum narrative seems to make a bit of sense, let's push it" instead of considering the big picture of his steady contributions in the game - and even more the way he defended rayn as if he had decided rayn was town from the first minute of the game and refused to consider otherwise, even if his reasons were shown misplaced).

Not to say that marv should be lynched tomorrow, but if i die, definitely don't trust him blindly and lynch him if things continue like this until LYLO.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 08:44 GMT
#1460
On October 24 2015 11:15 gumshoe wrote:
Ritoky's switch onto Onegu last second makes very little sense as scum, if Onegu is town and gets bussed last sec, Ritoky looks terrible. If Onegue is scum, he just helped kill his teamate 0_0 seems like a dumb and unnecessary risk when town is already fixated on slam.

It's possible Ritoky was super confident Bh's lynch wouldn't go through, but then why bother at all? Just to distance himself from the slam lynch? Could backfire huge if Onegu actually did get lynched (would look like a last second buss off of Ritoky's buddy slam)


Hm yes... That makes some sense. Although I think BH is more towny for starting the whole shenanigans in that situation. If he was scum and either rayn or Onegu was scum, it was madness. Even if they were both town (unlikely), it was just an unnecessary action that could cause trouble for him if a switch actually succeeded.

The only way I see it making sense for scum BH (or scum ritoky) is if they were very certain that nothing would come out of it and it would plausibly buy them credibility. That's not even entirely impossible, considering what ended up happening. Still, that seems a lot less likely if either rayn or Onegu was scum (likely).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 08:52 GMT
#1461
On October 24 2015 10:02 ritoky wrote:
xata is right about this. slam was the least chupazi he has been in recent games. he was in fact significantly more serious than normal resulting in an around a 50% serious post rate which is astounding for him. as desperate as i am to try and ignore everything rayn posts, when he posts for 3 straight pages....anywayz his reaction is overblown and worthless.

+ Show Spoiler +
at least my meta read on slam is still perfect


Did you go the trouble of counting Slam's serious posts in this game? Haha... Would be interesting to also research rayn's attitude to Slam in previous games. If there's a clear contradiction, I mean.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 09:04 GMT
#1463
On October 24 2015 08:58 Chromatically wrote:
I think I'm probably wrong about a lot of things this game, so I'm planning on reevaluating everything this night.

A lot of the criticism of me is that I'm posting "mechanically" and not interacting with the thread much, and I think that's fair but not something that makes me mafia. I'm trying to put my thoughts in the thread in a clear way, which is probably what people see as mechanical. People have also just kind of ignored the things I post for a lot of this game, so it's a bit difficult to interact with the thread (for example, my whole post on Xatalos was totally ignored by everyone). Maybe that's just because the stuff I was posting was bad and I think that's probably true honestly so I'll try to make it less bad.


Well, sorry to say this, but your cases / big posts have been rather unremarkable so far. At least with both the ritoky case and the case on me, I don't think there was really anything noteworthy? Not really sure if you even believed so yourself, looking at how you just went along with the flow and didn't really push / develop either case through discussion?

I'll need to relook at you before my possible death though. In the meanwhile, it would be nice if you could post your reconsidered stuff. Preferably with the thought processes you had and considerations for meta / overall motivations, not just general scum traits applied to particular posts.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 09:08 GMT
#1464
On October 24 2015 18:03 marvellosity wrote:
just popping in to say i'm not playing this game until either xata or i are dead, because apparently i'm not allowed to replace out because i loathe playing with someone this game.


You loathe playing with me or playing as scum?

Honestly, the abuse I've given you is very limited. You've repeatedly insulted people in this game even while not performing well yourself. If you're town, I think it would be time to look in the mirror and reconsider stuff after the flip... Even more so if I end up dying tonight. If you're scum, feel free to go AFK as seems to be your scum meta.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 09:11 GMT
#1466
Well, I'll admit that I've been unusually aggressive in this game. Not completely sure about the reason. Maybe I was irritated by some of the insults? Well, I will do my best to relook at things closer to the deadline and after the flip (if I manage to survive).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 09:16 GMT
#1469
On October 24 2015 18:10 marvellosity wrote:
yeah i had a shitty fucking day yesterday

but yes i loathe playing with you.

the fact you still think i could still be mafia is just one more reason why you're completely unbearable.

not many people make me just not want to play, so thanks for that, you're a star


If you're town, I would like you to answer for a couple of things.

1) What do you think of rayn after all that happened? If you have the "ultimate secret to reading rayn", could you elaborate on that? It does nothing if it remains in your head.

2) More generally speaking, did you reconsider anything after Slam ended up flipping town? Mainly your stronger reads?

3) What would be your "last will" if you still somehow got killed tonight?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 09:16 GMT
#1470
On October 24 2015 18:13 marvellosity wrote:
also just flicked through my own filter.

i've been pretty personable, except to you.

seeya.


Reasonable?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 09:22 GMT
#1474
Well yes... I think it was hardly fair to call me the most horrible player or something after I was one of the few correct ones

We will see about rayn though. If you want to convince me he's town, you should use your godly meta read on him to your advantage rather than some silly (invalid) point about his first posts.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 09:24 GMT
#1476
Link?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 09:25 GMT
#1479
Btw I've felt this all game, but it's odd to insult me for not reading after your performance yesterday. For example, scumreading Slam for attacking rayn, then asking "huh did someone else attack rayn?" when several people had done just that.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 09:28 GMT
#1482
On October 24 2015 18:24 marvellosity wrote:
no, this page. you keep talking to me as if i should be playing the game or answering questions. i just made my stance very clear on that.


What do you mean? I asked for you to elaborate on your meta read on him, but you just said "I still think he's town"? And you said that only AFTER I had asked if your read on him had changed.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 09:31 GMT
#1485
I mean, it's not like I asked you anything after you had already answered it. I asked, you answered. Except to my last question.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 09:34 GMT
#1487
All I can say is that if this is your current town playstyle, I won't be sad to see you go. Even less sad considering your scum playstyle in the last games.

But I hope you can change that if you're town.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 09:35 GMT
#1489
On October 24 2015 18:33 ritoky wrote:
y'know marv, tbh i know i had that one big ass fight with you in a mafia thread cuz i felt you were being an elitist snob; but ever since then you've grown on me. i don't mind playing with you and you have your moments, i just think if we're on a mafia team together it is water and oil.

being tired and sentimental and emotive over internet people? who the fuck am i right now?


An old man of Mafia?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 09:37 GMT
#1492
Well, it'd be nice to get an answer to my main questions before the deadline still.

1) WHY is rayn town based on meta?

2) What would be your "last will" (lynchlist) after all this? I guess it's fine if you answer this one closer to deadline.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 09:39 GMT
#1494
On October 24 2015 18:35 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 18:34 Xatalos wrote:
All I can say is that if this is your current town playstyle, I won't be sad to see you go. Even less sad considering your scum playstyle in the last games.

But I hope you can change that if you're town.

and i hope you could stop being such a terrible human being, but i'm not holding my breath


Fine, resort to personality insults... Very productive and a sign of mental superiority.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 24 2015 09:41 GMT
#1497
On October 24 2015 18:40 marvellosity wrote:
says the guy sneering back at me in also super mature fashion

at least i'm not pretending

i'm being a little bitch because i despise being in this game with you. i'm ok with this state of affairs.


Just remember that I took like 5-10 of your immature insults before resorting to insults myself.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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