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On October 30 2015 07:09 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 07:05 gumshoe wrote:
The only reason hopeless votes gb there is to save onegu, why is gb not scum as well? Because then hopeless just votes onegu and looks waaay less fishy.
so yeah, third scum is still out there boys. hmm, that makes a lot of sense actually if H1 could tell 1G was up to be lynched-- he was trying to save the teammate. I think there's a good case that H1's vote means GB has to be town. On the other hand, 1G/GB/H1 isn't ruled out by this: it's worth noting that up until the very end, GB was on the chopping block. H1 was voting GB, who was going to flip scum (in this hypothetical) and make himself look good. It's not like 1G was ACTUALLY going to survive. If we lynched GB, first, we were still gonna lynch 1G even if I get shot-- lots of people were convinced on 1G. That being said, we should probably lynch H1 first. In both of these scenarios, H1 is scum, and EITHER WAY, I think H1 MUST be lynched before end of game. Like, even if he's somehow town, how would we know? We have to lynch H1. I'm onboard with lynching H1 first, then. I'll take some time to think of third scum and do some reading tonight. One of me or gum is probably getting shot so the other has to lead town with just the filter of the dead guy. Gummy, you and I should both leave behind good analysis
I actually dont care if gb dies, call me cold for that, but yeah I dont trust the guy at lylo and we still have 1 mislynch so who better to spend it on right?
But on a less frivolous note, he is probally town much to our collective dismay / : whats more, he may have been right from the beginning XD we probably owe him an apology if things turn out how I expect.
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On October 30 2015 07:10 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 07:06 gumshoe wrote:On October 30 2015 07:04 ritoky wrote:
well, i am a donkey. but at least i am a confirmed town donkey. yes, you 100 percent are. so still suspect me and xata? Dont tell me you've gone full gb and now we look even scummier T_T idk what to think, will probably just wait to see me or bh get shot and then do vote analysis either right before phase change or right after.
well if things ever get to be too much too bear you can always... you know...
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On October 30 2015 07:15 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 07:13 ritoky wrote:On October 30 2015 07:13 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 07:10 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 07:07 GlowingBear wrote:I want EVERY player to comment on these posts. This may be hammering the team.On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
On October 30 2015 06:40 GlowingBear wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 28 2015 14:55 gumshoe wrote:
##unvote
##vote Gb
sorry gb ) : I dont have a good way to clear you anymore, it's on you, On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :
If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind. On October 28 2015 15:28 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2015 15:26 GlowingBear wrote:On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :
If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind. So how do you read Onegu and Hopeless? scum, what else? Scummier than you by far in my op. On October 28 2015 15:48 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2015 15:29 GlowingBear wrote:On October 28 2015 15:28 gumshoe wrote:On October 28 2015 15:26 GlowingBear wrote:On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :
If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind. So how do you read Onegu and Hopeless? scum, what else? Scummier than you by far in my op. You'll also be discussing them in the next 3 days, so I don't understand why are you complying with lynching me now at this point. Cause people I know are townies want you dead / : sure your way townier than hopeless and onegu, but nowhere near as townie as chrom or ritoky or bh or xat. So yeah, I dont paticularly care if you die cause I'm not lynching them / : and were going to have to lynch you eventually anyways. So unless theres some paticular reason why you need to live through the next 2 days when your probally gonna die on the third, I dont really care. Town wont be able to seriusly consider someone outside you three till you three are dead. so dems the braks. On October 29 2015 02:22 gumshoe wrote:
##unvote
your move scummers : D On October 30 2015 01:12 gumshoe wrote:
##Vote gb
I dont like the tone of his last posts / : the logic hes proposing is just so bad, paticularly bad considering hes one of the first to jump on your dick if you use "wifom'. I'm not sure a townie wouldn't realize how unconvincing they are with arguments like his. Quotes for what I've wrote. On October 30 2015 06:59 GlowingBear wrote:In case I die If you guys lynch Onegu tomorrow and he flips mafia: scum team is Onegu/gumshoe/BHGumshoe you guys know why. BH because he was always bringing reasons to call me town but he was wishy washy throghout the game. Then he decided I am mafia with Onegu. When I bring the case on gumshoe, he does everything to dismiss it when the association clearly points out to gumshoe being mafia with Onegu. Here is the proof BH has been dismissing my case without even reading it: + Show Spoiler +On October 30 2015 06:11 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 06:09 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 06:08 Blazinghand wrote:On October 30 2015 06:05 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 06:01 gumshoe wrote:On October 30 2015 05:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, so it seems I'm dead today.
Some thoughts for you:
IF Onegu is mafia, gumshoe is always mafia with him. It should be pretty telling to you that gumshoe was strong townreading me, then decided to vote me to follow his townreads, but when I confronted him he decided to simply "Unvote" while still scumreading Onegu. Then he decided to vote me again over TONE LOL. Now he is voting Onegu, but just when the lynch is secured on me (he voted Onegu when I've reached majority with 5 votes). This is fucking scummy.
BUT if Onegu turns out to be town, gumshoe is always town because there is no reason to do so
many scummy moves when the main two wagons are town.
I will expand on this in a couple of minutes. But for me, gumshoe and Onegu are always mafia. I don't know how Vivax could fit in this team, tho. i am trying to save your life right now you ungrateful shmuk : P chills out. No you're not, and you're mafia. If for some reason I miraculously survibe and Onegu flips red, I hope you are prepared. haha what?? are you serious gumshoe is top town second only to me. he's been solving this game and working with people, writing cases and analyzing in a SUPER on point way (except with that weird rayn kill rationalization) all game. no way anyone can keep that up as scum Did you read what I've brought on him? not really, I don't feel like lynching him (and there's no way it's happening today). Furthemore, you're probably scum. I've mostly been interested in getting 1gu lynched but I'll take a look at it overnight and make thoughts if you really care. That's a promise. I can't even get how he'd be scum and do all this good work, but maybe your case explains that. It's certainly no loss to me to do some extra reading, I think we got this wrapped up like a chicken burrito On October 30 2015 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 06:37 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
PLEASE READ
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
Well if gumshoe ends up being scum, he really deserves a nomination for best plays of 2015 and the win :D Don't pay attention to this but if 1G flips scum: GB and 1G are scum and Gummie is town, GB trying to cast suspicion on Gummie for some reaosn Of course this is all unflipped association that should not be paid attention to On October 30 2015 06:43 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 06:42 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:On October 30 2015 06:37 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
PLEASE READ
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
Well if gumshoe ends up being scum, he really deserves a nomination for best plays of 2015 and the win :D Don't pay attention to this but if 1G flips scum: GB and 1G are scum and Gummie is town, GB trying to cast suspicion on Gummie for some reaosn Of course this is all unflipped association that should not be paid attention to The problem is: I'm talking about flipped association. Care to read what I asked you to read? Point out what is wrong on what I've brought. yeah yeah chill out bro we're lynching 1G today anyways. Almost certainly he's gonna flip scum, and then you're gonna make some kind of asslike push on Gumshoe in an attempt to "look townie", then we lynch you and H1 and win the game I could be wrong on BH though and be OMGUSing right now. But I find hard to believe he would try to dismiss my "please read" so hard + I find hard to believe he would believe that day3 wagons were both mafia with no other scum trying to form a wagon on a townie. Could you explain how scum gumshoe does the work to save you in the end? If he actually was scum, he would see that you're right, and you'd be a huge danger tomorrow. Instead, he chooses to bus scum Onegu???!!! Onegu could hammer if it wasn't for ritoky???? Bussing Onegu delivers town cred (like the one you're giving gumshoe now)? Bussing Onegu is okay because he was already looking bad and he would die at some point anyway?? I will counter-question you: Why would you vote on A TOWN READ instead of a SCUM READ?
Simply as this. i just did this and lynched mafia. #rekt No ritoky. You wanted to shenannie. And that's what you did. You didn't hard defend Onegu at any point. It's a completely different case and you would realise it IF YOU FUCKING READ WHAT I'VE WROTE MY GOD!!!!
gb, please calm down, you know your town, I pretty much know your town, but your not gonna convince people by yelling / : lets just chill mkay? We gave you another 2 days probs (scum wont shoot you unless they wanna pull another rayn, didnt work out well the first time so mah guess is your here to stay)
Gb, I actually could have mislynched you yesterday, bh too, honestly any one of us on the onegu train could have and nobody would even blink, if were scum, why did we go to great lengths to kill our buddy instead?
for da cred might work for bullfighters, but not us / :
so whats more likely, bh and I spared you, or hopeless (please read mah hopeless argument btw) and (come close) + Show Spoiler + are the two scummers who just desperately tried to save their buddy?
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On October 30 2015 07:21 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 07:21 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 07:16 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 07:13 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 07:10 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 07:07 GlowingBear wrote:I want EVERY player to comment on these posts. This may be hammering the team.On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
On October 30 2015 06:40 GlowingBear wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 28 2015 14:55 gumshoe wrote:
##unvote
##vote Gb
sorry gb ) : I dont have a good way to clear you anymore, it's on you, On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :
If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind. On October 28 2015 15:28 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2015 15:26 GlowingBear wrote:On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :
If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind. So how do you read Onegu and Hopeless? scum, what else? Scummier than you by far in my op. On October 28 2015 15:48 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2015 15:29 GlowingBear wrote:On October 28 2015 15:28 gumshoe wrote:On October 28 2015 15:26 GlowingBear wrote:On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :
If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind. So how do you read Onegu and Hopeless? scum, what else? Scummier than you by far in my op. You'll also be discussing them in the next 3 days, so I don't understand why are you complying with lynching me now at this point. Cause people I know are townies want you dead / : sure your way townier than hopeless and onegu, but nowhere near as townie as chrom or ritoky or bh or xat. So yeah, I dont paticularly care if you die cause I'm not lynching them / : and were going to have to lynch you eventually anyways. So unless theres some paticular reason why you need to live through the next 2 days when your probally gonna die on the third, I dont really care. Town wont be able to seriusly consider someone outside you three till you three are dead. so dems the braks. On October 29 2015 02:22 gumshoe wrote:
##unvote
your move scummers : D On October 30 2015 01:12 gumshoe wrote:
##Vote gb
I dont like the tone of his last posts / : the logic hes proposing is just so bad, paticularly bad considering hes one of the first to jump on your dick if you use "wifom'. I'm not sure a townie wouldn't realize how unconvincing they are with arguments like his. Quotes for what I've wrote. On October 30 2015 06:59 GlowingBear wrote:In case I die If you guys lynch Onegu tomorrow and he flips mafia: scum team is Onegu/gumshoe/BHGumshoe you guys know why. BH because he was always bringing reasons to call me town but he was wishy washy throghout the game. Then he decided I am mafia with Onegu. When I bring the case on gumshoe, he does everything to dismiss it when the association clearly points out to gumshoe being mafia with Onegu. Here is the proof BH has been dismissing my case without even reading it: + Show Spoiler +On October 30 2015 06:11 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 06:09 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 06:08 Blazinghand wrote:On October 30 2015 06:05 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 06:01 gumshoe wrote:On October 30 2015 05:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, so it seems I'm dead today.
Some thoughts for you:
IF Onegu is mafia, gumshoe is always mafia with him. It should be pretty telling to you that gumshoe was strong townreading me, then decided to vote me to follow his townreads, but when I confronted him he decided to simply "Unvote" while still scumreading Onegu. Then he decided to vote me again over TONE LOL. Now he is voting Onegu, but just when the lynch is secured on me (he voted Onegu when I've reached majority with 5 votes). This is fucking scummy.
BUT if Onegu turns out to be town, gumshoe is always town because there is no reason to do so
many scummy moves when the main two wagons are town.
I will expand on this in a couple of minutes. But for me, gumshoe and Onegu are always mafia. I don't know how Vivax could fit in this team, tho. i am trying to save your life right now you ungrateful shmuk : P chills out. No you're not, and you're mafia. If for some reason I miraculously survibe and Onegu flips red, I hope you are prepared. haha what?? are you serious gumshoe is top town second only to me. he's been solving this game and working with people, writing cases and analyzing in a SUPER on point way (except with that weird rayn kill rationalization) all game. no way anyone can keep that up as scum Did you read what I've brought on him? not really, I don't feel like lynching him (and there's no way it's happening today). Furthemore, you're probably scum. I've mostly been interested in getting 1gu lynched but I'll take a look at it overnight and make thoughts if you really care. That's a promise. I can't even get how he'd be scum and do all this good work, but maybe your case explains that. It's certainly no loss to me to do some extra reading, I think we got this wrapped up like a chicken burrito On October 30 2015 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 06:37 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
PLEASE READ
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
Well if gumshoe ends up being scum, he really deserves a nomination for best plays of 2015 and the win :D Don't pay attention to this but if 1G flips scum: GB and 1G are scum and Gummie is town, GB trying to cast suspicion on Gummie for some reaosn Of course this is all unflipped association that should not be paid attention to On October 30 2015 06:43 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 06:42 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:On October 30 2015 06:37 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
PLEASE READ
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
Well if gumshoe ends up being scum, he really deserves a nomination for best plays of 2015 and the win :D Don't pay attention to this but if 1G flips scum: GB and 1G are scum and Gummie is town, GB trying to cast suspicion on Gummie for some reaosn Of course this is all unflipped association that should not be paid attention to The problem is: I'm talking about flipped association. Care to read what I asked you to read? Point out what is wrong on what I've brought. yeah yeah chill out bro we're lynching 1G today anyways. Almost certainly he's gonna flip scum, and then you're gonna make some kind of asslike push on Gumshoe in an attempt to "look townie", then we lynch you and H1 and win the game I could be wrong on BH though and be OMGUSing right now. But I find hard to believe he would try to dismiss my "please read" so hard + I find hard to believe he would believe that day3 wagons were both mafia with no other scum trying to form a wagon on a townie. Could you explain how scum gumshoe does the work to save you in the end? If he actually was scum, he would see that you're right, and you'd be a huge danger tomorrow. Instead, he chooses to bus scum Onegu???!!! Onegu could hammer if it wasn't for ritoky???? Bussing Onegu delivers town cred (like the one you're giving gumshoe now)? Bussing Onegu is okay because he was already looking bad and he would die at some point anyway?? I will counter-question you: Why would you vote on A TOWN READ instead of a SCUM READ? Simply as this. Hm... Well, honestly, gumshoe had already said repeatedly that you were more of a null and unreliable regardless - forced lynch, kind of. I also entertained your lynch many times even though I thought you were more likely town than Onegu. But I'm glad he flipped scum now and we extended our playtime. Harder for scum to endure the extended pressure. MY GOD XATALOS. MY GOD. Did you read what I've wrote? I mean, at all? no, he's not big on reading what others write.
low blow XD
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On October 30 2015 06:50 Vivax wrote:
Xata get your vote on GB PLEASE
I mean, I could write up a whole case, but dis should be enough. Basically hands in the cookie jar / :
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On October 30 2015 07:26 ritoky wrote:
gumshoe i think you're missing it a bit.
he's saying something like you hard defend him, then after being beat on by me and chrom you vote on someone you've been hard town defending. then you swap back.
now while initially this looks like an innocuous moment of weakness it actually was highly significant, because in the tiebreaker scenario you had put GB ahead of 1gu. essentially meaning you damned GB to death without getting your hands dirty in the lynch and for a reason he feels is unjustified at best and scummy at worst.
that said you just talked me into lynching scum, so i am somewhat disinclined to listen to cases on you while my raging hard boner is still around.
Your totally right / : what I displayed yesterday regarding the lynch was total apathy, which is a trait scum show particularly when the lynch is between two townies (example bieng onegu wasting his lynch day 2, because it was probably a win win for scum)
The key difference is I was in the opposite position, I felt no matter who died yesterday, it would be good for town. Gb, who was the townier of the two from my view, was dividing town and I figured his death would be healthy for the circus, and I might have even been wrong about his alignment like I was about yamato / : so there was that to hope for as well. Whereas onegu was almost for sure scum, but we would probally get around lynching eventually.
Assuming we would get around to killing onegu at some point, it would be better to lynch gb now regardless his alignment to unify town as soon as possible.
I only really started to care when the slightest potential arose that we might never lynch onegu (that would be you : P) and I felt it was now or never seeing as someone against onegu would probably die after the lynch on gb /  who had and still has a good shot at bieng town)
So in effect, I basically was showcasing several scum traits day 3,( apathy, coldness and calculation). Gb is probably honing in on those / : which I cannot blame him for as they are in fact scum traits, its just in this case mah scuminess is to the benefit of town : P so dont hold it against me.
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On October 30 2015 07:48 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 07:45 Xatalos wrote:
Actually yeah, I at least wouldn't mislynch GB in that situation.... Because it would look pretty bad for you if you were the one hammering him and he flipped town, and he'd probably be very easy to mislynch in the future regardless... So I don't think that point holds BH... Right, but then we're going into 5-3 MYLO. Like, remember that at the time I was literally shenannying onto GB from yamato. There was a shenanny happening. Tons of people said "I think GB is scum, but I'm afraid yamato won't get modkilled. It's fine if he dies though." I think scum would have hammered. Think about what the thread was like in those moments-- don't just recall teh vote pattern, but the way things were happening and what was going on in-thread. One more vote on Bh's shenanny, that variosu people supported, wouldn't make you suspicions at all. I think scum would have done it.
You need to also consider where scum was positioned day 2 : P I know hopeless was null on gb, wouldnt be too easy for him to hammer without getting wreked.
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On October 30 2015 07:51 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 07:50 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 07:48 Blazinghand wrote:On October 30 2015 07:45 Xatalos wrote:
Actually yeah, I at least wouldn't mislynch GB in that situation.... Because it would look pretty bad for you if you were the one hammering him and he flipped town, and he'd probably be very easy to mislynch in the future regardless... So I don't think that point holds BH... Right, but then we're going into 5-3 MYLO. Like, remember that at the time I was literally shenannying onto GB from yamato. There was a shenanny happening. Tons of people said "I think GB is scum, but I'm afraid yamato won't get modkilled. It's fine if he dies though." I think scum would have hammered. Think about what the thread was like in those moments-- don't just recall teh vote pattern, but the way things were happening and what was going on in-thread. One more vote on Bh's shenanny, that variosu people supported, wouldn't make you suspicions at all. I think scum would have done it. I guess it's possible... But still not certain. The main benefit would be forcing town's hand by refusing them another "free" mislynch, I guess.... And limiting the amount of time the game would continue and information would accumulate. Eh, maybe I'm misreading the situation but it looks to me like, if GB really IS town, there's a free mislynch there for scum to pick up at no cost.
not no cost : P looks bads.
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On October 30 2015 07:56 Xatalos wrote:
I guess it depends on if they could reasonably get away with the town flip, yeah. Like if they already scumread him.
boom. You get a cookie : D if we assume gb is town based of his behaviur then...
theres two possibilities,
1: scum didnt feel they could get away with it,
2: Scum were too inactive to capitalize.
onegu
Becuase it effects my read on him. That is why I would lynch him over GB.
But I am waiting for you to tell me why GB is scum.
hopeless
Kind of null about GB, I'd vote him but more on a PoE basis.
This two weren't really in a position to hammer / :
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Oh also present from Onegu
Rayn scum reads Xata, and hopeless and then dies. Coincidence I think not.
Anyway I am going to bed.
We should lynch xata or hopeless today.
guess this was why they shot rayn?T This should pretty much clear xata honestly. Theres some other stuff on the rayn shot that we could probally make use of, might do some more fishin later.
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On October 30 2015 08:19 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 07:31 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 07:21 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 07:16 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 07:13 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 07:10 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 07:07 GlowingBear wrote:I want EVERY player to comment on these posts. This may be hammering the team.On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
On October 30 2015 06:40 GlowingBear wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 28 2015 14:55 gumshoe wrote:
##unvote
##vote Gb
sorry gb ) : I dont have a good way to clear you anymore, it's on you, On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :
If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind. On October 28 2015 15:28 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2015 15:26 GlowingBear wrote:On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :
If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind. So how do you read Onegu and Hopeless? scum, what else? Scummier than you by far in my op. On October 28 2015 15:48 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2015 15:29 GlowingBear wrote:On October 28 2015 15:28 gumshoe wrote:On October 28 2015 15:26 GlowingBear wrote:On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :
If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind. So how do you read Onegu and Hopeless? scum, what else? Scummier than you by far in my op. You'll also be discussing them in the next 3 days, so I don't understand why are you complying with lynching me now at this point. Cause people I know are townies want you dead / : sure your way townier than hopeless and onegu, but nowhere near as townie as chrom or ritoky or bh or xat. So yeah, I dont paticularly care if you die cause I'm not lynching them / : and were going to have to lynch you eventually anyways. So unless theres some paticular reason why you need to live through the next 2 days when your probally gonna die on the third, I dont really care. Town wont be able to seriusly consider someone outside you three till you three are dead. so dems the braks. On October 29 2015 02:22 gumshoe wrote:
##unvote
your move scummers : D On October 30 2015 01:12 gumshoe wrote:
##Vote gb
I dont like the tone of his last posts / : the logic hes proposing is just so bad, paticularly bad considering hes one of the first to jump on your dick if you use "wifom'. I'm not sure a townie wouldn't realize how unconvincing they are with arguments like his. Quotes for what I've wrote. On October 30 2015 06:59 GlowingBear wrote:In case I die If you guys lynch Onegu tomorrow and he flips mafia: scum team is Onegu/gumshoe/BHGumshoe you guys know why. BH because he was always bringing reasons to call me town but he was wishy washy throghout the game. Then he decided I am mafia with Onegu. When I bring the case on gumshoe, he does everything to dismiss it when the association clearly points out to gumshoe being mafia with Onegu. Here is the proof BH has been dismissing my case without even reading it: + Show Spoiler +On October 30 2015 06:11 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 06:09 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 06:08 Blazinghand wrote:On October 30 2015 06:05 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 06:01 gumshoe wrote:On October 30 2015 05:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, so it seems I'm dead today.
Some thoughts for you:
IF Onegu is mafia, gumshoe is always mafia with him. It should be pretty telling to you that gumshoe was strong townreading me, then decided to vote me to follow his townreads, but when I confronted him he decided to simply "Unvote" while still scumreading Onegu. Then he decided to vote me again over TONE LOL. Now he is voting Onegu, but just when the lynch is secured on me (he voted Onegu when I've reached majority with 5 votes). This is fucking scummy.
BUT if Onegu turns out to be town, gumshoe is always town because there is no reason to do so
many scummy moves when the main two wagons are town.
I will expand on this in a couple of minutes. But for me, gumshoe and Onegu are always mafia. I don't know how Vivax could fit in this team, tho. i am trying to save your life right now you ungrateful shmuk : P chills out. No you're not, and you're mafia. If for some reason I miraculously survibe and Onegu flips red, I hope you are prepared. haha what?? are you serious gumshoe is top town second only to me. he's been solving this game and working with people, writing cases and analyzing in a SUPER on point way (except with that weird rayn kill rationalization) all game. no way anyone can keep that up as scum Did you read what I've brought on him? not really, I don't feel like lynching him (and there's no way it's happening today). Furthemore, you're probably scum. I've mostly been interested in getting 1gu lynched but I'll take a look at it overnight and make thoughts if you really care. That's a promise. I can't even get how he'd be scum and do all this good work, but maybe your case explains that. It's certainly no loss to me to do some extra reading, I think we got this wrapped up like a chicken burrito On October 30 2015 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 06:37 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
PLEASE READ
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
Well if gumshoe ends up being scum, he really deserves a nomination for best plays of 2015 and the win :D Don't pay attention to this but if 1G flips scum: GB and 1G are scum and Gummie is town, GB trying to cast suspicion on Gummie for some reaosn Of course this is all unflipped association that should not be paid attention to On October 30 2015 06:43 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 06:42 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:On October 30 2015 06:37 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
PLEASE READ
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
Well if gumshoe ends up being scum, he really deserves a nomination for best plays of 2015 and the win :D Don't pay attention to this but if 1G flips scum: GB and 1G are scum and Gummie is town, GB trying to cast suspicion on Gummie for some reaosn Of course this is all unflipped association that should not be paid attention to The problem is: I'm talking about flipped association. Care to read what I asked you to read? Point out what is wrong on what I've brought. yeah yeah chill out bro we're lynching 1G today anyways. Almost certainly he's gonna flip scum, and then you're gonna make some kind of asslike push on Gumshoe in an attempt to "look townie", then we lynch you and H1 and win the game I could be wrong on BH though and be OMGUSing right now. But I find hard to believe he would try to dismiss my "please read" so hard + I find hard to believe he would believe that day3 wagons were both mafia with no other scum trying to form a wagon on a townie. Could you explain how scum gumshoe does the work to save you in the end? If he actually was scum, he would see that you're right, and you'd be a huge danger tomorrow. Instead, he chooses to bus scum Onegu???!!! Onegu could hammer if it wasn't for ritoky???? Bussing Onegu delivers town cred (like the one you're giving gumshoe now)? Bussing Onegu is okay because he was already looking bad and he would die at some point anyway?? I will counter-question you: Why would you vote on A TOWN READ instead of a SCUM READ? Simply as this. Hm... Well, honestly, gumshoe had already said repeatedly that you were more of a null and unreliable regardless - forced lynch, kind of. I also entertained your lynch many times even though I thought you were more likely town than Onegu. But I'm glad he flipped scum now and we extended our playtime. Harder for scum to endure the extended pressure. MY GOD XATALOS. MY GOD. Did you read what I've wrote? I mean, at all? Didn't really bother reading it yet when gumshoe is so obviously town this game... Xata. Go. And read.
can you please not force us to waste our mislynch on you? Also read this
Your totally right / : what I displayed yesterday regarding the lynch was total apathy, which is a trait scum show particularly when the lynch is between two townies (example bieng onegu wasting his lynch day 2, because it was probably a win win for scum)
The key difference is I was in the opposite position, I felt no matter who died yesterday, it would be good for town. Gb, who was the townier of the two from my view, was dividing town and I figured his death would be healthy for the circus, and I might have even been wrong about his alignment like I was about yamato / : so there was that to hope for as well. Whereas onegu was almost for sure scum, but we would probally get around lynching eventually.
Assuming we would get around to killing onegu at some point, it would be better to lynch gb now regardless his alignment to unify town as soon as possible.
I only really started to care when the slightest potential arose that we might never lynch onegu (that would be you : P) and I felt it was now or never seeing as someone against onegu would probably die after the lynch on gb / who had and still has a good shot at bieng town)
So in effect, I basically was showcasing several scum traits day 3,( apathy, coldness and calculation). Gb is probably honing in on those / : which I cannot blame him for as they are in fact scum traits, its just in this case mah scuminess is to the benefit of town : P so dont hold it against me.
as an adendum to that, I understand how important your life is to you this game, but it literally means nothing to me / : so yes, I will kill you in a heart beat if town cant seem to function with you around.
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On October 30 2015 08:43 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 08:36 gumshoe wrote:On October 30 2015 08:19 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 07:31 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 07:21 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 07:16 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 07:13 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 07:10 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 07:07 GlowingBear wrote:I want EVERY player to comment on these posts. This may be hammering the team.On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
On October 30 2015 06:40 GlowingBear wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 28 2015 14:55 gumshoe wrote:
##unvote
##vote Gb
sorry gb ) : I dont have a good way to clear you anymore, it's on you, On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :
If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind. On October 28 2015 15:28 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2015 15:26 GlowingBear wrote:On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :
If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind. So how do you read Onegu and Hopeless? scum, what else? Scummier than you by far in my op. On October 28 2015 15:48 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2015 15:29 GlowingBear wrote:On October 28 2015 15:28 gumshoe wrote:On October 28 2015 15:26 GlowingBear wrote:On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :
If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind. So how do you read Onegu and Hopeless? scum, what else? Scummier than you by far in my op. You'll also be discussing them in the next 3 days, so I don't understand why are you complying with lynching me now at this point. Cause people I know are townies want you dead / : sure your way townier than hopeless and onegu, but nowhere near as townie as chrom or ritoky or bh or xat. So yeah, I dont paticularly care if you die cause I'm not lynching them / : and were going to have to lynch you eventually anyways. So unless theres some paticular reason why you need to live through the next 2 days when your probally gonna die on the third, I dont really care. Town wont be able to seriusly consider someone outside you three till you three are dead. so dems the braks. On October 29 2015 02:22 gumshoe wrote:
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your move scummers : D On October 30 2015 01:12 gumshoe wrote:
##Vote gb
I dont like the tone of his last posts / : the logic hes proposing is just so bad, paticularly bad considering hes one of the first to jump on your dick if you use "wifom'. I'm not sure a townie wouldn't realize how unconvincing they are with arguments like his. Quotes for what I've wrote. On October 30 2015 06:59 GlowingBear wrote:In case I die If you guys lynch Onegu tomorrow and he flips mafia: scum team is Onegu/gumshoe/BHGumshoe you guys know why. BH because he was always bringing reasons to call me town but he was wishy washy throghout the game. Then he decided I am mafia with Onegu. When I bring the case on gumshoe, he does everything to dismiss it when the association clearly points out to gumshoe being mafia with Onegu. Here is the proof BH has been dismissing my case without even reading it: + Show Spoiler +On October 30 2015 06:11 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 06:09 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 06:08 Blazinghand wrote:On October 30 2015 06:05 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 06:01 gumshoe wrote:On October 30 2015 05:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, so it seems I'm dead today.
Some thoughts for you:
IF Onegu is mafia, gumshoe is always mafia with him. It should be pretty telling to you that gumshoe was strong townreading me, then decided to vote me to follow his townreads, but when I confronted him he decided to simply "Unvote" while still scumreading Onegu. Then he decided to vote me again over TONE LOL. Now he is voting Onegu, but just when the lynch is secured on me (he voted Onegu when I've reached majority with 5 votes). This is fucking scummy.
BUT if Onegu turns out to be town, gumshoe is always town because there is no reason to do so
many scummy moves when the main two wagons are town.
I will expand on this in a couple of minutes. But for me, gumshoe and Onegu are always mafia. I don't know how Vivax could fit in this team, tho. i am trying to save your life right now you ungrateful shmuk : P chills out. No you're not, and you're mafia. If for some reason I miraculously survibe and Onegu flips red, I hope you are prepared. haha what?? are you serious gumshoe is top town second only to me. he's been solving this game and working with people, writing cases and analyzing in a SUPER on point way (except with that weird rayn kill rationalization) all game. no way anyone can keep that up as scum Did you read what I've brought on him? not really, I don't feel like lynching him (and there's no way it's happening today). Furthemore, you're probably scum. I've mostly been interested in getting 1gu lynched but I'll take a look at it overnight and make thoughts if you really care. That's a promise. I can't even get how he'd be scum and do all this good work, but maybe your case explains that. It's certainly no loss to me to do some extra reading, I think we got this wrapped up like a chicken burrito On October 30 2015 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 06:37 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
PLEASE READ
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
Well if gumshoe ends up being scum, he really deserves a nomination for best plays of 2015 and the win :D Don't pay attention to this but if 1G flips scum: GB and 1G are scum and Gummie is town, GB trying to cast suspicion on Gummie for some reaosn Of course this is all unflipped association that should not be paid attention to On October 30 2015 06:43 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 06:42 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:On October 30 2015 06:37 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
PLEASE READ
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
Well if gumshoe ends up being scum, he really deserves a nomination for best plays of 2015 and the win :D Don't pay attention to this but if 1G flips scum: GB and 1G are scum and Gummie is town, GB trying to cast suspicion on Gummie for some reaosn Of course this is all unflipped association that should not be paid attention to The problem is: I'm talking about flipped association. Care to read what I asked you to read? Point out what is wrong on what I've brought. yeah yeah chill out bro we're lynching 1G today anyways. Almost certainly he's gonna flip scum, and then you're gonna make some kind of asslike push on Gumshoe in an attempt to "look townie", then we lynch you and H1 and win the game I could be wrong on BH though and be OMGUSing right now. But I find hard to believe he would try to dismiss my "please read" so hard + I find hard to believe he would believe that day3 wagons were both mafia with no other scum trying to form a wagon on a townie. Could you explain how scum gumshoe does the work to save you in the end? If he actually was scum, he would see that you're right, and you'd be a huge danger tomorrow. Instead, he chooses to bus scum Onegu???!!! Onegu could hammer if it wasn't for ritoky???? Bussing Onegu delivers town cred (like the one you're giving gumshoe now)? Bussing Onegu is okay because he was already looking bad and he would die at some point anyway?? I will counter-question you: Why would you vote on A TOWN READ instead of a SCUM READ? Simply as this. Hm... Well, honestly, gumshoe had already said repeatedly that you were more of a null and unreliable regardless - forced lynch, kind of. I also entertained your lynch many times even though I thought you were more likely town than Onegu. But I'm glad he flipped scum now and we extended our playtime. Harder for scum to endure the extended pressure. MY GOD XATALOS. MY GOD. Did you read what I've wrote? I mean, at all? Didn't really bother reading it yet when gumshoe is so obviously town this game... Xata. Go. And read. can you please not force us to waste our mislynch on you? Also read this Your totally right / : what I displayed yesterday regarding the lynch was total apathy, which is a trait scum show particularly when the lynch is between two townies (example bieng onegu wasting his lynch day 2, because it was probably a win win for scum)
The key difference is I was in the opposite position, I felt no matter who died yesterday, it would be good for town. Gb, who was the townier of the two from my view, was dividing town and I figured his death would be healthy for the circus, and I might have even been wrong about his alignment like I was about yamato / : so there was that to hope for as well. Whereas onegu was almost for sure scum, but we would probally get around lynching eventually.
Assuming we would get around to killing onegu at some point, it would be better to lynch gb now regardless his alignment to unify town as soon as possible.
I only really started to care when the slightest potential arose that we might never lynch onegu (that would be you : P) and I felt it was now or never seeing as someone against onegu would probably die after the lynch on gb / who had and still has a good shot at bieng town)
So in effect, I basically was showcasing several scum traits day 3,( apathy, coldness and calculation). Gb is probably honing in on those / : which I cannot blame him for as they are in fact scum traits, its just in this case mah scuminess is to the benefit of town : P so dont hold it against me. as an adendum to that, I understand how important your life is to you this game, but it literally means nothing to me / : so yes, I will kill you in a heart beat if town cant seem to function with you around. whoa chill out dude. if GB is shitting up the thread and causing problems, yes, it's reasonable to lycnh him, but don't do it if we think he's town, yes? We only have one mislynch of room right now so we should use it wisely
I did say please first : P unnecessary hostility aside, I would totes lynch vivax before him.
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On October 30 2015 09:26 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 08:43 Blazinghand wrote:On October 30 2015 08:36 gumshoe wrote:On October 30 2015 08:19 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 07:31 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 07:21 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 07:16 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 07:13 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 07:10 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 07:07 GlowingBear wrote:
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I could be wrong on BH though and be OMGUSing right now. But I find hard to believe he would try to dismiss my "please read" so hard + I find hard to believe he would believe that day3 wagons were both mafia with no other scum trying to form a wagon on a townie. Could you explain how scum gumshoe does the work to save you in the end? If he actually was scum, he would see that you're right, and you'd be a huge danger tomorrow. Instead, he chooses to bus scum Onegu???!!! Onegu could hammer if it wasn't for ritoky???? Bussing Onegu delivers town cred (like the one you're giving gumshoe now)? Bussing Onegu is okay because he was already looking bad and he would die at some point anyway?? I will counter-question you: Why would you vote on A TOWN READ instead of a SCUM READ? Simply as this. Hm... Well, honestly, gumshoe had already said repeatedly that you were more of a null and unreliable regardless - forced lynch, kind of. I also entertained your lynch many times even though I thought you were more likely town than Onegu. But I'm glad he flipped scum now and we extended our playtime. Harder for scum to endure the extended pressure. MY GOD XATALOS. MY GOD. Did you read what I've wrote? I mean, at all? Didn't really bother reading it yet when gumshoe is so obviously town this game... Xata. Go. And read. can you please not force us to waste our mislynch on you? Also read this Your totally right / : what I displayed yesterday regarding the lynch was total apathy, which is a trait scum show particularly when the lynch is between two townies (example bieng onegu wasting his lynch day 2, because it was probably a win win for scum)
The key difference is I was in the opposite position, I felt no matter who died yesterday, it would be good for town. Gb, who was the townier of the two from my view, was dividing town and I figured his death would be healthy for the circus, and I might have even been wrong about his alignment like I was about yamato / : so there was that to hope for as well. Whereas onegu was almost for sure scum, but we would probally get around lynching eventually.
Assuming we would get around to killing onegu at some point, it would be better to lynch gb now regardless his alignment to unify town as soon as possible.
I only really started to care when the slightest potential arose that we might never lynch onegu (that would be you : P) and I felt it was now or never seeing as someone against onegu would probably die after the lynch on gb / who had and still has a good shot at bieng town)
So in effect, I basically was showcasing several scum traits day 3,( apathy, coldness and calculation). Gb is probably honing in on those / : which I cannot blame him for as they are in fact scum traits, its just in this case mah scuminess is to the benefit of town : P so dont hold it against me. as an adendum to that, I understand how important your life is to you this game, but it literally means nothing to me / : so yes, I will kill you in a heart beat if town cant seem to function with you around. whoa chill out dude. if GB is shitting up the thread and causing problems, yes, it's reasonable to lycnh him, but don't do it if we think he's town, yes? We only have one mislynch of room right now so we should use it wisely I'm not shitting up the thread, I'm trying to have people reading an ironclad case they are ignoring by default. Whatever, I will vote gumshoe tomorrow and peace out and you decide whatever you want to do. I've put all my remaining energy into trying to show you that gumshoe is mafia, I'm not willing to do more. GG.
See ya tommorow best buddy : D
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On October 30 2015 18:29 Vivax wrote:I've started to doubt gumshoe since he started planting the idea that I'm mafia as opposed to people who are competent at reading me. I was assuming his posting style made him town all game long but given that 2 mafia are planning the endgame now and he has started to doing all sorts of shady shit, I'm reevaluating. Take a look at this post, it's from D1. When you look at the votecounts in question you will notice that nobody ever had a chance to kill Onegu cause marv and rayn were both on the slam wagon with huge support from others. Point I'm making is that this read is weird given the information we have now, and suggests gumshoe had knowledge of how to read people around Onegu's alignment. Another example: When he went all nuts and Chrom-defender after I told Chrom that if he wanted Onegu's reads he could simply look them up. Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 11:15 gumshoe wrote:
Ritoky's switch onto Onegu last second makes very little sense as scum, if Onegu is town and gets bussed last sec, Ritoky looks terrible. If Onegue is scum, he just helped kill his teamate 0_0 seems like a dumb and unnecessary risk when town is already fixated on slam.
It's possible Ritoky was super confident Bh's lynch wouldn't go through, but then why bother at all? Just to distance himself from the slam lynch? Could backfire huge if Onegu actually did get lynched (would look like a last second buss off of Ritoky's buddy slam) As you will soon see, neither was ritoky's switch "last second" (it happened 12 min prior lynch), nor does it make sense for gumshoe to make the assumption that ritoky is town cause if Onegu was town ritoky would look terrible. And I think this is a nail in the coffin type of argument already, cause now I'm explaining it like you're 12. First of all, he's exaggerating the weight of what ritoky really did: Last second switch, killig Onegu when the majority was on Slam all the time and didn't have any intention to switch. Second, he's making this argument in which he spews Onegu's alignment (and ritoky's with the entire post). Second, he's using this logic: "Since ritoky would look terrible if Onegu flipped town, he is town". at a time where he couldn't possibly be certain on Onegu's alignment, and also wasn't in his scumreads posts. He literally assumed 100 % that Onegu was mafia when making this post. Here the relevant votes, for display: + Show Spoiler +On October 24 2015 05:30 Rels wrote:Day 1 Vote Count Alakaslam (9): raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet, marvellosity, Hopeless1der, yamato77, Chromatically, Vivax, Blazinghand, gumshoe, ritoky raynpelikoneet (4): Blazinghand, Xatalos, Vivax, Hopeless1der, Xatalos, Alakaslam, GlowingBear, Onegu Vivax (0): gumshoe, GlowingBear, Oneguritoky (0): Chromatically, raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet, gumshoeGlowingBear (0): marvellosity, yamato77, Vivax, raynpelikoneet, marvellosity, VivaxChromatically (0): Xatalos, VivaxOnegu (0): Onegu, gumshoeHopeless1der (0): gumshoemarvellosity (0): GlowingBearXatalos (0): ChromaticallyLooks like it's time to sack Alakaslam for being a traitor!
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On October 24 2015 05:45 Blazinghand wrote:
##unvote
##vote Onegu
On October 24 2015 05:47 Xatalos wrote:
##Vote Onegu
On October 24 2015 05:48 ritoky wrote:
##unvote
##vote Onegu
On October 24 2015 06:03 Rels wrote:Final Day 1 Vote Count Alakaslam (8): raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet, marvellosity, Hopeless1der, yamato77, Chromatically, Vivax, Blazinghand, gumshoe, ritoky, Blazinghand, Blazinghand raynpelikoneet (3): Blazinghand, Xatalos, Vivax, Hopeless1der, Xatalos, Alakaslam, GlowingBear, Onegu Onegu (2): Onegu, gumshoe, Blazinghand, Xatalos, ritoky, Xatalos ritoky (0): Chromatically, raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet, gumshoeGlowingBear (0): marvellosity, yamato77, Vivax, raynpelikoneet, marvellosity, VivaxChromatically (0): Xatalos, VivaxVivax (0): gumshoe, GlowingBear, OneguHopeless1der (0): gumshoemarvellosity (0): GlowingBearXatalos (0): ChromaticallyWe have discovered Alakaslam to be a chocolate saboteur!
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I have considered onegu scummy all game based off his lacklustre play. Never once have I town read him, was I bussing my teammate to max? Maybe? Purposeless bussing is dumb to me. As for the accuracy of the read, remember, everyone who town read onegu did so for meta reasons, but I cannot recall a game where we were both active together.
Basically I was immunized to the whole onegu is always bad therefore he's town bug. So I wasn't calling him scum because I knew his alignment, I was calling him scum cause he looked scummier than everyone else there.
As for my ritoky argument, your counter point makes sense only if I was certain that ritoky was certain the slam lynch would never happen (which how the fuck could I be?)but by the end there were as many votes on onegu as there were on rayn, I woulda switched myself but I was scared of scum hammering rayn instead of onegu or slam.
But yeah I stand by it even now, if you last second sheep a guy who leads a shenayne onto a townie off a guy everyone wanted dead, your gonna have a bad time, and if you did it onto your scum buddy, why?
All that plus ritoky a actions yesterday means ritoky is town. Also chrom is town too, leave him alone.
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On October 30 2015 23:57 Vivax wrote:
Xata what about scumsiding exactly?
You will have to agree with me that pushing a guy I wanted lynch on D1 already doesn't exactly fit the mafia profile.
It can but it doesn't have to. So it's no argument.
Btw, your never answered me, is chrom still scum?
also the ritoky thing was there since literally n1, little convenient your only picking up on it now that I am pushing you isn't it?
Or was I just so townie this game that you never bothered looking through my filter?
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On October 31 2015 00:25 Vivax wrote:Literally the only scenario where "mafia tries to save GB" is valid is if I'm scum with Chrom or hopeless. Or we'd be stupid for not both being on the bus Don't get me even started on the GB and me scenario cause that's just super idiotic. Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 22:21 Chromatically wrote:
I don't see what's wrong with his logic? I don't see how he assumed that Onegu was mafia during his post. He says if Onegu is mafia, then ritoky can't be mafia, and if Onegu is town, then ritoky can't be mafia either, therefore ritoky is town. Maybe he's exaggerating/giving too much weight to the argument, but I don't see how it's scummy. He's reading way too much into that to be townie. And the focus on Onegu. If he was stuck on voting Slam like he was without partaking in shenannies like ritoky, then why is it one of his first thoughts to analyse ritoky's alignment BASED on Onegu's alignment? The point is that as mafia you have a different type of attention to things. Like Onegu slipping that Slam was town when he said "the best marv has is a lynch on Slam" and then ends up TRing marv. Both flipped townies (you gotta work with that not with the conspiracies around my alignment depending on GB's). I think that in that post gumshoe said something mafia would say, since he resorted to analysing the action of a guy I'm assuming to be town (ritoky) using a now flipped mafia as the person that made a difference in reading ritoky. And that happened when in the posts previous to those posts, he wasn't pushing for an Onegu lynch, he was pushing for hopeless and yamato. If you go back a little more you find what he was actually saying about 1gu: + Show Spoiler +id get behind an onegu lynch to spare slam and rayn, also in these posts he calls hopeless and ritoky scum for super vauge reasons. Found this kinda townie when I saw it? more to do with my fantasy mafia team than anything else but the reads were so weak they might not actually count against it. Oh and the nice post above says this: + Show Spoiler +I have considered onegu scummy all game based off his lacklustre play. Never once have I town read him
grats, your cherry picked the one super fucking flip floppy qoute out of a dozen
onegu- "So I am debating on if I want to try this game or just troll..." as a player who has been absolutely shit and lazy as both mafia and town I'm well aware of the terrible impact such a player can have on a game. If they are not lynched quickly they become a huge distraction that cant particularly be read into cause they're shit and lazy. Mafia players can and have used the whole "hes so bad, there's no way hes mafia" meta plenty so if Onegu insists on being scummy then we should oblige him provided there isn't a better alternative.
Onegu: Kill with acidic detergent
Until someone can magically explain why Onegu and Hopeless deserve the benefit of the doubt, my vote will probally fall on them.
Basically the people I would want to see lynched
Onegu-hopeless (both are interchangeably useless to me)
but yeah I think your just butthurt town, which is why I am voting for Onegu : P
Can we just collectively agree to pussy out as town and vote for the most objectively useless player?
Onegu, 2015
I think Yamato Ritoky plus maybe onegu/hopeless are scum.
and I think the lynch onto you and slam is retarded and it seems like a super dumb lynch ethier way.
at least we now know you have the ability to hit control f, wonder where that was all game when we were trying to find actual scum -_-
Also the one qoute you did show STILL HAS ME WANTING TO LYNCH ONEGU If I am intending to lynch my buddy anyways, why I am I flip flopping instead of milking him for absolute godamm cred? Maybe its because I'm a townie whose trying to reavaluate his reads as he goes to ensure the best chance at catching scum? Nah, that would be crazy.
Also your argument that I knew onegus alignment and thats why I town read ritoky is literally retarded ill rehash it here in all its n1 glory
Ritoky's switch onto Onegu last second makes very little sense as scum, if Onegu is town and gets bussed last sec, Ritoky looks terrible. If Onegue is scum, he just helped kill his teamate 0_0 seems like a dumb and unnecessary risk when town is already fixated on slam.
It's possible Ritoky was super confident Bh's lynch wouldn't go through, but then why bother at all? Just to distance himself from the slam lynch? Could backfire huge if Onegu actually did get lynched (would look like a last second buss off of Ritoky's buddy slam)
It doesnt fucking matter what onegus alignment is, IT STILL LOOKS BAD ON RITOKY OR IS BAD FOR RITOKY. There is no pre flip asociation going on here, the only motive to vote onegu in such a dodgy situation is to lynch scum!
tldr ritoky put lynching the guy he thought was most likely scum over his own reputation therefore he is fucking town. How is that so hard to wrap your tiny brain around?
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On October 31 2015 00:33 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 23:34 Xatalos wrote:Tbh this is a pretty good point for gumshoe being town  Onegu Profile Blog PM Joined May 2010 United States6753 Posts October 23 2015 19:40 EET #1092 On October 24 2015 01:55 gumshoe wrote: Can we just collectively agree to pussy out as town and vote for the most objectively useless player? Onegu, 2015 Nope sorry my friend better luck next time!!!! This actually reinforces what I've brought.
Gb, you are agreeing with the guy you have pushed as scum since day motherfucking 1, to kill the dude who is directly responsible for saving you FOR TWO DAYS STRAIGHT.
go read my pitiful scum games if your not sure, I dont play like this as scum, meta says I'm town, My actions pretty much say I'm town, my sheer activity say I'm town, other townies say I'm town,
the only ones saying I'm scum are you, and your fucking scum read
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On October 31 2015 00:34 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2015 00:33 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 23:34 Xatalos wrote:Tbh this is a pretty good point for gumshoe being town Onegu Profile Blog PM Joined May 2010 United States6753 Posts October 23 2015 19:40 EET #1092 On October 24 2015 01:55 gumshoe wrote: Can we just collectively agree to pussy out as town and vote for the most objectively useless player? Onegu, 2015 Nope sorry my friend better luck next time!!!! This actually reinforces what I've brought. If you're town, have this exact post in mind than go reading my "please read" post. And now I'm gonna peace out before I start offending people.
Your stupidity is a constant offense that pervades the thread every second of every night and every day. May as well go full dumbass as your a perpetual cancer upon this town as things stand.
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So, lets be clear, I am not likely getting shot tonight, ethier vivax or gb is scum, and theres pretty much no way they kill the guy theyre dumping all this effort into lynching.
so for better or worse, I'm likely here to stay T_T
Which means I dont really have to worry about lylo as me and a town read of mine (who isnt gb) will probally just vote gb/vivax to end the game.
so we can just take this a step at a time.
TOMMOROW NO MATTER WHAT, WE LYNCH HOPELESS. The dude is 100 percent scum and we gotta be done with him.
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On October 31 2015 00:58 Vivax wrote:
GB is hilarious atm.
Why so mad gumshoe?
Cause I hate it when I get it mislynched because townies dont understand the way I think and cant actually think themselves T_T My ratio of getting mislynched day 1 or 2 to total games played is pretty up there, so this is triggering some pretty heavy nam flashbacks
That and I detest retarded logic, especially when its directed at me.
Oh and yeah, what do you think of chrom? Stop dodging me dodgevax : P
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